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Liberals Love the Hoodie

Liberals Love the Hoodie, by Kevin Jackson

I knew it wouldn’t take Obama long to see how to make the shooting of Trayvon Martin in FL a political talking point. “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.” Is that supposed to make the death of Trayvon much more tragic?

Forget that the killing of a teenager in FL by a neighborhood watch buffoon is a tragedy, one of the many routine tragedies that shouldn’t occur in America. No, Trayvon’s death is a crisis of political proportions.

The media started the feeding frenzy, alerting Obama that the situation could be “racial,” reporting the story as: White Man Shoots Black Teen.

As it turns out the “white” man who shot the kid was actually half-white and half-Hispanic man. Funny how the media considers a half-white half-Hispanic man white, but a half-white half-black president black. Since Hispanics are technically “Caucasians,” it’s only a slight stretch. Journalistic integrity intact.

The incident was much worse however, because the teen was wearing a hoodie, making this for the Left a clear case of racial profiling.

Hoodie or no hoodie, the kid should not have been shot by Zimmerman, as neighborhood watch is not neighborhood shoot.  Zimmerman took his role way too seriously, and a tragedy resulted. But is it a national tragedy?

As for Zimmerman confronting the kid however, that is another story.

An [insert ethnicity here] teenager wearing a hoodie in Florida—where it’s HOT—is reason for a neighborhood watchman to “observe and report.”  There were two clues: (1) A teenager was walking, and (2) wearing hoodie. Let’s face it; the hoodie is the uniform of the thug, though it didn’t start out that way.

The inventor of the hoodie did so with the idea that when people wear sweat gear, their heads and ears get cold at times, depending on the clime. Being the industrious type that they are, criminals “criminalized” the hoodie, and made it part of their stable of uniforms, much like criminals co-opted Zorro’s mask, doctors’ spit guard, and women’s stockings.

So for Zimmerman to take notice of a teenager wearing a hoodie as part of what he believed to be his responsibilities for neighborhood watch was the right move. He went too far in what happened next however, and for that he should be arrested, tried, and given his penalty. That should be the end of it, except that Obama needs an election issue.

Obama has already hinted at the racial implications of this incident. Obama will prove that despite America having a black president, America is still “profiling.” The New Black Panther Party has issued a fatwa on George Zimmerman, offering $10,000 for his “capture.”

Is a black teenage walking in a hoodie suspicious? I’d like VP Joe Biden’s opinion to check with all the Indians working as cashiers at 7-Elevens or Dunkin Donuts. I suspect that no matter the nationality of a cashier, they have a far different view of people wearing hoodies than the Left is trying to portray.

Leftist blacks ask if white people can be profiled. Sure they can and I have a few profiles for them.

White people driving their cars in “black neighborhoods” are Crackers criminals buying crack, or some other drug of choice.

Here’s another profile.  Scantily clad white women standing on street corners in black neighborhoods are Cracker criminals committing prostitution, likely to feed their drug habits…oh, and their black pimps.

Make no mistake about it; I’m mad at the killing of the teen in Florida who happens to be black. I’m mad for his death, and I pray for his family. But I’m also mad because black teens are criminal standouts for the reasons most people are too afraid to say—black teens commit lots of crime, disproportionately to their other ethnic peers. And those wearing hoodies are exponentially more likely to commit crimes.

This is why the Liberals will make hay with situation, even though in this particular case, the kid’s ethnicity likely had little, if anything to do with his death. If Trayvon Martin had been wearing Tommy Hilfiger, things could have been different. God-forbid it’s the hoodie that causes people to take pause, and not the color of one’s skin.

Don’t expect the Left to impugn the hoodie; the hoodie is the uniform of the criminal.  The Left protects such symbols, because the Left must protect those who wish to do us harm to prove their tolerance. Why not make the hoodie our new flag, at least that way the Left won’t desecrate it?

But the Left won’t stop there, because we also need gun control. No gun, no incident. Stupid GUN!

Finally, all the neighborhood watch personnel should go through race and hoodie sensitivity training. This training must be performed by a Liberal lobbyist’s company and paid for by the taxpayers in order to be valid. Such are the consequences by the Left, when an overzealous neighborhood watchman makes one tragic mistake.

That’s my rant!

© Kevin Jackson – The Black Sphere, LLC – All Rights Reserved

 
 
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  • Peggy

    You are one brave black guy! Thank you!

    • theblacksphere

      Yes I am!

  • https://www.facebook.com/moliver61 Mark Oliver

    Right on, Kevin. I think there is a possibility that both parties in this horrible tragedy just made unwise decisions and met up at the same at the same time in a perfect storm. Why was Trayvon walking through a gated community in which he didn't live? And to your point, why was he wearing a hoodie in warm, muggy Florida? Why did Zimmerman decide to track Trayvon instead of leave him to the authorities to deal with? He may have been watch captain, but he was not certified law enforcement. Was Trayvon less of a threat in his mind because he was a youth and maybe smaller in stature than Zimmerman? Was Zimmerman merely an over-reactive, over-zealous cop wannabe that had had enough of suspicious activity in his neighborhood that he just took it upon himself to courageously (in his mind, anyway) step-up and catch a "might-be" perpetrator who had committed no crime?

    I am saddened by Trayvon Martin's death. But I am also saddened that special interests once again influenced the masses to act in a mob-like manner to sway public opinion and pressure a rush to judgment in a case that should be left to local law enforcement. Zimmerman has been declared guilty before a proper trial. Maybe he SHOULD be in jail, awaiting trial. I don't know whether that is the case. But then, neither does Al Sharpton and the other fulminating crowds that he and various liberal activists have used in a racist and political game.

    • Stacey

      Trayvon was visiting family who LIVED in the gated community and went to the corner store to pick up candy and a drink for his younger brother or sister (I forget which). He had a total right to be there and this moron overstepped his authority exactly as Kevin stated. Way to go Kevin – another excellent post!

    • auntiemadder

      If I could give your comment a hundred thumbs up, I would.

  • theblacksphere

    As it turns out, Trayvon was 6'2" and supposedly was giving Zimmerman a beating. Admittedly, if a guy was following me in a car, then got out, I might want to put a beatdown on him too. Zimmerman is guilty, no matter the circumstances, since he had called the cops. Duty done. But it's not as clear cut what Trayvon had done, yet Obama, et al are ready to make a racial incident and political hay from it.

    • Stacey

      They are also taking aim at the Stand Your Ground act, signed by Jeb Bush, and cited by the cops for why they didn't originally arrest Zimmerman. However, IMHO – what happened here was NOT what the Stand Your Ground Act was about. Zimmerman was in absolutely no danger until he took it upon himself to follow Trayvon, and he did so right after he was told NOT to by police dispatch. Standing your ground implies staying in one place – Zimmerman FOLLOWED Trayvon and provoked what subsequently happen. That was NOT permitted under the law; however,of course the liberals want that to go too…

      • auntiemadder

        Using it to do away with the Stand Your Ground act may very well be why the left is making a big deal of this a month after the shooting. Where the hell were they last month?

    • joeclyde

      What does his height have to do with anything? He was minding his business. Being Black in the wrong neighborhood. Some over zealous cop assaulting reject. Who also called him a coon attacked him. Then shot him and got away with it. If Obama said nothing. You would be here calling him a coward. Let it go.

      • ant

        First of all, he didn't call him a coon, that was more media malpractice. Secondly, Trayvon was visiting his father, who is also black, in the neighborhood. So why is it the wrong neighborhood? Obviously if Trayvon's father lives there, than blacks live there. So much for your 'white community aghast at sight of black teen' attempt.

  • Linda

    As it often happens when "the rest of the story" comes out, the media has gotten this all wrong. Trayvon Martin was indeed the attacker and attacked Mr. Zimmerman. Martin had Zimmerman down on the ground beating him when he was shot. The reason Mr. Zimmerman was not arrested is because there was an eye-witness who backed up Mr. Zimmerman's description of the incident. Mr. Zimmerman had dirt and grass on the back of his clothes and his face had several cuts and bruises on his face. The eye-witness (who does not want to be identified because of fear) thought Mr. Zimmerman was dead.

    People should wait for the "rest of the story" before jumping to conclusions as to who the REAL perpetrator was in this incident. It wasn't Mr. Zimmerman….he WAS walking away after being advised to by 911 dispatch. Mr. Zimmerman is innocent of all wrong doing.

    It does not matter the color of a person's skin when it comes to perpetrators and victims….what matters is that it happened at all. Today's youth (of every skin pigmentation) are out of control and are just looking for reasons to cause problems.

    • Stacey

      I hadn't heard that Zimmerman stopped following when instructed to do so – I heard that he continued following IN SPITE of being instructed to do so. That's a critical piece and I'd love to get confirmation one way or the other….

      • a12iggymom

        listen to the 911 dispatch, Zimmerman went back to his car when instructed to do so by the wind noise from the call… http://mp3.911dispatch.com.s3.amazonaws.com/sanfo

        • auntiemadder

          Wow. That was intense. The schoolteacher had me in tears.

          That aside, it's plain that Zimmerman didn't remain in his truck. Also, early in the audio clip, when the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if the police could meet him at the mailboxes, Zimmerman agrees but then changes his mind and requests that the officers call him when they arrive and he'd tell them where he was at. He had no plans to stay put and wait for the police. All indications are that he was looking for trouble that night and he found it.

          I guess he'd forgotten what all of our mothers warned us: Be careful what you wish for…

    • joeclyde

      He was told to stay in the car. He called him a coon Linda. He attacked him. These are the facts. He should have gotten his butt kicked.

      If a stranger stalked you in a car. Jumped out and attacked you. You wouldn't defend yourself? People are delusional.

    • brianfulthorp

      this video shows he had not cuts or bruises: http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-video-shows-

      • Yngblkcons

        Interesting.

        Also, Zimmerman's father recently offered up Zimmerman's newly revised account of what happened. Its kind of incredible in its ridiculousness. For me the highlight was the claim that while pummelling Zimmerman (after Zimmerman reached into his pocket) Martin saw the gun, then vowed to kill Zimmerman, continuing to pummel him with his fists, ignoring the gun until Zimmerman pulled it out and killed him,.

        Why, its almost like Martin want to make sure Zimmerman's killing of him was a textbook case of self-defense. I'm sure the only thing that keeps Zimmerman from claiming that Martin went for his gun (which would be more believable than him resolutely ignoring it) is the lack of Martin's fingerprints.

        • Yngblkcons

          ——-
          "After nearly a minute of being beaten, George was trying to get his head off the concrete, trying to move with Trayvon on him, in the grass. In doing so, his firearm was shown. Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of, 'You're going to die now,' or 'You're going to die tonight' or something to that effect," Robert Zimmerman said.

          Robert Zimmerman said Martin continued to beat his son, and George Zimmerman at some point pulled out his gun and "did what he did."

          Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/george-zimme
          —–

          • docjohndenver

            Yngblkcons,

            Agreed. I am always suspicious of explanation stories that come out weeks later. They simply have to be affected by which side you are on as far as how you tell the story. Excellent points, sir. This is why these laws can be double-edged swords. When it becomes a war of words and one of the combatants is dead, who do you think usually wins? And before I get destroyed, I own guns, I carry a gun, and for the most part I like make my day laws. But there are inherent dangers to extending them beyond your own property.

          • ant

            Part of the problem with this story, Doc, is that the media can't be trusted to deliver facts anymore. They are eager for division , resentment, and violence. I don't know why..but they are. Here's a perfect example of the despicable media in action courtesy of MSNBC;

            MSNBC rolls tape of Zimmerman's 9-1-1 call – " He looks like he's up to no good….he looks black."

            gACTUAL 911 call – "He looks like he's up to no good, like he's on drugs or something, it's raining out here and he's going through yards, looking around."

            911 dispatch- "Can you see him, is he white, hispanic, or black."

            Zimmerman- "He looks black."

            See how conveniently you can stir up anger with a little creative editing? Journalism? No such thing anymore..

          • docjohndenver

            ant, are you serious? Is that really how they edited the call? If so, I mean that is criminally deceptive. This is why I mostly get my news from sources that I trust in print and on the internet. Does anyone other than the mothers of the anchors watch MSNBC anymore? I think the the "eye on Lake Dillon" channel gets better ratings in Denver than MSNBC.

    • pat

      And so, now what is to be done when the New Black Panthers have a price on Zimmerman for capture…………………are we going back to mob justice where the mob decides someone is guilty and they hang them as the KKK used to do. Where were these people last year when 40 or so black teens were shot and killed in Chicago? Oh, that's right most of them were shot by other black teens, so there was no political hay there.

      Thank you Kevin for the very common sense commentary!

  • Lin

    Well said. When I was growing up, we had to come in wheb th street lights came on. What ever happened to that?

  • Guy Spann

    The most important point that I have learned in reference to the Trayvon Martin incident is, if I have the misfortune to be murdered and my family and friends want justice, it is best that my assailant be white. The majority of white Americans would not care, as long as the murder didn't take place in their neighborhood. The majority of black Americans would not care, unless the murderer is white.

    • theblacksphere

      Yes, it's hell on white men these days!

    • docjohndenver

      I personally would like to be murdered by a half white/half Hispanic guy dressed up in blackface. I just think it would be interesting to watch from the afterlife to see what the Left would do with that situation. It may really confuse them.

  • laurabarnes

    tragically, every day kids get knifed, shot, beaten to death in violent acts….no one seems to pay much attention to it…but this time Al Sharpton and Obama inserted themselves to get attention and rile up public outrage, once again race baiting, in order to push their agendas…gun control for Obama, and money for Sharpton

    • ant

      Yeah, notice any outrage over the millions of aborted minorities from these so-called 'Reverends'? Jesus warned us of false prophets.

  • docjohndenver

    Kevin, agree with pretty much everything you said here. Teenagers that come into my office with their hoods up tend to make everyone a little nervous, whether they are white or black. It essentially hides a significant amount of your face and makes people wonder what you are up to. And of course it is connected to the whole thug culture, much like Raiders gear was a decade or so ago. This guy Zimmerman sounds like a paranoid bad guy, but it is interesting to hear the other comments here about how there may be more to the story. Knowing the PC, self-preservation tendencies that the average DA in this country has, if there is ANY real evidence against this guy they will indict so we should probably just wait for the justice system to play itself out. But for all of this to become another "crisis" that the government needs to swoop in and fix is absurd.

    • theblacksphere

      The hoodie is the thug uniform. I started wearing a knitted cap when I run in the cold, because I KNOW the hoodie is not good.

      • dougmclaughlin

        Not only is it the thug uniform, Kevin. The New England Patriots coach always wears one. And I think we are all sick of seeing Pretty Boy Tom Brady and the Patriettes dominate the AFC. BTW, that reminds me: THE BRONCOS GOT PEYTON MANNING! YESSSS!

      • sacksuck

        you is such a good niggro, Kevin

      • sacksuck

        you prolly went commando in da jailhouse so the skinheads could get at that ass quicker

        so much for keeping me out, tea beeyotch!!!!!!!

      • sacksuck

        doc, you and I both wore hoodies when we were kids. what else should we quit wearing so as to not get shot by any moron with a lizard brain like yours, kev's and zimm's??

        • docjohndenver

          Have you read ANYTHING I have written here? Of course zimmerman was in the wrong. Of course hoodies are okay. My point here had nothing to do with Trayvon, who I think is the victim. My point is that when someone walks into my office and has his or her hood pulled down over his or her face it makes people nervous. Whether you want to admit it or not it has become part of the thug culture. However, I do not think that was why Trayvon wore it. But, serious, you are just another foul mouthed leftist racist who has no interest in thoughtful debate. Read a few of my posts, take a chill pill, and think for once in your life, sir. I feel sorry for you.

    • Yngblkcons

      The Sanford police have a record of burying cases. When a police lieutenant's son beat up a homeless black guy on video, the police declined to make an arrest/file charges until the video went viral. And I don't doubt there is other stuff that happened that never got coverage because it was the victim's word against friends/family of the cops.

      The first guy on the scene of the Martin shooting was also involved in the prior cover-up. When the police told Martin's parents play cop wasn't going to be charged, they claimed A) the shooting was legit under 'Stand your ground' (a dubious reading of the law) and B) that Zimmerman's record was spotless (an arrest for resisting arrest and assaulting an office is what most of us would consider a 'spot').

      If you think the shooting and handling of the case prior to public exposure don't stink to high heaven, we just have to agree to disagree.

      • BruceinMN

        I agree that the investigation was botched and I'm a conceal and carry permit holder. Zimmerman should have, at a minimum, tested for impairment. I have also been a neighborhood watch leader in three different communities, in three different states. I always instructed my team members to, when observing suspicious activity, to get as good a description of the person, car and license number, etc. without endangering themselves, then call 9-1-1 and relay that information, first, then activate the phone tree.

  • moytovarich

    The left wants to make this tragic incident about gun control and the Stand your ground law in Florida. It looks to me as though Zimmerman broke the law. The state doesn't change the speed limit on the interstate highway system to 50 MPH from 70 MPH because somebody drove 100 MPH in a 70mph zone. You break the law you pay the price, you don't eliminate or reduce the effectiveness of the law.

    • docjohndenver

      Man, that is well said, moytovarich. It takes a special ability to communicate a point using an analogy (or is it metaphor) like that. As a gun owner and hunter I have no doubt that the Left will continue to use these rare weird violent crimes to take our Second Amendment rights away eventually. Good thing I am getting into bowhunting the last few years.

  • http://www.worldwide-evolution.com Tim Cates

    IS it possible to have articulated this tragic event more clearly…not likely. This level of honesty coming from an African American is astounding. Were Obama anything like Kevin this country would be making rapid change for the better with re election a certainty. How unfortunate that black leadership cannot grasp the simple truth and logic presented here that most of us already understand.
    Keep at it Kevin…your one in a million.
    My recent post Weather Warfare – World Power Evolution

    • BruceinMN

      There are more like him out there, Tim. Kevin is just one of the people leading the charge. In case you aren't familiar with these black patriots, you may want to check them out. Dr. Thomas Sowell, Ken Blackwell, Charles Payne, Star Parker and Larry Elder who are all excellent writers.

    • theblacksphere

      I'm from America, Tim, and thus American! Most blacks know right from wrong, and just need a reminder of their religious and moral roots!

  • NSangoma

    ~
    Damn, and all this time I thought that the hooded sweatshirt or hoody or hoodie was the uniform of the athlete.

    Thanks for the edumacation Kevin Jackson, the next time I see a boxer doing roadwork in a hooded sweatshirt, I will know that that boxer is a liberal.

    FCUK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    `

    • docjohndenver

      NCarcinoma,

      Welcome back. Must be out of prison again, huh? Those plea bargains are great, aren't they? Just like red and blue became the zoot suit of the bloods and crips, then came the Raiders gear, now comes hoodies. Of course, people are not as suspicious if they are at a track meet and see guys warming up in hoodies as they are when one is walking through their neighborhood with their facial features completely obscured by one. I happen to think this Zimmerman guy is probably a nut, but the scary teens that come in my office virtually all have their hoodies up and they make EVERYBODY nervous, not just us dumb paranoid white folks. This is a tragedy. It just shouldn't become a political football, but the Left has predictably made it one. Frankly, the left is just as predictable as the fact that you can never get through an entire screed without a cuss word. Pathetic. Oh, and look up the meaning of the word "context". If a person is at a sporting event or a medieval monastery hoodies do not tend to inspire as much concern. Idiotic analogy, but then as I said, predictable.

      • NSangoma

        ~
        Well damn!!, docjohndenver. Zimmerman must be a liberal, too:

        No mention from Geraldo about the fact that Zimmerman was also wearing a hoodie?
        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/23/1077094/

        I hope for your sake Kevin Johnson, that this is not true; that it is just another liberal lie.
        `

        • docjohndenver

          Well that was a completely incomprehensible addition, but I have said multiple times that Zimmerman is a nut and probably a bad guy. It is interesting, though, that you do not think hoodies have become the thugwear of today, because everybody else reading this knows they are. It has no relevance to this case, however. If Zimmerman was in the wrong (and he probably was at least to some degree) the DA will indict him.

    • theblacksphere

      Try reading for comprehension. I said that criminals "criminalized" the hoodie, Fool! LOL. I hate schooling LibTURDs on the first day out of the po-po!

  • NSangoma

    ~
    Who initially placed a negative spin on the hoodie, the Klan or the Gansta-Rapper?:

    In wake of killing, hoodie becomes Rorschach test of racial perceptions

    Out of tragedy, the utilitarian hooded sweatshirt, which first gained popularity in the 1930s as a practical pullover for workingmen, has emerged as a Rorschach test of racial perceptions.

    Hoods were worn by monks and scholars in the Middle Ages. The Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York has a child’s hooded tunic that dates back to the seventh century.

    The hooded sweatshirt was commercialized in the 1930s by Champion, the American sportswear company, to protect workingmen from the elements. And Daniel James Cole, professor of fashion history at the Fashion Institute of Technology, says that later in that decade, American high fashion adopted the hood: “The American designer Claire McCardell popularized it for women in the early 1940s. One really popular coat style was an A-line swing coat with the hood on it, and there were hooded playsuits and even hooded wedding dresses.”

    A hooded jacket by Altuzarra will cost you $2,495.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/tra
    http://www.shopstyle.com/browse/hoodies/Altuzarra
    http://img2.wpdigital.net/rf/image_296w/2010-2019http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-
    `

  • Eric

    Kevin, are you aware that Zimmerman was also wearing a hoodie that night?

    • Yngblkcons

      Yeah, I don't see why some people are jumping aboard the Geraldo bandwagon. Hooded sweatshirts are something guys especially tend to wear because we don't have purses to cram umbrellas or hats into.

      If a guy walks into a bank with his hood up, there's a problem, if a guy walks outside in the rain with his hood up, that's just common sense.

      • docjohndenver

        Great point. I think Zimmerman was probably a nut. The hoodie HAS very much become the suit of the thug, at least around here. But it is different when someone comes in my office and has his hood up and his face down. It makes everyone around him VERY nervous, and I think is meant to in most cases. Wearing a hood in the rain is just normal behavior. But to act like hoodies have not become the suit of the whole gangsta scene is ridiculous. They ALL wear it. It just happens to probably be irrelevant to this case. This case has become some sort of fulcrum of the anti-gun crowd when it is a tragic, bizarre case with little relevance to anything.

  • Yngblkcons

    Kevin said:

    Funny how the media considers a half-white half-Hispanic man white, but a half-white half-black president black. Since Hispanics are technically “Caucasians,” it’s only a slight stretch. Journalistic integrity intact.
    —-
    The media can't take the blame for that one. The police report identified the play cop as white. 'Hispanic' isn't a designation tied to a single phenotype, My Honduras born Garifuna wife is ethnically African and when I was stationed in Guatemala and Colombia I met many hispanics (often of German descent) with white skin, blue eyes and blonde hair (also, turning on Spanish language tv will allow one to see many such people).

    • NSangoma

      ~

      Oliver, who is black, said Zimmerman, whose mother is Peruvian, is not racist. He said those who believe they can hear Zimmerman mutter “f—-g coons” in a tape of his 911 call are mistaken.
      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pastors-

      No indication if she is a full-blooded Peruvian AmerIndian;
      or a Peruvian AmerIndian-AfricanPeruvian-Spanish mix.
      `

      • Lou

        Could coons be goons?

        • theblacksphere

          I lived in the country, and raccoons constantly raided our garbage. Damn COONS! Memo to black people: We are not coons or raccoons!

      • theblacksphere

        I'd like to know more about Oliver too. Rumor is he is only 57% black. And of Zimmerman's mother, how much Peruvian is she. We need ALL the facts people!!

    • djs

      Yngblkfool. Where you gonna run when its time for the blood feeding frenzy. Your great great grandparents are rolling over in their graves. You've lost all your dignity. You're the genetically weak part of the African soul manifesting itself as a Lap Dog (aka House Negro). Being a lap dog didn't work in the 1800's and it won't work today either. They will use you and discard you like a tampon when you've worn out your welcome.

      • Yngblkcons

        Its truly sad that you are unable to discuss this tragedy rationally and instead spew childish (but racist) insults and bizarre conspiracy theories.

        I hope you get some help.

  • http://www.facebook.com/falconephil Phil Falcone

    Sorry to disagree; but I would like one thing cleared up, minus all the "opinions" of people who weren't there. What EXACTLY made Martin get up in Zimmerman's face, beat him even after he was on the ground? Did the gun come out BEFORE or AFTER Zimmerman was at a physical disadvantage and his life hanging in the balance? None of you know, you are all ONCE AGAIN assuming what the media told you was true. THEY HAVE NO CLUE,,, but they do have an agenda. And boy oh boy, were they ever successful at playing the race card and the "guns kill people" ploy. I carry a weapon and I'm not in any neighborhood patrol. It's called "Personal Defense". I mind my own business and the weapon stays holstered. You invade my space with intent to do harm (and beat on me BEFORE I draw my weapon)? Game on! My bullets don't discriminate, they stop people of all colors.

    • Yngblkcons

      So you're a fan of self defense. So was Trayvon Martin, though unlike you he didn't carry gun. If a random nutjob followed you in his car, then when you tried to lose him by walking away from the road quickly, got out of his car and ran after you, would you deck him or just raise your hands and ask him to please be gentle?

      If you were unarmed and you did deck him would you just naively hope that a single knockdown would end the possibly armed thug's bad intentions ('I touched the ground, mugging over. We'll just go our separate ways. Enjoy your skittles!) or would you stay on the offensive in order to keep him down and yourself alive?

      Martin's mistake was going too easy on the nutjob.

      • docjohndenver

        Yngblkcons, are you under the impression that Kevin said Trayvon was at fault? I didn't get that impression at all. No doubt Zimmerman was weird. I think some of us just want all the facts before passing final judgment. Anybody that follows people around in their cars because they look "suspicious" is bizarre.

        • Yngblkcons

          No, I'm not. I agree with almost everything Kevin Johnson stated about the case. Racially profiling someone isn't inherently bad (sometimes it just common sense) and if Zimmerman had just called the cops like a sane person, they would have talked with Martin, he'd still be alive, and there'd be no problem. But instead (as Kevin stated) Zimmerman decided to play cop, and that's what got Martin killed.

          • docjohndenver

            Agreed. I think most of the comments here are basically similar. It is weird to follow someone around your neighborhood just because you don't like their hoodie or whatever, it is insane to cause a confrontation and beyond insane to do it if you are packing a gun. On the other hand, we are supposed to wait for all of the facts. I hate to admit it (because I got a concealed carry permit a few years ago when one of my colleagues was stabbed by a patient), but neighborhood watch groups have always made me a little nervous. My wife and I went to a meeting once in our first neighborhood and all the people there seemed a little over the top to me. But before I get shredded: I AM aware that there are good, safe, smart groups out there, too.

          • Stan

            Why do you keep saying Johnson? Are you calling Kevin a dick?

  • Dwight Mann

    THE REAL ISSUE is, if Kevin was walking through a neighborhood and the resident watcher shot him to death, I'm sure all on this blog would want a THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. We would all be quite perturb if the GOVERNMENT just took the word of the shooter and anonymous witness, closed the case, and didn't bother to have any urgency to figure out who Kevin was.

    • Meshuggahboy

      Actually, if Kevin turned around and started fighting with the other guy, I'd wonder how he could've been so stupid.

      • docjohndenver

        Hi Mesh. Hope you are doing well.

        • Meshuggahboy

          Hi Doc, welcome back.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            Dwight, Do you believe NO investigation is occurring? Do you think because he wasn't sitting in a jail cell he's free to do whatever he wants? He's basically tethered to a house until this blows over. Meaning he's in prison before he's been tried. Isn't that something we don't want?
            Zimmerman was taken to the police station in handcuffs. Is that not arrested? He was placed in a room and questioned by 2 to 3 detectives im sure it was recorded. He was then allowed to go home with instructions not to leave the area/state.. He is not a free man by any stretch.

            IF this had happened between two gang members we wouldn't be discussing it at all. No matter what set they were from or what color they were. It would be a non issue. The only reason this is even an issue now is because Zimmerman chose to act instead of turn a blind eye.

            I'd ask you to think: Say you were living in that area and this guy was walking around your home. You didn't recognize him nor have you ever seen him before. Your area had been robbed recently and neighbors were on edge. Would you have called? Would you have followed the guy to make sure your neighbors were safe too? Would you not have done what Zimmerman said he did? I would have. Now if Zimmerman is LYING then that's different.

          • djs

            What did Zimmerman act on? Was there a crime being committed. He referred to the young man as a Coon. I know forget all of that Zimmerman was standing his ground. You cave dwellers will never get it. I'm sure there was a white boy somewhere in town he could've bothered. Yet he chose to go after an unarmed young black male. I guarantee you if that young black male was 6'4' and weighed 280 pounds his punk behind would've remained in whatever bat mobile he was in. Cowards like Zimmerman are always looking for easy prey. I'm sure he could've found some drug dealing section of town to approach a group of young black males if he desired.

          • Robert

            Now there is evidence that he didn't say "Coon" he said "Cold"…. Very possible since it was raining and cold that night. But what we WANT to hear is a racial slur right? There's some truth in this story somewhere and perhaps it's a combination of all small part of all things that make up the the truth. To point to one little part and say OH YEAH THAT'S IT!! is making folks look foolish.

            There may be something to the "Wannabee" cop thing. There's possible something to the overly agressive watch dude. Could be… But normal people if asked "What are you doing here" might answer "I'm going home with my skittles and tea" and then the zimmerman guy may have said okay I called the cops how about waiting here till they get here…. Trayvon who was not a choir boy may have felt dis'd and went to swinging… Very possible and if so gives Zimmerman the right of way. It could have also happened where Zimmerman pinned him against the wall and got more than he could handle from Trayvon… Which is more believable to you?

          • ant

            Robert, don't confuse liberals with facts, their hate holds a warm place in their hearts. Turns out, not to long ago that 'nigra-hatin' Zimmerman was the lone activist and organizer to try to get justice for a black man beaten up by the son of a policeman. Another liberal narrative smashed to pieces.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            Yep Ant, I referenced that part of the story to djs earlier. But that can't be according to liberal mindset and race baiters. What bothers me ant is this: Why didn't the media do its job and find these things out? Why is it the new media that must do it? The folks like djs only get their news from the alphabet networks or huffpo. Those very same white guilt ridden pasty white devils who he hates… Funny stuff right there.
            My recent post Egypt sends Rocket to Israel.

          • djs

            Two racist peas in a pod. How wonderful. You and docjdenver had any lynching parties lately.

        • djs

          Seems like you and MeSoHorny are quite chummy. Sorry for the time delay. I'm like Jesse Jackson, I'm everywhere

    • auntiemadder

      Who told you that no one here wants a THOROUGH INVESTIGATION? I'm sure most, if not all, agree that there should be a THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. Neither Barky nor Al Sharpton, however, should be on the investigation team, nor should the general public, led by the mainstream media.

      • auntiemadder

        Nevermind my comment here. I didn't know until a few minutes ago that this shit happened a month ago. Based on the non-stop coverage of it over the last few days, I thought it happened last week.

        So, you're right, Dwight: a thorough investigation is needed. But I'm also right in that Barky and Al Sharpton should not be on the investigation team. ;)

    • ant

      I did not know that GOVERNMENT was now entrusted to investigate local law enforcement matters. Wow, learn something new everyday. Is there anything our wonderful, spectacular government can't do?

  • MG6

    Kevin, sorry to be off topic. BUT! What is your take on this…
    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/congress-members-

  • MG6
  • Guest woman

    Unless and until they come out with all the facts…… We'll never know, but aside from that… the point Kevin is making is Obama's use of the situation. He very definitely picks and chooses these "Personal stories" that he wants to comment on.

    • auntiemadder

      I miss the good ol' days when presidents of the US spoke on national issues and left local situations to the locals.

    • theblacksphere

      Guest woman, you are very sage! I'm glad you're here!

    • docjohndenver

      Guest woman, thanks for redirecting us to the actual point of the article. I tend to miss the forest for the trees quite often. Obama is concerned about a woman who claims she spends THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS a year on birth control and calls her personally, but does not care that his staff and wife agree to be interviewed by the likes of Maher and Letterman. The POTUS should not insert himself willy nilly into local issues. He often acts smaller than the office.

    • joeclyde

      If 1 million of your citizens signs a petition and are picketing in FL. If you don't comment. Then you are asleep at the wheel.

      The lack of comments from Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum is more telling.

      • docjohndenver

        joe, I basically agree with most of what you have said about the incident itself, but you are wrong about the politicians getting involved. We have a justice system for a reason. The executive branch should not be inserting itself into the judicial branch's responsibilities. Last time the president did that he ended up having a beer summit after looking foolish for jumping to conclusions and playing the race card early. I think Zimmerman was a nut and crossed the line. If you and I are right about this fact, then the DA will indict him and he will be convicted. However, the president making comments does nothing but give Zimmerman's defense lawyer all kinds of arguments against his ability to get a fair trial. Mark my words, if Zimmerman ends up at a trial down the road, the fact that the president has spoken up will be brought up at the time of jury selection, again during the trial and certainly at any change of venue hearing. None of us were there, including the president. What we think is merely conjecture even though we feel it is based on knowledge of some of the facts we have read or seen on TV.

      • ant

        Actually, wouldn't it be more prescient and reasonable and appropriate for a government official or President to express some sense of outrage when a fellow American, of any color, is raped or killed by illegal foreign trespassers? Why is that never a National tragedy? It's certainly preventable and many times is a matter of racism and anti-American jingoism on the part of Reconquistas…yet,…. silence from Washington..why is that?

        • docjohndenver

          ant, I missed your brilliance there for a few months.

          • ant

            Glad you're better, Doc, and glad you're back. (I wouldn't want you missing out on my wit for too long-LOL.)

  • Guest woman

    I do not remember Obama commenting on the famous mother kills child story…

  • Guest woman

    In fact!!! in the last three months or so, in our local newspapers……… I have counted 5 young black men being arrested and convicted of HARMING their own children. 2 yrs old, 1 month old, 3 months old, 5 yr old and another. It was reported in all the newspapers, but alas… no Presidential comments… No Al Sharpton marches. So, what is the deal? It's ok for a young black man to kill his own child – willfully and with no other recourse except that kid was crying?

    • Yngblkcons

      The system worked in the cases you mentioned (people who did horrible things were arrested and convicted) but it didn't (initially) work in the Martin case. That is 'the deal'.

      • Guest woman

        I was talking about WHY ? there is no big deal made when these men hurt their children? Why isn't jessie jackson or al sharpton running into their town screaming and ranting? That 's the deal I want to know about. But of course, I 'll never know.

      • joeclyde

        Exactly. The real crime here is that he wasn't arrested and is still not arrested. But of course that doesn't stop well meaning conservatives from smearing Black men just to make a point.

        • docjohndenver

          joe, these are the kinds of comments that besmirch the left's credibility. I have read the comments here, and see no one smearing black men. Throwing out accusations like that shows a lack of interest in actual truth and plays only to shallow emotion. (hey, maybe people will get mad if we say those righties are racists, right?) The term "smearing black men" is a euphemistic way of saying "conservatives who think the justice system should play out are racists". As it happens, I have heard several African-American patients over the last several days who have said we should trust the system as well. Are those people racists who are smearing black men? Of course not. But regardless of how you dress it up in euphemisms, once one side calls the other side racists, all rational debate is dead.

          • Yngblkcons

            Personally, I thought Geraldo's comments were high idiocy. He literally stated that Trayvon bore half of the responsibility for his murder merely because he was a black guy wearing a hooded sweatshirt and such clothing is the clothing of criminals.

            The fact that Fox News backed him by pulling its hooded sweatshirt from its list of items on sale and that some bloggers made a game of digging up photos of Geraldo in a hooded sweatshirt were just kind of the icing on the cake.

            How a guy dresses colors how he is perceived, but I have been stopped by security (often at the sort of events/places one doesn't usually see blacks) while wearing expensive suits, polo shirts and well, all sorts of clothes (I'm a weightlifter with a scar over one eye, so I confess my dark skin is not necessarily the only problem some people have with me).

            Some types of people make strangers nervous, irrespective of all other factors. If I'm walking through a dark alley, I'd be more nervous running into a Shaquille O'Neal lookalike than a Warwick Davis lookalike. Its not necessarily fair, but its not wrong, unless the nervous person does something insane.

          • docjohndenver

            Yngblkcons,

            Is there ANYBODY more annoying in America than Geraldo?! He will always be the idiot that walked into the empty Al Capone vault to me.

          • joeclyde

            So conservatives going out of their way to portray the victim as a thug. Basically saying that he deserved to get shot. I guess you miss that also?

            I really wish that Republicans/Conservatives would stop being dishonest on the racial games played on the right. Then maybe other would be more honest about the racial games played on the left.

          • docjohndenver

            I don't know who you are saying is portraying the victim as a thug. I have said over and over that Zimmerman is a nut. I couldn't care less if the teenager who was tragically got killed had a suspension from school. I am just sick of race being used as a bludgeon In absolutely everything the left talks about. And the president has been the one to do it several times. It is sad to me. I don't know what racial games you are talking about on the right, but if someone uses race to as a weapon I would call them on it. On the other hand, I see no reason to talk about the victim's history at all. It is a tragedy that could have been prevented. I don't care if he is black, white, green, girl, boy, seventeen, twenty, twelve, fat, skinny, etc. I see no relevance in what is happening now on both sides. But make no mistake about one thing: as a conservative I try to marginalize right wingers that are racist; the left embraces the Sharptons of the world. And it is wrong.

          • Guest woman

            Actually, Thugs…come in all skin tones/colors. A THUG is a THUG not by his color but by his ACTIONS……….c 'mon

            The problem with THUGS is that they are vocal, reported on, and they USE the media/tv/etal to get Fame and Glory………so yes, us average americans who go to work, shop for groceries and watch the evening news see THUGS with hoodies, robbing people, hurting people …… you know, just being THUGS !!! with hoodies.

          • joeclyde

            So you continue the play the well mean blind moderate conservative. That never ever sees racism on the right. But see every and any racism on the left. Well I guess I'm blind too.

            So Fox, and Talk radio didn't delve into the background of Trayvon or purposely show pictures of him acting like a dumb teen. To portray him as some Thug. Basically saying he deserved to get shot. Conservatives constantly talking about him being 6'2 as if that makes any difference at all. Nope. You moderate conservatives never process any of this.

            When you wake up and call out the right. Then we could have an honest conversation.

          • docjohndenver

            Hey Joe (shout our to Hendrix there),

            I am not "playing" anybody. I am not a moderate. I am proudly conservative. Moderates are people who try to sit on the fence about the real issues. I don't. I just don't classify people by their height, weight, color, etc. Do you actually read anything I post? I have said over and over I think Zimmerman was in the wrong. I don't care if Trayvon was 7 feet tall and 400 pounds. But don't blame your problems with Fox and talk radio on people like me. I happen to have all kinds of problems with Fox News regarding multiple issues (and Geraldo's mustache). If you actually read what I have said you will see a post that says Trayvon's grades, activities, etc. are irrelevant. But it's easier to deride people who disagree with you than bring respectful debate to the forum.

          • DJs

            You think Zimmerman was wrong. You really seem outraged by his actions. If Zimmerman was a black man and Trayvon was little Bobby with body piercings and a bad meth addiction you people would have been outraged and would be calling for the death penalty. Don't deny it because we have seen it happen time and time again in Amerikkka.

          • docjohndenver

            No DJS, I would feel the same way if their colors, personalities, earrings, whatever were reversed. I simply do not know any other way to say that I think Zimmerman was wrong. And the whole Amerikkka thing went out with the SDS and the Weathermen. Next you will be quoting the Port Huron Statement to us. Please put away the bellbottoms and hippy lettuce and join the twenty first century where people learn from the past and look to the future rather than getting bogged down by the hate of generations gone by. I feel sorry for you. I hope that at some point your innate dislike of America and white people in general changes. It is a great big world with all kinds of potential friends out there if you don't keep judging them by their color. Sad.

  • NSangoma

    ~
    Well damn!!, Kevin Johnson. Zimmerman must be a liberal, too:

    No mention from Geraldo about the fact that Zimmerman was also wearing a hoodie?
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/23/1077094/

    I hope for your sake Kevin Johnson, that this is not true; that it is just another liberal lie.
    `

    • auntiemadder

      Zimmerman most likely voted for Barky in 2008. So what? Wtf difference does it make? And how is Kevin's sake at risk if he is?

    • theblacksphere

      Too bad Zimmerman was in his car in his own neighborhood, and not in a black neighborhood, so he could have been shot!

  • http://myvoiceonthewingsofchange.blogspot.com/ namaste

    nail on head again, kevin! i especially appreciate your pointing out the unfortunate fact that black teens commit a lot of crimes. it's a variable that should be considered. and the hoodie has become thug-wear. this story is completely over blown. zimmerman is a nut with issues and should be locked up. martin was no angel but he's likely to be deified by the msm. i can't believe how many sheep there are in this world. keep telling it like it is, my friend!
    My recent post DON'T GO CHANGING …..

    • theblacksphere

      I will do what I can namaste!

    • joeclyde

      What does him being an angel or not have to do with his right to walk to a home?

      You know Muslim Terrorist believed that American Citizens were all guilty. So they bombed the twin towers on 911.

      Should we equally look into the backgrounds of each 911 victims? Just in case the MSM wouldn't accidentally deify a wife beater or embezzler.

      • ant

        Don't worry about the MSM deifying a victim of radical Islam. Never happens, never will.

    • ozzieaussie

      No, Zimmerman is not a nut. He did nothing wrong. When told he did not need to follow, he said ok. Martin hid and then confronted him and punched him in the face, and then pummelled his head on the concrete. Martin saw the gun and tried to get hold of it.

      • Yngblkcons

        According to Zimmerman's father, who claimed to be relating the story as Zimmerman told it to him, Zimmerman did keep on following Martin even after he indicated tot he operator he wasn't.

        Also, it beggars belief that Zimmerman and Martin suddenly switched crazy hats. Nobody sane pursues people who aren't doing anything but merely look suspicious, but Zimmerman was dogged in his pursuit of Martin, and Zimmerman indicated in his calls that Martin was seeking to lose him.

        To believe Zimmerman's account (or that of his father) of why he suddenly found himself standing over a corpse of a guy with Skittles, one has to believe that Zimmerman and Martin switched crazy and sane hats in the moments between the emergency call and Zimmerman's shooting of Martin.

        • Yngblkcons

          Its much more in keeping with the known facts that Zimmerman kept pursing Martin, caught up with him, caught a beating, then decided to kill Martin.

          Interesting, three audio experts have stated that the calls for help were not Zimmerman's. I could imagine Zimmerman calling for help when he found himself on the losing end of a fight he started, but I could also see Martin calling for help while he was trying to resist an a nutjob who had stalked him, ran him down and at some point pulled a gun.

      • double

        This is great. So you were there, ozzie? I mean, knowing all of this detail, you must have been there. Right? Zimm will be thrilled to use you as a witness at the trial.

        • djs

          Zimm is a dead man walking, he'll probably hang himself before trial. Think about it he can't walk the streets, and now his cellmate Rufus will have him washing his undershorts. Don't drop the soap Zimm!

  • auntiemadder

    This shit happened a month ago!? Omg! I thought it happened just last week, what with the story taking dominance on every cable news station and all over the 'Net.

    Sure took a long time for it to build momentum. Al Sharpton must be slowing down in his old age.

    • Yngblkcons

      Sharpton's a charlatan, but if he played a hand in getting this case publicized (in line with past practice, the local police had been determined to bury it, and didn't bother conducting an investigation) I tip my hat to him. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

      This wouldn't have risen much about the state news level if cops had done their jobs (Local nutjob arrested for shooting teenager, film at 11). Instead they lied to the victim's family about the criminal record of the shooter and at least one witnesses has stated that investigators pushed her to exonerate Zimmerman rather than asking her what she saw and heard.

  • leftrighthater_conspiracynut
  • Dean

    I'm not really sure how to respond to this, but here's an attempt.

    First things first, Kevin is a patriot and has my absolute respect and admiration.

    The fact that the kid that got shot was black should not even be an issue,
    THAT really @$%^ me off. WHO CARES what color his skin is!! A person is
    a person, and if that jackleg neighborhood watch bozo had a brain it wouldn't
    have even happened!

    If it would have been a black thug shooting another black thug my guess is it MIGHT have made the
    local paper, But a light skinned person OMG!!!

    Tired of this crap.

    • Yngblkcons

      How many murders does neighborhood watch commit a year? My guess would be not many (possibly zero, prior to this). How many times do the police let local nutjobs/stalkers shoot people without bothering with an investigation? Once again, my guess is 'not many'.

      Also, while I don't know about Zimmerman's motives (he seems to be just a nutjob who loved to play cop) the Sanford PD has a racial track record no reasonable person could ignore.

      • joeclyde

        Exactly. It has been over a month and he still hasn't been charged.

    • djs

      I'm going to assume you're either white or an ignorant negro. "Who cares what color his skin is." Are you serious? Check caucasian slave master handbook on keeping slaves divided. Caucasians have been hell bent on keeping dark skinned people under their foot since Moses brought these devils into civilization. I'm not saying each and every white person is a devil, however where are all the good white people to call out their relatives and stop them from destroying the planet. If you don't want to be called a cave dwelling savage then stop acting like one.

  • IceTiger

    It sad this young man lost his life. Still it serves no one, justice, by fanning the flames of racial hatred and tensions. It should cause everyone great concern that the Black Panthers would take it upon themselve to be judge ,jury & excutioner in this case, before all the facts are known. It causes me grave concern when people like Jessie Jackson, fuel the flames of hate in these instances.Presidents remark was highly uncalled for & irresponsible. Our country need healing & forgiveness of past wrongs. Not to eat each other alive live pirranahs in a feeding frenzy.

    • djs

      Hey Ice Tiger. Wrong answer. Healing and forgiveness of past wrongs. When did "your country" stop doing wrong? To think America has the nerve to weigh in on Darfur, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, or anywhere else in the world. Atrocity would be the term to describe America from it's inception to the present time. Bloodshed, murder, destruction, robbery, human rights violations, etc. This list could go on for pages. If you are a human being and you want forgiveness then you have to first separate yourselves from those responsible for these atrocities (Your politicians are puppets for the unseen hand that directs them to make laws to oppress the masses of sheeple) I'm not saying America is the worst place in the world, but hell or bad it's all the same.

      • docjohndenver

        djs, no you ARE saying America is the worst place in the world. Naturally. We give billions and military protection to all of these places, or why would they call us FIRST? So who should we become? Europe? Asia? Africa? (don't make me laugh). We aren't perfect but we're better than those dumps. Having spent time in each of those places I guarantee you that they are MUCH LESS tolerant than we are. You're a joke. Go back to your Noam Chomsky book since you obviously have nothing substantive to say here.

        • djs

          I don't even know who the hell Noam Chomsky is. Create a problem and offer a solution is what this military complex called USA offers the world. You don't even understand this tactic because you and your ancestors have been the beneficiaries of these wealth and land stealing barons for all of these years. Well the chickens have come home to roost. $4 a gallon gas prices and record unemployment in the land of plenty and who is suffering the most. Not us, we have never had to begin with. So stay in denial while your country is being bartered off for pennies on the dollar you fool.

          • docjohndenver

            Well, djs, you said one thing that doesn't surprise me. You don't know who Noam Chomsky is.

          • djs

            I'm not quite sure if that's some backhanded attempt at insulting my intelligence. You're not prepared for a battle of wits you're unarmed. You may want to seek professional help to reverse years of brainwashing primarily through your media outlets and your public school education.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, for someone who seems to be so infatuated with the past I just thought you might have some idea of some of the primary influences of the Left. But, alas, you consider yourself "armed" by saying words like "cracker" and "Amerikkka". You have no idea of my education or the media outlets I read. But it is so much easier for the Left to make the Right into bad people because it exempts you from admitting the pathetic failures of big government programs that you continue to say just need a little more money and support. People like you are hurtful to people in minority communities because you do not give young people hope. Your diatribes seem to want to convince people that they are victims of the system rather than authors of their own fate. Like I said, I feel sorry for you. Have a good week, djs. Try to give people who don't look like you a chance. You may be surprised at the goodness out there.

  • Lloyd

    It is tragic that a youth was killed. It may or may not have been a crime, that is for investigators to determine and potentially the jury to decide. However, the actions of the Jackson, Sharpton and the Black Panthers in particluar is also a REAL crime. This is called domestic terrorism. For an organization to call for the "capture" of another because it is their view he is a criminal is vigilante justice. Homeland Security should be investigating.

    • docjohndenver

      Lloyd, how about the president saying, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." As if that makes any difference. Can you imagine if George Bush would have said, "If I had a son he would look like (insert deceased white child here)"? He would have been run out of town on a rail. I am beginning to feel Mr. Obama cares a little more for children and people that "look like him".. A little weird because my kids don't look like him and neither do I. What do you expect from Sharpton and the Panthers when the president inserts himself and plays the race card in a strange, but personal way so as not to be criticized. I simply cannot imagine ever even THINKING to myself about any of my patients who have fallen ill or died: "wow, if I had a son or daughter they would look like him or her." It is one of the most repugnant things I have ever heard a president say. He clearly classifies the world by color. Those of us who do not are a bit troubled by it.

      • Lloyd

        Well said Doc. This story that is playing out before our eyes reminds me of To Kill A Mockingbird. It is a travisty that justice may be given out by the court of public opinion and not proper authorities and investigators. I was so hopeful that the days of the lynch mobs were behind us, but now, it appears even the POTUS is behind vigilanty justice.

      • joeclyde

        Please stop. You see color and you prejudge people like everybody else. You may be professional enough not to let it affect your work. But you are not colorblind.

        Conservatives will always see Obama as a Black man first and a President second. Even though he is bi-racial. There are too many comments to prove this. So why should he pretend it's anything different.

        Obama is the best thing to happen to Black Conservatives and they know it. And they know the reasons behind it but doesn't stop them from cashing in.

        • Meshuggahboy

          Actually, I think of Obama as a crappy president first, and a black man second – but only because he and his supporters won't ever stop playing the race card. I don't give a damn if he's green with blue stripes, although considering his foreign policy he should probably be yellow.

          I had some big issues with Bush also, do you think it was because he's white?

        • docjohndenver

          Why would I see a half black half white man who was raised by white people on the beach in Hawaii as "black first"? YOU think of him black first so you have projected that on the rest of us. It's called transference. And this is about the best example of it I have ever seen. I may not be colorblind, but I would never think, "That kid has blonde hair like my son would have so that makes me really upset." If you think someone is "cashing in" in the black community, it is Jackson, Sharpton, CBC, etc. And I agree with Mesh: above all Obama is the most over-his-head, inexperienced leader in modern history.

          • joeclyde

            Yeah. Palin would have been a much better choice.

          • docjohndenver

            Palin was running for VICE president, not president. One guy runs the free world, the other one goes to funerals and makes goofy gaffes about seven eleven employees from India (see Biden, Joe). I realize the knee jerk reaction for all leftists when they have nothing to say is to yell "BUSH! PALIN!" so I understand your response. Thank you for the edification of this debate.

        • Lloyd

          What I see is ideology. Government control of industry, communications, health care, agriculture, energy, etc. This being done outside of the constitutional limits through the use of czars. A man who is endorsed by the communist party usa, who has hired people to work in the White House that have openly admitted admiration for Chairman Mao and the communist way of life. What I have heard from the left is I am a racist; Jimmy Carter, Maxine Waters, Al Sharpton, etc.

        • Yngblkcons

          Its not a matter of being colorblind. Both Obama and Clarence Thomas are black (something I'm sure their supporters of cognizant of), but I'm willing to bet their is zero overlap among their support bases because one is very liberal and one is very conservative.

          On a similar note, the reactions to Obamacare and Clintoncare were similarly adverse. People didn't care what color the president proposing the 'reform' was, they cared about the policy.

        • ant

          Actually, I see him as incompetent/destructive buffoon first, and an angry little community agitator second. Lazy is in there somewhere too. Hope that clears it up for you.

          You are somewhat correct at the end there. Obama may be the best thing to happen to conservatism in general in awhile. Now everyone gets to 'see' the real damage and idiocracy that stems from raging liberalism.

          • joeclyde

            No. I said he was the best thing to happen to BLACK conservatives. White people line up for their Black Mouth pieces so that they wouldn't be called racist. Black conservatives are cashing in. No matter how ridiculous they sound and look.

          • ant

            I know what you said, that's why I say you are SOMEWHAT correct, you just have to leave the race thing out. BTW, Knucklehead, white, libtard radio host spends precious minutes of so-called 'news analysis' talking about what a little lapdog Clarence Thomas is, etc. Good thing the Justice is conservative, huh? Otherwise we would have heard the outrage and fainting over the 'obvious racist War on Blacks'. Liberals…you're all friggin' pathetic.

      • sacksucker

        If you weren't such an asshat, doc, you would realize that all Obama was saying is, 'that could have been my son' (in case you neanderthal teabag wackjobs didn't know it, Obama does not actually have a son). Basically the same thing I have said and thought since that wacko stalked and killed that kid.
        Of course if I would just be a good niggro like Kevin, I would adjust my wardrobe to whatever someone else's preference is…. Jeeezussss…..

        • docjohndenver

          It is hard to reply to someone who calls themself "sacksucker" because any reply seems somehow redundant, but here goes: I find it interesting that the Left constantly feels the need to "explain" Obama's comments. And I understand why. He is not the great communicator the media tells us he is. But I cannot imagine as president if there was a tragedy like this (and if you are able to read you know I think Zimmerman was in the wrong according to what we know so far) that I would say, "Wow. That kid looks like he could be my son." It is typical of his megalomaniacal, its-all-about-me approach. But the beauty of this country is that we can make our own judgments of our leaders' comments. I know what he said, and frankly the average third grader knows what it means. Mr. Obama jumps into anything that has any possibility of racial overtones before he thinks. Same thing with the idiot professor followed by the beer summit. I am just glad you are hear to parse his statements or they might sound stupid sometimes. BTW, what is an "asshat"? Ah profanities…the weapon of the linguistically challenged left.

          • djs

            Doc, an asshat is an ass with a hat on it.

          • docjohndenver

            I can see someone calling me an ass, djs, but I don't wear a hat.

          • djs

            And I think we both know what a sacksucker is!

        • docjohndenver

          Sacksucker, I apologize for spelling the word "here" incorrectly. (I just wanted to say that so you didn't feel the need to swear about something else. Try being happy and kind and using words you could actually use around children. Oh yeah, you leftists talk that way around kids too, don't you? Pathetic.)

          • djs

            I've been away for a minute. Who is this Sacksucker. You have to be kidding me. Who calls themself that.

          • doubleSorsomething

            Is that why you return to this cesspool, white black supremacist blog, doc? Because you are happy and kind?

          • docjohndenver

            The only racists I have come across on this site are leftists, but I understand why the Left does not want rational discussion. Anyone who gives any real time and effort to the inner city understands that the social programs are destroying poor families, black, white, Latino, whatever. And yes, I am generally happy and kind. Although I still have enough juice to call an idiot and idiot. Idiot.

        • djs

          Come on dude. Call yourself double S or something.

          • doubleSorsomething

            That's my teabagger moniker. Get it? Most, if not all, of these brain dead fucks on here are fascist, air-head zombie teabaggers.

          • docjohndenver

            I am anxiously awaiting the day that a leftist comes on this site and does not include a swear word in their first day on the site. Alas, it will probably never happen. Where are you, Downsouth and Middle? You guys actually made me think. This is like debating a rock.

          • doubleSorsomething

            It is not my first day, and I thought we got rid of you, asshat gasbag. You don't get it? You don't remember the "leftists" Peaches, herman, hoodoo daddy, etc., etc., etc.???? BTW, you are the hat and the ass. Get it now??

          • doubleSorsomething

            BTW, doc, you must be so proud of Kev for being published in the Moony Times. Adds so much to his legitimacy, don't you think?

          • docjohndenver

            To paraphrase a Democrat who I really respected, "I happen to know Kevin. Kevin is a friend of mine…." Here is where I deviate from the narrative: Kevin can take care of himself. It would be a bit presumptuous for someone as unimportant and unknown as me to give Kevin a lecture on who to be published by. Kevin is, after all, a nationally known political commentator, well-known satirist and a writer of two of the best books I have ever read. Do you really think Kevin needs any help rebutting the likes of you? Many well-read journals are started under somewhat inauspicious circumstances. Come on, Peaches. you are better at racist rants than critiques of news rags. Stick to what you know….hate.

    • Yngblkcons

      So you never form an opinion about a legal matter until a jury tells you what to think? Fair enough.

      I think OJ killed two people and got away with it, and my feelings on the matter didn't change when a jury decided otherwise. I think Ted Kennedy is responsible for the death of the young woman who drowned in his car, despite his never having been charged. There are a lot of cases in which celebs with deep pockets and rabid fanbases evade justice.

      On a related note, I believe the justice system sometimes makes mistakes even in the best of circumstances, sometimes due to investigator malfeasance, but more often due to human error. I worked (part time) for AMW as an operator for a couple years and I can tell you witness IDs are unreliable because people often try to make vaguely similar looking people 'fit'. Hell, the Innocence Project alone has gotten almost 300 people freed based on DNA evidence

      • Yngblkcons

        I despise all the actvists (most of whom spend more time in front of a camera than in the community) you mentioned, but Sharpton was apparently on this case early on. Without his involvement, the local police might have successfully buried this case. The sheriff (whose men failed to investigate) had already falsely declared that Zimmerman had no criminal history and that he wouldn't be charged.

        What is my point? Its perfectly valid for people to form opinions independent of the system. Trust the system to an extent, but don't let it tell you what to think, because it isn't omniscient. It isn't acceptable to pull a Spike Lee and tweet the address of a suspect or carry out a sentence yourself, but coming to conclusions independent of the system (and questioning and challenging the system) is a perfectly valid thing most people do.

        • docjohndenver

          Yngblkcons, Tawana Brawley effectively ended Sharpton's credibility in anything like this. He is a dishonest, bad man who jumps into every case early. He sees his gravy train drying up as blacks move into the middle class but he wants to hold on a little longer. He is not the reason this case is where it is. But he might be the reason the region blows up with violence soon. Other than that, I pretty much agree with all your opinions on this thread. I am, as I have said earlier, extremely suspicious of semi-paranoid over-the-top neighborhood watch types and I think Zimmerman is probably largely in the wrong here.

        • Guest woman

          Ya know, I like you… most of the time you make "reasoned" statements… since this morning's news report…. "more" things have come out. I'm still left with the this hoodie thing. Geraldo IS a nut, no doubt, but the one thing that does make sense to me is the implication WE, the general population, are left with. The back stories that go BEFORE any public story. So Yng… tell me your honest truth. If you are walking down ANY Street America and you are face with a Hoodie Wearing person and that person is acting in a way that seems threatening to you……..what are you gonna think? Thug or just Hoodie kid? Because of the "image" of Thug-dom and lots of them wearing Hoodies to hide their faces… it just is what it is.

          I'm kind of like Trayvon Martin in the sense that I would turn around and confront whomever is following me… and as a woman, I have taught myself to "be prepared" to get the hell out of there after I open my big mouth! I walk with keys between my fingers, I have learned to defend myself physically…and believe you me – if I am yelling, SOMEone is hearing me.

          • Yngblkcons

            I normally don't pay much attention to the clothes men wear, but since this controversy started, I've started paying attention to hoodies, and I don't find guys who wear them any more or less disreputable looking then the t-shirt wearing guys they are walking besides (provided the hoods are down).

            Yes, clothing coupled with behaviour does push me towards conclusions (a guy in expensive, clean clothes muttering to no one is probably a businessman wearing an earpiece I would not hesitate to walk past, a guy in dirty, ragged clothes doing the same thing is probably a mentally unbalanced homeless guy I would cross the street to avoid) but clothing alone doesn't worry me.

          • Guest woman

            You answered it. hoods down… does not set off any alarms . Dirty and ratty do. I understand completely… and of course they way they are "acting"…

          • Lloyd

            Yng, you make very good points. I do not form opinions based upon new media reports from a single source, I try for two or more. I do not base opinion on televised reports since I choose not to be connected to the televised world. The justice system has made mistakes and will continue to do so. Vigilanties make mistakes as well, as in Spike Lee.
            As to the clothes, the old children's story 'Clothes Make the Man' is stll true today. Look at he congressman that wears a hoodie whild making a speach. Instead of the proper speaking technique of looking the audience in the eye, he has his head down as though he is hiding something. Putting on a 'uniform' makes a person different. A group of hoodies walking toward me with hoods up will make me nervous. A group of 'Hell's Angels' will also make me nervous. Note that I do not have to explain the dress of a Hell's Angel.

      • djs

        It was a drug hit OJ didn't do it. He knows who did but the Juice didn't do it.

        • docjohndenver

          Interestingly, djs, I read something on the net that I have no idea has any truth to it. Apparently somebody wrote a book that claims they have the murder weapon and OJ's son may have done it. So you may be right. How is that for third person "I am just telling you what I heard" rumor mongering? The old lady across the street who watches everyone and starts rumors about everyone would be proud of me here.

    • djs

      Hey Lloyd. That sounds almost like a white man in denial. Anytime a black man mentions defending himself under attack from a bloodthirsty savage then a white man cries terroism. Where were your cries when Rodney King was being brutally beaten by LA's finest. How about the black man in Texas that was drug and killed by a group of savage cave dwelling crackers. Our towns were burned to the ground by rednecks. Black men and women especially the youth have been under attack by an inherently racist government and its citizenry since we were stolen from our homeland. Better get it in while it lasts. All things good or bad must come to an end.

      • ant

        You're an idiot and DEFINETLY part of the problem. Shall I go ahead and link some articles about the disproportionate numbers of rapes and murders committed by blacks against the white savages? Go back to your homeleand, noone's stopping you. I hope you have the same opportunities and freedoms you have there as you have here in the land of 'whitey always pickin' on your weak, butt-hurt, boo-hoo, ignorant black ass'. Buh-bye now.

      • docjohndenver

        djs, I think I will start blaming you for all of the black on white violence that has occurred in the past. And over the last half century there's been plenty. So fess up and pay up. It's all your fault for being black. Sound stupid? Yeah, I agree. And this is what your posts sound like to everyone here. Please do something with your inner hate. You clearly hold our skin color against those of us who are white. Pathetic. And childish. Please go post at http://www.romper room.com.

  • Guest woman

    Humanity grows more and more intelligent, yet there is clearly more trouble and less happiness daily. How can this be so? It is because intelligence is not the same thing as wisdom.
    — Lao Tzu

  • Linky Drake

    It's alright to form an opinion about a case before the legal system processes and ajudicates it; but our opinions should never form the basis for jumping to the conclusion that the person is either innocent or guilty because I am of the opinion that they are. That's best left to the legal system to determine.

    • docjohndenver

      As always Linky steps to the plate and hits a home run. Linky, if we take your statement to its obvious conclusion it implies that we probably shouldn't begin to march in the streets and call for vigilantism until there has at least been an indictment.

    • djs

      Linky Drake. Gotta be white. To use the term legal system is a dead giveaway. You obviously aren't black and want the legal system to decide someone's fate. It should be renamed the Just Us System. How does fifteen percent of the general population make up 70% of the prison population. That's mathematically impossible unless the scales of justice are imbalanced. You make the call.

      • ant

        How? Go back and read some of Kevin's articles…it's called the Democrat plantation. Here's a thought, see if you're bright enough to figure this out. Jesse and Al out there calling for 'civil disobedience', some might take them up on it, do something stupid and get thrown in jail. Do you think Jesse and Al will be bailing them out? Do you think Jesse and Al will be the spearhead on the street of the rioting and civil disobedience? Or do you think they'll be back in their luxury suite watching idiots like you do the handiwork and get thrown in jail? Why is it that the white man is the majority in this Country and , according to people like you, is part of a conspiracy of hate against the Negroe, yet, according to the FBI, less than 100 black women are attacked by white males every year. By contrast, blacks are the minority, but 22,000 white women are attacked by black males every year. Picked to be victims based on their skin color. Do you think that might also explain why more blacks are in jail than whites?

  • Guest woman

    13 yr old boy [ white] in Kansas City, Mo. followed home by two older boys [ black] set on fire and left to burn. Fortunately for the boy he did not die………

    http://www.kctv5.com/story/17048649/teens-set-13-

    discussion?

    • ant

      Thankfully, the boy thought quickly and pulled his jacket (hoodie?) up over his head to smother the flames. I hear the boy and his mother are still waiting for their phone call from Obama.

      There is much to discuss in that story. I understand there are only about 20 white students in that school and the boy's teacher told him in front of class that he had no right to speak on the subject of black oppression (a favorite class topic of the teacher) because his skin color was the same as the historical oppressors. Many white parents have taken their kids out of school and moved from there, one woman spoke of her two daughters constantly groped and molested by boys at the school as teachers looked on and laughed. She got fed-up and afraid enough to move to the next town. Would be a good topic for some ignorant comments Middle Thinker has written concerning 'white flight'.

    • Yngblkcons

      Rough case. Sadly, according to the site you linked to, the parents aren't happy with the investigation (they feel that the police don't believe their son) and the reporter writing the article (whose newspaper interviewed the parents early on, before this became national news) stated that creativity subsequently came into play.
      —–
      http://www.kctv5.com/story/17260926/mother-of-tee

      Other media outlets have reported that one of the suspects said, "You get what you deserve, white boy." That was not in the police report, and the boy's mother had spoken publicly with KCTV5 before Monday. As a result, KCTV5 did not previously report that statement.
      —-
      A bit of embellishment doesn't necessarily mean the core narrative (white kid followed home by two black kids, set on fire) is false. Recently a theft victim in California lied about the circumstances of the crime to a 911 operator in order to get a faster, stronger police response but no one is arguing the underlying crime didn't happen.

      • Yngblkcons

        When I read about this case a month ago, I thought an arrest would happen pretty quickly, because the parents indicated that attack was done by other students of their son's school, but nothing has happened. No sketches have been released, no estimates of height and weight of the suspects has been released, no nothing. The only description offers is below. No height, weight, skin color or facial sketches have been offered.
        —-
        Police are asking for the public's help in locating the two suspects who are described as being around 16 years old. One was wearing a blue beanie, blue jacket and blue-green Nike Air Jordans with #23. The second suspect was wearing a black hoodie and black sunglasses with silver on the side.
        —-

        • Yngblkcons

          I hope cops have talked to people at the school, walked the kid's route and asked people along the route if they saw anything and checked cameras and sent a sketch artist with a yearbook under his arm went to the victim and worked with him to try to developer a picture of the assailants.

          If have done all that and nothing has come up, that's problematic because it gives the officers nowhere to go. If they haven't they are failing to do their jobs and need to be replaced because their inaction is allowing two thugs evil enough to set a kid on fire to continue to walk around.

  • ant

    I live in a mixed neighborhood but none of us are of the 'rap culture/thuggery is cool' mentality. When you have enough of that element, decent people move if they can.It's about the 'element'…I seriously doubt those teens lit that boy on fire because they were worried that institutional racism was going to keep them out of Harvard.

    • docjohndenver

      well said, ant.

  • rosalind

    What you trying to accomplish with these things that you are saying, because, some white people are having a field day, with the stuff, they are getting.The comments are really offensive, that they are making.

    • Yngblkcons

      Some black people are having a field day as well. Fools are going to be fools. We shouldn't curtail honest debate for fear that the foolish will use some incident or phrase to justify their narrative.

      • ant

        I agree, despite gun-runner Holder's statement that 'we are a nation of cowards' when it comes to racial dialogue, the average person is really actually observant and willing to discuss almost any issue. The thing, for me, is that Holder was 100% wrong, not only about the 'cowards' accusation, but that I strongly disagree with the liberal premise that everybody views life through the prism of race. If fools didn't keep stoking that fire, it wouldn't burn as it does.

        • http://jerricook.com jcook

          This is absolutely correct. The Trayvon Martin shooting was never a racial incident, and no amount of race-baiting by Sharpton and crew can change that. People who would set someone on fire because of the color of their skin would attack someone for any reason, no matter how small—they don't like their haircut, their clothes, their car–hate knows no racial boundaries.

          I'm a law student. I left a comment on another site that said: Trayvon Martin got excactly what he deserved. Somehow, that statement alone makes me an evil racist. Now, a group of students (Black and White) are trying to have me expelled from school because I'm a racist. Nevermind that they're a bunch of bullies. I'm sorry for Trayvon's parents, but the truth is he made a series of bad decisions, and the last one cost him his life.

          • Yngblkcons

            Okay, I'll bite. What was his last bad decision?

          • ant

            He has made several. Selling weed, choosing to talk like an ignorant thug wanna-be, instead of English, taking a swing at a bus-driver, wearing gold 'grills' on his teeth, getting suspended from school, cutting through yards at night, and confronting an armed gung-ho wanna-be TSA agent. And also, eating skittles, First Lady, Mooch, would not approve.

          • docjohndenver

            ant, what's wrong with skittles?! I love them. My wife says skittles and kit kats are my "comfort food".

          • ant

            The food-Nazis can't 'tolerate' you peons enjoying taste or 'comfort'…it's for your own good….liberals must believe some of us get out of here alive. Your skittles and kit-kats will, henceforth, be replaced by chicken nuggets and pink slime.

          • docjohndenver

            Bummer.

          • Yngblkcons

            If you choose to swallow Zimmerman's account without examination, well, to each his own, but to believe Zimmerman's account you have to believe that Zimmerman and Trayvon essentially changed hats in the minute between the 911 call and the shooting.

            Zimmerman, the guy who stalked Martin despite an operator's advice to the contrary, suddenly wanted nothing more to leave when he suddenly attacked by the guy who until that point by Zimmerman's own account had been trying to lose him.

            Also, Zimmerman's father claims that Trayvon saw Zimmerman's gun a minute before the shooting, but aside from declaring 'You will die tonight' he ignored it up until Zimmerman shot him.

            If all that sounds believable to you, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

          • Yngblkcons

            More likely (as has been my thesis from the beginning) Zimmerman confronted Trayvon and wound up taking a beating (not in evidence from the grainy video, but I don't think the police report was a lie) ending that beating with a gunshot.

            As I pointed out a couple times in this thread, when a guy in a car follows a pedestrian, then runs after said pedestrian when they try to evade him, most people aren't going to think neighborhood watch (which isn't in the habit of running people down), they are going to think mugger.

            Trayvon's last mistake was not beating Zimmerman to the point of unconciousness or death (admittedly a tall order given that Zimmerman was out of Trayvon's weight class).

          • ant

            I'm not going to argue with you on these points. I'm more of a lover than a fighter (LOL) but I too would feel the need to defend myself if some clown appeared to be stalking me. However, I feel we are getting away from the real BS angle of this story and that is , for example, this one incident has people like Jesse out there yelling 'We are at war', 'Blacks are being attacked'. This sort of thing happens ALL the time, and actually much worse. Think of the case of the white girl and her boyfriend that were brutally raped, held hostage and viciously murdered by four black assailants. The details of that case were horrific, but it was not seen as occasion for race war and civil disobedience. Why this one? If blacks are under attack, it is, statistically, by other blacks. The whole thing stinks of convenience and contrivance. It's a set-up. How many other young black men have been killed since yesterday?

          • Yngblkcons

            I agree that its ridiculous to assert that Martin's killing was part of some type of pattern or the beginnings of a war.

            The face of death for most black murder victims is black and even when it isn't race usually isn't the motive for the murder. Rival drug dealers or what have you rack up a bigger body count on a busy day than racist loonies do in a year (and of course at this point in time Zimmerman appears to have been a nutjob playing cop, not a racist looking to kill a black teen for the heck of it).

          • docjohndenver

            I agree with both of you guy's last two posts. Zimmerman was a nut, but I can tell you that my black patients living in rough neighborhoods do not fear crazy racist white neighborhood watchers. They fear the crackhead next door. This is a horrible example of using a tragedy to trump up hate between the races. Because that is how parasites like jackson and tawana al stay relevant.

          • docjohndenver

            Yngblkcons, your synopsis here is about how I see it as well. And, sadly, if Trayvon would have rendered Zimmerman unconscious this wouldn't have even made the news. Nobody would be dead and it would have actually been reported locally as "Latino and black get in a fight".

          • ant

            Actually, no, I was going to add that 'assuming the story is true'. But truth is a fatality of ideology these days, so it's not beyond comprehension that we will never know exactly what happened that night.

          • joeclyde

            All that walking home from the store? Jeez. He did deserve to be shot.

    • Guest woman

      Field day ? With what ? that doesn't make any sense to me. Because it happens both ways? IT just depends on what "story" gets the national coverage? We ALL know that is the deal.. who gets the most press.

      Some days I just have to FIND me some GOOD news to get myself in a better frame of mind.

      • ant

        I have a suggestion, look up "soldier re-united with….child, dog, etc…" . Never ceases to put a smile on my face and a tear in my eye.

  • Martin

    You have so much confusion and self hate. You are going to serve people who see no big deal in your people being murder in cold blood. It was raining thats why he had a hoodie on and did not need to answer Zimmermans questions.

    • ant

      So many blacks murdered in the womb. many more than 1 Trayvon Martin, yet you will support the black 'leaders' that support that, like Obama. Where are these so-called 'Reverends'? How can fool, greedy, hate-mongers like Jackson and Sharpton claim to be men of God, claim to be concerned about 'victims' while they sit idly by or support the real black genocide, and never speak a word against abortion? Why do these "reverends' never speak a word on the slaughter of thousands of black Christians in Africa at the hands of Muslims? Because there is more money and political gain in hating whitey in America. Go ahead, be another one of their useful idiots.

      • docjohndenver

        ant and martin, I would add that if you actually read the article Kevin says that the evidence points to Zimmerman being wrong. I am curious, however, martin. Who are Kevin's "people"? I have known Kevin for some time now. I am so white that I sometimes appear "clear" to take a line from Bill Murray. But I consider Kevin a friend. My father's side fought for the North and three of them died in the Civil War. My mother's side came 50 years after the Civil War and my mom spent four years of my childhood arguing in Panamanian courts for rights of the indigenous Kuna people. At what point do I get to be one of Kevin's "people"? Or do we white folks just never get to be part of the good guys club? It seems that people like you define people by their color and, thus, expect them to think a certain way. It is the height of condescension if you ask me. It is 2012. A half black and half white man is president. Can't we all begin to become "one people"?!

  • http://americanandproud.net Robert

    I have a question Kevin. How do we know this "Hoodie or no hoodie, the kid should not have been shot by Zimmerman, as neighborhood watch is not neighborhood shoot. Zimmerman took his role way too seriously/"

    I don't really KNOW and with the info out in the public arena NOBODY knows what happened. There's a lot of "What if's" out there. Take this one: What if Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman as he was on his way back to his truck. Got him from behind, knocked him down and began pummeling him. During the assault went for Zimmerman's gun… And during the struggle Trayvon was shot? Could it have happened like that? IF so would that be reason to shoot? Should Zimmerman let trayvon have his gun and hope he didn't shoot him? Or worse, run off with the gun and used it in a crime some other time?…

    Not that it happened that way, but since we don't know I can't say he shouldn't have shot him. There's a thing as justifiable homicide for a reason. Wearing a hoodie isn't a reason. Assault IS a reason,

    I do know this: To blame the "Hoodie" as the reason Zimmerman looked at him as suspicious only makes sense if OTHERS were in the area NOT WEARING HOODIES and he picked the hoodie to investigate.

    White's, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians all wear hoodies… He had no idea it was a black kid under it.
    My recent post Stand Your Ground Law under attack…

    • docjohndenver

      Robert, I know you were talking to Kevin, but I agree with everything you said. However, it seems like Kevin's point was that the thug culture has been embraced by the Left. The hoodie was just a symbol in this case. Maybe that wasn't one of Kevin's points. And if that is the case, please disregard this post completely. I still come back to the idea that Trayvon had not committed or attempted to commit a crime that has come out as of yet, so Zimmerman was WAY to into the whole neighborhood watch thing.

      • http://americanandproud.net Robert

        Kevin is right on the whole post. I just wanted that one part discussed a bit further. Doc. Here's the thing. A cop on the beat may STOP crimes just by being seen in the area. You can't count those because they didn't occur right? So Zimmerman being there and alert MAY have stopped a crime. The whole neighborhood watch thing WORKS as long as folks are willing to get involved. This type of crap makes folks question their actions. This is BAD for INNOCENT people great for criminals.

        Zimmerman MAY have acted too boldly. MAY is the key word. IF he did then he will pay the price. IF he didn't he shouldn't pay anything and should receive compensation for the defamation of his character by the media and race pimps.
        My recent post Stand Your Ground Law under attack…

        • djs

          Stand Your Ground Law will only be under attack if Blacks start using it to justify shooting white people in cold blood. Then they will repeal the law. As long as blacks are the victims then your law is safe.

          • ant

            Who are you foolin'? You, apparently, don't need a Stand Your Ground Law to justify shooting white people..you already have it justified in your mind.

          • Djs

            Maybe someday you will find the time to educate yourself. There are physiological reasons why melanin depleted mankind are predisposed to brutal savage violence. Having a lack of melanin causes a chemical imbalance which triggers an over active response from the left side of the brain which is the destructive side of the brain. Without question, the melanin depleted Caucasian race is an example of this. They have left their mark in history. Wherever they've gone there's a trail of death and destruction.

          • Robert

            Djs.. WOW. Um, have you been to Uganda? Zimbabwe? Any part in Africa? Now lets look at the "Death and destruction" of white people.. Did you happen to look at the beginnings of civilization… A lot of those weren't white folks… Romans Yep, English. Yep but there were also people of darker complexion doing the very same things to shape our world…

            Now lets look at where we are NOW…. See the difference? So basically I agree with you, but you don't offer any accolades for evolving as a society? Would you rather we stayed in the 17th century like most on the african continent?… Or would you happen to be grateful you don't live there? I mean the internet isn't exactly thriving there…
            My recent post Stand Your Ground Law under attack…

          • docjohndenver

            djs, are you serious about the above post or was it intended to be ironic? Because if you are serious I just think you should know that in twelve years of pre med, med school, internship and residency I never read, saw or heard of a melanin depletion syndrome. This reminds me of when there was an explanation for blacks being good at basketball due to short Achilles tendons and more fast twitch fibers. When anyone can drive by Del Mar park down the street from my office and watch 25 black kids play ball from dawn to dusk all summer which explains why these kids will be good at basketball. The violence of the Arab street, Darfur, much of Asia and Africa is perpetrated by people with lots of melanin. Please tell me this post was a joke.

          • djs

            The post isn't a joke. You think black "kids" (your bible describes kids as young goats") playing basketball from dawn to dusk is what makes them good at basketball. The jumping ability, coordination, speed, quickness, strength, and agility are all attributed to genetic makeup and melanin. Melanin is also responsible for many other functions of the human body including brain function. Of course the white establishment would never admit to this fact otherwise that would be a concession of inferiority due to a lack of melanin. You may want to do other research besides reading the curriculum that was put together by a racist establishment to begin with. In regards to Darfur and Africa, although it's true the players in this ongoing conflict are of dark skinned origins, the root cause of this are the "European Devils" that have used divide and conquer tactics since they appeared on the seen some 6,000 years ago according to your bible.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, I don't know much, but I do know this. The University of Colorado School of Medicine and the Mercy Family Practice residency were the least "racist establishments" on earth. I believe genetics plays a part but so does environment. You are essentially making the same arguments that skinheads make about the "mud races" they spew about. Our different genetic makeups make us more or less prone to violence. I no longer feel sad for you. I loathe people like you. You feel that people are doomed to their actions by their DNA. You are pathetic and very hurtful to the people you puport to care about. Crawl back under your rock, you abhorrent eel.

          • djs

            I never said you're doomed to your actions by your DNA. Just like your medical books tell you that certain genetic markers makes you more prone to certain diseases so does a lack of melanin. My comment was melanin plays a much more important role in the makeup of a human being than the white establishment will ever admit to. Of course your environment plays a key role as well. I can use you and great portion of the citizens on this earth as an example. Everything associated with white is peaceful and angelic. Everything associated with black is bad and no one wants it. Take for instance your games for entertainment. I'll use pool for the obvious example of racism. How do you win? The white ball knocks the black ball in the hole and game over. Your bible describes Jesus as having hair like lambs wool and feet like brass burned in an oven; yet every picture of Jesus I've ever seen has blonde hair and blue eyes.

          • djs

            Their are more racist overtones to your bible and the teachings are faulty and scientifically impossible. How can Adam be the first man on earth and the white gene is recessive. So is blonde hair and blue eyes. Your scientist will tell you civilization began in Africa. The white establishments response to this. The first beings were apes and evolved into human beings. You call me racist. The worst part is they teach this BS to the children in school and this is how institutional racism is perpetuated.

          • djs

            I'm hurtful to the people I care about. Wrong answer. I employ people the white establishment has labled as criminals and thugs. You can loathe me all you want. I know you want a bunch of Kevin Jacksons so white folk can pretend slavery was in the past and everything is OK. I'm here to tell you there are many more blacks of the same mindset as myself in comparison to the Kevin Jacksons of the world. The problem is my people have been silenced and in many cases are unable or unwilling to express themselves because of a fear of some sort of reprisal or retaliation from the white establishment.

          • djs

            That's why I'm working with my brothers and sisters to establish an economic foundation for our own people. We're not asking you for anything. We are more than capable of establishing our own well to do towns and communities in this country. We've done it in the past and we will do it again. Our economic fortunes don't have to be tied to this failing economic system. It's that slave mentality "You sick we sick too massa" that has prevented us from advancing forward.

          • Robert

            I'm working to allow white people the same option DJS. A WHITE Foundation.. Maybe a WHITE Congressional Caucus, A white only College… But that would be racist right?… Maybe only give money to WHITE folks is the answer.. You do yours and I'll do mine.. Hows that? Pretty damn shallow if you ask me.

            But hey, it's all the white mans fault has a good ring to it. Never mind that you can't fire a black or hispanic person unless you have ALL the bases covered but just one mistake you can fire a white person under 40 for whatever… IS that fair too?… White people are being victimized by YOUR type of racism. SO how long before you see RACIST organizations like the NBP's having a reprisal? Just think wouldn't that be wonderful?… um no..

            Get a clue djs, Whitey don't give a damn those days are gone. Blacks have attained the top spots in government/society unfortunately it's still easier to blame history than to WORK FOR YOUR OWN FUTURE!

          • djs

            You can runaway from the truth all you want. You're the beneficiary of the misdeeds of your ancestors and if the past has no bearing on the present then why in the hell do we study history in school. Why is there a history channel on cable? To key to understanding the present is to understand what happened in the past. It's not an accident that most neighborhoods populated with so-called minorities are more prone to crime. These white organizations you're talking about setting up already exist. I guarantee you when my movement gets legs the government will put every negative spin on it possible including trying to link me to some terroist organization. You don't care for black people, but you don't want us to do anything for ourselves either.

          • Robert

            You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT DJS.. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT I don't care for black people. I don't care for whites, asians or hispanics either…. For some reason I don't see the paint job first. Some folks need to show their RACE first those folks I don't care for at all… Maybe its just me.

            Running away from the truth? Not hardly. I'll stand toe to toe with ANY Racist and call them out on it. I'm benefitting from my ancestors? Um… hello, so are you. You live in a nation WHERE YOU CAN BE WHATEVER YOU WANT! But you must work for it. You must make good choices you must DO IT. And there's a potential for greatness and failure… Try it in Africa, Try it in european nations without a pedigree. Try it ANYWHERE else in the world… My ancestors built a nation the way they did is NOW questioned, but during the time it was common. My Ancestors ALSO CORRECTED it. Civil war ring a bell? Civil rights oh wait, those were REPUBLICANS who fought for that… We've come a long way and it seems some of your folks don't want to realize it and grasp it. It's easier to blame folks from 150 years ago for your ills… Wake up.

          • djs

            You need to get a clue. There are a few blacks that have been able to get jobs previously held by whites only. I guess you call that evolution. However there are certain conditions to getting and keeping these jobs. One of them include forsaking your own racing never mentioning independence for black people. You know its funny. Didn't your ancestors use biological warfare (smallpox) among other warfare to steal this land from the Natives. It's okay for whitey to have, own, and control his destiny, but as soon as a black man talks about doing the same he is considered a racist. Go figure. I didn't ask you for one red cent I have not talked about any type of retaliatory violence. I simply said I'm joining up with my brothers and sisters to become independent just like you are. That struck and nerve in you because whether you want to admit it or not you feel black people shouldn't have anything.

          • Robert

            Not true at all DJS when have you ever heard a white man putting his race first in his quest to control his own destiny? IF you need to put your race in the forefront it will always be the first. Stop it and make people see YOU. You know why Racism among whites is front page news these days? (Even though a lot of it is MANUFACTURED) it's because it's so hard to find. It's not the 50's its not the 1800s Our parents and grandparents broke off some civility. Clue in on that and check your perceptions. Check em against facts. Show me where YOU were a victim of racism? Show me where SOMEONE was wronged because of their color… And I bet I can show you a person who puts race first rather than character… MLK spoke and the only way it was intended is from white to Black. It's also the other way around… ALL not some.

          • djs

            Case in point. Town where I live issued permit for a new house to be built facing away from adjacent road. Town told me I couldn't build a new home facing away from adjacent road. I'm black the other guy white. Hmmm. A little fishy don't you think?

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            Need some more details but on its face YEP very fishy. Did you follow up with the reason? Did you push above the clerk for reasoning? Is there ANY other possibility than race? Did you stand up and piss on the desk? Did you happen to go in there and call the guy/gal craka's???? (HUMOR don't be offended)

            IF you seriously believe you were denied because of your race then you are sitting on a gold mine. Send me the details and I'll help. I'll be your token white guy who wants to fix the injustice. Seriously. I have no problem calling them out on it. Give me names of the people who denied it. Give me area, give me the building codes for your city.

            We'll fight it and if we win, you build the house and invite me over for BBQ! I'm very cheap. I drink Bud in bottles..
            My recent post Rocket takes off From CA…

          • docjohndenver

            DJS, may the God of the Bible that you villify have mercy on your soul for your unrequited hate. Because people around you will not. You are to be pitied. You employ blacks? So what? So have I for twenty years. You seem to want a medal for acknowledging "your people". Go away. You are a pathetic racist pig little ball of hate (with my apologies to Michael Peca – he's a hockey player so you wouldn't know about him)

          • djs

            Hate? Not hardly. I'm merely pursuing independence for my people. I'm not interested in any type of retaliation for your misdeeds. Violence isn't the answer. My people are more than capable of taking care of each other. I will never discriminate against anyone who wants to support or help my program. However, due to prior lessons learned, we will be in control of our destiny and will not share control with the white race.

          • djs

            This is typical White Supremist behavior on your part. The minute I speak of dropping you like a bad habit you cry racism. Why? We have been unable to receive fair treatment from your kind so we will seek independence. What's your beef? I'm not sure except your bigoted ways don't want African people to seek independence. Well as your Bible tells you there's nothing you can do about it. When the smoke clears the so-called black man and woman will be free from White Supremacy!

          • Meshuggahboy

            Doc, I'm glad you're finally seeing this tool for what he really is. You gave him the benefit of the doubt for too long. We're dealing the next Jesse Jackson here.

          • docjohndenver

            Yeah, Mesh. My fault. I do tend to try to give the benefit of the doubt to people. But this guy is a black skinhead. He has bought into all this melanin garbage. Hmm.. must have missed that in the New England Journal, the Journal of the American Medical Association, Family Medicine Annals, Annals of Internal Medicine, etc. And a racist pig like this would say, "That's all the white man's propaganda. Tell me, Mesh, how do I make any headway encouraging young people in my office when they are being exposed to hate like this. Oh, well. This guy isn't worth the time. Sorry I was foolish on this one. One thing I have learned for sure: a racist stays a racist.

          • ant

            Funny guy, ain't he? Flippin' loony-tune, conspiracy-nut and hater. I'm no scientist but I'm pretty sure whites are white because they lived North where less protection is needed from the sun, and darker skinned people evolving in areas of the world where the sun is stronger and the days longer. Also said to have attributed to traits such as the shape of the nose, height, etc. Yet, this genius equates environmental factors in people's biological make-up into some 'to the bone' mental and spiritual deficiency. Truly, if he never took his hood off, he'd fit right in with the KKK or Aryan Nation.

          • djs

            Your loony to believe 60 million so-called black people in AmeriKKKa are going to be okay with your hiprocracy. You want us to be okay with you racist institution (let bygones be bygones) while you tell Mexicans they can't cross the border into a land that your savage cracker forefathers stole in the first place. That's a load of BS. Like I said I'm not looking for all 60 million to get on board (I'm sure Kevin Jackson is out) however 1.8 million is a very reasonable figure. We will succeed. God is on our side.

          • Meshuggahboy

            I'd say you're already doing the most important thing to encourage young people – setting a good example. Luckily, when someone as ridiculous as djs comes along, it's easy for others to see right through them, so there's still hope for the younger ones.

          • docjohndenver

            Hopefully you're right.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            Doc. Mad respects to you sir. By the same token, I can't in good faith allow that stuff to stand so I speak out (Or type) and I'm one to do it in person as well as online. Been doing so for a very long time. Some see it as racist, some see it as discussion/debate some see it as "Showing my true colors"… Which to this date have yet to be proven. I'm one of those idiots that take offense to the term YET do not defend it by announcing my "Black friends" or whatever the usual defense of the term yields. I put it on them to prove it. Show me in my lifelong resume where I ever gave a person a bad shake based on his/her paint job. Not there anywhere…

            Fight the good fight on both sides. We will eventually win the war but there's going to be a lot of casualties on the way.

          • djs

            Do you really think I'm ridiculous? Who do you think my people will support. A racist establishment that wouldn't hire them for whatever reason or someone that would overlook their flaws and give them an opportunity. That's an easy answer. My support will grow as I continue to partner with my fellow Black Entrepeneurers and create jobs for my disenfranchised brethren. Stay in denial actions speak louder than words.

          • djs

            The New England Journal, The American Medical Association, Family Medicine Annals, Annals of Internal Medicine, Etc. are all White Supremist organizations dispersing lies and misinformation.

          • djs

            MeSoHorny, Jesse Jackson and I are like oil and water. Jesse seeks to satisfy his slavemaster and hold black people hostage under this White Supremist system. Your name calling only gives more credence to my assertion that most white people are bigots. You want me to go away? I will not go away, your bigot ancestors stole me and forced me to come here and work to build your nation which you've benefited from.

          • ant

            You must be very old if you were personally stolen by the ancestors of others. What did you do exactly? Build the railroad, the Hoover Dam,? Did you invent the Blues too?
            You know, the Irish starved while Britain exported what food they did have…I think I'll stay angry too…I hear it's good for your health.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            Not exactly factual djs. There's already been plenty of uses of the law by BLACK people STANDING UP TO OTHER BLACK people who were robbing them. And let me tell you a little something about the law djs. The law doesn't specify WHO can claim its use. You shoot a thug of any color and YOU better be able to prove it was self defense.

            Your comment to stand your ground law is a good sound bite but it's extremely wrong and factually inaccurate. IF white folks became the #1 race in home invasion robberies I'd expect and APPLAUD the rise in body count of homeowners taking them out. Black white green or yellow.
            My recent post Stand Your Ground Law under attack…

          • djs

            Key phrase in your statement. "Black people standing up to other black people who were robbing them." As anyone knows the law is not absolute, that's why attorneys present their cases. It all depends on who is making, interpreting, and enforcing the laws. We all know who the winner of that triple crown is. It's easy for someone who isn't the subject of systematic racism to claim its nonexistence or to say that was in the past. That's part of the whole issue in this country. The absolute existence of systematic racism and the denial of it by the white establishment and its citizens.

        • docjohndenver

          well said, Robert. I just am always a little anxious about untrained people deciding who is suspicious and who is not. I see people in my office as new patients who turn out to be entirely different than what I expect seeing them in the waiting room. But I want to be clear: I believe in the second amendment, I believe in the right of self-defense, and I believe in right-to-carry laws. It just seems like zimmerman went over the line because he really didn't immediately delineate a real action of Trayvon's that was concerning. Still, I believe the justice system will hash all this out and making it into another Tawana Brawley incident is goofy and wrong.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            Doc. Do we know he wasn't trained? is there any record of him attending anything offered by the PD in the area? (I doubt he has but…) the reason I ask, is I am a neighborhood watch ACTIVIST. I've been involved in several things in partnership with our local LEO's. There's some training that's offered and Ive went to a few of those. Ride alongs, helicopter flights, investigation volunteering. I've never shot anyone, nor pulled my firearm on anybody but I've also never been assaulted during my walk throughs.

            We in my "hood" do walk throughs. We actively WATCH our area. That sign on the street isn't just for looks. The guy had a legitimate concern based on his observing something "odd"… SO what if he may have been wrong, that was up to the LEO's to determine. We are trained to CALL if something doesn't seem right. He did. He gave all the info he could. According to the 911 call, you can tell his breathing stopped being heavy after he was told "We don't need you to do that"… Had he continued running or following his breathing would have stayed hastened. He said Okay and within seconds his breathing returned to normal.

            I don't know what happened. Nobody knows other than those who were there. We should allow the justice system to work and not try to influence it by adding racial inferences.

            There's a lot of stuff we don't know about Zimmerman but more is coming out and its totally opposite of what the race baiters have said to this point.

            Let me also ask this: IF Zimmerman is arrested and it goes to trial.. As is now all the "Involved" want… What happens if a jury finds him not guilty? Do we have Rodney King riots in Sanford?

          • docjohndenver

            I hear everything you said here, Robert. And because neighborhood watches make me nervous in some ways doesn't mean I think they are wrong. I just think good training is important and the right person needs to be doing the observing. But yours is a compelling post and none of us really know what happened. Except for djs, he knows that it was a scientific melanin deficiency.

          • Yngblkcons

            Zimmerman's father claims Zimmerman pursued Martin well after the 911 call.

            Of course Zimmerman's father also claims Martin saw Zimmerman's gun but chose to completely ignore it for a full minute up until Zimmerman killed him, so I don't take everything Zimmerman's father said at face value.

            As I've noted before, to believe Zimmerman's account, one has to believe that he and Martin switched psycho and victim hats the minute Zimmerman got off the phone, and its much more in keeping with what had gone before that play cop Zimmerman decided to run down the goon (or coon, it doesn't matter) rather than wait for the police to respond.

            ———-

            Even though a dispatcher told George Zimmerman not to follow Martin, his father said his son continued his pursuit to locate an address to give to police.

            "He lost sight of the individual, he continued to walk down the same sidewalk to the next street, so he could get an address for the police," he said.

            Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/trayvon_mart

          • Yngblkcons

            On a related note, by all accounts Zimmerman was a frequent caller who in this case didn't call in anything alarming (guy walking in the neighborhood!!!) so I strongly suspect the slow police response to his call was the response he usually got and perhaps he was fed up.

          • Yngblkcons

            Whether or not Zimmerman is racist is immaterial (its been my theory from the beginning that his confrontation with Martin was fueled not by racism but by his desire to play cop), his behaviour that night was that of a nut.

          • docjohndenver

            Best post yet on this subject. Congrats.

        • Yngblkcons

          Zimmerman stalking and running after Trayvon (a fact Zimmerman concedes) puts him in the wrong. Its not a matter of being bold, its a matter of being sane.

          Zimmerman wasn't playing the role of neighborhood watch, he was playing cop. I've never heard of neighborhood watch stalking and confronting people, and I've never heard of them killing anyone.

          As for Stand Your Ground, by the account of the men who wrote it, it wasn't intended to allow nutjobs to pick fights and then murder the other guy if he wins the fight. If police are reading it that way (and it sounds like they have in a couple cases) perhaps clarification is needed.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            He ran after Trayvon? Zdoes that mean Trayvon was running from him? Could it also mean Zimmerman was trying to see where trayvon was going and he was behind a good distance?… The stand your ground law doesn't apply in this case truly. The self defense or justifiable homicide laws do. The stand your ground law is your right to stand rather than be forced to retreat before using lethal force. You have the right in FLA to stand. In CA I have to retreat first. I also have to show and be able to prove my life was in danger should I have to take one to save it.

            I love the stand your ground law and the castle doctrine. I think ALL Americans should embrace that law. There but by the grace of GOD go I. You can be accosted, you can throw a lucky punch and kill a guy. YOU can be tried for murder if you don't try and run first?… How silly is that? Americans don't like to hide and run. We stand.

            Please, we need to wake up. We are allowing very dangerous people to walk the same streets you walk. Prisons are over crowded and releasing felons in mass. Your wife, your kids, ALL of us should be able to defend ourselves and criminals don't obey gun laws do they?
            My recent post Rocket takes off From CA…

          • Yngblkcons

            Running away from a cop is suspicious. Running away from a random nutjob is just common sense, especially when that nutjob is A) in his car and B) possibly armed. Who wants to be the victim of a drive-by shooting?

            I agree dangerous people are walking the same streets I walk, but one of them is a play cop named Zimmerman.

          • docjohndenver

            Agreed again.

    • djs

      That's an incredible what if Robert. You must have some point worked in law enforcement. Or do white people in general come up with these ridiculous explanations as to how they killed a young black male in cold blood. Unfortunately, Robert you people have a long and sordid history of bloodshed and murder among other atrocities.

      • docjohndenver

        djs, referring to Robert (who has not said anything unreasonable even if you don't agree with him) as "you people" is quite telling about the small box that your mind is. The fact is, it's 2012. Whether a victim is black or white is meaningless. Human life is precious and priceless. Clearly you see the world as "us" against "them". It is sad.

        • Djs

          I was merely responding to what was in the statement. I agree all human life is precious. Don't become self righteous all of a sudden. You've had 500 years to tell your people to stop destroying humanity. Don't try and turn me into a villain. It is us against them. The Us are human beings and the Them are the wolves in sheep's clothing lying to and deceiving the masses of the meek that inhabit the earth.

        • djs

          By the way you never disputed my statement of a long and sordid history of murder and bloodshed. I take it you don't dispute that assertion and your trying to deflect attention away from the obvious misdeeds of your brethren. Your words are an expression of a guilty conscience. Just admit your race is responsible for the human suffering and stand with the meek to release the death grip these devils have on the human race.

          • Yngblkcons

            Are you a member of the Nation of Islam? I ask because the racist nonsense you are spouting fits with what they normally spew.

            No race has a monopoly on evil or good. Also, people are only responsible for their own actions.

            America isn't perfect, but if you think the rest of the world is better, travel abroad or simply study the world a bit and you will be disabused of the notion. America is not the Garden of eden, but we are more egalitarian than the vast majority of countries in the first or third world.

          • djs

            For the record I'm not currently nor have I ever been a member of the Nation of Islam. I have read some of Minister Farrahkhan as well as founder Elijah Muhummad's books. Some of what they teach is actually coroborated by white scientists and historians. Is what I say racist because it points the finger at someone other than black people? You're correct when you say people are responsible for their own actions. So why when confronted with their misdeeds do white people point to the violence others are and have committed? Why not own up to it and say this will not happen anymore. America isn't perfect. Who's asking for perfection? The denial of systematic racism is only putting gasoline on a grease fire. Oh, by the way, the corporate thugs that run this nation are running it into the ground. You can continue to deny all you want. America is only beginning to pay for its transgressions.

      • http://americanandproud.net Robert

        Yeah that part is true djs. "We People" long ago did "oppress" YOUR PEOPLE. But it's also true YOUR People are more likely to commit crimes than My People… hows that for projection and deflection?…. Saying that gets me labeled a racist but your hatred of "My People" is okay right?

        The fact is, I don't give a damn what paint job you have. I couldn't care less. I believe as MLK believed the content is much more important than color. And until YOU PEOPLE realize that the vast majority of WHITE PEOPLE feel that very same way NOW you will be chained to the past.

        Many people who have a darker complexion than I have realized the dream is attainable. Unfortunately for those not willing to shake the crutch the struggle continues. Easier to blame than succeed I guess.

        As far as my "What if" It's very plausible and it very well could have happened like that. It could also have happened like "Zimmerman took the law into his own hands and confronted Trayvon, Trayvon took offense to it and whooped his ass, Zimmerman then pulled a gun and shot him because he was pissed he got his ass whooped."…

        My what if leaves room for variations but you know what? I didn't need to blame racism for it. I didn't need to label either one as a thug or a kkk member. I will wait till the facts come out and side with the facts. I just wish others in the MSM would do the same before fanning the history flames.

        I've never owned a slave, I've never oppressed anyone and I'll be damned if I'm held accountable for what my great great grandparents did as they were forming this nation. A lot of victims during the 200+ years this nation was being formed. Tough luck, but remember this: There has been slavery of ALL types throughout the history of the world. Religion/Race/Location played the biggest share. Black people do not OWN the slavery crutch alone.
        My recent post Stand Your Ground Law under attack…

        • djs

          Your true feelings came out. I applaud that I already knew how you felt from your first comment about the racist Zimmerman. Were you aware he referred to Trayvon using the racial slur COON? Maybe you weren't or maybe because it came from the MSM it's not to be trusted or reliable. The same corporate thugs that control MSM also control this internet and every other media outlet in the world. Are you really that shallow? They will give different accounts of the story and publish them in "different media outlets".

          • Robert

            My true feelings came out? this part "The fact is, I don't give a damn what paint job you have. I couldn't care less. I believe as MLK believed the content is much more important than color." or is that like everything else you've CHOSE to parrot? Missed it…

            Corporate thugs? Ahhh, we've got an occupy wall street'r… Soo, I'm gonna take a stab at this. Djs is a disgruntled employee or former employee who has been victimized by some white devil? or is living so far in the past he's not off the reservation yet…. Wake UP djs there is injustice to and by ALL COLOR. You can choose to be victim and elicit sympathy from the uninformed or you can fight to not be a victim by being the best you can be. IF you are not chosen for a position perhaps there was someone more qualified…OH NOOOOoo that can't be it….

            Anyone look to see what Zimmerman did when the cops beat a homeless BLACK man? Did anyone see that story? I'll come back and check once you google it djs and explain how a racist hispanic/white man would be placing flyers and trying to organize the black community to action over that one… funny it don't fit the narrative does it?

  • DJS

    Wow. You have all been whitewashed. I'm not here to attempt to change your minds. You are truly the products of Willie's Lynch. Black teenagers commit far more crimes than other races. That is mathematically impossible. What your response should've been; crimes commited by black teenagers are reported at a disproportionate rate in comparison to their counterparts. As we all know; white teenagers commit crimes constantly that are either not reported or expounged from their records at some point. Just based on your point of view I will classify you as either a lap dog or a stool pigeon. You must have somehow forgotten Africans were brought here to work and build this country with no compensation. We were robbed of our culture, god, legacy, knowledge of self, and dignity. We were not allowed to communicate with one another, we were also not allowed to read or write. We were physically tortured, raped, beaten, and murdered as the savage cave dwelling cracker saw fit.

    • docjohndenver

      Grow up. Screeds like this are more appropriate on the Huffpost. Calling people crackers and going on and on about the distant past is pathetic.

      • Djs

        I still know. You can't run from your past. Man up and help bring about a resolution that's acceptable. Just believing it will go away will cause you to become more delusional. Do you believe few share my thoughts and opinions. Don't be foolish. There are roughly 60 million blacks in this country. 3% of 60 million is 1.8 million disgruntled black men and women yearning for a change. I didn't call you a cracker so why are you upset about a general term.

        • docjohndenver

          Man up?! That is truly funny from someone who blames every problem on the past oppression of "his people". I am offended by cracker when used to describe people you don't like just like I would be offended by the word "darkie" when used to describe all blacks. It makes no difference if it is used personally or in a more general sense. And BTW, what can I do to bring a "resolution"? I spend 12-16 hours a day in a mostly minority, very poor part of North Aurora. I say this to make you think, not to go too into my life. This neighborhood is where I went to high school, it's where I go to church, my old buddies bring their kids to me. It's a great life. But other than eating and sleeping, it pretty much eats up my whole day. What would you have me do differently? Think like you? Not a chance. I, like Robert, believe in MLK's vision. It does not include the disillusioned race-baiting garbage that you spew. Bye.

          • djs

            Some parts I actually agree with. Some of my comments are in fact race baiting. For the most part there is nothing to be gained from them other than a reaction. I at least have your attention. Please stop using the term minority. Unless you consider people of color to be less than their white counterparts.This is a racist term that psychologically has an adverse effect on those whom the term is used to describe. What would I have you do differently? I know this sounds bad but it depends on your ethnicity. If you're black then open your mind up to self reliance and independence. Everyone else has a foundation and independence in this country except the poor so-called black man and woman. The Arabs,Hispanics,Whites, and all other ethnic groups look out for and take care of themselves. The so-called black men and women spend their entire lives taking care of everyone else except themselves.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, so now the term "minority" is not allowed?! That's news to the three thousand black patients in my office and the two thousand Hispanics who use the term all the time. Then is Mitch McConnell being self-derisive when he refers to himself as the Senate Minority Leader. The word minority means the smaller group in number when a larger group is divided. Have you ever heard the term "majority decision" (like in, say, the coming supreme court decision)? Watch out, djs. Look behind every tree. There may be a racist. Hehe. You are truly a funny Don Quixote who has exchanged perceived racial insults for windmills. But I appreciate the comic relief between patients.

          • djs

            MLK was used for a purpose and when it had been accomplised he was murdered by the government because he went outside the script and stuck his nose in where it didn't belong. I know the present generation believes black men and women have always been criminals living off public aid. This is a racist perception. If you do your homework you will find many blacks were business savy entrepeneurers who helped establised many outstanding black towns and communities in this country. Unfortunately the racist establishment could not stand to see its former slaves prosper in such a way despite every attempt to hold them down. MLK was brought on the seen to unwittingly remove Jim Crow laws so that blacks would now concentrate on "sitting at the lunch counter" with whites as opposed to continuing to build their own communities. It worked like a charm as you can see the state of the black community today.

          • djs

            You can refer to me as a racist if you like. Nothing could be further from the truth. It would be a lot easier if everyone viewed each other as a human being and looked out for one another. That is however a fantasy for a fantasy world. You see whether you want to admit it or not, those who are in control have a vested interest in keeping the population divided. They use Religion, Politics, Race, Sexual Preference, and anything else at their disposal to keep the people fighting amongst themselves. The 1%ers as they are called want to keep you a slave. If you don't believe me then read your bible. It clearly talks about this and I don't mean just black people but the masses of people as a whole.

          • djs

            I know how I started blogging, but I actually have a lot of substance to share. The opening was to get your attention. Don't get me wrong I have a very strong personality and I will at times come off as a racist. I have no problem with that and I know my point(s) get lost in those instances. I am a human being with an awareness of myself and my past and it gets me going. The jews have no problem saying "We don't forgive and we don't forget" but I get called a racist for the same attitude. Now can we get back to Trayvon or whatever subject you would like to have an open forum on.

  • ant

    Wahhh. Let's all us various races and creeds spend forever reflecting and seething with hatred on past injustices done to our fore-fathers. Yeah, that's productive. In fact, let's all just hate God, he brought us all here in the first place, right? He is the architect of life. It's his fault that your ancestors were brought to a place, that in the end, for whatever wrongs were brought on them, actually ended up benefitting you, their descendant. The person RIGHT now with a computer, surrounded by opportunity to make a decent wage for labor (others aren't so lucky, despite Obama's attempt to "level our playing field" to that of a third-world nation), to eat and clothe yourself, and have the freedom to express your opinion, beliefs and religion, without threat of death or imprisonment. Damn God, what an a*hole he was, that you should end up here…so full of hate and poison.

    • ant

      BTW, I also heard Jesse saying that imprisoning blacks was 'big money business' for the white man. And I'm still trying to figure that out, maybe you could help me. How does having a white business man pay taxes to house, feed, etc. a convicted offender benefit him more than, for example, hiring a law-abiding black man to work for him. With all the people we have in prison, I must be getting ripped off because I haven't received my cut of this great money-making scheme. I live in Philly too, where crime is rampant, so I should be getting a check anyday now, right?

      • djs

        Mr. Ant man you're absolutely clueless to what your own race is doing to you. The wealthiest 1% of people in this world didn't come into this wealth from hard work. They stole it. The worst part is they use idiots like you to take part in the scheme and don't even share the loot. For example: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and any other war you can think of. They tell you brainwashed uneducated hillbillies the terrorists are coming to get you then your dumb ass signs up to "protect your country" and the rest is history. Check out the VA hospitals across this country and you'll find out how much your partiotism is appreciated. All the oil wells that were hijacked and you're paying over $4 a gallon for gasoline. Can you possibly get any dumber? Good luck at the polls idiot.

        • ant

          "They tell you..the terrorists are coming to get you.." Yeah, they really have to tell us that because none of us can see the destruction and murder that's been perpetrated by the 'Religion of Peace'…. I suppose 'they' have fabricated the some 120,000 individual terrorist acts of moon-god worshippers they past 10 years.

          "The wealthiest 1%..they stole it". Of course, the founder of Home Depot didn't grow his chain up from one corner hardware store..he robbed a liqour store for that money. And nobody of course voluntarily spends their money for goods and services, like Apple Ipods, or Walmart shopping..we are forced at gun-point to eat at McDonalds..of course, how could I be so stupid? Now Occupy, maybe I could spend my hard-earned money with them..now that would be well-spent, no? Let me ask you though..how do we end up with so many millionaire politicians when they don't even have goods and services to sell us, do not employ people personally? Obama, Pelosi, and others barely engage in commerce at all..and yet THEY are rich…,so, who's stealing?

    • djs

      I'm not really sure but I think you're a self hating self loathing Negro (Dead from the neck up) When you don't have a legitimate rebuttal you bring God into the equation. Or do you mean Dog. Only a Dog would treat human beings with the amount of disrespect that the savage bloodthirsty Caucasian race of devils have treated not only people of color but themselves as well. A true devil has no boundaries they will kill their mother, their own children and anyone or anything else that happens to be in their path when its time to feed their blood frenzy. So you're barking up the wrong tree when you refer to someone full of hate and poison. You might want to ask your massa why he hates black people so much.

      • ant

        I have to ask, and don't get me wrong, I actually respect your opinion, as misguided and paranoid racist I think it is. Are the 'white devils' strictly the Republicans or are Democrats included in this equation? They have a history of perpetuating seemingly endless wars and conflicts. What is your opinion of Obama?
        Also, what were the white devils contribution to the death and destruction caused by Imperial Japan or the advancement of Islam into Europe, or the rampages of the Moors and Genghis Khan? The slaughter by machete in the tribal wars in Africa against the Hutues(?) Boko Harim in Africa targeting Christians?…also white devils?

        • djs

          Democrat and Republican are interchangeable. Only sheeple are foolish enough to believe they are fighting one another to serve the needs of the public. You're correct endless wars and conflicts perpetuated by whom. Since we know who runs not only this country but the world itself. Obama is a puppet like all presidents. I don't know him personally, however my intuition tells me he is no different than all of the other presidents. He is a yes man everything scripted and he follows orders or you would find he had a terrible accident or something to that effect.

        • djs

          I have never said white devils were the only devils. I can't comment on Imperial Japan or Islam moving into Europe. Your dancing around the subject. Europe never had any of its people stolen from their homeland and stripped of the knowledge of self, God, and culture. No people in history have ever been treated like the so-called black man here in Amerikkka. If you find any you let me know. My issue with white people is trying to erase it like it never happened even though your racist ways continue to this day and also not repaying for the damage done to generations of so-called black people in this country. Slaves built major parts of this country and were never compensated. Black towns were burned to the ground and once again no compensation. Is it really unreasonable to ask for compensation since you're the beneficiary of your ancestors wickedness and savagery.

      • Meshuggahboy

        Funny how animals like you are still happy to hold your hand out and accept gifts from us evil tyrants in the form of welfare, affirmative action, etc.

        I wonder how many times you've had to stand in front of a judge and explain that nothing is your fault because you're not white.

        • djs

          That's about as trailer park hillbilly redneck cracker of a comment I have heard in awhile. Why dont you pull out of your sister while you're typing. Have you asked your neighbors how many of them get welfare. I'm sure the mailman makes a few stops in your trailer court.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, comments like "pull out of your sister" are beyond the pale. Why is it that vile comments like that come from the left? Well, because their morals are situational. There is always someone to blame so moral absolutes are gone. Please at least be remotely civil. One of the things that makes this site different is that it is usually devoid of this crap. You are not just a racist. You're abhorrent.

          • djs

            You're absolutely correct. That was uncalled for. I'm not a racist I have had 5 white people over for dinner in the last 2 weeks.

          • docjohndenver

            At least you admit it was wrong. That's a start. Glad you have white friends. Congratulations. You've gotten to about 1950. Keep working on it. ;)

          • ant

            So, you eat 2.5 white people a week?

          • djs

            That's pretty funny ant. (Another Negro-hating Trailer park tramp)

          • djs

            Are you going to chastise MeSoHorny for the comments he made about affirmative action and welfare?

          • Meshuggahboy

            Why should I be chastised when you come on here acting like a typical woe-is-me racist who blames everything on the white race in spite of everything that's been done to improve relations over the last fifty years? If you act like a gutter-dwelling crackhead then I'm going to treat you like one. And now you say "I'm not racist" even though every other word on your posts yesterday was "cracker" – you brought it on yourself, Einstein.

            Hey, Downsouth and Middle Thinker, if you're still out there – how does it feel to be on the same side as DickJockeyS here? Embarassing, isn't it?

          • djs

            I'm still here MeSoHorny. You're kidding about everything thats been done to improve race relations right? The word cracker was used to describe individuals doing crackerish things. I'm sorry you took offense to this term unless you too are guilty of crackerish misdeeds. I know you're probably too young to know anything, but 50 years ago crackers were sicking their police dogs and opening their fire hydrants full blast on black men, women, and children. Black people were denied the everyday rights that should have been afforded to us since we basically built this country for free. Around the same time crackers introduced a new trampled on form of cocaine to the black neighborhoods which you now know as crack. This drug was scientifically formulated to help destroy the minds of young black men and women. Why don't you do a little research on Cointellpro and it will explain to you the governments intentional geonocidal programs on so-called black people in this country. Today the war against black people is more physiological and psychological as opposed to the downright brutality used in prior years.

          • Meshuggahboy

            Your whole "we're vicitms" theme is a joke, considering this quote from one of your posts:

            Melanin is also responsible for many other functions of the human body including brain function. Of course the white establishment would never admit to this fact otherwise that would be a concession of inferiority due to a lack of melanin.

            If you think the black race is so superior and smart comapred to white people, why the hell haven't you been able to stop any of these so-called "misdeeds"? Shouldn't you be able to see problems coming and do something to head them off before anything happens? You're a joke.

          • djs

            Hey MeSoHorny you might want to do a little research. Civilization came from the Nile Valley in Africa. (The Garden of Eden in your Bible). We are a little unsure where you came from but you where white as snow (leprosy) also in your bible. From day one you did nothing but cause trouble. Soon you had the different tribes fighting amongst one another and something had to be done. So you were driven from the Garden. (All of this stuff is in your Bible. You see Adam isn't one person. Do a little research and you'll find Adam is short for the Adamic race of people. It clearly defines you as being pale so the blood shows through the skin.

          • djs

            There is a part in your bible that describes Jacob doing some manipulating with the genes of cows to change their skin from dark to light. Doesn't this sound familiar. (Cloning or selective breeding) Also do a little research on the lost books of the Bible. There's one I believe called the book of Adam and Eve. This describes the Adamic races journey once they were driven from the Garden of Eden. You spent two thousand years away from civilization in the caves and hillsides of Europe (Europe means to be roped in) Why do you think you're referred to as cave dwellers. Why do you think you like raw meat and you're in love with dogs. This was your reality for two thousand years away from civilization.

          • djs

            I don't why he did it, but Moses came to bring you demons back to civilization. ( I'm not making this stuff up it's in your Bible) Sure as shit you were back at it again and it wasn't too long before you were able to seize control and spread your wicked tribes across that region. There are many books that discuss the Adamic races nomadic nature. Every civilization you came into contact with you robbed it and destroyed. The world had never seen anyone with such a bloodthirsty violent disposition. Yet there was an attraction to them. (Opposites attract likes repel)

          • djs

            The history of your ancestors can be traced back a little over 6000 years. From that point in history there has been an endless pattern of wars, bloodshed, and murder. Civilization started long before the birth of the Adamic race. To this day your brilliant white architects and engineers can't duplicate the bulidings erected by Africans thousands of years ago. The entire foundation of the Adamic civilization is based on forgery, plagirizm, bloodshed, murder, thievery and deception.

          • djs

            It's easy for white people to downplay the significance of prior and current misdeeds when you have an increasing number of lap dogs who you now will sit down with and break bread at the lunch counter. These lap dogs will second anything you say as long as you continue to allow them the privilege of inhaling your second hand smoke and sharing your hack and snot at the lunch counter. So munch on that MeSoHorny

          • ant

            Meshuggaboy has lunch with the 'journalists' of MSNBC?

          • Meshuggahboy

            How about you munch on this, DirtyJSanchez – I was never a slave owner and you were never a slave. If your life isn't what you want it to be it's not my fault, it's yours. Just how much success do you expect to attain in life off of white guilt, anyway? You're not going to get any from me, so maybe you should take your "superior melanin" and put it towards something useful. You'd be surprised at how much more you get done as opposed to when you bitch and hold your hand out all the time.

          • djs

            I like that one DirtyJSanchez. You actually have a working knowledge of the english language. I must apologize for the hillbilly inference earlier. Your response to me proves my point about your lack of melanin. You see you're genetically predisposed to violence. You're easlily angered and baited into conflict. That's because you think with the left side of your brain which is the destructive side. There's very little creativity that can come from the left side of the brain thinking individual. I'm not looking for your pity or a handout from your people. We actually would like to get away from you, but Marcus Garvey tried that and your racist government did everything they could to hold black people right here in AmeriKKKa.

          • djs

            I'm indeed pursing a movement of independence minded black people who will be self sufficient and economically free of the death grip AmeriKKKa has had on us for over 500 years. So you can put your hands back in your pocket and keep your crumbs we aren't interested. My plan is already in motion and you will soon become aware of it. So in closing this thought MeSoHorny, my superior melanin is at use and you can get back to your denial game.

          • ant

            Bye! Might I suggest Somalia? I hear the fishing is nice.

          • djs

            Another white supremist idea in your brain. "Sure you can leave darkie why don't you go to the poorest part of the world and try and survive without your master". At the rate this country is going you'll be flying first class to Somalia looking for refuge. What's the debt up to? 13 trillion or so. You will reap what you sow. The hip hip hooray parade is all but a thing of the past. Tens of thousands of decendents of former slave and plantation owners crying about the tax burden and their pensions being raided.

          • djs

            Complaining about Mexicans crossing the border. It ain't your country anyway. Remember you stole it. Not only did you steal it you used biological warfare to unnecessarily take something I'm sure the Natives would've gladly shared. No your greed and savage nature took over. What goes around comes around. Tornadoes ripping through the heartland like a knife through hot butter. People losing their minds as they try and figure out what happened to their comfortable standard of living. It's falling apart and I'm sure in your last ditch effort to salvage what's left you will attempt to revert back to your Jim Crow days. You know "White's Only."

          • ant

            Coo-coo for cocoa puffs.

          • djs

            Is that the right side of your brain at work? (The right side is the creative side) You may want to shop for some melanin pills.

          • djs

            You can set them next to your enzyte.

          • Meshuggahboy

            Great, I'd love to hear how you're going to take Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton out of the picture so that the victim mentality is gone and everyone has faith in themselves instead of the government.

            I can almost hear the crickets chirping already.

          • djs

            I'm going to say something that will shock the hell out of you. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have done more to set black people back in the last 25 years than any negative stereotyping done by the white media. Caught you off guard with that one I bet.

          • docjohndenver

            are you sure you didnt steal all this take over the world stuff from a PINKY AND THE BRAIN episode? Now that we know you are a tinfoil hat racist looney tune waiting for your motown mothership to come take the "melanin-blessed" away we can really have fun. first question: does a whitey with multiple melanocytic nevi have all of your superpowers? Or how about someone with neurofibromatosis? If I get a smoking tan can I be part of the "he-man whitey hater club"? I'm getting sick of these violent pale-faces. Second question: is Jason Kidd part of you "people"? I can never tell. I mean, yeah he can hoop but what melanin man would shoot one of those casper the friendly ghost set shots?

          • djs

            Wow! You see how easy it is to pull the foolish redneck out of you. No response to my history and bible lesson. You can't dispute what your own scientists and historians coroborate so you resort to redneck humor. Very typical response. You people are so damn silly you can't differentiate your elbow from your a-hole. I'm more of a messenger than anything else. You can't come back and say you weren't warned.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, you really are quite the messenger indeed. In fact, I think we should start calling you Minister DJS. Please write a memoir about your journey into racial spirituality. It takes a joke to not recognize an obvious joke. One of my neighbors (who happens to be half black half white) is sitting here and we are laughing our "elbows" off. I am going out on a limb here, but I have probably read more about genetics, origins, medicine, biochemistry ,etc than you have. Heck some of it has even been written by your superpowered melanin brethren. And NONE of it coroborates your nonsense. On the other hand it is very funny now to have a clown to laugh at.. You know,….I never really liked clowns until now.

          • djs

            Go figure. They got you drinking cow's milk because it does a body good. You idiot, cow's milk is for a suckling calf. They tell you life expectancy is increasing despite the fact one third of the population is obese. Your own Bible tells you life expectancy decreased with the passing of Methuselah. It's like child's play. You people are being betrayed by your own and it tickles the hell out of me. NAFTA, CAFTA means fewer jobs for you genetically inferior caucasians. You're losing your minds blaming the black president for your problems. Last time I checked Obama didn't sign NAFTA or CAFTA

          • djs

            You don't think the one percenters know how foolish you are. Your grandparents allowed the control of the currency to be turned over to a foreign entity. Yes, if you didn't know the federal reserve is a consortium of ultra wealthy bankers that controls the currency policy in this nation. Inflation and deflation is nothing more than a game to them. Your market crash in 1929 was planned. Your little terroist attack in 2001 was planned. You're clueless and soon AmeriKKKa will be a third world nation.

          • djs

            Why? because what goes up must come down. The simple law of gravity will prevail. You're so foolish I could spend all night typing about the foolishness that submerses you daily. You idiots paint your chests and stand outside rooting for your favorite sports team in the middle of winter. The only reason I'm even wasting my time blogging is because I don't want someone to say you knew but you didn't warn them. Your country that your low class redneck slave owning forefathers established is on the brink of collapse.

          • djs

            Are you gonna do what those idiots on the Titanic did. The band kept playing even though the ship was going down. That shows how moronic and idiotic a group of white people are. Are you kidding me? Africans would've been turning over tables figuring out how to sail. We would've used table cloths and whatever else we could find to sail. That's the difference. White folk are complaining about the economy and black folk are carrying on.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, just keep writing this goofy stuff. I mean it's better than Comedy Central. And I really think multiple long screeds is always more effective, but keep in mind that us dumb whiteys have short attention spans so use small words and sentences. It is a little sad that what started as a serious topic can be reduced to a series of a Calypso-Louie goofy pronouncements by a single idiot like you. On the other hand nothing really new is coming out so there is not much to go on about Trayvon at this point. And to quote Dieter from "Sprockets": this conversation has become tiresome. Good night.

          • djs

            BTW if you'd like I can list at least a half dozen situations that I have personally witnessed racial discrimination from some cracker with a little bit of authority.

          • Meshuggahboy

            Big deal. You probably won't believe this, but I've been discriminated against by black people too. Does that mean I should blame it on you? Morons exist in every race. I'm not impressed by your victim mentality.

          • djs

            You keep referring to victim mentality. Is that what you call your governments response to hurricane Katrina. I'm not blaming you for anything except your denial of the existence of institutional racism in this country. It's easy for you to dismiss because you're not the target or the subject of it. Denying it doesn't diminish the fact that it happens everyday in this country. Because you get a lap dog or two to second your motion doesn't erase its existence.

          • djs

            You can trust me on this one. I'm no victim. Advancement and progression is what my focus is on moving forward. Your economy can crash and burn for all I care. My people have survived adversity in this land since the Mayflower landed in 1555. We will move forward and take our rightful places as an independent nation in due time. Come to think about it Kevin Jackson may have the same thing on his mind. Black people are absolutely ingenious. Some of us are just a little more outspoken than others.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, please don't stop. In a world that can be sad and depressing, humor is important.

          • Guest woman

            Here is a joke for ya doc. my favorite in fact. I went to sleep trying to read all the above "stuff".

            A southern woman is at a Northern party for the first time, being new in the area. Trying to meet people, she asks one of the "ladies" there:

            "Hello, where are you from?" and the "lady" looks at her and says:

            "Where I am from we do not end a sentence with a preposition"… and the new southern lady stops a minute and then she says:

            "Oh pardon me, so where are you from BITCH!"

            LOL just thought that may lighten your day. Cause I see you need some "comedic relief" :)

          • docjohndenver

            Guest woman, you are a GOD!

          • Meshuggahboy

            Hey Doc, what kind of pills would you prescribe for megalomania? I'm just trying to guess what meds djs has stopped taking.

          • docjohndenver

            Mesh, when I was at the VA twenty years ago as a resident people who were completely hallucinatory and psychotic spouting conspiracy theories got what we called "vitamin H" (haldol) There are newer, better ones of course, but why would we stop this guy? I haven't heard delusions like this since my pudgy uncoordinated best friend in high school told me he was planning to be a male model.

          • djs

            There's a section in your Bible that describes your attitude towards reality. Despite seeing the handwritting on the wall the tomfoolery amongst you people continues. Like a thief in the night your Bible describes the change coming your way sooner than you think. So laugh on and enjoy as your dollar plummets closer to oblivion.

          • djs

            Now back to Trayvon. I could've sworn Zimmerkkkman referred to young Trayvon as a Coon. You still believe this whole incident wasn't racially motivated? If I refer to you as a cracker then a few minutes later shoot you dead I would've just bought myself a trip to the electric chair. It doesn't matter if Trayvon was a known felon unless he was committing a crime while he was walking down the alley, what reasonable explanation does Zimmerkkkman have for accosting young Trayvon.

          • Meshuggahboy

            And guess what – the news agencies are now backtracking and admitting that Zimmerman didn't actually say it. They just heard what they wanted to hear and passed it off as news. I'm sure you'll be really outraged at the networks for mis-reporting it, though.

          • Meshuggahboy

            Oh, don't worry Doc – this is definitely getting funnier. It looks like we've just started hitting the right nerves to toy with him some more.

            Hey djs – just how much of your so-called plans involve other people's money but none of yours? I'm guessing you probably don't have Michael Jordan or Oprah Winfrey on board.

          • djs

            The plan is already working on a small scale. My partners are very enthusiastic if not over zealous. Baby steps is what I continue to preach. It's a marathon and not a sprint. Build the foundation properly and it will withstand any oncoming storm. I would love to get Michael or Oprah on board, but for obvious reasons if they ever decided to get on board no one could know.

          • djs

            I know its pretty humorous to think the so-called black man and woman have any kind of a future besides being a pimp or a whore. What's humorous is watching your country collapse while you bash Obama and cheer on your next great white hope Romney. Good luck with that one because, just like Obama, he doesn't give a damn about you either.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, I hate to make a serious comment in reply to such a buffoon but here goes: I was a white doctor's kid at a mostly black and latino inner city high school. Just curious, do you think I ever heard or saw any racial discrimination? OMG! Every day. It didn't stop me from loving my friends. Heck we go to church together and hang out to this day some 30 years later. Random acts of discrimination do not give you the right to be racist. Now beam yourself up to the mothership, hover overhead and find somewhere to plant your new master race. Maybe, lets say, Canada? If you go 100 miles north of the Canada-American border almost no people live there. Lots of natural resources, good fishing and whitey will stay down south where he belongs.

          • Guest woman

            ha ha ha…….. we are the minority in the south… go figure..but hell, who's counting. not me

          • djs

            More Whitesupremacy spewing from you DOC. Did you sing "we shall overcome"? Your people invented terms like "Master Race". What makes me a racist? Because I want my people to stop hating each other and feeling sorry for themselves. Once again the the thought that black people could be self-sufficient is driving you insane which makes you a racist and not even realize it. Buffoon- a gross, uneducated, or stupid person. Let me assure you I'm none of those.

          • Guest woman

            Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

          • Guest woman

            You may not be any of those things.. but you are most certainly BORING as hell.

            You MEN have been too nice. If you [ the world -you] come to my house and try to force your way in [ or grab me personally] whether or not you [ the world-you] are melanin deficient or ODing on it………. I will take out my gun, and I will shoot you in the face. Period. Simple. Over

          • djs

            Glad you could weigh in GW. I would recommend you change those initials. The country is still recovering from 8 years of GW stench.

          • ant

            You mean like B O ?

          • djs

            Yes Sir.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, not because you deserve it but just because I am proud of my heritage: First ten years of life in the jungle of Panama (dad and mom were medical missionaries) and the rest of my youth growing up in the inner city of Denver. Took me till I was in college to be in a school where there were more whites than blacks. And quite frankly I found it boring. I didn't invent the term "master race". But I do love the term "Mastercraft" because my wife wants to buy a used fishing boat which I think will make for an AWESOME summer! And just to be clear, I want everyone to be self-sufficient so I can keep more of my money to buy an I-phone, you know that one where you can talk to it.

          • djs

            Alrighty then. We agree self sufficiency is a good thing. Yeah I do know. I have one and its great. We will agree to disagree on many points and that's the purpose of a blog. If everyone agreed on everything it would become quite boring. So let's continue to entertain each other. I'm pretty sure GW is entertained as well.

  • Linky Drake

    So Linky Drake must be white? Oh, my!

    My hoodie has been snatched off and my cover has been blown!

    My clear, insightful commentary is a dead giveaway!

    In spite of what you may want to believe, Mr. Drake is not white.

    Thank you for your contribution to our discussion.

  • djs

    You're very welcome. Now that the ice has been broken we can begin to unbrainwash you. It may be a bit difficult and painful for you but you will be happy with the end result. Come home brother they have never accepted your kind and never will. I got nothing but love and open arms.

    • ant

      …and poison kool-aide.

    • http://americanandproud.net Robert

      Djs I gotta question a hypothetical if you will…

      You are walking down the street and see 4 big dudes, tattooed from wrist to neck head bands and bling. the guys are black. and they are in your way.. Do you keep goin and give them high fives? or do you alter your course?

      You see the same type guys but they are white with shaven heads same question which way do you go?

      The reason I ask is, you seem to place a lot of emphasis on color. To me, I'd be more likely to alter my course with bothj of them. Not because they were black or white but because their appearance tells me they have a bit of a problem in society.. I profile I guess. I think we all do to some degree. And If I don't have to walk by folks who may cause me to act to defend myself I can prevent it by altering my course that is a good choice I think. Not fear just common sense.

      My recent post Rocket takes off From CA…

      • ant

        'Profiling' is nature's way of keeping us alive. If I see a stray Pomerian on the street. I figure a harmless little dog has gotten away. If I see a stray pit-bull, my heart rate goes up.

        • ant

          If I see djs I figure the institution's are overcrowded and just hope he's been taking his medication.

          • djs

            Oh ant don't worry I'm harmless. Unless you're hell bent on keeping black people from coming together to do something positive to uplift themselves.

  • Guest woman

    Paranoia anyone?

  • http://americanandproud.net Robert

    Kevin… Sorry. I fell into a bit of a discussion that may have jacked this thread a bit. You have always been straight up about your beliefs and you are ABSOLUTELY correct in 99% of your writings. (I can't give anyone even me 100% no room for improvement then right?)

    Keep up the good work man. If you're driving them crazy you are doing something right.

    • djs

      I wish you would show me that kind of love. I'm jealous of Kevin. When I grow up I want to sell out just like him. Then maybe I would receive the love that I deserve.

      • Robert

        Yeah djs, I knew it wouldn't take long before you went to "Sell out"… Will there be an "Uncle Tom" comment next?… I mean don't be so half ass'd. Go all out in your warped mind.

        You've been found weak all over this thread, from many folks. You've been shown the light and refuse to walk toward it. That is very telling of your character and it's not a good story. Wake up djs, we got room for Americans in our camp. We don't have room for excuse makers and whiners. Man up son. It's going to happen eventually. One day you will see, the only obstacle in your path to success is YOU. When it happens, We'll be here waiting with open arms. As long as you are smart enough not to burn all the bridges on your path.

        • djs

          I woke up many years ago to find I was in a strange land amongst some very strange people. They did very weird things like run around in the nude and eat raw meat. When they would go a few days without grooming it was a very scary sight indeed. They all kept dogs, cats, and other creatures as house pets. These people were also very violent. Serial killings, mass murders and rapes were a frequent occurrence in this strange land. Maybe this is just a very long nightmare and hopefully I will wake up soon.

          • Robert

            HAhaha WOW, djs you do got it bad. I guess we'll meet on the field of battle one day or our kids or their kids. I guess that's better than dealing with it now… I'm good with it. Have a nice life don't let that chip on your shoulder eat into your soul too much.

            Doc you were right, I was wrong. But I had to try.

          • Robert

            Okay can't leave it like that: djs. Are you ready for the fun of a race war? is it something you dream about at night? All your "homies" going after whitey for all the wrongs committed? Do you really want that? Just to set your mind at ease I won't be participating… I'm one of those lone wolf types. I don't need nor want a group to belong to or a leader to follow. I'll be ME and I'll lead MY family. We'll be watching with popcorn and a beer.

            BUT as I have always done I get involved. If I see a group beating up on one, guess who I help? And I don't give a damn what color the "One" is.. If a group of white folks are beating up a black kid odds are the black kid will see a redneck white flash coming to his aid. And vise versa.

            Realize your mindset and those that succumb to that warped mentality will abandon it at the first sign of resistance. Some of us are tired of it already. Just a word of warning to ya son.

          • djs

            I'm not sure about your identity but judging from your post you too are melanin depleted. You're thinking with the left side of your brain. (The left side of your brain is the destructive or violent. The right side of your brain is the creative side) Do I want a race war? Why are AmeriKKKan citizens so infatuated with war. I'm helping to create an economic foundation for my people to establish an independent nation within a nation. We haven't received fair treatment from this country so it's best to seek refuge in one another. Some of us have been tired for a long time already. Just a nickel for ya thoughts son.

          • Robert

            You want a nation within a nation? so basically you want to take the benefits of our founders "WRONG" actions and live on with your own kind? Thats odd. Because our founders envisioned as is stated in the constitution and bill of rights that ALL are equal. It took a while for it to take granted. But it has been taking for a very long time. So why not take "your people" to another land. Or maybe the "Homeland" and forge your own nation? Why do you feel you have the right to do it here? We've been moving in the right direction and you and yours want to take it back?

            Odd to say the least but hey, if you really want your own nation for "your people" lets start a fund to get you to the promise land I'll make the first donation….There's several isolated areas in Africa or an island in the indies… Good luck.

          • djs

            I'm not talking about taking anything back except pride and dignity. What's wrong with having a town that's self sufficient, has no unemployment, and 0 crime.

          • djs

            There's plenty of land in this country to start a community. Why can't my group purchase this land and set up commerce in this area. That's supposed to be the AmeriKKKan way.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            djs you can… So can every cult leader in this nation it's free to do. You can fence in YOUR land and put on it whatever you want. You can run your own local government but you still must follow the FEDERAL laws. Meaning if you want to segregate by race, then you must be ready for law suits. I'd ask you to think how you would proceed if I set up a white only town right next to yours? Because that's the kind of guy I am. I wouldn't live there, but I'd sure as hell stir the pot.

            I want you to look at a couple of things djs. Look at the inner cities, LA, Atlanta, NY pick one. Look at the make-up of the local government. That's what is running YOU. Your LOCAL government has more control over you than the feds. Try running for office there for a start. But I guess bitching about whitey who is very absent in your local government is the problem.
            My recent post Egypt sends Rocket to Israel.

          • djs

            I'm not interested in running a cult. Nor am I interested in segregation. Unless of course, you mean segregating away from stupidity. You have painted an idea of what I want that's as false as grandma Bernice's teeth. You're are getting close to me calling you DAN. The local government collects the money and sends it to the State who in turns sends it to Washington DC. You can't possibly be naive enough to believe the local government has control over anything.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            wait a minute didn't you earlier state that you were denied a permit to build a house because you were black? Thats not a federal issue it's local so which is it? who is it that makes you so racist?
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          • djs

            Actually, if I were denied a permit to build a house because I was black that would fall under Fair Housing Discrimination Laws which are Federal. That's not quite what I said though. What makes me racist? Is it the terms which I have used to refer to white people? That doesn't make me racist. That just makes me blunt in my feelings towards caucasians that are in denial.

          • djs

            All jokes aside I'm pretty secure financially and I spend quite a bit of time in places that mostly Caucasians frequent because of economic limitations. There are Caucasians that travel in my group and we get along just fine. Now I know one can be put off by my bluntness, but after the swelling goes down I actually have good relationships with White people in general because they know where I stand and you will get it straight from me.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            admirable and when I say that about my black buds will you see that as condescending or racist? You'd be amazed at my local militia make up… We're chalk full of Americans, funny thing though, there's as many lopez's as smiths and Jones as McCarthy's… You want to be considered a friend of mine it's simple your person is forefront not your paint job. PERIOD. Any deviation from that and I bid you adios.

            I'm fairly secure as well, but ALL of us are but one poor choice or a poor choice by our leaders away from anarchy. The sooner you realize ones paint job in no way keeps you from it the better. Calling someone like Kevin a sell out is divisive. Blaming whitey for problems in the black community is weak and divisive.
            Standing up for ones rights is admirable. Make the distinction and you and I would be friends for life. Fail and you are nothing more than glorified slug in my eyes.

            You would be a kick in the ass to hang out with though. I bet we'd see common ground over a beer. Or we'd get thrown in jail for destruction of property and assault..
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          • djs

            I just looked back at it. If I were white that would've sounded real bad.(LOL) You're right, calling someone a sellout, especially when you don't know them is divisive and uncalled for. I was being blunt about my feelings. Trust me I'm far too busy to spend my time blaming Whitey.(Just so you know the term Whitey is old school) You know someday that may be possible to exchange thoughts and ideas over a beer or two. However I'll pass on the destruction of property and assault.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            See I knew you were no fun at all…I think we've "occupied" enough of Kevin's bandwidth with our back and fourth. We can agree to disagree on some things. Fine with me. Great country we live in aint it? We can have differing opinions.

            Feel free to visit my site and offer your opinons on what ever. But beware, some of my readers are less civil and I don't run interference or censor my comment area.

            That invite goes out to all of the readers of Kevin's site as well.
            My recent post Egypt sends Rocket to Israel.

          • djs

            I can understand why you don't like the democratic party. Hell, I don't like them either. Jesse and Al need to go on a long vacation. They can take Obama with them. Now where we disagree. I don't believe either party is working on behalf of us. I'm tired of all these taxes for these entitlement programs. We wouldn't need the programs if it weren't for these taxes.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            I think since I live in CA I'm extremely biased in my disgust of the democrat party. They are the most corrupt of the parties although they do not corner the market.

            I honestly believe CONSERVATISM is the way forward not Republican or Democrat or for that matter Libertarian.

            I think we've gone too far over the edge to be saved djs. Folks have frown up depending on the gov. to take care of them. That has to be broken. The only way for that to be broken is to unite behind those who offer solutions. Unfortunately the solution makers are demonized by the very same folks who benefit from our demise.

            You and I agree on far more than I thought djs, I'll apologize for my assumptions.
            My recent post Egypt sends Rocket to Israel.

          • ant

            Oh, you don't want war..you're just happy with the schadenfruede of Obama the incompetent increasing the misery index of Americans. "Where will you hide when the blood feeding frenzy starts", "get ours in while we can", "white crackers are inferior.." blah,blah, blah. Yeah, you sure sound like you're all about peace.
            Let me know when your genetically superior bretheren in Africa discover the wheel-barrow.

          • djs

            I never said anything about "white crackers being inferior". You must work at MSNBC. A white person isn't necessarily a cracker. However, a cracker most certainly is a white person. You see the difference.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            djs do you have the same feeling about terrorism? Muslims are not all terrorists but all terrorists (for the most part) are Muslims. All blacks aint Gangsta's but if you run into a real gangsta he/she will certainly be black. All Mexicans aint "Homies" but all Homies are Mexican… We can do that all day. I'd still like a real definition of "Cracka"… IS it because we are flaky and white?

            Personally, I'd rather be called a Appalachian American thank you.

            You know what pissed me off? Black guys calling me "White Boy" I hated that. Cracka? Nobody ever called me that, but in the school I went to (I was the only white guy on our team) White boy was the label. I turned it into a positive quickly though.. The way I did it will remain my soooper seekrit but it was a bit racist by today's standard.

            Is "Cracker" worse than "Coon?" I never understood that either to be truthful In the south Coon was an insult to Blacks. But I didn't really like that. Nor did I like hearing "Nword" or "Brother" or any of them.. It always sent a bit of a shiver down my spine. The way folks use "Brother" in speech is telling.. If I call my buddy "Brother" (He darker than I) he knows it's a term of endearment. IF I say it to someone I don't know it's an insult.

            I'd like to get the rules out there one day so the perpetually offended would be sanitized… But it aint gonna happen.

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          • djs

            That post was just a dig. Of course in this society when you think of the term terrorist you picture someone with a turbin and a bad speech impediment. However that wouldn't be a true statement. A terrorist could never be a Muslim just like Timothy Mcveigh could never be a Christian. True Muslims and Christians don't partake in aggression and violence. These religions have been hijacked by radicals to provide cover for their psychotic intentions.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            You're scaring me a bit djs…. knock it off with the common sense shit. It's ruining my firepower :-)

            The problem as I see it is, those with an agenda INCLUDING Al and Jesse and the entire far left wing of the democrat party will use whatever they can and sheep will listen. People like you and I and I would submit MOST of Kevin's readers have a different take…

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          • djs

            You know the funniest part. Jesse wanted to cut off Obama's jewels and then he cried when Obama won the election. I damn near laughed myself out of breath when I saw that.

          • djs

            I am all about peace. Has any of my blogs discussed physically harming anyone in anyway. No, because violence is a feeble attempt at proving your control over someone. I don't own a gun nor do I support gun control laws. If you want to control guns why not stop the manufacturer from making them. I've never heard of a gun shooting anyone without someone behind the trigger. That's the problem, people, not the guns.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            djs… "I've never heard of a gun shooting anyone without someone behind the trigger. That's the problem, people, not the guns." COMMON GROUND FOUND WITH DJS!!!! WELL SAID.

            NOW, go out and get yourself a firearm. Learn how to use it. Not to exert control over anyone, but to protect yourself from someone who would. Our nation was forged through steel and shot and without the ability of the citizens to protect themselves through use of arms, the government DOES control you. djs has now moved up the ladder from idiot racist (My first impression) to misguided American who has a large potential for being an asset… Come on board djs we need some of your wit!
            My recent post Egypt sends Rocket to Israel.

          • ant

            That's not possible, you couldn't have woken up in a place like that, Occupy was only formed last year.

        • djs

          I knew when I chimed in I wouldn't be a crowd pleaser. I'm the flamethrower that you either love or you would love to see disappear. For personal reasons I will refrain from using the term "Uncle Tom". You may not like me, however my support will increase greatly over the next few years. I'm not who you may believe I am. I'm not quite as affluent as Kevin Jackson, however I don't have a hand in my back. I'm self made and able to comment as I please without fear of reprisal causing me to apologize on national TV. Because I am successful and still growing my influence amongst my people is very significant and will continue to grow.

          • Robert

            You know what djs, I enjoy sparring with you. I really don't agree with much you said but the fact that you want to say it publicly is admirable. I don't bow to political correctness either. I say what's on my mind. I'll temper it a bit depending on audience and in order to get points across.

            I think you may grow influence and I find that a bit scary. I'm thinking you'd have better luck if you stopped using whitey as the reason for the ills of the black community. I would guess you a black separatist rather than a black racist. There's a bit of a difference but not much.

            I'll fight for your right to voice your opinions. Carry on.

          • djs

            Why is it when Black people discuss controlling their own destiny they're labled separatists? White people control their own destiny. Are you saying they're separatists?
            Or, are you saying White people don't control their own destiny. In either case you're wrong or a hypocrite.

          • Robert

            When do you hear white people say they are controlling their own destiny because they are white??? I control my own destiny with the help of GOD. Not because of my paint job. My choices and my decisions. Right or wrong are MY FAULT not "The man" I make the right decisions I can be a success, I make the wrong ones and I fail. Consequences for your actions ring a bell? Not whitey, not the black man, not the asian or the indian. ME. IF someone makes it harder for me because they are racist, I make it anyway. I make it and throw it in their faces. I work so one day I'll be THEIR boss and piss on their boots. What I won't do is blame an entire race for the actions of one.

          • djs

            Huh?, What? Do you even understand what you just blogged? You're talking about yourself as an individual. Yes you control your destiny to a point. White people don't have to say they control their own destiny. That would be rhetorical. I've stated my case we'll just agree to disagree. If you're okay being under the rule of another people then that's fine. Do you honestly believe white people would be okay under the rule of black people. The only reason white AmeriKKKa is ok with Obama being president is because they know his handlers are white and the decision makers are white.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            Hello.. Earth to djs.. Obama is the leader of the nation. There are NUMEROUS black people in congress. One on the SCOTUS. I am under the rule of black people.. Or are they not black enough because they are in power? Please oh brilliant man educate me about who is ruling this nation? Do we need Louis Farakan or Rev Wright to be POTUS before you are happy?

            How about this: In what city do you live in? Is your city council ALL white? Is your Sheriff dept ALL white? Is your school board ALL WHITE? if you live in rural Montana, Idaho or Alaska maybe… IF you are an inner city person, I'd submit YOU are under black leadership.

          • djs

            Obama is the figurehead leader of the nation. Everyone knows the President's power is very limited and the shadowy figures (Special Interest) control Washington DC and the rest of the country. If your assertion is that this country is not controlled by a White power structure then when did the change take place since this is how it was established. Do you realize congress votes every so often to give black people the right to vote? You still consider yourself a full citizen. Why don't White people, Asians, or Hispanics have to be given the right to vote? The constitution says you're three fifths of a man. That's sixty percent of a citizen yet you're paying 100% taxes.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            You consider yourself a history buff huh? Do you know WHY that 3/5 of a person was law? IF a person owned 100 slaves he had more clout that someone who only had 5 slaves. His power would be absolute and it was LEGISLATED in fairness and overturned in years after.

            You keep going back 150 years to find examples of white mans thumb on your throat… Obama is the TOP SPOT, he has sway. He has executive powers He is run by special interests, unions, oil whatever. Congress is the same way… I vote. I have a voice. Did you realize the very same political party you hate is the very same political party who FOUGHT for your rights? Women also had to be given the right to vote. The bill of rights and amendements therein give you those rights and those rights were payed for with blood from WHITEY. How about saying thank you instead of Fk You? How about make us proud of our ancestors for fighting for those rights instead of being pissed they did because of folks like you?… Would be a change would it not?

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          • ant

            Oh no, not the 3/5ths of a person BS again. Do I really have to explain the truth behind that to every public schooled ignoramus on the internet?

          • djs

            You're arguments about who's ruling this nation are laughable at best. Even the White people on this blog site are laughing at that notion. They're saying "and it will remain as such".

          • djs

            BTW are you saying the White establishment has had nothing to do with the ills of the black community. Where have you been? How do the drugs make it to the community since Black people don't own ships to get it here. How do the guns make it. Once again black people don't manufacture guns. How did Aids get in the black community? Yeah I know they caught it from having sex with monkeys in Africa. You might want to educate yourself and read a few books (written by white people) dealing with the CIA's COINTELLPRO genocide program against the black community that started I believe in the late 1940's or early 50's. You're obviously very young and wet behind the ears.

          • Robert

            White establishment had NOTHING to do with the ills of the black community… Yes and NO. Do you believe ONLY the black community is hurt by drugs? Do you think some random white devil came into the black community with guns/aids/drugs and the leaders of the black community said "Oh great, thank you?" Um. NO. Someone somewhere realized PEOPLE of all colors wanted to get high and have sex… brilliant. Capitalism under the rug.. But to blame Whitey for it shows your shallowness.

            Oh that's right according to some racists it was the CIA or FBI who did to eliminate the black man… Tell me something genius, who kills more blacks than anyone ever in the history of EARTH? Hint, Planned Parenthood… Who allows that? IF it wasn't for them the population of Black men/women in this nation would explode and with it the number of successful black folks… So don't just look at part of the picture see the whole thing. Was there white folks in the community who twisted the arms of black folks to smoke the chronic or the crack? DECISIONS are yours CHOICES are YOURS blame someone else is real easy aint it?

          • djs

            I never said black people didn't play a significant role in their own demise. You're 100% correct personal accountability has to be taken for the bad decisions made. However, that doesn't mitigate whitey's role in the demise of the black community. All I'm saying is point out his long history of genocidal tactics. If you do believe in God you must know there will be severe punishment for those involved in the slave trade and those who have continued to carry on the legacy of their racist forefathers. Why don't you read Willies Lynch Letter or the Making of the Whiteman by Paul Lawrence Gutherie. Both should give you more insight.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            exactly how am I living on the legacy of my racist forefathers? So are you. You are living with benefit of many white man who died to change slavery. You ever thought about that part? You blame whitey for slavery but you don't hold the BLACK AFRICANS responsible for SELLING slaves? You blame the white man for introducing drugs into your community, But you don't blame the black man for selling slaves? You blame the user for drugs and the seller for slaves???? Can ya get a bit consistent?
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  • marge schrader

    Gee….I am a 61 year old truck driving granny…..I love my H O O D Y. I did not realize I was being profiled as a gangster…..lmao

    • docjohndenver

      marge, be very careful. Do not flash any gang signs or anything. Should we call you "M-Dog" from here on out? Whenever I wear a hoodie now I have my wife and kids call me "homie Doc".

      • djs

        Is this what conservatives do all day? "M-Dog", "homie Doc". Do you realize how stereotypical and offensive that sounds coming from you. You chastised me for stereotyping MeSoHorny as a redneck hillbilly and now you're doing the same thing. If I chase down the next little white boy I see with a hoodie on, my black behind is going to jail whether I shoot him or not. That's justice in AmeriKKKa.

        • docjohndenver

          djs, you are an idiot. I spend my whole days with wonderful people who happen to be black, and some wonderful white people too. The idiots among us, regardless of color, deserve to be made fun of. But I am enjoying it. Please keep spewing your tripe. It has been a long stressful week and this is fun. And, in the real inner city, white kids say stuff like M-Dog and Homie Doc all the time. They wear hoodies, they listen to rap, they wear their hats sideways. Heck, some of these kids even give me a hard time for being so square. It's fun enjoying each other's similarities and differences. You should try it. Start by listening to some Zeppelin, and I will listen to some JayZ and then tomorrow we can share our experiences with each other. Sort of a twelve step group for goofballs.

          • djs

            I bet you Zimmerkkkman wouldn't shoot one of those white boys you described wearing the hoodies. It may come as a surprise to you but I like some of the songs performed by Bon Jovi, Roxette, Foreigner, and Phil Collins. You know what they say "Sharing is Caring".

          • docjohndenver

            djs, now that we all know you like Phil Collins (which may actually mean you must be from Mars) and other white folks, you can stop being hateful and saying hateful things about people who don't look like you. We both know you aren't going to play your flute and lead the black folks out of Amerikkka so why don't you start talking and acting like a decent person. Let me see: no more pull out of your sister, redneck comments. No more calling white people crackers, no more mentioning Bon Jovi and the awesome power chords of Foreigner in the same sentence. There. That was easy. By the way, I am just kidding with all this. I actually kind of like you. You're like the crazy uncle that shows up to Thanksgiving that nobody can figure out. You're weird, off base completely with your comments, full of strange conspiracy theories that people laugh at, but not dull. Now, I think we can both agree that Earth, Wind, and Fire kicked A on all of these groups and singers so far, right? Later. I have to go work on my tan. That will allow me to use the right side of my brain, right? Or was it the left? Oh there's no hope for me. I will always look like Opie.

          • djs

            Your inner insecurities are causing you to lash out in this manner. You should know about that stuff, DOC. It's okay, guys like me give guys like you something to talk about. Otherwise your life would be as boring as a Meryl Streep movie.

          • notsolargemarge

            whooooaaaaa wait a minute here….what Meryl Streep movie was EVER boring? Besides I have seen her in a hoodie when she was not wearing makeup…

          • djs

            Now that you mention it I think I have seen that as well. You're truly a conservative. I'm more of an action flick kind of guy.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, best action flick ever? Lethal Weapon II. Maybe First Blood? Hard to say.

          • docjohndenver

            notsolarge, totally agree with djs on this one. Meryl Streep movies are like watching toenail fungus grow. especially that one in Africa with Robert Redford. O my God.

        • ant

          Do you realize how stereotypical and assinine it is to find referring to ideas created by black culture to be stereotypical and offensive? Should the white man be offended that Obama plays golf? That came from Scotland, how dare a black man adapt something from white culture? See how stupid you sound?

          • djs

            No one in the house I grew up in spoke that way and neither do any of my children. These thing aren't black culture. Just like the hillbilly inferences I have made aren't white culture. These are all stereotypes and it's offensive.

      • notsolargemarge

        doc, the only flashing I do is hot flashing…and no homie better approach me when I am hot flashing…..no one is safe then…no what I mean?…lol

        • docjohndenver

          Yes, notsolarge, when I have a woman having a full on hot flash in my office I always want to put on a hazmat suit prior to entering the room. I hear you.

  • Guest woman

    BTW … this story is now not even front page news anymore… moving on to the McDonalds employee who won the lottery or whatever.

  • http://americanandproud.net Robert

    Guest woman… You noticed that too huh? I noticed the lack of a story on the NY Times.. They are trying to walk back their original story without ADMITTING bias. It aint workin…
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    • docjohndenver

      Robert, excellent post about the rocket in Eliat. Interesting thesis. Hope they are not just testing the trajectory but could be….

  • http://americanandproud.net Robert

    Feel free to post comments there Doc. I hear the guy who owns that site is a real nice guy :-) when he's not being a racist redneck bog dwelling hick with a house on wheels and a sister wife….
    Your opinions are always welcome.
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    • djs

      Holy crap Robert you're scaring me. That's sounds like something I would post.

    • docjohndenver

      Robert, you live in an RV in a bog, too? Weird. We really are all the same. All of us dumb rednecks, clinging to our God and our guns.

  • http://americanandproud.net Robert

    LMAO
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  • Dubious Brother

    Lost in the discussion, Trayvon was in the wrong place at the wrong time because he was suspended from school for the third time – this time for pot.

    • Yngblkcons

      Deeply fascinating, but irrelevant. Trayvon was walking home from the store when a play cop decided to stalk him in his car, then the play cop ran after him when he tried to lose him.

      Zimmerman's known/admitted behaviour was neither sane nor characteristic of neighborhood watch. I don't buy Zimmerman's claim (okay, Zimmerman's father's claim) that soon after Zimmerman got off the phone Zimmerman and Martin switched hats ('Now its my turn to be the psycho stalker and your turn to be the sane guy trying to get away!').

      More likely Zimmerman the play cop ran down Martin and then Martin beat him the same way any sane guy would beat a nutjob who charged at them in the night (seriously, who ever heard of neighborhood watch running people down?). Then like the cowardly punk he almost certainly is, Zimmerman decided to use his gun to end a fistfight.

      • docjohndenver

        agreed, ybc. want to talk about social problems in our youth? relevant. this fatal shooting case? not so much.

      • djs

        Yes, I agree as well. There's a lot we still don't know, however at this point unless Trayvon was in the act of committing a crime why would Zimmerman accost him. That's why we have a police force. When you spot suspicious acting people you call the authorities offer any information you have then stay out of the way and allow them to do their job. I believe that's how it usually is supposed to work. I guess Zimmerman probably did fear for his life after the 17 year old got in his grip. I don't believe this even comes close to the stand your ground law.

        • docjohndenver

          djs, basically agree with your synopsis here but I do wonder one thing: why has the information been so slow to come out? Is this all under some sort of grand jury gag order or something? Usually by now there would be a complete understanding of the events chronologically. This time, it has been tough to get any real sequence of how things happened. (doublestuff should kill me here for asking me this honest question, but I can take it)

  • http://americanandproud.net Robert

    Not many schools open at night… I don't really care if he was a pothead or not. But swinging on a bus driver tells you a bit about him…

    Yng. I don't think ol boy was a "Play Cop" a "Play Cop" would have done more than call 9-11. He would have accosted Trayvon. And as yet that's not been evidence… Unless you know more than anyone else? We have a 911 call that proves a lot. NONE of which is "Play Cop" evidence. As of now according to the REAL EVIDENCE out in the media (I know it's B.S) I hope it all comes out and folks can take the truth. I know I'll be able to. You know why? Because I haven't convicted him in my mind, nor have I aquitted him. I believe in the rule of law even when I don't like it…

    Yall would be wise to do the same. Calling a guy who is a concerned citizen a "Play Cop" or blaming him for ACTING on a suspicion doing the right thing by calling 911….THAT'S ALL WE KNOW RIGHT NOW.

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    • docjohndenver

      Robert, I hear what you are saying. But in my opinion following someone who you do not know has committed a crime, while carrying a gun is very dangerous. You are, however, correct that we do not know all the facts. If the facts fully exonerate Zimmerman I will admit being wrong, and I have not convicted him yet in my mind. I do think it appears he could have avoided the situation which ended with a young man dead. But that's why we have a justice system.

      • http://americanandproud.net Robert

        Let me ask you this Doc. Following a guy who IS up to no good without a gun is what? Watching over your neighbors property/lives is a bad thing? The guy was (according to what we've heard) Not on "Patrol" or anything, he was returning from somewhere and spotted something "odd"… He called, he followed and by all accounts stopped when he was told to do so. (But that might come out to be false as he MIGHT have continued to follow we don't know)…

        I wonder if Trayvon told his girlfriend I'm gonna take this sucker out? I wonder a lot of stuff about that night. I can come up with about 20 different scenarios that convict BOTH of them of doing wrong.

        I hate hearing that Zimmerman should have done this or that. Americans real Americans who value the lives of those close to them will act like Zimmerman did (At first) This is also DHS requested. YOU SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING. Now we are saying "He shouldn't have done anything?"…

        IF it turns out that Zimmerman called and Stopped following when told to do so, then I say Zimmerman acted in a heroic manner. If it turns out he went passed that point and accosted Trayvon then I will say he deserves to be charged with Murder.
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        • djs

          I have to agree. I don't know what the Sanford police department had to work with in terms of evidence when they arrested Zimmerman. With a young man dead however I think turning him loose that quickly was a mistake without clear cut evidence that it was self defense. Just a very messy situation.a public relations nightmare. Your good buddies Al and Jesse are calling for his head on a platter let's see what happens.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            My good buddies???? Yeah I named my kids Dollar and Cents after both of them…LOL

            Fact is the PD didn't have much choice in the matter. And to believe it was a quick "There ya go Mr Zimmerman, you're free to go" is not the case. He went through hours of intense questioning and putting witnesses statements with collected evidence before he was cut loose. His statements must have matched a large percentage of evidence they gathered. OR he'd have stayed there.

            My feeling is there's going to be a grand jury decision and it's not going to make the folks who have already made up their mind happy…
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          • djs

            I want to take a minute to talk about my entrance into this blog. I grew up in the inner city of a smaller midwest city. Most of my friends and their families I grew up with are still in the same run down neighborhood over 30 years later still being unproductive. Well this hurts me when I drive back through the neighborhood. I've moved on and there they are strung out on drugs and alcohol and self pity. I've actually began to hear the whispers "sellout" in referrence to me because many of those I employ are from those neighborhoods. I've lashed out because I feel so bad for those I've left behind. I want to learn a little more about the conservative movement. Being from the democratic background I've heard nothing but negative things about conservatives so enlighten me.

          • doubleSorsomething

            The conservative movement (Federalist Society, ALEC, etc.) is about dragging society back to a time before civil rights legislation, child labor laws, women's rights, etc. It is corporate America wishing to enslave the population and gorge on natural resources, tax breaks, control of media. Their anathema, the progressive movement, or leftists, as they call us, seeks to resist the over-reach in the judicial, executive and legislative branches of government that allows rampant corporate corruption and seeks to somehow restore a modicum of fairness to our (once) great society with the belief that there is plenty for all.

          • Robert

            Double.. Wow is that really what you believe? Brainwashing is a wonderful tool I guess… You think Conservatives are the best of the Republican party. The same republicans who fought to END the stuff you say we want to go back to?… WOW.

            Enslaving? those are words used by your far left base hero's. Why is it, the Right only gets elected by embracing their "Conservative" base, and Democrats only get elected by running away from their base?… ever though of why that is???? The media has warped your mind Double, it's all a lie you've been told. We believe YOU have the power not the man, some random asshole in a suit… You and it's not the random asshole keeping you back it's you.

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          • doubleSorsomething

            The brotherhood of boneheads (Kevin, doc, Shugg, Lloyd and, bless his feeble soul, ant) that you try to have rational discussions with are mostly unaware that they are children of the McCarthy/Nixon era and that they, like so many Americans, through their bigoted hatred serve as proxies for the rich, old white men that control the financial destiny of this country and the world.

          • http://americanandproud.net Robert

            djs. It seems to me you have a conservative tilt already. You want to help folks around you. You are doing things to HELP them on your own. No government intervention. We do better as a people when WE help not government taking from one group giving to another.

            Conservatives are not heartless neanderthals as you hear. We believe in YOU, we believe you work hard, you can help the guy behind you to do the same. We believe you through hard work not theft of government you can succeed. We believe in the teach a man to fish theory. We believe that if you threaten us and have the means to do what you say, it's a good enough reason to whoop your ass. We believe the rule of law is applicable and if it's a bad law CHANGE it through the proper channels if a majority decision renders it so after debate.

            I could go on and on djs but it would be best summed up like this. A conservative believes in the power of YOU, the opposite of conservatism believes in the power of Government above YOU. You are on your way out of the prison that your mind has kept you in. We will welcome you brother.
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          • docjohndenver

            Congratulations Robert. This was beautifully written. I am duly impressed.

          • Robert

            Thanks Doc. Just wish I could shake folks and get them to wake up ya know? People minds are made up by experiences. Keep up the fight all.

          • docjohndenver

            djs, you can read a post by peaches/herman/double/whatever he calls himself today and then read a post by a conservative here and decide who cares more about his fellow man. I feel your quandary when you talk about hearing the "sellout whispers". I hear these comments from patients every day. Heck, when I left the neighborhood and went off to a private college most of my high school buddies called me a snob. It wasn't until thirteen years later after college, med school, residency that I got back into their good graces. And even then, it was only because I set up shop in the old neighborhood. And I am white. If I was black I think the experience would have probably been more intense to say the least. You are obviously successful in business and now the question in your mind is how do I move upward and onward without forgetting where I came from. If it was an easy question, nobody would have a problem with it. It comes down to lifting people up into the middle class rather than feeling an obligation to stay back with them. And this is an issue for all races.

          • docjohndenver

            Djs, so to finish my thought: conservatism doesn't equal Republican Party. The repubs have been feasting at the pork barrel trough for decades, too. To be a conservative, IMHO, is to believe in hard work, self sufficiency, and individual charity. Generally speaking a conservative sees him or herself as a better arbiter of how to help people around them than the government would be. I respect what you have done, rising in the business world. It is hard to do. And as you have done it you no doubt have noticed how over-regulation and taxes make it hard. More money in your business' pocket means hiring more people from your neighborhood and giving them a chance, right? But there will always be overlap between conservatives and liberals. Most of us have some centrist to us. We just aren't necessarily anti-black if we believe everyone should make his own way and the past cannot be changed but the future can. Have a great weekend.

        • docjohndenver

          You're probably right about most of what you said here, Robert. My point all along (although I admit I am not a writer and sometimes do not articulate myself that well) has been that if Zimmerman would have just stayed inside nobody would be dead. But the fact that we do not know what happened puts us all at a real disadvantage in judging this case.

    • Yngblkcons

      A concerned citizen would have called the police and left it at that. A play cop follows pedestrians in his car and then runs them down when they try to lose him (as a lot of sane people would do when some random nutjob starts following them).

      I take the 911 call as gospel trush. According to the 911 call Zimmerman saw a suspicious guy (wearing a hood in the rain, looking at houses as he walked) and was following him. The suspicious guy was freaked out by some nutjob in a car following him and left the road. Then Zimmerman got out of the car to run down the suspicious person.

      Next thing we know, Zimmerman is standing over a corpse claiming that shortly after his last 911 call ended, he and the corpse switched crazy hats (I wanted to do nothing but get away, but this guy just wouldn't let me go, its like he had some sort of mental illness!).

      • Yngblkcons

        Martin's too dead to speak for himself, the police let witnesses who had called 911 go uninterviewed for more than a week (which is a bad idea in any case, especially a high profile case because people tend to fill in details of stories they hear repeatedly) and the police declined to drugtest Zimmerman (who had attacked a cop while drunk and been fired from a job as a security guard for being too violent).
        http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294895/zimme

      • Robert

        you are leaping to conclusions Yng. If you listen to the call, you will hear his breathing was hastened. You will hear it slow after he was told to stop (Urged) To take the word of his father who wasn't an EYE witness and only gave that account after the media frenzy. We have only one eye witness who is NOT related to either of the men. That witness will carry more weight with me. IF it were your son how would it play out in your mind? Your son wouldn't be guilty of anything right? I would be the same way.

        Not a play cop yet, a concerned citizen is my leaning… But I could be wrong too. When we hear ALL the facts we can then make the decision.
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        • Yngblkcons

          I am reaching conclusions based on the evidence and testimony of Zimmerman's father (not the first Zimmerman surrogate to appear on tv, but the first to have credibly claimed to be offering up the account of the play cop in question).

          Concerned citizens don't run people down or even begin to run people down. Seriously, I've never heard of (or experienced) a random guy following another random guy on the street. Its just not what sane people do.

          No witnesses with really strong accounts have come forward (and its unlikely that will happen) because it was dark and when Zimmerman went after Trayvon, by all accounts, all the witnesses did what sane people do and called the police and otherwise stayed out of it.

          A psycho like Zimmerman probably would have wound up killing anyone who tried to intervene to prevent his little citizen's arrest (for carrying Skittles).

    • Yngblkcons

      Last but not least, as I've pointed out to you multiple times, even Zimmerman's father concedes he didn't break off pursuit at the time of the call (I doubt that the gun packing play cop ever broke off pursuit), so why you keep repeating that line is beyond me. Zimmerman's father is the only person who has come forward who claims to have spoken directly with the killer.
      ———————

      Even though a dispatcher told George Zimmerman not to follow Martin, his father said his son continued his pursuit to locate an address to give to police.

      "He lost sight of the individual, he continued to walk down the same sidewalk to the next street, so he could get an address for the police," he said.

      Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/trayvon_mart….

      • Robert

        so yngblkcons, IF the foot prints in the wet grass from Zimmerman are pointing to his truck would that mean he was walking away from following Trayvon? There was grass stains on his shirt according to witness. Could he have broken off following him? Could this be a case of Trayvon being overzealous and already angered because of other events? Could this be Trayvon was a typical teenager who was 10ft tall and bullet proof? I don't take the fathers word as gospel and either will a jury. He wasn't there he didn't witness the entire thing. He was an after the fact statement. To the media. He can be a character witness not an EYE witness. Big distinction.
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        • Yngblkcons

          Zimmerman's father claims that he is telling the media what his son told him, and Zimmerman's very vocal lawyer certainly hasn't questioned the father's account. Of course the father is lying, but its highly likely he is merely relating the lies Zimmerman told to him.

          • Robert

            Zimmerman's father would likely give the story that benefits his son just like trayvons dad would. This is the reason for the justice system We shall see. But I wouldn't take bets on an outcome that makes you or any of the other GUILTY already happy.

            Yng. I believe you would be okay with the results I'm not insinuating that. I am simply stating there is reasonable doubt as to what we think we know.

            I don't think the Zimmerman acted outside his perview. I think he was assaulted after the 911 call. BUT I COULD BE WRONG. And I'll happily march along side anyone who seeks justice if it's proven I am wrong. But what I DON'T LIKE nor should ANY AMERICAN is the trial in the media for there but by the grace of GOD go I. You sir, being of strong moral character might intervene one day on something and it could turn south out of your control. You would want the justice system to work before you were found guilty by judge/jury

          • Yngblkcons

            He wasn't intervening in anything, he was merely seeking to confront a guy he thought looked suspicious. There is a world of difference between intervening in a crime and chasing and confronting people just because you are suspicious of them. One is the act of a sane, decent person, the other is the act of nut.

          • Robert

            That's a possibility. Not factual yet. He may have not followed him. He may have kept him within eye sight too… A nut is a label he hasn't deserved just as much as thug for Trayvon isn't warranted.

          • djs

            He may not be a nut, but obviously he doesn't need to be loose in society. Sort of like a pit bull. Anyone on the panel can weigh in. How many of us would accost a "suspicious" looking person if we were the neighborhood watch captain. Keep in mind none of us are trained law enforcement officials. There's training that goes into being able to spot a "suspicious" looking person. So, yes Zimmerman was playing cop unless there's other evidence which we haven't been privy to at this point.

          • Robert

            There's no proof he "Accosted" him… Just like ALL the other "First reports" that have turned out to be false. Even Al Sharpton recognizes the LIES have been found out. That's why he broke that "Occupy Sanford" promise he made. He can't keep up with the lies. I'm thinking he's privy to a little more information that made him go.. uh Oh.. and Trayvon isn't going to be able to pull the strings like he though he would. But I could be wrong too djs.

            All of our speculation means crap. We don't know anything and the silence after the fact is deafning.

  • doubleSorsomething

    Black man ain't blockin' nobody! ROTFLMFAO!!

    • Robert

      I would also submit what's in the media is questionable. NBC edited the 911 call to stoke a frenzy and now they fired the editor who by the way is long time democrat supporter. You want truth? I submit the democrat party is lying for political gain. Look back at the last 3 years and how many LIES have the democrat party been exposed in? Hell just start with Wiener's twittering junk… Take into account the throw granny off a cliff crap, take into account all the stuff the media hides when the truth hurts the democrat party..

      I submit the media is stoking fires to gain the masses appeal to ignore their corruption (Not exactly a new tactic. Repubs have used it too) We need conservatism as a bench mark. A conservative WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH. A conservative will come into a debate and tell it like it is (Here is just one example) A conservative can handle it. A weak republican runs, A liberal lies, a progressive makes up the story…. This is the way I see it. I could be wrong though not freakin likely.
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      • doubleSorsomething

        Hilarious, Robert. The kind, noble and brave conservative. Where can I sign up?

        Conservative = racist, bigot corporate shill.

        P.S. thanks, DJS, for making have to type this long-ass name every time (I liked your suggestion that much)

      • doubleSorsomething

        Nixon, Agnew, Reagan, Bush, Quayle, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Abramoff. I rest my case.

        • Robert

          Big round of applause for the example of a brainwashed sheep… Well done there Double…

          Carter, LBJ, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Waters, Wiener, I could go on and on…

          Kind and noble? I think the problem is simple, if you believe you help a person by giving them everything for nothing, yep Not us. If you believe in offering a hand up not a hand out.. Yep that's us. You want to know why Conservatives don't like Obama care? One of many reasons but one that sticks out is health care for your 26 yr old kid? At 18 my kids had a choice. College or work IF work they had 1 yr to save and get out. IF college they had room and board on campus and worked. What you work for is better than whats given. you appreciate it more…

          Double, you really need to see the truth. It's not as you believe.

          • doubletrouble

            Carter was a great sage regarding energy and our need to get along with the world. Rethug corporate shills' narratives have contributed largely to his bad rep. He was not a criminal like so many of the Rethug higher ups.
            Coverage until 26 was quite sage considering that the conservo-pirates have gutted the economy and post HS/college kids are struggling to get a foot hold.
            BTW, I've forgotten more than you know about this country and the accompanying politic/social structure.
            You wouldn't know the truth if it lowered it's teabag into your yapper. You are the one that has grown up believing the shit you've been fed by corrupt corporate media.

          • Robert

            Double you are as clueless as most other liberal/progressives You got it bad though if you believe Carter was a "Sage"… "Conservopirates?" LMAO that's rich. Obviously head in sand runs deep in your world.

            I'm sure your one of those "Occutards" who believe in free rape/drugs/crap in public stuff right? It's all the "Corporations"… How bout the liberal folks like your hero Pelosi who play both sides of the fence??? Your handlers have done a good job with you Double, don't let them down by thinking for yourself….

          • doubledipper

            Spew on teabagger idiot. Sounds all the same. I know you prefer your moron presidents over our nuclear physicists, Rhodes Scholars and Harvard law professors. Too bad the rest of the world always has to suffer from your voting mistakes.

          • Robert

            Hahaha.. Yeah all that "Book Learnin" is real good aint it??? You're an occutard so I don't expect to reach you. You will grow up or find yourself living in a tent or teaching kids how things should be… The only folks who stay progressive after 30 are idiots and control freaks. Your "Law professors" and what-not have enslaved your mind. You will see the light one day, just hope it aint from a PD flashlight.

            Some folks will grow out of the idiocy. Some folks leave the nest and live, others tell folks how to live. You pick your side. I'll pick mine. Try not to take all that I earn to keep you in shrooms and crack…

          • doubledipper

            I hope you don't earn enough to be considered rich. The plan is to eat the rich, and obviously you would taste like shit.

          • Robert

            Double, I hope you know YOU are considered RICH… You obviously have internet, phone, food, shelter… You are the true 1% dumbass.

            Class war is a good war to have. I'm in. I'm lower middle class and I don't see that mansion on the hill as a target for my jealous rage… I see it as a target to attain. Too bad you clowns have lost that. But it's understandable.. You're hero pushes it from his lavish lifestyle because it suits him politically. Michael Moore, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Kanye Spike all of them, it makes them happy to see the masses rally against the rich because it keeps the focus off the real issue. GOVERNMENT corruption of which YOUR hero's are kings…

            Have a nice life occutard but beware of the war you hope for… It might not be a bunch of folks in suits who cry for mercy. It most likely will contain a lot of warriors… Play the number game. Play the surround em game I love it. Means I can shoot in any direction and hit my target.. :-)

  • Docjohndenver

    NO wonder you change names. Now we can all go back to ignoring you again. That whole asshat joke was a real knee snapper. Goodbye.

    • doubleornuttin

      Correction: pompous asshat.

    • doubledipper

      Please go fuck yourself, dic.

      • docjohndenver

        double, it would save me the money that dinner and a movie costs, but as a physician I can tell you that it is physically impossible to **** myself. Having said that, thank you for making my point about hateful leftists so beautifully. I am sort of liking the moniker asshat, though. It is vague, vile, and yet somehow stylish. Please pick a single name to go by. It is so hard to tell which of these incredibly brilliant posts we can attribute to you. I just want you to get credit for exemplary additions like, "Please go **** yourself". Your mother must be so proud.

        • doubledipper

          Sounds more like a lack of creativity to me. Glad you like the moniker. I like changing names because it seems to drive you righty control freaks batshit crazy:D

        • doubledipper

          BTW, you sure are mirroring your boy, Romney, with that flip-flopping on the ignoring me thing… Just sayin'…

          • docjohndenver

            Oh, don't worry I ignore the idiotic things you say, but I enjoy listening to leftists spew all over themselves. It's kind of fun. See, I knew DJS was not really a hard-core hater. His willingness to think came through right off the bat. No matter how hard he tried he couldn't hide his intellect. You, however, you are a lost case. Just another swearing, loud-mouthed Dem-shill who wants to believe things like "carter was a sage". I haven't even heard the serious koolaid drinkers say that. Carter was the worst president in modern times. He left us bereft of an energy policy, laughed at by the world for the hostage crisis, hyperinflation in the years immediately to come, an islamist radical government in Tehran that is the center of terrorism now, and Billy Beer. Unfortunately, Obama is going to be even worse because of the mounting ridiculous deficit. But, nonetheless, you're funny to listen to. Sort of like watching a trainwreck. You don't want to watch, but it's impossible to ignore the ugly spectacle.

          • double

            Carter installed solar panels on the White House roof. Sage visionary. Reagan took them down. Neanderthal moron.
            The only two times we have been laughed at by the world is when backward, angry white men in our Congress attempted to crucify a sitting president for staining a little blue dress, and when moron boy president, W, was re-elected (UK Daily Mirror headline:
            “How Can 59,054,087 People Be So Dumb?”).

          • djs

            I have to admit that W was a damn fool. You listen to this cat for 5 minutes and you know he was plugged for his position. That's affirmative action backfiring on the country. Then again I question how much power a president has in the first place. I don't know if these guys are simply taking their que from that unseen hand that conspiracy theorists speak of or If they spend too much time partying at Camp David. (P.S. I don't know your official political views, but what we have isn't working and any intellectual can see that. So it's time for a real change.)

          • djs

            I've been busy all day. This back and forth you've got going with Sacksucker (aka doublenumbnuts) is absolutely hilarious. For the record anyone who's encouraging this form of government now in place is looney. Not necessarily the system itself, but the shape and form it has taken. I long for the days before my time when everyone would come to the market and trade what they made for something they needed. That's a free market in its purest form. Now Obama is trying to force me to purchase a product I may or may not want. That's absolutely absurd and I can't believe the American people are falling for it. (You notice I removed the 3 K's George HW Bush asked for a kinder gentler nation)

  • Robert

    Just an FYI The Tulsa shooting doesn't feel right. "White guy in a pickup" makes me a bit worried. False flag operation? Who benefits from a race war breaking out across the nation? Ayrans and Panthers. Everyone else loses. Pay attention folks this could get real ugly real quick. The black community aint alone in having idiots in it. We got our share too… IF the guy is a white racist, then he should be hung up as a pinata…. Let the community have at him.

    • doubleontherocks

      Keep us posted, Charlie Manson.

  • Robert

    That's cute there doubledumbass. How about the other one… Nazi's patrolling Sanford now right?? FALSE. It only benefits who? Oh that's right your pal in the WH.. All the wardens who keep you in the mindless prison you dwell in. Keep on following lemming. You're doing great.

    • djs

      For the record I always thought affirmative action was a bad idea. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you take 2 minutes to think about. As a businessman I can tell you if you hire based on anything other than qualifications for a particular job your company will soon suffer the consequences. Any sane employer will tell you they don't give a damn who's doing the job as long as the job is being done as efficiently as possible. Any employer who thinks otherwise will sink their own company.

      • djs

        I want to keep everything in perspective. I don't believe any of us know the Sanford police chief and the other hierarchy there. Could there be racism by this department? We just don't know at this point. Could Zimmerman have been racist? Once again we don't know his mindset or state of mind other than he was off his rocker to chase down someone who wasn't in the act of committing a crime. So let's not dismiss racism as playing a possible role in this entire fiasco, however there are other issues that also have to be dealt with. As long as there are people there will be racism, but level heads will force these racists to isolate themselves from the rest of the world.

        • Robert

          I agree with that djs. And people of all colors can be racist..
          Affirmative action was a good intentioned law that had its merit at the start. It was needed for a short term to get the racist mindset cleared from power. It worked for the most part, however; there's a time to kill it.

          I think cooler heads will prevail but it worries me that folks will play one side against the other to further an agenda. Sheep will blow with the wind. Beware the extremes of both sides who will use each other to make it seem something it is not.

          Manipulation isn't only a liberal thing. It's a republican thing too. Our idiots will play in the same sand box sometimes. Ask/Search/FIND facts.

        • docjohndenver

          djs, your last sentence is the key. The right must marginalize their racists and the left must as well. And ALL racism is racism. Any insinuation that one race is inferior to another is inappropriate. The primary problem I have with affirmative action is that a century and a half after the civil war it is inappropriate to take a poor black person and give them something a poor white person would not get. It is wrong on many levels. First of all a ten year old kid in a ghetto is in the same dire circumstance whether white or black. Second, the act of affirmative action (while purported to be "leveling the field") implies that the black person is not as capable as the white. Past wrongs do not justify future ones. Period.

      • docjohndenver

        djs, that is extremely well said. When I was young I imagined interviewing multiple people for a position and then picking the one who needed it the worst. Of course as soon as I began to run my own business I realized the person getting hired is the one who does the best work and the most work with the most efficiency. Over the last two decades that has included men, women, teenagers, seniors, blacks, whites, latinos, and a Navajo chief (believe it or not) who wanted to do data input when we switched over to electronic health records. Interestingly enough, I have only had to fire one of them (a teenager who missed all the time). But hiring for any non-business reason is something that people who don't run businesses think is a great idea.

  • Robert

    Hey Kevin, I understand holiday recess and what-not. But sheesh, we've got 400+ comments on this thread, how about something new? I mean it's not like there's a lack of substance out there in the world these days. I'd sure like to read your take on some of the headlines..

    • double

      Robert, while you certainly are a tool, apparently you're not the sharpest one in the shed. Kev posted (yesterday) an intro to an article that he just wrote in the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Washington Times. He then strangely describes the link as being to the Washington Post. hmmmmm……… Please try to keep up, Bob.

      • Robert

        Having someone like you tell me I'm a tool means a whole lot… NOT. But evidently you are right on the post issue. Take a victory lap a-hole, you finally got something right. Not something you are used to though I'm sure…

  • ozzieaussie

    Kevin I am going to disagree with you because I have read enough other information to have formed the conclusion that Trayvon Martin had attempted to kill Zimmerman that night and that he tried to get the gun in order to shoot him. The gun had not been drawn in the way that had been depicted by the media. Martin was shot at close range and his hand had been on the gun when the shot was fired.

    • Yngblkcons

      Where did you get your info? I've never heard anyone, including Zimmerman's father (who story seems contrived to make Zimmerman's shooting of Martin a textbook case of self defense) claim that Martin went for Zimmerman's gun.

    • double

      You better rush that info to your Aussie buddies at Faux News. Sounds like the kind of inventive fabrication that they would run with…

    • djs

      So who instigated this entire event. Didn't the police tell Zimmerman they didn't need him to follow this suspicious acting person he described. Think about how ridiculous your claims are. I can call the police on you then disobey their orders pursue you get into a fight with you then shoot you and then claim self defense. That's all the left needs to lobby for gun control laws. This idiot needs to be locked up for a very long time.

      • docjohndenver

        djs, you are right about everything you said here if this is how it really happened. We just don't unfortunately know. But one thing is for sure: the left will use this incident very soon to push hard on the gun issue. I am always worried about the hyper-vigilant types. I live in a very average, diverse neighborhood. If I watched out my front window today for a while I am sure someone "suspicious" would walk by. I go back to the fact that nobody would be dead if Zimmerman had just made a call and been done with it. Although, admittedly, unless something else comes out about Trayvon I am still unclear why the call was even made.

  • Maile

    Do either look like they could be Obama's sons? Yes they do!!

    Think this story will receive 1/1,000th of 1% of the news coverage that Trayvon Martin received? http://juniperinthedesert.blogspot.com/2012/04/wh

    Orlando Sentinal http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/ne

    • Yngblkcons

      So you're comparing a case which rose to prominence only after it became clear that the local authorities were using a dubious reading of Stand Your Ground (one the guy who wrote the law, the NRA and many others disagreed with) to not prosecute to a case where a couple killers are being prosecuted? Fair enough.

  • Yngblkcons

    Here's a link to an interesting article. I live in Maryland, but I never heard of this case (which predates the Martin murder by more than a year) until I read this article. Apparently Zimmerman wasn't the first neighborhood watchman who believed in getting into it with people who have the audacity to walk in 'his' neighborhood.

    —— http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/22/1133

    Eliyahu and Avi Werdesheim are accused of beating a 15-year-old boy who was walking through a Baltimore neighborhood in November 2010. The brothers pulled up next to the teen in a vehicle, then got out and "surrounded him," according to charging documents. The passenger threw the teen to the ground and the driver hit him in the head with a hand-held radio and patted him down

    The brothers are charged with second-degree assault, false imprisonment and carrying a deadly weapon (the hand-held radio). The pair face up to 13 years in prison if convicted on all three counts. A third man, identified in a lawsuit brought by the teen's family as Ronald Rosenbluth, does not face charges.

    ——

    • Yngblkcons

      It supports my theory that the Martin case wouldn't have been a big deal if the police had charged Zimmerman as opposed to letting him walk.

      • docjohndenver

        YBC, I hear you and basically agree with you. I agree that the initial handling of the matter could have been better. I disagree with it "wouldn't have been a big deal", though. I think the race baiters would have found it and jumped on it anyway. But I will say this: a second degree murder conviction is not going to happen. I don't know if the special counsel/DA/whatever overreached or if there is a substantial amount of damning evidence that hasn't been leaked. Because from what we know now it looks like a manslaughter plea at best to me. There absolutely would have to be very credible eye witness accounts saying Zimmerman was the aggressor to get a second degree murder charge proven guilty. I think they are hoping for a quick plea making an ugly trial unnecessary. And I can't say I blame them on that account.

        • Yngblkcons

          Yeah, murdering the guy he stalked might pay off for Zimmerman. Time will tell.

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  • Here2do

    With the exception of the Trayvon Martin shooting, I agree with this guy. Pretty good article. I think I'll subscribe to his RSS feed.

  • http://www.beninbrown.com BeninB

    Yea, it seems like as soon as the media got a better grasp of the facts they tossed this story away like a hot potato.

    But to be honest, who can really blame the media when the viewers take everything they say as the gospel and never ask any questions. After all a wise old news publisher once said, "News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising."

    So I'm in agreement with you that we not only need ALL the facts. And to get them, we need to start asking ALL the questions.

    As always, great post!
    My recent post Is It Time to Rethink the ‘Because I’m Black’ Defense?

  • deanrd

    Blaming this on a “hoodie” is like blaming rape on sexy clothes. I’m 60 and white and I wear a hoodie when it rains cuz I don’t want my hair wet. Martin wasn’t bald. It was raining. The above rant is such a major fail.