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boyscoutsThe dust has scarcely settled from the Boy Scouts of America’s landmark vote to allow openly gay young men and boys to participate in scouting, yet already another controversy is brewing with parents and churches caught up in the crossfire.

Nationwide, congregations and families are coming to terms with the BSA policy change. In an effort to remain strong in their biblical convictions, many are being forced to cut ties with the BSA despite years of financial support and mutual trust.

But in doing so, their decision to withdraw support of the nation’s largest scouting organization has come under scrutiny by the liberal media and the leftwing blogosphere. Just days following the vote, Atlanta-area pastor Ernest Easley made national news when he advised his parishioners to cut all ties with BSA.

I never dreamed I’d have to stand up publicly and say to parents: Pull your kids out of the Boy Scouts,” Easley told the Baptist Press May 28. “If you would have asked me that five years ago, 10 years ago, I would have laughed,” Easley said. “And even as I was saying it Sunday morning, I thought, I cannot believe I’m having to address this and encourage parents to pull their children out of the Boy Scouts of America.

Louisville’s largest church, Southeast Christian Church, also made headlines when they cut ties with the Boy Scouts after the national organization decided to drop its ban on gay youth.

We want everyone, including ourselves, to live by biblical standards,” said the Executive Pastor Tim Hester. “Truly for us it’s a logical decision … We cannot be distracted from the mission God has called us to.

The BSA policy change is a sad reality that parents too must come to terms with. Michael Woodward, whose eleven year old son suffers from Asperger’s Syndrome and is particularly vulnerable to outside influences, has also decided to withdraw his support of BSA.

I cannot have my son say the Scout oath “…to keep myself morally straight…knowing that the Scout’s definition of that is now in direct contradiction to God’s definition. I cannot risk having my Asperger son led by a role model that is in fact immoral. He would follow.

So as parents and pastors make the hard choice to cut ties with BSA on account of their new policy, the liberal media has transferred their accusations of bigotry and intolerance from the BSA to its outgoing members and sponsors. Even before making a final decision at this summer’s annual convention, the Southern Baptist Convention has come under attack by those on the left for indicating that they will recommend for its 47,000 churches to pull away from BSA.

Whispers of litigation against these churches have already spurred non-profit legal foundations like Liberty Institute to take up potential lawsuits that are sure to come down the pike. It’s unfortunate that these institutions are being drawn into an ideological fight that they didn’t start nor go looking for.

Churches, families and the Scouts themselves are what some might consider collateral damage of a decade-long battle waged by the LGBT organizations against the BSA to impose their morality on a non-government entity. And thanks to a compliant media, clearly in the LGBT camp, these institutions must fend off accusations of intolerance and bigotry while trying to stand strong in their biblical convictions.

“We hoped to keep sex and politics out of Scouting,” lamented John Stemberger, a lifelong Scout with two sons in scouting, now leading the fight to start a new scouting chapter in defiance of the adopted policy. Unfortunately the LGBT community and the liberal media had other plans.

Sadly, it’s the parents and churches that must unravel this messy BSA policy and tenaciously step through the landmine of media scrutiny as they seek to live biblically in an increasingly anti-Christian society.

 
 
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  • Jose Lopez

    No God Have Choose No Church Human Made So God No Call You Do Nothing No Homosexual That No Model The Future For Human Specie Or World Homosexual Vomit Believe And Behavior Most Don’t. Born Like That Are Just Infected Like Disease By Other Homo’s The Liberal’s – Marxism Politician And Media Part .

    • Servo1969

      No offense intended but I get the feeling that English is not your first language.

    • Alfred Ferguson

      What? What on earth is this language? There are English words present, yes. But no syntax. No coherent word order. Random punctuation. Arbitrary upper-case signification. No organized pattern of thought.

      What a mess.

      Possibly the sub-literate effusion of someone mentally disturbed.

  • Thomas

    Nobody is trying to make anyone’s kid gay.

    • JoeThePimpernel

      Actually, NAMBLA is behind this, and they are.

    • ShamanBlair

      That’s one of their favorite lies. You’re a useful tool.

      • Thomas

        You must be insecure about your own sexuality. You actually believe the someone gay could possibly influence you to also become gay. My advice is that you might as well come out of the closet. It’s rather accepted nowadays.

        • ShamanBlair

          I WAS a homosexual, Scooter. I’ve heard all your cliches before. _I_ came out—of the =prison= I’d been in, thank you, I I never even think about my sexuality now, whereas I was consumed with it back then.

          So take your brainwashing somewhere else. You’re just trying to convince yourself that you’re correct. I KNOW I’m gay, now–in the true, ORIGINAL sense of the word. Nothing ‘insecure” about =me.= That’s for those who don’t know reality, or what they really are. I feel sorry for you & all such self-deluded people.

    • mac12sam12

      There will be sexual assaults just like in the military.

  • AustinSA

    As an Eagle who earned his God and Country and God and Family I detest this. Scouting is an organization that has long accepted boys and young men regardless of their faith, and if one person’s faith leads them to think that just because the guy singing campfire songs next to their child is gay that they should pull their child out of scouting, then they have lost the purpose of scouting. Scouting teaches young men how to become better men, and a man does not berate others for being different that he is. In the Scout Laws we find that we should be friendly, courteous, and kind, and any so called “fallout” caused by this decision is none of the above. I pity the son whose parents fear that because he has a mental illness. What they don’t realize is that what “He will follow” is a trend of tolerance that 53% of the United States now agrees with, a trend that is going to lead to equality for LGBT couples, and a trend that is Christian. After all, did Jesus not tell us to love outsiders, those different from us, and our neighbors? The last paragraph of this article quotes a scoutmaster as saying: “We hoped to keep sex and politics out of Scouting.” I’m glad that by accepting Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation, the BSA finally has.

    • JoeThePimpernel

      It is the deviants who are the bullies.

      And you were never an Eagle Scout. You’re a hired spambot.

      • AustinSA

        I don’t follow you.

        • CricketBug

          Words, that’s all you’ve got. You can’t prove you’re who you say you are. I could tell you I’m the Duchess of York and expect you to believe me. BTW, the average age for earning the Eagle Scout status is 17, so that’s all the more reason to think you may be embellishing. You might have been a cub scout, but that’s probably as far as it went if you never understood it was founded as a Christian organization.

        • agbjr

          That explains your thought process; 15 is entirely too young to be an Eagle Scout. The responsibility that goes with the award is great and at 15 a boy is not mature enough to understand such responsibility. Yes, you may have completed all the requirements however you likely did not comprehend the lessons taught – personally I blame your scout leaders and board of review. The age requirements for First Class and above should never have been removed; 17 is the correct and mature age for Eagle Scout.

          • AustinSA

            I’m sorry, but to quote a certain VP candidate, that’s malarky. Scouting is an organization for young men. A man who has completed his requirements at 15 is 25x more likely to be more prepared for the honor. When I went in for my BoR the board sat there and congratulated me on pushing myself and staying committed to Scouting, not loafing around like the “boys that rush it in right before they’re 18″. If you have problems with my thought process, address it directly and not me personally.

          • agbjr

            You should know I am a trained scoutmaster with more than twenty-five years developing and administering our troop program. In that time I have carefully mentored and signed-off twenty-five Eagle Scouts out of our troop and mentored a few from other area troops. I have spent many years at summer camp with our troop and on staff as provo scoutmaster and councilor. I have always closely monitored the advancement progress of our Scouts being careful to make sure they moved at a moderate and age-appropriate pace; they were encouraged but never too quickly accelerated. Moving through requirements and rank within two years may be possible but the boy has no chance to process and comprehend each step – he becomes a robot performing a task not a youth practicing learned skills. A thirteen year old boy may believe at his age he is ready to be an Eagle – and his parents always agree he is the perfect leader – however he is still inexperienced and in most cases immature to carry the responsibilities that go with the honor.

            From your own comments I am seeing you are frankly too full of yourself. You did not advance and attain rank just by your own accord – there were many adults and fellow Scouts who kept you interested and focused. An Eagle Scout is never a product unto himself.

        • Jackson_Howard

          Don’t bother replying to him, he’ll never be able to hear you.
          I respect your opinion.

      • ShamanBlair

        I still recall a recording of dozens of homosexuals outside a church, during service, LOUDLY screaming obscenities, angrily making graphic threats against the members who had to lock themselves inside & pray for protection. Outside they pounded on the windows & doors, laughing like drug-addled demons, BULLIES…EVERY…ONE!

        They hate God & the Church from their crowns to their toenails, & have openly declared they mean to kill it.

        They can’t, but that won’t stop them from trying!

        • Jackson_Howard

          Where was this? Fantasyland?
          Where were the police? Where were the reporters?
          I really doubt your story.

          • ShamanBlair

            You’ll have to Google it up for yourself, since I can’t even remember, as it happened so many years ago. But you probably would deny it even when you’ve heard the recording of it yourself. You might try asking attourney Jay Sekulow of the ACLJ, or maybe some other conservative organization. It’s for sure no LEFTIST outfit reported it. I believe I first heard it reported on some radio program, but, I could be mistaken, after this long.

            In any case, it’s hardly a unique experience. Even the NYT wasn’t able to ignore it when some big church there in NYC was invaded by more of these foul-mouthed freaks during a service, vandalizing whatever was in their path, & trashing Communion, shouting filthy slogans at the church members, etc.

            It went before a judge, but all that happened was that the militants were given a financial slap on the wrist, a couple hundred dollars or so, as I recall. NO jail time.

            So I have no fear of telling you or ANYONE the truth. Too many people have been attacked & bullied by these rude people. It won’t always remain hidden, whether you like it or not.

    • AustinSA

      Furthermore, I would like to discuss this with the author. Perhaps she could grace the comments with her presence?

    • NewYawkahBroad

      Boy Scouts is a Christian organization. Would you be SO BOLD as to say something like this to a religion whose members fly airplanes into buildings to MURDER THOUSANDS?? Yeah, I THOUGHT NOT!!

      If you don’t like it, FORM YOUR OWN ORGANIZATION!

      • AustinSA

        I don’t see how 9/11 and an amendment to a BSA policy correlate at all. Therefore I find that the premise for your argument is flawed. Your usage of entire words formed in capital letters did not assist me in finding any premise for which to respond to.

        Here are a few facts for you to ponder while you formulate a response. Most of the worlds Muslims are in Asia. Most are not in fact terrorists. They worship the same God as Christians do, and even believe in the teachings of Jesus along the same line as we do. There is a badge for most world religions in Scouting (http://www.usscouts.org/advance/cubscout/religious.asp#Islamic). My tenacity has nothing to do with my communications with Muslims. All the ones I have met have been just as decent as the Christians I have met.

        • NewYawkahBroad

          No! Muslims and Christians do NOT (Oops, did I usidid that nasty caps locks again?) worship the same God FYI!

          Islam doctrine, Asian or not, is CLEAR about the destruction of infidels and Christian doctrine is clear about forgiveness and loving their enemies!

          I see the ‘correlation’ of BULLYING Christian organizations at every turn but NEVER saying a WORD to Muslim organizations completely non-flawed. It’s a broken record! Only c-o-w-a-r-d-s (There…is that better?) attack an organization whose religious beliefs will not incur enough wrath as to incite a member to strap on a shrapnel bomb because of the imagined offense.

          Simply because you have such a flowery command of big words doesn’t necessarily make a ‘correlation’ regarding common sense. Your online link does not impress me. No bully does.

          • deals19@charter.net

            The Muslims say they worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Guess what? that’s the same God Christians and Jews worship.

          • AirFrank

            They can say what they want it doesn’t make it so. The god they worship we call Satan.

          • AustinSA

            Thank you for your compliment at the end. I assure you I’m not trying to bully you, but this article and your comments sure make it seem like you’re trying to bully Scouting.

            (Also, just as a pet peeve, there is no “Asian” Islam doctrine, just as there is not an Asian Christian doctrine).

            There is one verse in the entire Quran that can be interpreted as justification for killing. I dare you to read the Old Testament and see how many more you come away against. If anything, we as Christians preach to love our neighbor and Muslims “preach” (there is not a worldwide ecclesiastical structure for Islam) brotherhood and adherence to one God (which comes from the time of Arabic gods before Muhammed, just as you see references to ba’al in the OT).

            As the man below me already replied, they do worship the same God. It is a fact and arguing it does not get us anywhere, neither does referencing suicide bombers (there were Christian ones too, remember back in the Troubles with IRA?) and neither does accusing me of being a bully.

          • Jackson_Howard

            A bully? How is that reply bullying?
            Remember the Spanish Inquisition? Was that your God that was being worshipped?
            Many, many innocent people were tortured and murdered by “religious fanatics”. Yes, the Christians did that.
            Remember the Crusades? That was in the name of Christ also.
            What religion was the bully then?
            Oh, am I a bully for pointing out your errors?

            And actually, Muslims and Christians and Jews all worship the same God. It is Christ and Mohammed that make them different.

            Bully for you.

      • deals19@charter.net

        BSA is NOT a Christian organization. Most scouts are Christian, but there are also Jewish and Islamic scouts.

        • Rattlerjake

          James West was instrumental in expanding the third part of the Scout Oath:
          To help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

          He also pushed to add three parts to the Scout Law: brave, clean, and reverent. He then pressed article III of the constitution of the BSA, now known as the religious principle:

          Boy Scouts of America believes that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.

        • Jackson_Howard

          And gay scouts.

    • Larry Stauth

      Austin, let’s explain what “intolerance” really means.

      A person has the right to address their feelings and choose to not be supportive of an ideal or behavior.

      It is you, that actually defines “intolerance”, in that you choose to berate individuals with a different point of view. The liberal media is making a point to also berate those that just simply do not support the idea that “homo sexually is acceptable”

      But those same church folk are not going about bashing the opposition, nope, instead they are just CHOOSING to not encourage, contribute nor participate…

      There is a HUGE difference between being Intolerant and Non-Supportive.

      Austin Asked: “After all, did Jesus not tell us to love outsiders, those different from us, and our neighbors?”

      Answer… NO! Matthew 22:36-40
      “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “’Love the Lord your God with all your heart
      and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the
      first and greatest commandment

      So why would he tell you to Love someone who would purposely be opposite the very nature of God?

      In fact, Jesus said “Love thy Neighbor”, then goes to great length to define WHO a neighbor is… and it’s not as general as you claim.

      Jesus also ordered the Disciples to take the word to all the cities, and those that did not accept, they were told to depart and “dust off their sandals”… as in.. don’t even leave town with their dust on your shoes.

      • Blair

        And when the Pharisees sought to justify themselves by asking “And who is our neighbor”, Christ responded with a parable and this statement: “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these, ye have done it unto me.”

        God loves everyone – we are His children. He doesn’t condone sin and doesn’t ask us to. Christ was very clear with this after He forgave the woman taken in adultery, issuing the directive to “Go, and sin no more.” I think what many forget is that there is a difference between being tempted and ACTING on the temptation. It is not a sin to be tempted – it is the act that condemns us.

        The Boy Scout policy here doesn’t condone the action, it recognizes the temptation and attempts to provide a positive outlet and values to help young men deal with these temptations in a positive way. We need to separate the ACT (which is to be condemned) from the INDIVIDUAL (who is to be loved).

        • Larry Stauth

          I do believe you are getting your parables mixed up, because your confusing Luke 10, with Matthew 5:43. And it was ONE man, not the Pharisees…

          Translation in the NIV…

          Luke 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

          26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

          27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

          28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

          29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

          30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[e] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

          36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

          37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

          Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

        • Larry Stauth

          Now, my point, the Gospel warns time and again, to steer clear of those to blatantly disregard the Word. We are to show compassion for the weak, but we are suppose to also suppose to uphold the righteous.

          We are to care for the sick, not take on their sickness. We are suppose to show love and mercy for those weaker. But we are also warned to NOT allow certain things in/around.

          James warns about it, Paul wrote of several times warning that certain people needed to steer clear or they needed to be removed, Peter also goes to length to warn of sexual sins.

          We are called to love those accepting of the love, but we are not to allow the sin in our lives. It is warned time and again, just examine the recourse of David, after adultery and murder, while his sins may have been forgiven, the cancer from it spread through his house.

          • Blair

            So you are going to automatically declare that all these boys – none of which are even old enough to vote – have “disregarded the Word”? In my religion, that is a judgment left to God to make. Everyone who is still alive has the chance to repent. And what better way to encourage this than to minister to them and work with them? Christ did this and was roundly criticized by the Jewish leadership, to whom he replied “Those that are whole need no physician.”

            I also am left shaking my head after reading your supposed justification using the parable of the Good Samaritan. Shunning these boys is the act of the priest or the Levite – passing by the wounded traveler on the road for fear of becoming contaminated rather than doing the charitable act and tending to their needs.

            As for me, I’m going to stop and help. If you choose to pass them by, so be it.

    • agbjr

      Do you wish to be the respondent in a molestation law suit because under your leadership an eleven-year-old Tenderfoot Scout was sexually assaulted at camp by your sixteen-year-old Senior Patrol Leader? That is a responsibility I will NOT take! Because I will not put my reputation, personal finances, property, and family in legal danger I have resigned my twenty-five year tenure as Scoutmaster.

      I suggest you re-examine the responsibilities you have as an Eagle Scout.

    • Charie

      Since when is LGBT a “faith”? I see them as a bunch of bullies set on making everyone not only accept them but putting their imprimatur on their various lifestyles. As they’ve never shown me a reason to do this and many reasons to not do so, I won’t.

      I also want to say that I have never done anything to one of the LGBT to harm them, to keep them out of a club, keep them from a job or anything like it. I, just like most people, have known homosexuals and lesbians and was friends with a few of them. and would never wish them ill. But then, my friends would not have tried to bully me into going against my conscience and my faith.

    • Larry Stauth

      So, Charlie, do you not see the disconnect between the way people have attacked the Catholic Church because of a hand full of sexual predators, but not see that some are concerned about allowing the same in the BSA?

      A person has the right and will to make what ever lifestyle choices they wish. Anyone can deny the existence of God… it doesn’t mean they are right.

      I accept they make those choices, I also accept NOT to give their choices approval, outside acknowledging it is their choice.

      In other words, they can do what they like, but I will choose to not be a part of it.

      • AustinSA

        You can probably tell by my screen name that my name is not Charlie. While it doesn’t rile me, it does set the precedent for the rest of my argument. You misperceive what I am saying. I am calling the author out for being hypocritical and trying to say that Scouting is somehow turning it’s back on people when in reality it is sticking to its guns. As you say, people have the rights to make their own choices, but if I am hiring people I can never reject them on the grounds that they have a different racial heritage than I do, and neither should the Boy Scouts of America reject the homosexual members of our communities who have a lot to add to the organization.

  • JoeThePimpernel

    In Ubamaworld, it is mandatory to support the Gay Scouts of America and if you don’t, you will be prosecuted.

    • NewYawkahBroad

      Correct! W-E can’t be intolerant of T-H-E-M, but T-H-E-Y can be intolerant of W-E!!!!

  • NewYawkahBroad

    WE have the RIGHT to LEAVE the Boy Scouts for WHAT EVER REASON WE DEEM FIT!!

    What’s the matter? YOU FORCED yourself into the game and now you’re throwing a toddler tantrum because THE BIG KIDS are taking their equipment and going home?? TOUGH S**T, SHERLOCK!!

  • NewYawkahBroad

    P.S. BIG FINGER TO THE COMMUNISTS MONITORING MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT!!

  • CHS

    Interestingly enough, the support of Boy Scouts by a congregation, is nowhere authorized in the Bible. Churches, at least those adhering to the Scriptural standards, cannot sponsor a secular organization, whether it be Scouting, a food pantry, or a school, a university, or an orphan’s home. While those are good works, and nothing keeps MEMBERS of that congregation form supporting the same, or putting together a secular organization to support the same, there is no authority for the use of church funds to do it. The members of the church (not the church) could then set the requirement that all members of the scout organization would have to be members of the church, which should solve the membership problem.

    • CricketBug

      You’re not a Christian, are you? While the Bible doesn’t specifically command churches to join groups, it exhorts all Christians to do good deeds as a means of honoring God. The Boy Scouts are no longer honoring God, so many churches feel that they should withdraw from an organization that does not expect its members to honor their God.

      • CHS

        Yes, as a matter of fact, I am – There are three sources of authority in the Bible – direct command, example, and necessary inference. “Go forth and teach” is a command. “Be baptized for the remission of sins” is another. Examples include meeting on the first day of the week. Necessary inferences include the use of a building for worship as being allowed (not required). Honoring God is still required – read the resolution. While I believe it was stupid for them to make the change, it does not allow any sort of sexual conduct. I for one will stay in and continue to fight the good fight against any more change and against this change.

        • ShamanBlair

          Yet. It doesn’t allow it YET. If you think that won’t come, you’rre unaware of their history & their goals.

    • Larry Stauth

      Interestingly enough, just about ALL of those forms of community organizations have roots in churches.

      Public Education was created in Massachusetts by a group of churches. All original Universities in the US were founded by individual churches in their areas.

      The concept of Food Pantries was founded by the churches and ALL Orphanages prior to 1970, were afforded by the churches in the areas.

      BSA was founded by the church, it was meant to keep the boys from mischief and teach them to be leaders in their community.

      The point is, many people had developed emotional ties through family ties. The fact is, the secular world took over this organization, just like everything else.

      • CHS

        Your examples of churches” departing from what the Scripture allows are not convincing. BSA has been used by the churches as part of their youth program, but it wasn’t “founded” by the churches. Please show me the direct scriptural references for allowing founding of school, pantries, orphans’ and old folks’ homes, etc…any reference applies to the individual, not to the church organization simply because it is convenient.

      • agbjr

        As much as I echo your sentiments I must take you to task for stating “BSA was founded by the church …” – you are very incorrect.

        As a twenty-five year scoutmaster who also stands firmly against any membership policy change I must emphasize Judeo-Christian values exist within Scouting but the Scout Law proclaims AMERICAN values. It is non-denominational; units are chartered to churches of all faiths, Jewish synagogues, and local service organizations. The values embodied in the Ten Commandments are the basis of our Judeo-Christian values but they are also the values of America.

        Sadly, I have resigned my scoutmaster position effective 12:00 AM, January 1, 2014, the moment the new policies are scheduled to become effective. My fidelity to the Scout Oath precludes my being involved with this new, bastardized version of Scouting.

  • Sandra Arnold Carroll

    Why aren’t they demanding that the muslim organizations allow gays???

    • ObozoMustGo

      We all know the reason for that one Sandra… they both support the same leftist freak ideological agenda, and agenda trumps truth. Besides, the gays are afraid of the muzzies.
      Have a nice day!

      • Sandra Arnold Carroll

        Yeah I know…but when is everyone going to get sick of the crazy hypocrisy on the left and their wacko radical friends??? I for one am so sick of it that if it were an actual illness I would be at deaths door!!!

        • ObozoMustGo

          The stone cold truth is that there is no end to it. The BSA change is only sypmtomatic of the greater decay in the culture, and continued assualts on liberty. Unfortunately, the death of the patient (USA) is nearly certain. I cannot rationalize a way out of it.

          Have a nice day!

          “Society is endangered not by the great profligacy of a few, but by the laxity of morals amongst all.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

        • Floyd Strickland

          like you Sandra I’m sick of it also

  • Blair

    Has anyone actually read the new policy? The policy in no way condones the practice of homosexuality. It allows those who self-identify as having same-sex attraction to participate as Scouts as long as they don’t practice. Further, the BSA refused to lift the ban on openly homosexual leaders.

    If we are truly concerned about the boys, why not put them in an organization that can provide them with standards of the highest quality and opportunities and activities second to none that can help them deal with their emotions in a positive manner?

    • CathyK

      They used to be “an organization that can provide standards of the highest quality and opportunities and activities second to none” Once they gave into the “openly” gay part of the demands from the LGBT community they lost their moral compass and can no longer provide that high level of standards they once were able to give. One cannot say the BS Pledge and have it mean the same thing any longer!! That’s a FACT!

      • Samdromeda

        Has anyone read “The Pink Swastika?”

    • Floyd Strickland

      yeah if I can see where you’re coming from allow to me and love and embrace one another that homosexuals and we can deal with emotional problems in a positive manner give me a break

      • Alfred Ferguson

        Your homophobia could be much more effectively expressed if you enrolled in remedial English composition. Your rant is incoherent. Start at about the 5th-grade level.

  • Gail Carroll

    I do not for one second believe that homosexuals in scouting are the only sinners involved in that organization. Just because someone sins differently than you does not make them different from you. I do believe I have heard of pedophiles being removed from scout leader positions. Let’s see, a young boy can sit beside a homosexual and both learn moral and civic development and conduct or that same young boy can sit in a group that is led by a behind the scenes pedo, wife beater, drunk, etc. hmmm, I’d take my chances on the homosexual. Homosexuality is not contagious and will not hurt another individual. Some folks have their priorities out of wack.

    • Mac Boy

      “” Some folks have their priorities out of wack.””

      Yeah! – You Lefty-LIBS !!

    • antranchers

      You said it yourself. If imoraity is found to be true…they were removed.

    • Floyd Strickland

      if you call loving God and following God’s Word want to bring up your children under the protection of our spiritual and moral valuesthen I would play our priorities are in order you just don’t understand and I doubt you ever will

      • Alfred Ferguson

        “. . .play our priorities are in order. . .’” ?

        What?

    • Wanda Saxton

      I would be the first to admit that I struggle with sin. I John 1:8-10 says “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” However, there is a difference between struggling with sin while striving to practice all that God commands and sets out in precepts and a willful practice of sin such as that of sodomy. I John 1:5-7 says ” This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” So you see here that if one chooses to continue to willfully walk in a sin such as sodomy, pedophilia, adultery, lying, stealing, willfully practicing any sin they are not quailified to teach anyone the moral character that God wants taught. We can take examples of those who struggled with sin in the Bible but God still used them greatly in his plan. Why because they humbled themselves, and repented of their sin, turn away from that sin and strove to walk in the ways of God, maybe falling from time to time, but always seeking the forgiveness of God and turning from that sin that beset them. That is why God was able to use them.
      So, what is our priority, well Psalms 1:1-6 says ” Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. It clear here that Christian can not continue to support the Boy Scouts because the leaders have decided to turn their backs on God and to walk after ungodly counsel,
      stand in the way of sinners, and sit in the seat of the scornful.
      Now, if the leaders were to repent and return back to walk in Godly counsel, and stand with the Godly ways and sit in the sit with those who honour God as God and laugh in his face, then we as Christians can repent (change our minds as God does) and again to support the Boy Scouts of America.
      I pray that Christian will wake up and start taking a stand against the willful practice of sin, the such as sodomy, etc. I urge you Gail to take time to study your Bible and allow God’s Holy Spirit to lead you and direct you in right thinking.
      Our second priority is to Love the sinner…
      we need to reach out the individuals who are caught up in the sin of sodomy being deceived by Satan himself with the gospel of the Bible…
      John 3:16 “For GOD so loved the world that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON; that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. This belief though not just a simple okay God exist, but it involves believing that God gave his son to die for ones sins, admitting you are a sinner; Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Believe that our sins leads to a debt that needs to be paid; Romans 6:23a “For the wages of sin is death;” then believe that you are not able to pay this debt yourself; Ephesians 2:8-9 ” For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. and believe that someone (God’s Son) paid that debt for you (Ephesians 2:8) Romans 6:23b “but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5: 6-9 “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” If you believe all this which involves trust, faith, willingness to allow God to change you, then all you need to do is what it says in Romans 10:9-10 and 13 ” That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
      I do believe that we as Christians have had our priorities way out of wack and it is time we get back on line with out priorities… Stand against sin and immorality and to reach out to individuals who are caught in the deception of satan and preach the gospel to them.
      How about you… are willing to get on board with me and other Christians who are not going to bow to the ungodly counsel of the media and the government. Take our stand against wickedness of every kind and then get out in the highways and byways of life and preach the gospel loud and clear, praying for sinners to repent and come to the saving knowledge of God.

    • Alfred Ferguson

      It is the witchcraft hysteria of 17-th century New England, Gail Carroll, bubbling to the surface. Again. The revulsion toward “the other”–the “not me”–and, therefore, not really of this world, or belonging here, possibly even of Satanic influence or motivation.

      It is an old, old story–told and re-told, variations on a theme: most prominently displayed whenever the two most fertile fields for sowing irrational hatred happen to lie fallow: sex and religion, or religion/sex combined.

      A questioning of “the others” right to be here–amongst the company of we ourselves, “the saints”.

    • Jackson_Howard

      They’ll never hear you Gail, you’d need a time machine to go back to the 12th century to be on their level.

  • Kenneth Duncan

    If the oath changes, it is not the boy scouts of America any longer.

  • ObozoMustGo

    The real moral terpitude in the new position of the BSA is that a boy can be in a troop that has a so-called “gay kid” and yet that kid cannot become a troop leader himself. What’s a kid to think of such seeming hypocrisy? The BSA has stuck their foot in this pile of dung, and unfortunately there is no turning back. They have lost their moral authority by going against their historical position, which as a private organization they are 100% entitled to have, and now have a policy that makes almost no one happy. This is the beginning of the end of the BSA as it has been known since it’s founding.Too bad. Too sad.

    Have a nice day!

    “Men cannot abandon their religious faith without a kind of aberration of intellect and a sort of violent distortion of their true nature; they are invincibly brought back to more pious sentiments. Unbelief is an accident, and faith is the only permanent state of mankind.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

  • Are You Kidding?

    Does anybody remember something about Freedom of Association guaranteed in our Bill of Rights? SAD and SYMBOLIC chapter in America’s decline.

    Watch and spread these movies!
    ►Agenda: Grinding Down America
    ►2016
    ►Dreams from my Real Father(on Netflix Instant remarkably)

    • Floyd Strickland

      you only have to read the comments to get written hereto understand what we’re dealing with

  • ShamanBlair

    The HELL with the heterophobic MEDIA. That’s where they’re headed anyway. The sooner they get there, the better.

    They still think we CARE what they say! That takes a =special= kind of stupid, y’know? They actually think we can be cowed by their ignorant taunts. As IF. THEY. DON’T. MATTER.

    GOD matters. Our children matter. Our SOULS matter.

    Get stuffed, you heterophobic bullies. Your time is OVER. WE THE PEOPLE take care of ourselves now, & have our own outlets, the internet, phones, everything you once commanded is OURS.

    Don’t let the door hit you in the bum on your way out.

  • jaybird

    Start another group – Boy Scouts USA.

    • Floyd Strickland

      I agree with you 100 percent start another boy scout program we really don’t have to allow the left and liberal media to run our lives all we have to do your stand up Impala God’s Wordsend message

      • jaybird

        They need to screen the Scout Masters and run background checks so that people can have a safe place that they won’t have to worry about their children while they are away from them. It is not many places that children are safe anymore not even schools, churches or daycare. They need to be protected until they are old enough to make decisions for themselves or can protect themselves from ALL bad people.

      • HorseTeethSam

        No – it wouldn’t matter. Whatever group was started would soon be bullied into LGBT submission and would themselves be queered up.

        • ShamanBlair

          Over parents’ dead bodies!

    • agbjr

      Unfortunately these words themselves are copyrighted by the Boy Scouts of America. You can not use ‘boy scouts’ or ‘scout’ in any combination as an organizational name or BSA comes a’suing.

      • tgoyer

        I like Explorers, Pioneers, and Vanguards. No reason to use the “Scout” name.

        • agbjr

          You’ll have to drop “Explorers”, that’s a BSA program.

          • tgoyer

            I would think the BSA would have a difficult time on a copyright infringement case against a group called “Explorers of America” (not that they wouldn’t try…).

    • sikntyrd

      How about “The Conservative Boy Scouts of America?” Or “The Moral Values Coalition Scouts of America?” LGBT, liberals, Democrats, ACLU, and the unions are like termites that destroy the foundation of what is good in America.

      • Jackson_Howard

        Boy, you really have an open mind.

        • sikntyrd

          I do. I have friends and family who are gay but you won’t see me throwing away my values because I care for them. Why do the majority always have to bend over backwards for the minority? Why change the organizations, the make-up of private companies, and schools to accommodate something that is totally against others’ values? They cry for sensitivity – hey! That goes both ways. Why don’t THEY set up their own gay organization for children. If they want their gay children to become a scout, then set up one. Get some gay scoutmasters and maybe they will celebrate when the scoutmaster crawls into their tents at night… how about that? I can see it now… more lawsuits because something that was expected to happen will happen.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Ted R. Weiland

    “So as parents and pastors make the hard choice to cut ties with BSA on account of their new policy….”

    This is NOT a difficult choice at all–not if you love and fear Yahweh, God of the Bible, above everything else. And parents need to make this decision so that their children can see it’s a “nobrainer.” To Yahweh, sodomy is a capital crime (Leviticus 20:13). Consequently, this decision should be no more difficult than if the Boy Scouts were opening their doors to self-professed murderers.

    “The Boy Scouts of America are being pressured by today’s perverse society to renounce their long-standing policy and allow sodomites to join. This would not even be a consideration if this organization were still truly righteous. [Now that they have changed] their policy to accommodate homosexuals, they … find themselves fulfilling King Solomon’s proverb:

    ‘Like a trampled spring and a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.’ (Proverbs 25:26)….”

    For more, see “Will the Boy Scouts Fawn at the Feet of the Wicked?” at http://www.constitutionmythbusters.org/will-the-boy-scouts-fawn-at-the-feet-of-the-wicked/.

    • ShamanBlair

      Why am I reminded of the degenerates in Sodom howling at Lot’s door, begging him to let those beautiful angels come out so they could have sex with them?

      Evil never changes.

  • Alky

    In all fairness, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts should then be combined as one organization. Then heterosexual boys could leer at the girls and everyone could mutually enjoy themselves at camp. The pedophile and heterosexual leaders would all be equally aroused. Liberalism is a disease!!

  • WilliamSpires

    Today it’s homosexuals, tomorrow the child molesters who just want their equal rights. This is the goal of the sick people behind this, now they can legally persecute anyone who does not support the boyscouts decision and call them prejudiced.

  • Reagan8084

    “Jesus wept.” :’(

  • joan

    The Boy Scouts should have never caved in to this political agenda. That being said. Churches can deny services,and groups as they choose. Sepperation of church & state is suppose to protect this right ? Counter suits should be brought againts interferring groups aposeing this right. They should be liable and crimminal , includeing Judges for makeing this political. The Boy Scouts are not a church and fall under no such right. To excuse them is not church’s problem. Chruch’s need to band together on this issue. Of those that feel this way.You are going to have to STAND. And I mean STAND and FIGHT for your Rights. We out nunber them do not foget that.

    • Rattlerjake

      First of all there is NO SUCH THING in the Constitution, referring to SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! That being said, churches have the right to support or not support any organization they choose based on their religious beliefs. Any law suits would merely be frivolous and any judge who lets one of these suits go to court should be disbarred.

      • joan

        It comes from America’s BILL OF RIGHTS

        • Ragnar Dannezkjold

          I’m assuming you’re referring to Rattlerjake’s (correct) assertion that there is no “SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE” in the constitution. The only reference to religion in the bill of rights is “Congress shall pass no law establishing a religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. The only logical way to think of this as a “Wall of separation between church and state” is as a one way wall keeping state out of church. Also the term “wall of separation…” is from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury baptists, who were concerned that the government would interfere with their church. Thomas Jefferson was assuring them that the constitution prohibited such interference. It’s interesting that he was used as a source in the original court cases, as Thomas Jefferson had nothing to do with the authorship or passage of the bill of rights(he was in europe at the time). Also Thomas Jefferson attended church services in the House of Representatives. The First amendment also, by wording and original intent, only restricted CONGRESS from abridging the right, so states were free to have established religions (and many did, until 1843 when they decided to change).

    • ShamanBlair

      Just remember, at the Crucifixion, there were only three faithful people who gathered at the foot of the cross. Whether Godly people do or don’t outnumber the sinful is IRRELEVANT.

    • Jackson_Howard

      Actually, you are in the minority. A majority of AMERICANS think gays should be allowed to marry each other.
      And a large majority of young people think that way too.
      Come out of the 12th century. It’s not as scarry as you think.

  • agbjr

    Posted previously but worth repeating …

    The Truth About the BSA Membership Policy Change:

    Please go to the BSA National Council web site at http://www.scouting.org then go to the following sub-sites:

    1. Media Center: click on the red-lined “Membership Standards Review Voting Results”

    2. This brings you to the May 23 policy statement but note the sidebar for “Voting Member Information”. You may go through each item for further information however the one to examine carefully is “Summary, Research, Additional Information”; this is the sub-site with the most telling info but you must scroll down to “Membership Standards Executive Summary”. Here you will find frankly damning evidence to show the majority of charter holders, local councils, leaders, and parents do NOT support a change in policy.

    Be certain to read through ALL summaries. You will also find the BSA Board wanted the change however the ADVISORY Board did not.

    Excerpts:

    (keep in mind ‘current policy’ refers to exclusion of openly homosexual youth not the policy changes announced on May 23)

    The BSA’s Voice of the Scout Membership Standards Survey was sent to more than 1 million adult members, with over 200,000 respondents. The survey found:

    Respondents support the current policy by a 61 percent to 34 percent margin.

    Support for the current policy is higher at different program and volunteer levels in the organization:

    50 percent of Cub Scout parents support it; 45 percent of Cub Scout parents oppose.

    61 percent of Boy Scout parents support it.

    62 percent of unit leaders support it.

    64 percent of council and district volunteers support it.

    72 percent of chartered organizations support it.

    (The summary also shows of the four council regions ONLY the Northeast Region supports changing the policy; the Southern, Western, and Central Regions are overwhelmingly AGAINST the change)

    Conclusion: BSA National Council is frankly lying.

    • ShamanBlair

      So? Sin is sin. If a majority of people want to dive into a lake of sewage, this means I should jump in WHY???

      Noooo. God said no. I’ll just let the dead bury themselves; I’m not going there.

      • agbjr

        Exactly where are you going with this?

        • ShamanBlair

          Huh? Did I miss something, or did you not just post that the majority of people support the new policy? If you did, then my answer should be self-explanitory.

          • agbjr

            Have just read your comment posted after the above response … the new policy is NOT supported within BSA membership. BSA’s own percentages support the current and traditional policy NOT the politically correct changes scheduled for January 1, 2014.

          • ShamanBlair

            Did you see the =other post I sent you? Look just above your original post to me. It begins: Ooooookayyyy…I reread it…..”

          • agbjr

            Yes. Unfortunately by the phrase “posted after the above” I thought that was clear but now realize it was more confusing that clarifying … but at least we now know we ARE in agreement!

          • ShamanBlair

            Perzackly. /o) ^5!

      • ShamanBlair

        Oooookayyyy…I reread it, & I DID find what I’d missed. The word “not,” So it was the reverse of what I thought youi meant. My sincere apologies. I’ll now take off the down click mark, & put an up one on. but I’m still directing the sentiments of my post to those who SUPPORT the change.

  • palehorse58

    Have you noticed that all of the things that are going against christianity has really been ramped up since obummer has taken over.

    • HorseTeethSam

      Yup. And I think we ain’t seen nothin’ yet. They’re just getting warmed up.

  • palehorse58

    There is already is a christian organization for boys it’s called the Royal Rangers. Check it out.

  • Grayzel

    Any members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints reading this please inform me what the church is going to do about this. I do know that every Branch and Stake have a Cub Scout and Boy Scout program operating in their building. .

    • buckofama2010

      I read that they said they were cool with this.

    • Blair

      Please read the entire policy change. The Scouts are NOT allowing openly gay adult leaders, nor are they allowing practicing gays to participate in Scouting. They ARE allowing boys that have same-sex attraction impulses to participate in Scouts as long as they continue to live by the Scout Oath and maintain a morally clean lifestyle.

      The LDS Church has supported this position: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-responds-to-boy-scouts-of-america-policy-vote The policy is that as long as the participants agree to live by the standards of the Church (as outlined in the pamphlet “For the Strength of Youth”) they are welcome to participate in Scouting activities. The goal is to provide an avenue of support to help these boys remain “morally straight” and learn to deal with their challenges while remaining chaste.

      For those who aren’t familiar with the Church’s position, homosexual activities are considered a grievous sin. Same-sex attraction alone does not qualify as sin unless acted upon, however, just as opposite-sex attraction alone does not constitute a sin.

      • Grayzel

        Blair, did I make a judgment either way? Thank you for the information.

        • Blair

          Nope, I just always encourage people to read the entire statement. It’s way too easy in today’s world to have things taken out of context – intentionally or not.

      • Mickey

        You aren’t getting this, are you? The whole point of this is to infiltrate this once morally upstanding American institution and promote homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle. If you think that allowing openly gay leaders isn’t next on the agenda then you are naive to say the least.

        • Blair

          I’m not saying it couldn’t be. But it isn’t right now. What I see is the tendency to equate the _temptation_ to commit an act with the act itself. If we judge people based on temptation alone, we condemn not only them but ourselves as well. I say judge people based on their actions. If someone can learn to resist the temptation, we should do all in our power to assist them, and that is the position I believe the Boy Scouts are taking.

          If the Scouts ever decide to allow openly gay (actively gay) participants into the Boy Scouts, then that is a wholly different conversation. If that ever happens, I will be ashamed to be an Eagle Scout.

  • mac12sam12

    If all parents took their sons out of the Boy Scouts what’s left over is a new gay youth movement. They could have NAMBLA as their leaders.

  • http://drudgereport.com/ Myles Standish

    I’m not sure why we are assigning significance to what the liberal media and “leftwing blogosphere” have to say about this matter since it is common knowledge that their only interest is to bring down any and all institutions that are based upon Biblical principles.

    The BSA leadership made their spineless, Satanic decision and must live with the fallout. Too bad they only thought about themselves and not the troops.

    There is nothing stopping parents and disenchanted BSA members/leaders from forming a new scouting organization that will stand firm on their principles and not cave to sexual perversion.

    • Rattlerjake

      There is significance to what the libturds say. They have spread these and the rest of their lies every day through the media using tax dollars and conservatives have ignored it thinking it will go away or that they could prevent these lies from becoming reality with their vote. It’s far past time to take this assault on our nations moral and ethical standards seriously.

      • http://drudgereport.com/ Myles Standish

        Goodie! Lets fight amongst ourselves and make blanket statements that are untrue and inflammatory. If you actually believe that conservatives are ignoring our moral decline and the assault of the left, and are doing nothing to curb it, then you are either not paying attention, are failing to understand the meaning behind my words, or are arguing for the sake of arguing.

    • Pebbles

      The BSA has made any other decision by Christian churches impossible. What I do take umbridge with, however, is the fact that these 47,000 churches feel they have to broadcast their decision. Just pull their support, period. The BSA should not have to question why, and they knew this would more than likely happen when they decided to allow gays as members. The thought that they think they can bully them into continuing to support an ideology they know is abhorrent to God is rediculous. This nation is really sick, and the media is leading the way.

      • Pam

        amen what a sad day it was when they went against the Lord, just so Gov. could once again decide the fate of a group that has been around for 103 years socialism is just a step away

        • Sue Hand

          It is already here Pam. It has been coming from the educational system for many years. It must be stopped. We must get back to morality and ethics or we are doomed. God is around the corner.

    • obamathemarxist

      This is straight out of Marxist/ Leninist plan to bring communism in under the radar

  • buckofama2010

    Why didn’t they just start up a “Rump Rangers” program for the filthy perverts?. Now BSA must rewrite both the oath and the law or these perverts will be lying if they take the oath

  • intheloop54

    There is a moral alternative to the Girl Scouts, called Heritage Girls. I hope such a program will develop now for boys. I hope it’s only a matter of time.

  • grmarshallpe

    I was once in scouting……cub scout, boy scout, scout leader, scout leader training. I’m still proud of what scouting was. I have no use whatsoever for what scouting has decided to do or the gutless wimps that sold out. I suggest that all scouting participants opposed to this latest move should immediately withdraw and start a new version of scouting based on the former scouting principles. Leave the wimps with nothing more than another “club for queers and cowards”.

  • R Sava

    An alternative is rising. All former Scout leaders, this our chance to help form the BSA replacement.

    Google Faith Based Boys.

  • mjsorl

    I find it hard to believe that at age 8 of 12 years of age one knows that they are gay, I just can’t put my arms around this, as a young person reaches into the age of puberty and beyond I only see young men who have an issue with who they are, typically kids that have had a very unusual relationship forced upon them become a Gay person.

    I don’t believe that one is born gay, I have never seen a DNA study that points to something that says you are a same sex oriented person.

    I was a scout for 8 years, and at no time do I ever remember a fellow scout being”gay” but that was in the 60′s.

    I am so disappointed in the scouts, to think that they put at risk the kids that they have been entrusted with to the advances of unbalanced individuals.

    The scouting organization has lasted 103 years and will be in a decline.

    When one organization that provided core values to so many deems it must give into the organization whose goal is to overturn the family system, it should be blasted as a faiure of leadership. Something the Scouts of earlier generations understood. Todays scout leaders are nothing except politically correct losers. When a man can to stand for their core values, he is no longer a leader but a follower.

    • intheloop54

      I agree with mjsori. I’ve raised my boys and I’ve been around all their friends and cousins, and at ages 8-12 they do NOT think about whether they’re gay or not. I, too, do not believe anyone is “born gay.” I fear that obama and his flock of followers in this country put that idea into our kids’ heads. It is literally rammed down their throats (for lack of a better term). Kids are made to feel there’s something wrong with them if they DON’T think they’re gay! I’m so glad to know about Faith-Based Boys as an alternative to the Boy Scouts. I hope the Boy Scouts of America program crumbles under the weight of its members stampeding out the door.

    • maki000001

      They now have dna studies that imply who will be gay.It can be done.

      • obamathemarxist

        The human Genome has been mapped and I don’t remember a Gay gene being mentioned

      • Lee Saffold

        maki000001 You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Your ignorance is so obvious it is sickening. There is quite simply no such thing as a “gay gene” and only a fool would believe that there is such a thing. How about finding some proof for your assertions before you spout them out. At least then you would not be found talking such unscientific fiction!

      • James_Truckville

        Let’s assume this ‘gay gene’ exists. And let’s consider that genes cause certain diseases, such as cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, Marfan syndrome, Huntington’s disease, and hemochromatosis. Could we not, then, consider, with scientific logic, that homosexuality could also be a disease? And, if it’s a disease, wouldn’t we be wanting to find a cure?

    • ZoeOlivia

      the boy scouts must end because it promotes young ones to grow up with pride in themselves, their troop & their country. schools are introducing sex ed that messes with the kids. for some, during the transition time before puberty and during puberty, there can be some confusing feeling, that if left alone resolve themselves and the youngster can grow up with a normal life. what they are doing in school now is causing these youngsters to believe they are gay. this is what “they” want, a disruption to American values and way of life. it has become clear to my husband & I that there is a planned, well executed plan, to, as the man in the WhiteHouse say, “fundamentally transform” this country. we allowed ourselves to be bullied into silence and while many are waking up, there seems to be a deep apathy among the people. some are stunned, because they can’t conceive their govt would participate in one, let alone the many issues that are going on in this country,

  • carolrhill814

    All of this is truely sad this has to happen because the only people that are being hurt are the boys and that is simply NOT fair.
    God only knows how many gay boys and men were in Boyscouts that never ever came out and continued with life and did a lot of good things and nobody ever knew they were gay. This is why I hate titles to call certain people that are good people and once everybody knows their titles it is like there is something wrong with them but before they had this title they were regular folkes.

  • Jack Hammer

    This was the plan all along. The people who pushed this change knew that
    most of the BSA’s funding and sponsorship comes from churches. They
    didn’t want it to be inclusive, they wanted it destroyed.

    • William Henry Bowen

      Jack, I think you have the not-so-hidden plan of the leftists nailed.

      • Jack Hammer

        The BSA was one of the last organizations that taught traditional values to young men. In the Left’s eyes, it had to be eliminated.

  • colsooonscoorner

    My sons are too old to be affected. If something like this had come along while they were in scouting. My husband & I would have had no problem pulling them put of scouting! It would not have stood!

  • hibp

    This is a case of FREEDOM of choice, problem is when your choices ARE NOT THE SAME as liberals, they call you the ‘standard names’. I’ve said for years liberals are VERY INTOLERANT and do NOT WANT any voices heard except their own. They are tolerant IF YOU AGREE WITH THEM, thus very hypocritical. I don’t agree with the gay lifestyle and I can choose not to be around it.

  • Nam1

    Form a new BSA,an off shoot if you may. Adhere to strict codes of conduct..let the old get poisoned, let the new stay pure and never waiver.

  • David Hendrickson

    Make a new group called Scouts of America.
    Lay out the guidelines but expect the left to come fast and hard.

    • Doug Williams

      Let them bring it on and I’ll see your “political correctness and raise you one crusade”

    • Jeff

      Or the United Scouts of America! USA!

  • Sam

    This is what happens when you tolerate special interest group’s. It started with the Jews and has spread to every niche group since. Blame only yourself.

    • agbjr

      Please clarify, your comment is portraying yourself as a religious bigot … I sincerely hope that isn’t the case.

      • Sam

        I don’t happen to be religious but you need mental health care badly. I sincerely hope you seek it out.

  • Publius Flavius Vegetius

    “Whispers of litigation against these churches have already spurred
    non-profit legal foundations like Liberty Institute to take up potential
    lawsuits that are sure to come down the pike. It’s unfortunate that
    these institutions are being drawn into an ideological fight that they
    didn’t start nor go looking for.”

    Matthew 24:8-10 (KJV)

    8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

    • Jim

      Well put. we are definitely in the end times. We have a president that leans toward Islam. We have the liberal left that is anti-Christian. The computer is a key part. You can do everything on the internet. You can bank, shop, etc. But the biggest part is that your computer can be controlled by someone else. Cash is becoming obsolete. The stage has been set for the anti-christ. “Keep your eyes upon the eastern sky, for your redemption draweth nigh.”

  • hayrake

    Nobody but liberals really give a flying fig what the liberal media has to say. And then there’s the lawsuits, which sound just plain unlawful. Awful. And I think they know it. They just want to keep on hammering with the same old in your face rude attitude that has worked for them for so long. Like we’ll get tired and give up. No sir. Time for Christians to meet that in your face attitude with one of their own. Our own. There’s too much at stake not to.

    • Jeff

      Countersue! Countersue! Countersue! Countersue! Hit them where it hurts, in the wallet!

  • ltroide

    I would never allow my son into an organisation where he might be accosted by gays, whether leaders or fellow scouts. Gays have utterly brainwashed the (il)liberal media. There is nothing remotely “normal” about the gay life style. The “love” that once dared not speak its name is now the “love” that won’t shut up! What’s next? Oh yeah. Polygamy. “Marrying” your cat — after all, you “love” her/him/it. Where does it stop? Counter-arguments? I’m a “homophobe”! (NOT!). Name-calling is not an argument.

    • obamathemarxist

      Agree, just look at our Military, male on male sexual assaults have increased

  • Tish Morgna

    The homosexualists are now trying to force associations of christian children with anti-christian children? Figures.

  • Gabriel Alan King

    The country used to be divided North / South. Now it’s divided Left / right- and we are seemingly at an imminent state of civil war. The DHS being caught ordering hundreds of thousands of targets of white middle class Americans including pregnant women and children. And DHS and Army and other gov documents declaring Christians, Constitutionalists, home schoolers, people using cash, Veterans, libertarians, gun owners, and others as “domestic terrorists”.

    When did Americans lose their backbone? Millions of patriots loyal to the Constitutional Republic and Christ will have nothing to lose at some point- and will be awfully pissed off and looking for someone to blame for this treason.

    My advice? I would start scratching that Obama sticker off the car if I was you- you degenerate liberal idiots.

  • http://www.facebook.com/loran.carlson Loran Carlson

    I see no problem with the decision to pull out of scouting. This is not a nation where we are told what we can and can’t do with our associations. Now the scouting council has voted top become affiliated with the LGBT people, so we have decided that we do not want to be in that association. Let them say what they will. We are living by Gods word. That supersedes everything.

    • joe green

      tel thats what iam talking about right on

  • violater1

    Bigotry!NOT!! Obediance to the word of God as they stand their ground to God First and Country second! This Scout movement is in direct contradiction to the Scout motto of old which will envariably fall to a substandard of their operation and they will surely fall to homosexual leadership rolls next thus there goes the whole ethical standards of scouting! It is a sad epitaph but they made their choice!
    Bye bye morality and Boys scouts you may join JC Penneys in total destruction for I do not believe .1% of the populace will bail you out but in fact they have helped you down the road of destruction! So sad but I do not sympathoze with those that have no guts or reverance!

  • PatCindyCunningham

    Would somebody please tell me what in the Hell is an openly Gay person? Do they go around with a sign? Do they proposition everyone they come into contact with? I am a Hetrosexual male but, I don’t advertize, until now. It is my business, no body elses. You don’t see openly Robbers do you? I am sick to death of them and there words. They know what they can do with there openly Gay!

    • Rita Slusser

      They do not have to be openly gay. Just look how they walk with a prance of a gay person, and an unmistakable wave of one hand, and the other placed on their hip. All members of the BSA should withdraw, and give up the entire BSA group to the Gays. See if they can come up with the funding to support it.

      • PatCindyCunningham

        That is all for show. The Democratic Party is in front of this and the same goes for the Military. I am sure Gays in the Military were told to try and get under the skin of a Hetrosexual trying to get them to do something. The Democratic Party and the Gay Liberation Front is one in the same. Politics first, that is what rules Liberals. It is also what will destroy this Nation unless we fight back.

        • joe green

          amen

    • Doug Williams

      Ha,ha..hit the nail with that one

  • Dean Moore

    The SBC has the Royal Ambassadors, the Assembly of God has the Royal Rangers, and I am pretty sure that they allow other Christian churches to have Royal Ranger posts as well (don’t know about RAs) so its not as if there isn’t a Christian alternative to scouts. I know the Mormons host a lot of scout troops, it would not be hard for them to start something on their own as well. This is the decision of the leaders of the scouts, let them live with it.

    • Running Elk

      Another group is pathfinderclub.com similar to scouts but it use to be boys and girls together, don’t know if it still is. I really enjoyed it when I was a young girl.

  • Jim

    Once again the liberal left who claims to be tolerant and claims the right to be intolerant proves that they are the least tolerant of all. You are tolerant as long as you agree with the views of the liberal left. We all have the right to our opinions and mine is that the Boy Scouts have made a gigantic mistake. I would like to point all Christian churches to take a look at the Assemblies of God. They have an organization called the Royal Rangers. They are similar to the Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts but are Bible based. Perhaps other church organizations could start their own such groups. It wouldn’t hurt to contact the AofG to see how the Royal Rangers run.

    • blackyb

      These liberals have an agenda. They are destroying every American Institution they can one way or the other. They do not have what it takes to sustain such an undertaking as the BSA. They just want access to your children on their terms. They know people will take their children out and that is a plus for them. But take them out of such an environment is what will have to be done. They think they win by destroying the Scouts and they think they win if people leave their children in there to be recruited into a gay and abominable lifestyle. These people are evil and many of them going along just because of a liberal agenda do not even realize what they are doing, but doing this they are.

    • joe green

      thats a great though

  • http://www.TruthsForYou.com/ LEO PIERSON

    What can we look back upon for guidance in this country? http://www.playdew.com

  • http://twitter.com/truthbeknown11 Terry Adams

    I guess if you believe in God and country makes you a bigot. Well I guess I must be a bigot. Wake up America the beast is upon you. fight it now or you may never have another chance.

    • joe green

      gess iam one to thank god

    • Jeff

      Next, they’ll want gay scoutmasters, and then wait until some scouts, if there are any left, get molested! Lets see how the media reacts to that!

      • ShamanBlair

        They’ll simply not report it. They’ve used =that= practice for many decades. I was involve in radio in the ’60s; I witnessed this & other tricks they used to lie &/or hide the facts. It’s one reason I removed myself; I was reared properly. I VALUE the truth!

  • Barbara

    At the risk of betraying my age, the gay folks I knew “back when” did not seek their orientation. Only in the last 20 years have I personally noticed active recruiting of teenagers to the gay way in our public schools (A sign of the times?). I also remember that none of the gay folks I knew could, by their own willpower, extricate themselves from their orientation.

    Yet those who declare Jesus (Y’shua in the Hebrew) as their Lord, Savior, and Messiah have access to the life-making and life-changing God if they want to live happily according to scriptural dictates: Christ IN you, the hope of glory. Through Him, two of my gay friends are now happily hetero, and many churches sing the music of yet another now-happy-hetero: Dennis Jernigan.

    May this same Holy Spirit in y’all

    likewise light your paths in these dark days.

    • blackyb

      Good advice.

  • twinelm

    Homosexual preference is indeed SIN as it is unrestricted sexual lust and perversion, same sex or otherwise, it is STILL SIN. Period. And parents would be DERELICT IN THEIR DUTY if they don’t pull their kids out pronto. Calling me a homophobe or racists or whatever doesn’t change one iota the fact that sin begets sin and God fearing parents do not want their children tainted by Satan’s brush. Because that is what this is. Satan.

    • blackyb

      I would not care what those idiots called me. Take your kids away from their planned smorgasboard. They are sick.

    • joe green

      amen

    • Breezeyguy

      A temptation is not a sin. But yeah, I agree this is a step in the wrong direction. It should never have even been a question.

  • Melissa Katsmom Votano

    People are entitled to their opinions and feelings which one would think those touchy-feely liberals would be behind 100%. That is about all they ever talk about anyway so if they are allowed to be offended so are the Christians. Being in the BSA is not a requirement it is an option and if these parents and other Christian organizations don’t want to support a group whose policies fly in the face of their moral code then they have every legal right to leave or discourage membership in the BSA or any other group they deem to be against their beliefs. Maybe we should force all these crybabies to join the Muslim Brotherhood and let them see real hate and discrimination…..that touchy feely whiny crap wouldn’t go too far with them.

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      The touchy-feely whine is ONLY so long as what you feel conforms to their agenda; when you deviate, they become as positively hateful as they claim Christians are.

      • Melissa Katsmom Votano

        Yep.

  • David Hendrickson

    Sadly I used to be in the Cub and Boy Scouts.
    Choice is a word I hear a lot from the liberal left/media. It is all about having choices.
    If the BSA wishes to change they can most certainly do so, we Christians have zero power to change things like that.
    What power we do have is our religion.
    If what the BSA or anyone else does, does not fit into OUR lifestyle we can remove ourselves from theirs.
    Discontinue sponsoring BSA chapters, pull your sons and daughters out of groups that directly challenge your religious beliefs.

    Do start your own, pattern it off of the BSA make it well known what it stands for and that you will not change because the liberals demand it. Cloak it under the constitution so it becomes a matter of the liberals trying to destroy religion.
    Make them work for every penny,

    I know I will be approaching the Elders in my church about this and I encourage all of you to do the same.

    • Tony Donaldson

      Start the SSA. Straight Scouts of America

  • SpecialK622

    As Christians, we all have a responsibility to protect our boys and young men from this dehumanizing act called sodomy. In Mark 9:42 Jesus gives a warning, “But if you cause one of these little ones who trust in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone hung around your neck.”

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      Don’t look now, but Girl Scouts are next up.

      • Breezeyguy

        The girl scouts fell into bed with Planned Parenthood years ago.

        • Sandra Lee Smith

          Planned Parenthood, yes, but not the homosexuals as yet. That was what I meant.

      • ShamanBlair

        You’re way too late. They went PC =years= ago, approving of planned exParrenthood, for example, & promoting homosexual leaders. Knowingly….

        • Sandra Lee Smith

          You sure about the homosexuals? I did know about planned parenthood, and BC pills, etc.

          • ShamanBlair

            100% positive. It might not be “official,” as with the BSA’s pledge, but it’s common knowledge among the leaders. My best friend’s sister’s a leader, a homosexual, & casually talks about the overwhelming support of such women & girls, & their push to make such girls accept homosexuality as “normal,” Had I not been like her in those days, I’m not sure she’d have been as open with me. These days I suppose I confuse her, since I “switched teams.” She KNOWS I was never hateful or “homophobic.”

          • Sandra Lee Smith

            That’s pathetic. IF it were simply “acceptance” they want, they HAD that in truth; what they want is to be considered “normal” and that “just ain’t so” as Will Rogers would say. More, they seem to believe they should have special rights and privileges, above us… I feel sad for people who, rather than get the therapy they need, feel they have the right to shove their sickness on others, and continue in their sinful and sick ways, flaunting it as if it was a badge of honor somehow.

          • ShamanBlair

            I agree, basically, but I don’t view it as a “sickness” needing “therapy.” I see it as a SIN–a =spiritual= “illness,” if that helps you understand. =Sin= needs repentance, a marrow-deep knowledge of God’s ability to help one change, as well as complete trust He WILL forgive anyone who =sincerely= regrets the harm one’s caused. Last, one must make a willing & cheerful penitence.

            Now-a-days, many people scoff at this “old-fashioned” idea, but we who’ve been in the eye of the storm KNOW it’s the only thing that works, no matter =what= is the nature of the sin.

          • Sandra Lee Smith

            I agree; but sin actually creates a sickness of the soul, which was why Jesus so often interchanged between what appeared to be healing of a physical or soul ailment, and simply saying “your sins are forgiven”, which He explained to the Pharisees and Sadducees as being one in the same thing. But as the people afflicted with this problem, which they almost certainly learned before their conscious memories were really forming, also KNOW they’re separated from God, whether they consciously admit that even to themselves or not, offering therapy rather than apparent condemnation MIGHT open their hearts and minds a bit more easily than seeming to condemn. It does affect the physical brain as much as the soul, in fact, in the way the early pathways are laid out, and learning to recognize that and stop them, by interception in a way, is a step in recovery, that they do need to learn or constantly feel as if they’re failing, and really not in communion with God. That might seem confusing, it does take a degree of understanding how the brain works and how the mind works as well, that most really don’t have, unless they’re in the field. That was why I used sickness. It IS a soul sickness, caused by sin, but sometimes one step at a time works better.

          • ShamanBlair

            Hm. Interesting POV, but it begs this 3-way observation: It’s a =modern= viewpoint which prefers to call sin “sickness.” I believe there’s at least one book which refersto this recent tendency, calling us a “theraputic society.” Frankly it was conceived as a way to eliminate religion as a “serious” factor in people’s lives, by atheists. You may understand my suspicion in light of this….

            Too, the Christ always spoke in the vernacular of His times, the better to be understood. Thus, at times, we largely urban readers have difficulty relating to His imagery, not knowing much about the farming, herding societies….

            Three, it would be unusual for Him to put such verbal pillows around His words, to attract people who might otherwise be afraid or confussed. Just like His cousin, St. John the Baptist, He spoke clearly & firmly about sin & how we had to repent of it. Are you aware, by the way, that He spoke more often (at least, it’s recorded more often in the Bible) of Hell than Heaven?

            I realize He could be fierce as well as gentle when the occasion called for it; I’ll need to reread those episodes to see how they’re nuanced.

            I =do= know about the way the brain works. I’m not “in the field,” but it’s been an interest of mine anyway for more years than I can remember.

            Thank you for giving me this to think over! ;o)

          • Sandra Lee Smith

            Okay, let’s go at it a bit differently. In Jesus’ time in Israel, the people grew up with a knowledge of the law and the concept of sin; they read it in their Torah especially the men. What we now call Bar Mitzvah {I’m sure you’ve at least heard of it} is the rite of passage to “manhood” or the age of accountability; that is as ancient as Judaism. Remember the episode in the Temple when Jesus was 12? That would likely have been about the time He was ready for Bar Mitzvah, by which time He would be able to read any section of the Torah the priest handed him, as would any and all Jewish boys of his day; and the same today. So “sin” was a familiar and known concept. But the connection between sin and illness not so much. , unless it was believed to be a punishment for sin. What I was referring to is the soul sickness that sin always causes. But in our world today, “sin” is not really talked about; so you’re more likely to get people to seek help professionally through psychology, but the FIRST step is getting them to ADMIT they ARE sick, and need help. Once THAT hurdle is crossed, THEN you can discuss the tripartite nature of humans, and the connections between the sin and sickness of the soul, and how to proceed to truly heal it. Until you get that admission to the self, however, you’re just beating your head against a brick wall. It’s compounded by docs and others telling people who ARE blatantly soul-sick by their sinfulness that they’re really “okay”, it’s just hate and prejudice that cause others to reject their behaviors. It’s not I’m backing off on the sin aspect; just we need to get that “foot in the door” first.

  • SRNCOIC

    “The Naked Communist” is a late-fifties era book written by an ex-FBI agent lists 45 long-term goals for the communist agenda to destroy the US. Look them up—the author is spot-on in his predictions.

    Senator McCarthy is being vindicated every day.

    • Breezeyguy

      Got a link? I don’t want to google those words.

      • SRNCOIC

        Try Bing.

        • Breezeyguy

          Ha! Was using Bing for a while, til I discovered it’s Microsoft.

          • SRNCOIC

            Dude…just do it.

          • Breezeyguy

            Did it. If you put the search in quotes, you get valid results.

            Both the drug culture and the “sexual revolution” were probably instigated or at least helped along by stinking commies (“red socialists”) and their useful idiots. But there’s also the effects of the “brown socialists” (Nazis) like Margaret Sanger, who founded Planned Parenthood.

          • Sandra Lee Smith

            I’d suggest Firefox, but it uses Google too.

      • ShamanBlair

        Whyever not?

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      Yes he is; I remember how he was ridiculed and even vilified for those hearings, when I was a kid. But here we are stuck in JUST what he, and the whole Cold War were fighting against!

  • TRUTH IS

    Truth Now and Forever:
    The Media Sucks!

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      Part of the Lib problem is that they don’t like absolutes, and truth is an absolute; it’s not fluid, it’s not “his truth, her truth,” it’s simply absolute TRUTH.

  • wfwilson6

    The US government should not expect that heterosexual, straight Americans will ever come to respect or embrace homosexuality or the LGBT family. We don’t want to, and we don’t have to. It does not take a rocket-scientist to see that homosexuality is NOT normal.

    • NukeWaste

      Only liberal teachers can lie and say that Hetero males will accept male homosexuality. At best we tolerate it. We will never accept it. We are hard wired against it. Its fine for you. Not for us. As for females, the true supporters of this circus, drunk girl on girl amusements have been a staple of college parties. Never guy on guy.

  • Ronald Nelson

    The various Christian Religious Denominations that have supported the Boy Scouts with their funds and manpower should not only withdraw their young men from Scouting but should join together to sue the BSA for a refund of all their previous financial support… due to the fraud they perpetrated by changing the FUNDAMENTAL definition of MORALLY STRAIGHT that has been accepted since its inception.
    We must start to fight for our institutions and if that means suing the board of the BSA for breech of contract and damages then so be it. Let the Christian Denominational Churches seek sufficient settlement to establish a CSA… Christian Scouts of America.
    Convert the current BSA Troops who are sponsored by a local Church to a CSA organization.

    • Susan

      A class action lawsuit. Hm…

  • Dexter L. Wilson

    There is an alternative, start your own scouting org. or see if they can join the Royal Scouts which is an Assemblies of God org.

    • ChuckS123

      Royal Rangers, not Royal Scouts.

      • eddyjames

        Gay Royal Rangers can be known as Rump Rangers. Separate but equal. At least in theory.

  • websmith

    Scouting is not about sex but being gay is. Scouting is not a government institution and the government has no authority over the BSA. Neither does the public. Our country is about protecting individual rights. 3.5% of the population can be gay if they want. So, may the scouts be non-gay if they want. Other people besides gays have rights.

    • Susan

      Only in theory; apparently not in fact.

  • blair152

    I was never in the Boy Scouts. My brother was a Cub Scout.

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      I was a Girl Scout, later an assistant Den Mother for Cubs, and had 3 brothers in Boy Scouts. Also drove Troop 153 to camp outs for 3 years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.huggins.144 Paul Huggins

    Government needs to stay out of our business and that especially true for our children.. I’d take up arms in a minute against anyone, including government to protect my children. Homo’s need to stay with their own. keep your filthy. sinful hands and views away from our children.
    viet nam vet, well trained, ready and able to protect my children

    • DMG

      The damn problem is that the Christians don’t act like Jesus Christ turning over all the tables and beating all the immoral bastards to death. All Christians sit around like softy sissy’s letting the gays, liberals and muslims and gay black obama and his Federal cowardly Felon-us DOJ people push Christian heterosexuals around and the Christians just sit on their asses complaining like that’s powerful enough to do anything. Their stupid enough to believe that they don’t have to do anything – imaginary Angels from heaven will come here and rescue them and do all the fighting for them.

  • PennJim

    If I was a scout leader I would insist all my scouts adhered to being “morally straight”, even the ‘gay’ ones. Don’t like it, go somewhere else.

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      Homosexuality precludes “morally straight”. Think about it; if you’re committing a sin, you can’t be morally straight.

      • PennJim

        You are correct, up to a point. I only add that we are all sinners. Difference is that we confess, repent and do not carry on in our sins. If anyone continues in their sin, whether it be homosexuality, stealing, lying, etc., or if they profess their sin not to be sin, they certainly are to be disassociated from by those who confess and repent of their sin. We sin because we are born as sinners, we are not sinners because we sin. So, welcome to the boy scouts, here are the rules of scouting, obey or you are not welcome to remain.

        • Sandra Lee Smith

          The continuing act of practicing homosexuality IS sin, that is neither repented nor forgiven. I wasn’t trying to imply that those who turn from it, repent and seek healing/forgiveness aren’t forgiven and accepted. I’m all-too-aware we’re ALL sinners by nature, alas, but there is forgiveness when there is repentance, thankfully!

  • Duane Owen

    you can not be sued for you opinion, if you don’t want to be around these kind of people you don’t have to and neither does your family… they don’t want to follow our laws of marriage but want to push their view on us and our children, in the after life you have to deal with GOD… mess with my family and you will find i am not that forgiving

    • Jeff

      The only way to fight these gays and atheist is to hit them where it hurts, in the wallet, COUNTERSUE! That’s what all of America has got to start doing! Like when they don’t want little Jesus in a nativity scene at X-Mas time, Countersue! Find something to sue them about!

  • barleywheets

    I personally don’t see how that lawsuit could possibly hold any water?! People have the right to belong or NOT to belong.. to donate or NOT to donate.. !! Whats to sue? I don’t get it!

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      They’ll base it on anti-discrimination laws and the lib courts will support such suits. It’s all about destroying our rights and individuality.

      • mrsahc

        The only reason our rights are being destroyed is because of the compromised gospel from fellow “Christians” and the foolish form of Christianity that’s been preached from the pulpits in this nation for decades. Individuality, indeed.

        • Sandra Lee Smith

          Spirituality needed; of the Holy Spirit sort. Back in ’81 the Spirit told me, in so many words: ” the Glory has gone out”, and at the moment, I thought He meant just that one congregation with which I was involved at the time; because I’d been questioning some things there; silly me! He meant it’s gone out from ALL the churches of all the denominations globally! The more I learn and see, the more fully I understand that and why! What you posted encapsulates the reason; and that happened because enemy agents were permitted to infiltrate and neutralize by lies and deceits of the enemy for whom they work over a long period of time, gradually turning the churches from the true Gospel of Jesus to a “socialized, and ecumenism-friendly gospel” of who knows what! Not that it matters; it’s NOT the Gospel of Jesus and Salvation, and that’s ALL that does matter. “Go along to get along” doesn’t work in God’s economy!

  • kris littlefield

    The churches can pull their donations if they want too. Parents should pull their boys out. How does a young child know whether he is gay or not? That boggles my mind. Kids that age shouldn’t even be thinking about sex. Let the so called gay kids start their own organization instead of bullying their way in. Whole thing makes me sick….

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      But starting their own wouldn’t destroy the Judeo-Christian values on which Scouting, first Boys and then Girls, was founded. And THAT is the goal; not being in the organization per se. Just like the whole “marriage” issue isn’t because they want to be “married”, but because they want to destroy the whole concept of marriage. This is what happens when a society embraces this sinful lifestyle; it destroys that society from within, every time!

      • Tony Donaldson

        God will help with this . Just watch and wait a little while. You’ll see.

        • Sandra Lee Smith

          I know, I read the end of the Book too!

    • bose_sucks

      “Kids that age shouldn’t even be thinking about sex.” Are you stupid? the boys are 11-18 years old. You didn”t think about sex as a teenager? then there is something wrong with you.

  • THOMAS

    These people have pushed their immortality down the throats of CHRISTIANS all over this nation,but I for one will not stand with them enuf is enuf the bsa has turned their backs on GOD & JESUS .THERE are churches out there also that have moved away from the WORDS of GOD an I for one will not go to any organization that claims to speek his words, but teach the WORDS of satin.I left the church I was raised in because of them letting these persons into the church now it seems I will be leaving the MORMON CHURCH for the same reason GOD will not live in a house of sin.
    To close I would like to say to the churches an the people of GOD hold to the word & stand your ground.

    • Sandra Lee Smith

      Sadly, Thomas, there is NO denomination that is untouched by Satanic influence, in the form of neutralizing the Gospel it teaches these days. You might get lucky and find an independent congregation that is teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ still, but the campaign against the Protestant Reformation began in the 1540s and as been continuing since; and the Roman church fell long before that; somewhere in the 2nd or very early 3rd century. Back in ’81, the Holy Spirit told me that “the Glory has gone out”, and I’ve sadly found that to be true. I wish you good hunting, but you’re right, God doesn’t live in the houses of sin; even the sin of a “social Gospel”, and there’s so much more that’s been accepted by many of the denominations that are SIN in God’s eyes, over the past several decades. I honestly can’t blame Him for placing us under His judgment, as He has done. That THIS sin has become too much, when the murder of the innocents has been tolerated for over 30 years, and other immoral practices have as well, is something of a surprise really. But I truly wonder how many of them will actually stand when the proverbial starts hitting the fan.

      • THOMAS

        I fill like a spark in the dark I just pray to GOD that these creachers are delt with by him for he is the power to remove these evils.

        • Sandra Lee Smith

          You keep on praying, then, Thomas, and listening for that “still, small Voice” but if God wants you to be doing differently, He can be a nudge when you don’t catch on right away.

        • DMG

          The damn problem is that the Christians don’t act like Jesus Christ turning over all the tables and beating all the immoral bastards to death. All Christians sit around like softy sissy’s letting the gays, liberals and muslims and gay black obama and his Federal cowardly Felon-us DOJ people push Christian heterosexuals around and the Christians just sit on their asses complaining like that’s powerful enough to do anything. Their stupid enough to believe that they don’t have to do anything – imaginary Angels from heaven will come here and rescue them and do all the fighting for them.

          • THOMAS

            Well seems you are one of the people that have no plans of how to dill with these problems.you just complain about others an what they have to say.
            If you had a clue sped it around it may be a problem salver.

    • Tony Donaldson

      I don’t think the scouts themselves had a vote. Just the national leaders. Please don’t lump all scouts in with the rotten apples. They deserve strong leadership and aren’t getting it. It’s time to get rid of the politically correct national leaders and put some real men in charge. I won’t forsake the good scouts in this country. They are true young men and live up to their oath.

      • THOMAS

        You are right Tony the scouts had no vote in this, but we need to remove the people that voted in faced of this.Unfortunately we need to pull our children out of this organization until either the bsa recants their vote an replace the scouts back to its true path. If this does not happen then we need to start another revolutionary boys club for CHRISTIANS with the members following the CHRISTIAN PEOPLES fellowship.

        • Scoutmasternomore

          Check out http://www.faithbasedboys.org – clearly a Christ-centered alternative to the bsa. Formation meeting happening this month, with formal launch in the August / September 2013 timeframe.

    • James Hanson

      Hello Thomas, I am LDS too and have to admit that I was supprised with the decision of the Church to accept the “compromise” of no homosexual leaders but accepting of homosexual boys. I am going to take a sort of wait-and-see attitude at this point. Perhaps the feeling among the LDS leaders is that by letting homosexual boys into the troops they can be influenced to resist same-sex-attraction and homosexual behaviors before such become permanantly embedded in their life. Perhaps with the help and support of the parents those young boys can be influenced to be morally straight in their behavior and choose to resist the propaganda of the pro-gay element. I just don´t know at this point. I am an Eagle Scout and so many of my good memories are of scouting ideals and adventures. It truly pains me to see that good organization deliberately destroyed by the maliciousness of the homosexuals. If the gays really wanted a program like this for themselves, they could launch their own. It is obvious that they merely want to destroy scouting. To them terms like “On My Honor”, “Brave, Clean, Reverent”, and “Morally Straight” are an affront.

      • THOMAS

        JAMES I feel for the young men in scouting today, but it has been proven over an over that to allow evil into the church or a CHRISTIAN organization is just turning a blind eye to the DEVILS works.

        • DMG

          Christians get off you fat soft sissy lazy asses and actually do the physical attacking of these gays and muslims and liberals and weak womens groups and government and law and don’t wait for these imaginary Angels to do it for you. WWII was won by USA Heterosexual Human Men. Not Gays or Liberals or Womens Groups or Sissy Government or Sissy law or sissy muslims

      • bose_sucks

        The LDS didn’t pull away because they still need a well organized way to prepare their boys for their missions.

    • bose_sucks

      Every troop is different, many still follow the word of God.

    • DMG

      The damn problem is that the Christians don’t act like Jesus Christ turning over all the tables and beating all the immoral bastards to death. All Christians sit around like softy sissy’s letting the gays, liberals and muslims and gay black obama and his Federal cowardly Felon-us DOJ people push Christian heterosexuals around and the Christians just sit on their asses complaining like that’s powerful enough to do anything. Their stupid enough to believe that they don’t have to do anything – imaginary Angels from heaven will come here and rescue them and do all the fighting for them.

  • centermass1

    Romans 1 24-32…enough said.

  • BeriBeri99

    So . . . how about send all those boys that love boys (pains me to be PC) put them on one island, take the girls that love girls (ouch PC twice is really painful) put them on another island . . . see how long those two species survive. I do have two words that would replace many here, however, the site censors (AKA moderators) wouldn’t let the post stay . . . ye gads, PC sucks.

  • jimpeel

    Since the gays were not able to see their way clear to institute the Gay Scouts of America (GSA), perhaps it is time to found the Heterosexual Scouts of America (HSA).

  • jimpeel

    When the Mussies take over watch how fast they scurry back into the darkness. Let’s hear about “tolerance” then.

    • DMG

      No No – Muslims have zero tolerance for gays – they just kill them.

      • jimpeel

        Hence the reason they will scurry back into the darkness.

  • Jackson_Howard

    I took a few minutes to read the Boy Scout oath and what it means. Funny thing, “morally straight” doesn’t mean being “straight”. go to http://www.usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/bsoath.asp

    and read it.

    It also mentions keeping your body fit. At my church, when we celebrate scouting, I see a lot of scout leaders that have big beer bellies hanging over their belts. They are violating the scout oath by being physically unfit.

    Shouldn’t we prohibit them from being leaders of our boys? I don’t want my children havig an overweight man for an example of a good scout.

    Funny how when we pick out certain items in the oath we can keep lots of unfit men from being scout leaders.

    The oath also mentions respecting others and their beliefs. Hmmm, what would that mean?

    • Dan Duley

      You are free to determine the fitness of a scout leader and refrain from enrolling your boy in that troop. respecting others and their beliefs does not mean adopting, never challenging, or accepting those beliefs.

    • bose_sucks

      the Boy Scout oath is for boys. i am a scout leader, but was never a boy scout. take your physically fit and stick it where the sun don;t shine.

      • Jackson_Howard

        Big beer bellies, not fit to be a leader.

        • HappyClinger

          Neither are perverts.

          • Jackson_Howard

            Big beer bellies, not fit to be a leader. Very bad example for a leader.

          • DMG

            You as an adult gay man going after gay boys for sex. You are a very bad example of a person.

      • DMG

        He can’t he has a Gay man wiener up his gay butt…

  • Dan Duley

    What the BSA could do, is adopt policy, or reemphasize policy that prohibits any sexual behavior. Scouts are minors and should not be engaged in sexual behavior. Scouts should not exhibit any sexual overtones or attractions to fellow scouts. Doing so should be grounds for being released from the troop and the BSA.

  • Jackson_Howard

    Ok, when someone says, “openly gay” as in the article above. What picture does “openly gay” bring to your mind?
    Just wondering. Me? I don’t know but I bet many think of the San Francisco Gay parades and such. You know, half naked men gyrating.
    Do you really think a gay boy would be dressed like that? And,him thinking that he will not be criticized.
    I don’t know, I think sometimes the headlines purposely “dress up” the subject to get people p*ssed off.

    • HappyClinger

      Do you really not know that “openly gay” means the person practicing homosexual sex is not “in the closet?” Evidently, based on the rest of your post, you really are that ignorant and should keep your mouth shut so other people don’t realize that about you.

      • Jackson_Howard

        Okay, I’ll use smaller words. :-)

        Look at it this way, two young gay men are walking down the street. One of them is “in the closet” the other one is not, he is “out of the closet”.

        How could you tell that either one is gay? Is that clearer?

        I think you’re reading too much into what I said. My point was, how could you tell so whether someone is in the closet or out of the closet? Is it the way they dress? How would you, yourself, if you were the person in charge of the Boy Scouts, how would you know which young man is gay? or not?

        • DMG

          The gay one is gouing zzzz zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz and walking like a very public little girl. They absolutely walk and talk absolutely different and we all know it and see it and hear it and label it and any government and law person or persons stupid enough to think they can force you to think and see them as the same as the heterosexuals will end up just like Adolph Hitler did.

          • Jackson_Howard

            What are you, like 12 years old or something like that? Do your parents know that you are using their computer?

          • DMG

            Jackson_Howard – Tell everyone here who are openly heterosexual christian republicans like me that you yourself are openly gay and liberal left and a muslim militant obama lover!

        • Mike Lewis

          There were several gay leaders in the BSA. They left their open gayness, and the rainbow flag at home in a closet and understood that sex and politics do not belong in scouting. They were scout leaders plain and simple, and the current ban worked just fine.

      • Sandra Lee Smith

        Do YOU really think that openly homosexual persons will NOT be actively engaging when they have available and accessible “meat”, which is how many see straight people? Do you know that the incidence of sexual assaults in the barracks {which means SAME sex sexual assaults} has risen 37% just since the repeal of DADT, of the ones REPORTED, which number is probably SMALL compared to the actual incidence, since the regs now penalize the victim for reporting! Given the hormone levels among young adolescent boys, it’s sheer stupidity to believe there won’t be rapes on those camping trips!

        • Jackson_Howard

          Okay now, is this the picture? Two adolescent boys in a pup tent, 5 feet away from two more adolescent boys in other pup tent, and one of these adolescent boys is raping one of the other boys, 5 feet away from two other adolescent boys in other pup tent, and no one hears a struggle? No one hears the grunts and groans of the aggressor? No one hears anything?

          The boy being raped doesn’t make a sound?

          No one hears a thing? No one says, “what’s that funny sound johnnies making”?, “It sounds like he’s being sexually assaulted?”

          Come on now, you really think an adolescent boy, a boy scout, isn’t going to resist?

    • DMG

      I picture Obama looking and smiling at Biden – his sex buddy.

  • DMG

    It’s time to get organized – us heterosexual christians and take our countyry back and punish the government, DOJ, criminal justice system, gays, moslems, liberals and all we can. Does anyone know how many Judges, Attorneys, Military, Law enforcement, Federal Government and Law, State Government and Law, County Government and Law, City Government and Law, and Rural Government and law all were Boy Scouts and their Sons were or are Boy Scouts and they belong to these churches. It’s time to attack these minority losers who are attacking like the Japanese and all I mentioned above are not fighting back as a whole. There is enough evidence against Gay Muslim Militant Obama and his gang of liberal weakly felons to arrest and if his weak secret service try to get in the way – the FBI in SWAT uniforms and weaponery just has to attack and open fire for resisting arrest…!!! Let’s attack now.

    • Jackson_Howard

      Ok, where do we meet?

      • DMG

        Be a republican heterosexual christian activist and work with Rand Paul and Ted Cruz to destroy and sink the muslim militant gay womanly barack obama and his cast of weirdo’s!