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by Tami Jackson

As Kevin Jackson quipped, “The TOLERANT Left didn’t send the memo to the Lesbians?”

Why is it called “Gay Pride Week”? Is this behavior to be proud of?

This brawl took place at Pride Fest, part of Gay Pride Week, in Seattle.

Two men, both clean cut and quiet, one holding a sign, one wearing a t-shirt with the words “Trust Jesus” and holding a Bible, were present at the public event.

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The person who filmed the event (id Rogue Reflections on YouTube) noted:

While photographing this event, I witnessed a growing anger from some of the crowd, towards the preachers. All of a sudden a few members in the crowd attacked the street preachers. I switched to video to document the incident.

I DO NOT condone what the attackers did. While I don’t agree with these preachers, it is their Constitutional right to be in public and preach.

I think it is tragic that some of the people who justifiably want tolerance in their life, deny that same tolerance to others. I commend the responding Seattle PD Officers for the professional way they handled this situation. The main aggressor was arrested.

On a side note: I think it is a testament to the assailants and aggressors that the Seattle PD removes a PBR can and some liquor bottle from the top of the baby buggy this woman has her children in. Where were those children while their caretakers were beating innocent people up?

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One woman screamed at the sign holder, “…if I were you I would f***ing leave! If I were you I would leave! If I were you I would leave…your [hard to distinguish words, but she’s pointing at the other man with the “Trust Jesus” t-shirt] will get his ass raped!”

Eventually, a group of men rushed the man holding the sign and one of the crowd, the bald, bare-bellied, rotund man began hitting the sign holder. The man in the Trust Jesus shirt rushed to pull the assailant off his preacher friend.

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Finally, the police came, ascertained the situation, asked the sign holder if he was okay. Thanks to the eye witness accounts and video, the chief assailant was arrested.

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For what it’s worth, those “Pride People,” who say they only want tolerance, were completely intolerant, and profane. Shouting vile things at the 2 quiet and orderly Christian men…the f-bomb being used dozens of times in a matter of mere minutes.

…as it was in the days of Noah…

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  • mmt

    as it was in the days of LOT.

    • tamij

      Yes. So very sad.

  • fanciladi

    Yup…the intolerance of the ‘so called’ tolerant! Disgusting actions for Freedom of Speech!

  • George R. Horn

    I have many gay friends, the preachers had a right to be there, and I think what happened to them is wrong. The people that assaulted them need to be arrested, plain and simple. My friends would never have condoned this.

    • tamij

      I do, too, George, and I concur. Though I don’t agree with that life-style, I still love my friends and am TOLERANT (meaning I judge their life-style as not good, but grant them the freedom to make that choice) of them.

    • Kevin Carroll

      I’m straight and my gay friends would never act like that either.

      • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

        Isaiah 5:20
        Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
        that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
        that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

        Isaiah 5:21
        Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes,
        and prudent in their own sight!

        Galatians 6:7
        Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever
        a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

        “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?”
        Gal. 4:16

    • Helen Kirby

      Should be prosecuted as a hate crime

  • http://www.donaldborschjrblog.wordpress.com/ Donald Borsch Jr

    Johnny Fat Boy would have had his fat liberal ass handed to him once he touched me. Just sayin’. And it would all be on video for the masses to see that not all of us Christians are pussies.

    • tamij

      Of note, Jesus whooped the Pharisees in the temple…

      • HorseTeethSam

        One of the great things about Jesus that I love – he wasn’t a wuss.

      • rightwingsoup

        There was no violence. Just verbal admonishment.

        • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

          The video shows there was physical violence.

          • rightwingsoup

            See above response.

          • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

            The video speaks for itself.

        • tamij

          There was physical violence. The heavy-set man with the bare belly tackled the Christian with the sign and struck him over 3 times until he was restrained by the man in the Trust Jesus t-shirt. And I do no call vile language “admonishment”.

          • rightwingsoup

            My response was in regards to your Jesus “whooping the Pharisees” comment. Jesus may have overturned a few tables in the Temple but did not violently attack anyone. You and I are on the same side of this argument. (www.rightwingsoup.com)

          • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

            The homosexual agenda:

            •The homosexual agenda includes desensitizing the public: “The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights…..To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games….At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full ‘appreciation’ or ‘understanding’ of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing…then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won” (25).

            •Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington: “We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right — as heterosexual Americans already have — to see government and society affirm our lives” (27).

            •Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity: “The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion” (1).

            •Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, “We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness” (17).

    • draga

      SIR
      I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL BECAUSE I FEEL THE SAME,BUT JESUS WOULD HAVE NOT SAID THE THINGS U SAY HERE,PERHAPS YOU,NEED TO MEET JESUS IN A PERSONAL WAY,WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES,ME INCLUDED,HAD I BEEN THERE,I WOULD HAVE BEEN FIGHTING,BUT ,IF YOU EVEN KNOW JESUS,REMEMBER, ALL THE TIME FROM HIS ARREST,TO THE CROSS,HE DIDNT RETALIATE,HE DIDNT FIGHT BACK,COULD I DO THAT,I DOUBT IT BUT I HOPE I COULD,THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SIN FREE PERSON,ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY,IF CHRISTIANS WERE PERFECT AS THE WORLD SEES PERFECT,WE WOULDNT NEED THE MAIN MAN,WE WOULD BE LITTLE JESUS,S ,BUT IN FACT NO CHRISTIAN IS PERFECT,HOWEVER,BY ACCEPTING JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOR,AND BEING A DOER AND NOT JUST A HEARER,WE CAN HAVE HOPE OF MAKING IT TO HEAVEN,GOD IS FULL OF GRACE AND MERCY,BUT IT ALSO SAYS WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING,SOMETIMES I WONDER WHY GOD DOESNT GIVE UP ON ME,SOMETIMES I HAVE TO ADJUST SOME STINKIN THINKIN,HAVE A GR8 DAY
      DRAGA
      Ps CHRISTIANS ARE NOT PERFECT,BUT WERE FORGIVEN!!

      • http://www.donaldborschjrblog.wordpress.com/ Donald Borsch Jr

        Hmm. I appreciate your zeal, but you said nothing to convince me I need to “accept Jesus”. Is it not the other way around? Isn’t it about Him knowing us and not us knowing Him? Read Matthew 7:21 – 23. Thanks for the attempt, though. But did you honestly believe that typing in all caps at a random website would pierce my heart?

  • Leon Pollock

    You give the homos an inch and now they will never stop attempting to indoctrinate the rest of the world to their sick lifestyle….

  • Fil San

    Your headline is purposely wrong and provocative. He was attacked by two different men, and the woman who was cursing him was with the man. How do you know if she was a lesbian or not? Two men ripped his sign out of his hands when he wasn’t looking. Shame on your for purposefully using inflammatory language and outright lying to create a headline.

    • Kevin Carroll

      Shame on you for defending trash.

      • Fil San

        I’m not defending anyone. I’m stating the fact that the headline of this article is misleading, for the purpose of creating traction in the search engines. From what I can see in the video he was never hit by a woman, so how is that he was “beat” by a “lesbian mob.” It’s a lie, a plain old bald faced lie designed to make an inflammatory headline. He was attacked by men, not women.

        • Amanda Barker

          He was attacked by a man that hasn’t learned when to leave his shirt on not by a mob of angry women. Also, where’s the proof that any of these women were gay?

          • Fil San

            My point exactly. The headline is a flat-out lie.

          • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

            • Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27).

            • 73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).

            • 25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11).

            • Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.

            • 78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).

            • The Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10).

            • 50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10).

          • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

            The video clearly show the men were attacked by females.

          • Amanda Barker

            Verbally attacked, yes. The physical encounter was started by a male. The only female in the ground scuffle not yelling “Stop!” or attempting to pull someone else out of the scuffle was the girl that broke the sign.

          • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

            And some of the attackers were female.
            It’s on the video.

          • Amanda Barker

            Yes, the one that broke the sign. The others, as you can tell from the video, were reaching into the mob and trying to pull people out. Even then there’s nothing that marks the women as lesbians. Just because they were walking around together at a street festival doesn’t make them gay. The first male to get involved walked in with a female. Are they gay together?

        • tamij

          Fil San, sorry…I used the title that the fellow who filmed the video used. It was a mob of gays from the Seattle Pride event. Although, i don’t understand why society now calls them “gay”…that word used to have the meaning of happy and joyful. These folks that attacked the 2 Christians are anything but happy or joyful.

          • Fil San

            I kind of figured that when i realized that this article has been re-posted in its original format hundreds of times. Either way, it’s still inflammatory and wrong. I’ve always hated that misuse of the word “Gay”. I also want my rainbow back. I hate that it’s a symbol for homosexuality. At the same time, doesn’t change the fact that the title is wrong. How does anyone know if anyone in the video was “Gay”? No one does, they might not be. Definitely not an angry lesbian Mob.

          • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

            Some statistics about the Homosexual lifestyle:

            • One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).

            • One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.

            • Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7).

            • Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior” (16).

            • Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. “Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence” (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels “subjective distress”) (27).

            • Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.

        • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

          • It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).

          • Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.

          • Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8).

          • 37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8).

          • 41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8).

      • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

        2 Timothy 3:

        This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their ownselves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

        “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?”
        Gal. 4:16

        • Fil San

          From your scripture.. “False accusers.” The author of this article is one of those. He (or she) accused women he doesn’t know of being “Lesbians” (how can you tell someones leanings from a video?) and then falsely said that the men attacked in this video were accosted by a “Lesbian Mob”. Those men were never hit by a woman, at least not in the video. I don’t care which side they’re on, a liar is a liar, and a person who lies in the name of Christ is the worst.

          • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

            2 Timothy 2:19

            Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal,
            The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth
            the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

            “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?”
            Gal. 4:16

          • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

            • Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (8).

            • The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8). [This is a reduction in the length of life by 44% (33/75 = 44%)

            • The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8).

            • Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8).

          • johnsmith500

            “From your scripture”?
            Do you even have any clue about the scripture?How did it become someone’s scripture?
            Why can’t you gay/lesbian apologists and atheists/liberals get your facts straight before arguing about things?

            So let me get this straight, you quote, and use the scripture that you obviously do not believe in and have contempt for, and are trying to hold people to standards of something you don’t believe in?Can you bring up more pathetic argument than this?
            of course your response will be claiming you are a church going Christian or attended Christian schools and colleges. We see such claims all time.

          • Fil San

            Way to pick out nothing and making it look like something. I was referring to their reference, that’s all. I didn’t quote ANY scripture. I was just repeating what they quoted. This entire post is based on a lie, a misrepresentation, it’s plain to see for anyone who watches the video. Christ was a lot of things but he wasn’t a liar. So, supposedly Godly people claming to be Godly by doing something Ungodly? It’s just dyed in the wool hypocrisy. Jesus was derided for having meals with prostitutes. Would you sit down and break bread with a lesbian, gay or tran-sexual person? If you wouldn’t then your faith is nothing but luke-warm water, fit only for being spit out and you are a hypocrite. Be like Jesus, or shut up, cause you’re not doing it right.

    • Frank W Brown

      Another TROLL!!

  • donl

    I don,t understand “gay” people, but have seen them do their thing on home movies. I can understand why girls like girls, hell I like the same thing. But men on men is just plain SICK!!

  • Fred P!

    There will come a time when it will be the police coming for the preachers. Probably sooner than we think.

  • Frank W Brown

    Queers ARE an evolutionary DEAD-END, deal with it perverts!

  • texasgirl46

    People are just stupid these days….

    • HorseTeethSam

      Yup – and the stupidity and hatred are growing and growing. God help us.

  • rightwingsoup

    The left has always been the least tolerant. They prove it every day in every way. They could have just ignored the Christians. I guess that wasn’t good enough. They had to resort to hate speech, vile language and physical violence. Saul Alinksi would have been proud.

  • Ballistic45

    Obama IS the great divider, no President in our History has so divided the citizens of this Nation.. No President has attacked everything this Nation holds dear.. Obama is following (2) Plans: 1- is attacking those areas spelled out in Josef Stalin’s Quotes; (a) “America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.” (b) “It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes.” and the second (2) is that of Columbia University’s Professors Cloward & Piven , they outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the economic system with Government spending and entitlement demands.. It is a brilliant plan to entrap a majority of voters who will DEPEND on Government for their very sustenance and will ALWAYS vote for Bigger Government and more Entitlements..

    • Tracy

      Every dictator in history knew that the only way to conquer a people was to divide them any way possible – racially, economically, moral beliefs, etc. Obama has succeeded in his takeover, at least up until now. However, I think “we the people” have finally awaken from the spell he put so many under (myself NOT included) and the people are fighting back.

    • Merle Dickey

      well said

  • waterman

    Yea, the gays are just as loving as the Jihadist muslims, if they can’t change all the laws to suit themselves they will try to beat it into us.
    They should be careful, someone may fight back.

  • John G.

    How sad. These homosexuals should be ashamed of themselves for beating up on the preachers who are clearly within their rights to speak their mind.

    This shows America how wrong it is to support homosexual rights.

    • italy994

      Following that same logic if any Christians have beaten up Homosexuals, I’ll save you the time and let you know that it has happened countless times, then we should revoke the rights of all Christians. Clearly the actions of certain individuals should lead to repressing a large group of people.

      • rightwingsoup

        I hope these attackers are prosecuted just as any unprovoked attacks should be.

        • italy994

          Yes the attackers should be persecuted. They had no reason whatsoever to attack the preacher. My only real problem is with the people who apply that since these few people attacked the preacher the Gay population as a whole is an evil menace who will resort to violence to get what they want.

          • rightwingsoup

            Elements of the left are almost always violent. Witness the “Occupy” groups. Violent attacks, rape, deficating on Police cars, etc. Yet when Glenn Beck’s Restore America Rally was held on the Washington Mall, it was cleaner than before they arrived. And to date there has never been a reported act of violence at ANY Tea Party Rally – even when some Libs show up with signs and act up. As to the Gay population using violence to get what they want…no, they usually go to the courts to undo the will of the people, i.e. California’s Prop 8. Libs believe in the will of the people unless it goes against THEIR will. Then, off to the courts!

          • Alfred Ferguson

            Prosecuted. Not “persecuted”.

      • cojar

        You are a liar. List the “countless times” that a real Christian had beaten up
        Homosexuals?

  • Raymond – Jesus is Lord.

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

    Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. Romans 1: 24, 25, 26, 27.

    The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5.

    Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 7

    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. 1 Corinthians 6: 9.

    Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine. 1 Timothy 1:9,10.

    And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Lev 20: 15, 16.

    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Leviticus 18: 22, 23.

    “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?”
    Gal. 4:16

  • Ballistic45

    Well it has always been that Liberals resort to violence when anyone questions their actions… Freedom of speech is only good if you agree with them… TIME to take the gloves off on Liberals, Muslims, and Gays… They want to show intolerance and violence then fine.. They better pack a lunch and Bring it on…

    • italy994

      Because Republicans have always been tolerant right? The right has never attacked Muslims for the actions of extremists or persecuted Homosexuals for being attracted to what their genetics dictate they are attracted to. It’s hilarious to see all the Conservatives on here who act as though their own group has never committed any wrong and is always facing persecution.

      • Truth_in_Response

        It can’t be genetic you idiot. If it was there would be a “gay” gene. If that was the case then it would die out not increase since 2 men or 2 women can not procreate. If it was genetic then families would have multiple “gays” in the family tree. IT IS A PERSONAL DEVIANT SEXUAL CHOICE!

        • italy994

          So explain to me how the typical Christian response to gay members which is trying to force them to be straight only serves to work for a couple years before they inevitably give up the charade and live their life as a gay member of the community. Genetic could be the wrong choice of word, honestly I really meant to say psychological. No one really knows what causes certain people to be gay, however it is almost a guarantee that it is not their choice. If it was why would so many young homosexuals commit suicide to escape the endless torment, which primarily comes from intolerant Christians, rather than simply choosing to be straight?

          • John Bovenzi

            He wasn’t forcing anyone to do anything. He was exercising his 1st amendment rights. If they didn’t want to listen to him or read his sign they should have just ignored him. Just as we have to tolerate “gay pride” parades so should they have to tolerate “straight christian” values. It’s really just that simple.

          • italy994

            I wasn’t referring to this incident.

          • John Bovenzi

            Ask yourself why do so many young people, “homosexual or not” commit suicide? They have issues with coping and use suicide to get attention. Unfortunately it doesn’t always work. We have a high rate of suicide in the military as well and of course it’s always with the young men and women. In today’s society I don’t see a lot of “endless torment” as we had back 20 years ago. Today’s youth seem to be pretty tolerant of each other when it comes to gay/lesbian issues.

        • John Bovenzi

          I don’t agree 100% with your statement. It’s a known medical fact that some people are born “hermaphrodites” with both sex organs. Yes some people make it a personal choice, but I believe some are born with the dominant genes of the opposite sex. Call it a birth defect if you will, but it does happen. It’s not up to us to judge others, just to point out the error of their ways and to love them either way. God loves all his children and it is only his place to judge us. I’m not gay, I don’t endorse a gay lifestyle, but it’s not my place to judge. I’ll post pro-hetrosexual marraige posts on my FB page and get slammed for it, but I can live with that.

          • BigUgly666

            What has “hermaphrodites” to do with anything in that comment?

          • John Bovenzi

            Read up on the subject for yourself. Knowledge is power. Hermaphrodites do not get to pick which sex they are, the doctor and parents do that for them. So later on in life some choose to be gay/lesbian due to the stronger gene in their makeup.

          • BigUgly666

            I have … and this occurs in what percentage of the population?

          • John Bovenzi

            I mentioned this as an example, not as a TOTAL reasoning for the existence. As a percentage of babies born as hermaphrodites I’m seeing .05 to 1% reported, so who knows for sure? What’s the percentage of homosexuals to hetrosexuals? Is it possible give an accurate number?

          • gawxxx

            hey john the medical profession is populated by human’s and we are known to make mistakes ! , only”GOD” judges that is correct but “HE” also tells us to flee fornication and all detestable things , sin is sin ! and the medicale profession does not take the place of a “sound mind ” based on biblical principles !!!!!!

          • John Bovenzi

            I’m not arguing, sin is sin you are correct. The problem is that we live in a world with many atheists and other non Christians and we can’t tell them how to live their lives. We can spread the word of God but as it says in the bible, “Other seed fell on the rock; when it sprang up, it withered, since it lacked moisture” So not everyone is going to be saved, we have to accept this and save the ones we can.

          • Alfred Ferguson

            ? Hermaphrodites? What’s the connection? What are you talking about?

          • Truth_in_Response

            So lets address both points brought up. If it is psychological is should be addressed like any other mental disease. If it is a genetic abnormality the it should be addressed as any other disease like cancer or so on. As for those who commit suicide due to there lifestyle it is like anyone else living in unescapable sin. When they can no longer accept themselves in the sin their only outlet is change or death.

      • gawxxx

        please remove said ” stupidity ! from the comments !

      • Ballistic45

        Ya better check History around the world “Italy994″… You might start with the country of Italy, sense you name yourself after it…

        Look around world history at the Leftist movements that ended up in gorilla warfare.. Look at the types of governments put in place when they won..

        Compare the violence and uncivilized behaviors of Leftist demonstrations compared to that of Conservative demonstrations.. Have Republicans been more tolerant, yeah, I’d say so… Of Religion, Race, and Liberty for all..

  • GridRider

    Just as radical muslims have defined Islam, radical homosexuals/leftists are currently defining homosexuals. If these groups want tolerance, they need to take positive steps to distance themselves from and prevent these actions from the radicals in their midst. Otherwise, they will ultimately reap what they have sown.

  • Truth_in_Response

    The problem with the liberal homosexuals is they cannot stand the light shined on their deviant sexual behavior and lash out in violence to those who expose them for the deviant sexual sinners they are.

    • Zach Peterson

      They know it is immoral and they will pay in the end, they just don’t want to be reminded.

  • daniel

    While the title is a bit missleading…the video speaks for itself…..the side that hollers tolerance gives none…..the issue here needs to be addressed as it rruely is….a moral issue…but conmon oractice today is to change the name or the perspective just to justify the issue…we need to quite this practice and call things like they are..is it right or wrong…does it make sense….will it accomplish something good..is it natural

  • oldsalt6585

    Tolerant only if you agree with them. Why don’t they go attack the WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH group?

    • Stan Hanna

      That ” group ” is in for an ARSE kicking if they make the mistake of showing up in PRESCOTT Az, Arizona law states, any group that wants to display sign’s at a funeral, can come no closer than 300 feet, the results of coming closer are jail, and heavy fines. Westboro has stated they will disrupt the funeral of the 19 ” HOTSHOT FIRE FIGHTERS ” WHO LOST THEIR LIVES, WHEN THE WIND SHIFTED AND WERE cought IN A FIRE STORM !

      • bpweide

        We lost 19, not 10.

        • neverbetty

          I saw 19 in the above comment…

  • Tracy

    And the liberals call conservatives intolerant?!?!? The crowd of attackers are damn lucky one or both of those innocent men – exercising their constitutional rights – were not conceal carrying. It might have ended much differently for a few of the pro-gay activists!

    • iamcurious

      I’m going to have to disagree with you. As a concealed carry permittee, my guess is that they would be adjudged as having gone looking for trouble. A CCP is not a license to do so. In fact, a reasonable licensee would actually do the opposite, avoiding potential trouble. In my state, there is an obligation to avoid obvious trouble spots and situations, if at all possible. Reasonable people generally concur.

      • Tracy

        I don’t plan to hijack these comments, but one thing you’re missing…if the threat is overwhelming and the person being attacked cannot escape (which is the case here) they have the right to defend themselves. If the article is accurate, these men were not vocally antagonizing anyone…they were simply holding signs. They have the constitutional right to do that…without their life being threatened. Oh, and I am a “reasonable person” so don’t try to give me that patronizing nonsense!

        • iamcurious

          Your use of the word “patronizing” is quite revealing, Tracy!

          • Tracy

            Well, I’m not sure what you are referring to iamcurious, but the comment that “reasonable people generally concur” makes the assertion that I am not a reasonable person. It is much like the anti-gun, anti-second amendment crowd saying all they want is “common sense gun control.” That, too, is a crock.

          • iamcurious

            Tracy, you wear that chip on your shoulder like a badge of honor. The image you project will not serve you well in the long run.

          • gawxxx

            and that chip you carry is what ! humility !!!!!!

          • Tracy

            I have no idea what “chip” you think I have on my shoulder. The only “badge” I wear is that of a conservative constitutionalist who believes in the power of the individual over that of the State. You are reading into my comments what you want to read…I’ve been pretty clear about where I stand.

          • Zach Peterson

            You rock, Tracey…

        • H4Rl4N

          I am currently studying for the bar and will vouch for this analysis

      • BigUgly666

        … and just exactly WHAT trouble were they looking for?

        Going armed is going armed, no more no less … like wearing blue jeans.
        If I want to speak my mind, whether or not I am armed is of no concern to anyone unless they mean and attempt to do me harm. Period.

        • iamcurious

          With an attitude like that, you’re just a loose cannon looking for trouble.

          • gawxxx

            just your opinion ! ( matthew 7 :1-5 )

          • BigUgly666

            …. and you are a fool looking for an argument.

          • Zach Peterson

            I disagree. Having a gun does not cancel your freedom of speech. carrying that gun everywhere is a sign of a good citizen. That’s the American way. What you are referring to, iamcurious, is the EU way… might I suggest a one way ticket? I’m sure we can raise enough in a kitty on this blog… btw, watch your head, i hear they are chopping them off in the streets of London these days.

      • Keep Honkin I’m Reloading

        BS!

        Some faggots inability to control his/her emotions and being “offended” does not negate my right to personal defense when they turn violent and attack me…fag, dyke, thug, trayvon be damned…you assault me in such a manner I perceive puts me at risk of harm or bodily injury, ie, rush me with punches, kicks and 4-5 of your crew… you could be getting fit for a toe-tag before it’s over.

        • Zach Peterson

          Too bad i can only thumb you up once!

      • Zach Peterson

        Having conceal carry doesn’t mean you give up your freedom of speech… in fact, it enforces your freedom of speech.

  • mac12sam12

    Big whoop! Just another left wing get together. They are never violent! burp

  • raccman

    Frigging disgusting – and we have the Fraud to thank for this and the coming race riots. . . . .

    • Zach Peterson

      Not send the civil war has people been so divided… welcome to Obama’s America.

  • edro3111

    I couldn’t stand getting the heck beaten out of me by a man with a purse or dikey women. I wish the street preacher had been a former Golden Gloves boxer and busted some face before the cops got there!

  • iamcurious

    50 years ago, this sort of behavior and predilection was out of sight, well hidden and very quiet. It came out in the open over the next couple of decades and now flaunts itself. Still, it is instructive that 5% or less of the population fits this mold. That number is very vocal, in your face and pushed constantly by the drive by and entertainment media. I personally cut all those media sources out of my life. They can’t thrive without income.

    • Zach Peterson

      Done and done my friend.

  • Jessi

    It looked like roaches scurrying when one of the protesters yelled “the police are coming”. Props to the black lady who immediately checked on the victim and was checking to see if anyone had the assault & battery recorded and to the police for quickly taking the appropriate action. The f-bomb queen was all brave taunting the preachers while she had her ‘happy’ army to back her up. Notice, when being questioned by the police, she was “yes, sir” and “no, sir” until the Pillsbury Dough Boy told her to shut up. I think Pillsbury Dough Boy was just angry his ‘high-dollar’ PBR was poured out and his favorite wife-beater shirt went missing-it was probably the only shirt he had that fit over his keg-like buddha belly.

    • jake van kool

      I do try to live by Judeo Christian ethics, however, I wouldn’t have been able to resist throat punching that fat boy

      • Peter W. Casey

        The FAT boy was way out of control and somebody should have restrained him for sure. No doubt about it. I don’t think it’s wise to go to a gay pride event with insulting disgusting signs just asking for trouble. Let’s be fair. That video didn’t show the very beginning of how all this played out. Everybody should have ignored everybody else, but you can’t incite trouble. They had the right to be there safely but I think your stupid if you go into a crowd with insulting signs and expect nothing.

        • Keep Honkin I’m Reloading

          Most of US find THEIR faggy signs disgusting and insulting… yet they still get a voice without being assaulted. Let one of these loud talking pole smokers or carpet munchers get in my face like this.

  • torr10

    interesting that the list of sins on the sign does not include homosexuality…

  • disqus_xLn56CDAGb

    Disgusting. I consider myself a Christian, but I’m not sure I could have restrained myself. The fat dude needed an old fashioned beat down to change has attitude, and I would have loved to have given it to him. I’m also a CC permit holder, and if the group that was beating that preacher had grown any larger, I’m sure he would have been within his rights (at least in my state) to draw his weapon, and if he had fired on them he would have been found innocent. Needs to happen once or twice and people will get the message that you don’t put your hands on people, and this is inappropriate behavior.

    • Peter W. Casey

      You can’t MURDER people unless you think your life is in immediate danger of ending. I’ve been in lots of street fights in my time. you fight, you don’t pull a firearm and shoot people. Your disgusting.

      • Colleen Lott Wehr

        You’re*.. if you’re going to try to make a point, at least appear intelligent.

      • Nomasidiotas

        You can shoot people if they attack you, Peter. If they die from the shot, oh well, too bad. Don’t jump people, not even one on one. People aren’t all the same size, gender, age, or strength. CC permits are the great equalizer.

      • Denise Rogers

        Must have had you butt kicked a bunch of those times.

    • AccountantCas

      No one should claim to be a Christian and then talk about someone needing ‘an old fashioned beat down’. As a Christian, you should know that, by God’s standards, we ALL deserve ‘an old fashioned beat down’. However, because of His great love for us, He sent His Son to take the ‘old fashioned beat down’ in our place. These two preachers were following the way of the Master who did not fight back when He was beaten for our transgressions and crucified for our sins. Their witness was faithful and true.

  • randsue80

    What did you expect, those who scream for tolerance of the deviancy are the last ones to be tolerant of those who don’t believe as they do!

    • Pebbles

      I agree, then they use the racist tact.

  • Glen Key

    Just a group that continues to believe that “if you are not like me and don’t think like me you are wrong”. What part of this is freedom?
    disqus_xLn56CDAGb commented as a CC permit holder, I agree with all you said. I can not understand why the preacher did not whack one of them up side the head when he had the chance to do so.
    Fat boy will have his day in court and jail.

  • W Randall

    I hope there was more than one arrest! There is a laundry of charges those guys could press if they wanted to.

  • John G.

    Christians do not believe in beating up someone just because they disagree with their sexual orientation. The retort by the reader who said that Christians beat up on homosexuals is a lie.

    Liberals continue to twist the truth to fit with their distorted view of “right and wrong”. Read the bible and know the truth.

    • Amanda Barker

      The men that beat and left Matthew Shepard to die both claimed Christanity in court.

      • Mel Content

        Apparently your little martyr Saint Matthew was a tweaker and partied with the same fellow druggies who eventually killed him. More of a casualty of methamphetamine-induced rage than homophobia…

        • Amanda Barker

          I don’t know what a tweaker is – please define.

  • agbjr

    “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering.”

    Daniel Webster

    • Winston

      Not with Satan in the white house or perhaps he is Lucifer? Ask the illuminati. they are pulling the strings making the USA lead/forcing all nations into the NWO.

  • Omar

    It is sad. These deviants have to live with overwhelming shame and guilt. Knowing that with every breath they defile their own selves. The tolerant, loving left is so similar to the Nazis. They were left also, National Socialists.

  • Kathy W

    This wonderful young pastor had no hate messages on his sign. He was calm and patient. There was nothing personal on his sign. I don’t get it. They threatened sexual and physical violence against him? I don’t think this is typical but it is typical of Sodom.

  • Douglas

    AND THEY WANT RESPECT!!!???

  • moberndorf

    Scum. Period.

  • DMG

    Bring Back Gay Bashing today: Watch the gays wash away!

    January 1979 – Tennessee Williams was the victim of an assault in Key West, being beaten by five teenage boys. He escaped serious injury. The episode was part of a spate of anti-gay violence inspired by an anti-gay newspaper ad run by a local Baptist minister.

    Gays complained so much that gay bashing was so wrong for anyone to attack another just because they are different.

    Now look at these weak gay wierdos…

    Lesbian Mob Beats Street Preacher at Seattle Gay Pride (UPDATED)

  • Winston

    “Why is it called “Gay Pride Week”? Is this behavior to be proud of?”
    These people have nothing to be proud of; that is why they hate. They are a mockery of God. God will judge them; we don’t have to but at the same time, we can accept or participate in their sin. They are the scourge that caused the great flood. What will be unleashed in our time because of their sin?

  • Winston

    Protect your children against them. The public schools will ruin your children. You need to make sure their souls are protected. Do not think the signs we see today aren’t apocalyptic.

  • Big_Jake

    So much for freedom of expression. Liberal thought depends on rabid emotional response in order to over stimulate it’s emotionally immature followers. Have you ever wondered why it was so easy for Mao to get his college student henchmen to help murder millions and millions of Chinese citizens? This video is a perfect example of the textbook “useful idiots” Mao depended upon. Like children lying on the floor of a department store, kicking and screaming because they can’t get their way, these “tolerant, peace loving” Leftists show what they are capable of. If everyone would simply stop thinking for themselves, bow down, worship them and condone their lifestyle, everything would be just hunky dory. This is the result of THEIR lack of tolerance

    • Dave Phelps

      I see a group of people that are heading for hell unless they repent, accept Jesus as the Lord of their life

      • Big_Jake

        I’m happy you have your beliefs.

    • Amanda Barker

      Considering the facts the police a) showed up and b) were seen placing one of the men involved in the brawl under the arrest, clearly the government is attempting to maintain some form of order. I’m really starting to wonder if people are responding to the video or the title of the video.

      • Big_Jake

        If the officers HAD been in control they would have never let the situation escalate to the point of actual physical violence. I’m sure the police officers were just as concerned with NOT doing anything that would have gotten THEM in trouble with our corrupt government as they were keeping the peace. Look around you, the politicians WANT officers to comply with their OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL AGENDAS more than actually enforcing the laws. It’s how the politicians keep their thumbs on law enforcement. This is an indication just how badly we need to keep the 2nd Amendment EXACTLY as it was drafted. If the government controls law enforcement it’s easier for them to control law abiding citizens.

        • Amanda Barker

          Someone has to *call* the police. They’re not Jedis. They can’t sense where there is about to danger. Someone has to notice a problem and initiate a 911 call at which point the police show up as quickly as they can… which is all what happened. If you’ll notice they weren’t anywhere on scene at the beginning and it’s been statistically proven that police are just as useful staying in one spot and waiting to be called as they are aimlessly roaming and looking for a place to intervene.

          Even Batman had a the bat signal. Calm down. Not everyone is omnipotent.

    • newyorker

      YOUR CORRECT.

  • Waldo

    Nothing about homosexuality is even on those signs!

    • Denise Rogers

      nope, but that’s what they saw.

  • JPauline Baker

    More thug crowd mentality. Lots of courage in a crowd, cowards when no back-up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maryanne-Greenberg/100002136565995 Maryanne Greenberg

    wow no one is allowed to have a d iffering opinion in this country. I thought our 1st amendment right to speak and protest were still available to all of us. I can’t believe that this gal and guy had their kids with them, booze in the strollers and were this type of example to their children. Shame on them.

  • KathySchweigert

    Very sick people!

  • Bill

    Hello, you see the Gays want to start a war, well let me tell you if that is what they want they will get one, and it will not be a pretty sight. We are ready for them and we will destroy them. They need to go away, quit trying to push there stupid life style on others. The Creator does not want them and we do not want them. Stay away from us or it will be your last. That is a promise. Obama started all this crap and has destroyed this country, we will take it back. And that is a promise.

    • blackyb

      They keep molesting peoples’ children and they are going to get more than they bargained for many times what they bargained for.

    • Sean T Gallagher

      your a sad little man aren’t you..

  • Allen Bishop

    This is a HATE CRIME plain and simple but the thug will not be charged as he was with the minority group, only the white, straight, majority is ever charged with hate crimes.

  • Navy Vet

    Any one who disagree ‘s with their ideology is a homophic. All I know the bible says man shall covet a wife (women ),not a person with the same plumbing!

    • blackyb

      They made that word up. They are the ones phobic of life as being normal. They like attention. Haven’t you noticed? They like to be stroked and looked at as something special because they know they are greedy, selfish and basically retarded emotionally.

  • David

    I oppose gay marriage, support TheFIRE.org, but I’m not sure I support allowing this type of protest in the context of a Gay Pride parade. I don’t think that the Westboro Baptist Church has a right to protest at funerals of soldiers. I think think atheists have a right to have a booth on the public square that denigrates Christianity. It is all about context.

    Parades are celebrations. Interrupting them with inflammatory and provocative demonstrations seem to fall into yelling falsely, “Fire” in a crowded theatre.

    While funerals are public affairs, it’s purpose is for the public mourning and recognition of loss, not a photo opportunity .

    Recognizing Christmas with positive messages is the goal of public expression on the public square. The atheists use it as an expression against Christianity, which is religious expression.

    I pray for wisdom in this age of foolery.

    • blackyb

      Westboro Church is an embarrassment to Christianity.

  • Denise Rogers

    David, FUNERALS are private affairs…And your argument is a faulty one. PARADES ARE PUBLIC affairs.

  • Denise Rogers

    Guess they are all going to hell for their behavior. If they weren’t doing something they thought was a sin, the sign would have meant nothing to them……..as it is, “they resist to strongly. We are all sinners. By the way, WHAT A WOMAN!!!!!not

    • blackyb

      I agree with you. Most of them are probably drinking, drunk or drugged. I imagine most of them do this to play their games and live like that. I am betting most of them entered into this lifestyle drunk or they would not have been so stupid, perhaps drugged.

  • MuzzleHead Wayne

    Gay Pride Week? Are they ashamed for the remaining 51 weeks of the year? Really, you need a special week and a parade, and special events to announce to whomever is within earshot that your gay? Who give a rats ass what your sex life involves. Why do you feel the need to make sure I know what type of sex you prefer? Get over yourselves and move on. The gay movement will die out soon enough, of AIDS or some other new disease soon to be discover from having sex with anyone and everyone, four legs or more. These hetrophobic children need to go back to the dark corner of their closets.

    • blackyb

      They have to recruit constantly or they will dry up. They cannot reproduce, so they recruit. Some of them adopt children and the child grows up confused, I would imagine. Some of the guy ones, especially the guy ones molest the little boys they adopt. It should be against the law for gays to adopt children, and many straight people as well. People are going to hell in a hand basket, as the saying goes. There is something the matter with this because God says this is an abomination.

      • Mel Content

        They have to recruit constantly or they will dry up

        I beg to differ. The reason for Gay Pride Week is simply to feed their narcissistic supply. These people are hungry for approval and attention, and simply need to be on center stage…

  • blackyb

    These gays are suffering from being blinded by sin and a seared conscious. They are likely already hell bound.

  • Starbrander

    He’ll Enjoy Prison….And He’ll Get A Lot Of Smokes…And They Have Nasty Diseases Up Their Anus….Average Life Expectancy For Gay Men Is 50

  • steveindajeep

    They only March for tolerance of them and thier ideas, not anyone else’s views. Typical double liberal standard.

  • Marlin208

    They want the whole world to be gay, that is the reason they adopt little boys and then rape them.

    • Jennifer

      Don’t EVER compare homosexuality to the monstrosity of hurting children. That’s as dumb as claiming heterosexual pedos hurt girls because they’re straight.

      • moxie1956

        No matter what side of the moral issue one comes down on, it helps to have our arguments backed up with facts. Both of you might want to check out this link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610

        Social Science Research

        Volume 41, Issue 4, July 2012, Pages 752–770

        • David

          Still just the worldly knowledge of men… Leaves out the Truth that there is One God and He will Judge the Hearts of men !!!

          • moxie1956

            I wholeheartedly agree. It’s just when there is a debate on any subject, I believe facts AND BELIEFS ought to be used rather than just emotional blasts.

      • johnsmith500

        Both are wrong, and bad. What is your point? And you will soon see pedophilia also supported and justified by the “equality” mob. The polygamists already starting to use the DOMA and California rulings to argue their cases. So pedophiles, and those who want bestiality too might make their own push and their own groups would start lobbying for “equality” LGBT style.

        • Jennifer

          What’s my point?? My point is that accusing homosexuals of such a horrific crime only makes things ten times worse! What morons voted down my comment? Are the kinds of freaks who mistake this type of thing that common?

          • johnsmith500

            Again, both are wrong and bad no matter how you or others try to paint homosexuality as “good” or “normal”, they are both bad. That is why the question was asked, what is/was your point?
            You comment made absolutely no sense, which explains why it was voted down. Feel free to call everyone who disagrees with you “morons” and “freaks”, as you seem to fit the profile.

          • Jennifer

            Talk about fitting the profile, when you not only accuse me of seeing homosexuality as good, but support the moronic comparison of two adults having consensual sex to raping a CHILD. One is breaking the law and violating an innocent, the other is private and none of your business, abnormal but having nothing to do with the law. THAT makes perfect sense to everyone except the fool’s muddied mind.

          • johnsmith500

            Are you done projecting and throwing insults?Is it too hard to read a SIMPLE question?What is/was the point of your original rant?
            And what/where/who supported “the moronic comparison of two adults having consensual sex to raping a CHILD”?
            Stick to the facts and what was said, and not what the voices in your head telling you.
            Next drop the “I have the higher moral ground” because you don’t.
            I did not support anything. I simple said, your rant has no point. Rape, pedophilia, and homosexuality are ALL in my opinion bad. All are sins, all should NEVER be allowed.

            Speaking of moronic, if you are going to use the “consensual” argument to justify homosexuality, then there are people who are arguing that a child can consent, and are even bringing “scientists” to support their arguments. The same is being done for those who are arguing in favor of legalizing polygamy.

            Yes homosexuality became my business and everyone’s business since you and your likes made it a national case and got SCOTUS to rule over it and now are forcing us to pay for your “spousal” benefits and other things too. When you do that, that made it our business, get it?
            You can’t selectively tell people what is and what is not their business. Just because two people agree/consent to something that does not make it right, otherwise you can “consent” to being killed/raped and the other person can get away with it, for example.
            You took a semi-sarcastic comment literally and went on a tirade and a rant, and then a flow of insults. Your life must be either boring or full of stress that you seem to be bent on taking it out online.

          • Jennifer

            You are ranting yourself and putting words in my mouth where they never existed, and yes, of course I vote comments down when they personally attack me. Me and my “likes”? MY marriage? You presumptious dope, I’m not at all a lesbian; I’m not the one who made same-sex marriage a national deal and I don’t support or condone it. You have absolutely no mental concept of either my beliefs or the issues at hand I’m discussing. My point IS that accusing homosexuals of having an extra agenda to violate children does NOT help the conservative’s issue, or opinion; it’s an ignorant, ugly and hateful thing to say, and in attacking my opposition to it and maintaining only that “both are wrong and should never be allowed”, you’ve proven that what you SUPPORT is interfering with and comparing private acitivites to harming a child and, now apparently, “consenting to be murdered or raped”; you do NOT consent to be raped, or it wouldn’t be rape, such rhetoric has no sense. I most certainly can tell you what is other people’s business, as according to the law: anything that requires our tax money is, like same-sex marriage, our business. Consensual sex between two adults is NOT; the state has no legal authority to ban something like gay sex.

            “Just because two people agree/consent to something that does not make it
            right”

            Agreed, but what you and the uglier right-wingers don’t seem to get is that there’s a difference between something not being morally right, and something being illegal. If it’s not illegal, it’s not the business of the public, unless you’d like to have the government peering into people’s windows to prevent such sexual activity. You can preach against it all you want, that’s perfectly legal, but considering your words that it should “never be allowed”, it appears you indeed think the state has the right to physically restrict it. What a Republican: keep the state away from our lives unless it comes to something I don’t approve of.

          • johnsmith500

            You seem to have lots of uncontrolled anger and have way too much free time on your hands. Funny thing is you accuse me of “ranting” while your rants, including this last one, 4 paragraphs of incoherent ramblings, are you serious?You really think you can fool anyone like this?

            I asked a simple question, which you failed so far to answer without dancing around the point posting endless rants and ramblings. What was the point in your original comment? NOTHING. Someone posted what seemed to be half sarcastic comment, which sent you on ranting rampage, then you complained about your rant being voted down, insulting those who did, while you voted comments down and justified it too based on non-existent personal attacks. That is a text book case of hypocrisy, but then again, you might not be able to grasp that concept seeing what you managed to spew so far.

            “Republican views about govenrment control”?What does that mean exactly? Do you understand what Conservatives are about? (Hint: Conservatives are much more than Republicans)
            I don’t think you do, because if you did, you wouldn’t put those 2 in the same concept, and I don’t care if you are going to use a RINO for some weak example to counter a basic concept that Conservatives fight for.

            You Liberals want it both ways, when it comes to what you want, you welcome the government in your house, in your work place, and even in your private sex life, but once you are faced with a basic moral issue or something that is illegal, you complain and post lame slogans like “keep the government out of my body” and similar stuff.
            No I didn’t see homosexuality should be physically disallowed or prohibited. You were just complaining about putting words in your mouth, didn’t you?How come you do it all time?I said should not be allowed as in legalized and state sponsored/sanctioned “marriage”, is that too hard to understand? What you do in your personal life, in the privacy of your home is your business, and I am not interested in it, but once you take it out in the street and want me even to pay for it, then it became my business and I will oppose it with everything that I have. You want to abort your child, you’ll have to live with that decision for the rest of your life and answer for your action to God, if that child and his mother were both healthy, no danger on anyone’s life, not a result of a rape, incest. I am not God and I can’t prevent you from it, but you will have to pay for it yourself, and stop calling me all those names because you think that you are entitled to kill a defenseless baby. Same thing goes for the gay/homosexual/lesbian/bi/transgender/…etc. Do what you want, keep it in your house, and stop calling others names and attacking them and their families and businesses because they see this as a perversion and sin and do not agree with it. We, Conservatives also don’t want any government telling us what to do, that is why we also oppose universal authoritarian style health care systems like Obamacare and others. So next time before you go on another rant, please do some basic research about what you want to argue about.

            I saw at least several articles about polygamy advocates using the DOMA and Prop 8 rulings to push their agenda. You can run a small web search to read about that. Nobody accused you of anything, nobody said you are an ignorant, my original comment along with couple of others was about your “this is different from that” which was stating the obvious, yet somehow you felt “offended” when asked what was the point, but I guess this will go for another week or so before you realize the futility of such arguments.

          • Jennifer

            I don’t even know what the heck you’re talking about. Your last two posts were full of insults, and you deny this; I put down the original accusation that homosexuals in general want to rape children, and you ask me what the point is; I explain the point, and you ignore it; I say I’m not a liberal or a lesbian, and you ignore this and go into another crammed together rant about how I’m a liberal who wants you to pay for abortions. If you’re not going to listen and accuse me of lying into the bargain, there’s no way I can take you seriously.

            “Nobody accused you of anything, nobody said you are an ignorant”

            I never said they did, dear.

            “No I didn’t see homosexuality should be physically disallowed or prohibited. You were just complaining about putting words in your mouth, didn’t you?”

            You said in your previous post, “Rape, pedophilia, and homosexuality are ALL in my opinion bad. All are sins, all should NEVER be allowed”. You said homosexuality should not be allowed, and that my argument that gay sex between adults is consensual was faulty. So, it certainly sounds like you think homosexual sex should be restricted.

            “you will have to pay for it yourself, and stop calling me all those names because you think that you are entitled to kill a defenseless baby”

            We never even BROACHED the topic of abortion, and you’re ranting again about presuming what I stand for. I made it very clear I’m not a liberal, or a lesbian, and I certainly don’t want an abortion or you, or any other similar person, anywhere near my children, thank you. You’ve lost all train of thought.

          • johnsmith500

            My posts were full of insults?What is this, short memory span?Or selective memory?Or just lying?

            Your comments are there, read them.

            Start with your pathetic, angry and full of insults comment.
            ” What morons voted down my comment? Are the kinds of freaks who mistake this type of thing that common?”

            Just for some people daring to vote your other mindless, pointless rant down.

            Who is the one who is throwing insults?Yeah, I responded to your rants and insults, yet it seems you don’t like your mud thrown back at you, and while you deny being a Liberal, you act like one, and you even prove it by being a victocrat, instantly playing the victim once you lost the argument.

            So far you have done everything you claimed you stood against, you insulted while complaining about non-existent insults, you posted long, random, pointless, and incoherent rants including your non sequitur projections about me, a person you have 0 knowledge about, and then complained about others putting words in your mouth (which never happened so far), while you happily do so. Is it too hard to:

            1. Argue/discuss/post your opinion without personal attacks.

            2. Stop projecting.

            3. Stop doing things that you say you say you don’t like others doing.

            4. Sop playing the victim.

            I don’t think that I am asking to much here?Some sanity and objectivity in your posts certainly make you look much better as right now, most of the people here either gave up on reading your rants, or are just not willing to respond and then get a flood of personal attacks from you.

            Lastly, learn how to follow/read/comprehend what others are saying and something called context. The abortion point was made as an EXAMPLE of polarizing argument and how Liberals force their agenda on others, a fact that seems to be beyond the grasp of a closet Liberal like yourself. No one said it was the topic. Get it?

            You once again, show your hypocrisy when you throw random topics when you feel like it, yet complain about alleged off topic, when the example posted went completely over your head.

            A small advice for you. If you don’t want to be labeled as a Liberal, then stop acting as one.

          • Jennifer

            I don’t think I’m a victim at all, I just point out your own ridiculous inconsistencies and hypocrisy; my original post was perfectly justified, and I called people who voted against it morons and the person who can’t tell between a homosexual and a pedophile is a freak. You then said I fit the profile for a moron and a freak, so the first insults between us came directly from YOU. You then acted as though you couldn’t possibly comprehend why I’d be angry at the original post, ignored both my explanations and flew up the wall when I returned your personal insults. You now speak against insulting someone you don’t even know; perhaps like you insulted me, you mean? Calling me a liberal lesbian, assuming what my sexual lifestyle is like, then accusing me of wanting you to pay for murdering my child? You’ve tripped over your own tongue in your anger, and should take your own advice in your run-on responses.

          • johnsmith500

            Oh dear, where to start?

            Man, you are really a piece of work, aren’t you?

            It seems you either have a mixture of ADHD and Tourette syndrome couple with a short memory span, you just act like this when you lose the argument. I honestly don’t know which one it is, but I’ll give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you just can’t control your emotions and spew nonsense, which I can understand as some people react like that.

            Let me try to summarize, maybe this one won’t go flying over your head like the rest as

            1. Someone posted a half sarcastic comment mentioning homosexuality and child abuse in the same comment,

            2. You jumped posting an angry message adding nothing to the thread.

            3. I asked a simple question, what was the point of your comment, and reminded you of my personal opinion that both are wrong.

            4. You posted another angry response, and that was full of insults to everyone who voted down your angry comment, and personally attacking me for asking a simple question of what was the point in your original comment.

            And here were are. several posts later, you STILL can’t answer the question and stay objective, but would rather.

            1. Post long incoherent rants, ramblings and pointless raves.
            2. Attack others with insults and personal level remarks while complaining about imaginary insults thrown at you.

            3. Complain about long responses, while your responses are pages and pages of random incoherent text.

            4. Act like a Liberal, but feel “offended” when treated as such.

            5. Shooting down arguments as irrelevant, while your posts are riddled with off topic rants.

            6. Claiming that we “assumed your sexual life style” while that was not even in question, which shows you are either failing in basic reading comprehension or just not reading what you are responding to.

            7. Amazingly enough, you accuse me of anger, while your posts are flat out angry and aggressive. Have you read your own posts, my dear confused hypocrite fellow human?

            8. Yes you are playing a victim. When complain about some of your own mud is thrown back at you, and your aggressive and insult filled posts are called out, you complain that you were being attacked and insulted, that’s playing a victim.
            You’d probably scream “rape!” and claim that you were assaulted if this discussion was face to face.

            8. Last but not least, in another show of pathetic text book hypocrisy, you said in your last sentence

            “and should take your own advice in your run-on responses.”

            And that is right there, in the same response that is one giant run-on rant.

            (Not to mention that my responses were never run-on style. they were always broken into paragraphs because I know your likes have problems in basic reading comprehension so I try to make it easier for you to read. Consider it a free public service, and also consider looking up the definition of “run-on” as you seem to have yet another hole in your knowledge of definition of words that you use)

            But tell me, are you like this in real life too?If so, I feel sorry for everyone who has to deal with you in real life. That must be an awful thing to endure, dealing with a person like you, an angry, self-righteous, self installed expert who can’t see her own inconsistencies, anger and fails to address her own hypocrisy.
            You seem to have no problems in posting angry messages full of insults and personal attacks, yet you whine and complain about imaginary insults thrown at you, and pretty much accused others of everything you do. Please look up the definition of hypocrisy in your favorite resource.

            Now that we have shown that you are an angry hypocrite that is disconnected from reality which likes to play the victim when losing the argument. Let me try to inject some common sense into you and into this thread.

            Here is a short summary.
            MY PERSONAL OPINION.
            Homosexuality is sin and is perversion.
            Child abuse should NEVER be tolerated.
            Both are wrong. That does not mean that both should be discussed, agreed on or disagreed on in the same context.
            Homosexuality is given a free pass for political reasons, and to get more voters by corrupt politicians who are bending the laws, rules and stomping on rights and decency in the process. That does not make it right, natural or good.
            You can be a homosexual, in your private home. That’s your business. Just don’t sell it to me as being a natural thing, or call me a bigot for sticking to my faith and values, or asking me to pay for it.

            Same thing with the rest of the liberal agenda like abortion and others.
            You believe in what you want, and do what you want, you will have to answer for it one day to God. In the mean time, keep it to yourself and stop attacking others for disagreeing with all this moral decay of society and for sticking with their faith and the values that we were raised on and made us what we are today.

            To say that you are not a Liberal but somehow, you act like one, and defend their agenda. I don’t know about you, but I call things as I see them, you know the old saying, if it walks like a duck…..

            Finally, stop playing the victim, because you and your likes are not. In fact you were always the aggressor and the offender, and this video is just small sample of what is going on today.

          • Jennifer

            Hon, read the last few of your responses and compare them to mine. You’ve got on to six, maybe eight or so paragraphs, while my replies have been increasingly short. I already explained things to you: the first post here was nasty and prejudiced. I acted outraged to that, and you ridiculously asked me why, basically.

            “You posted another angry response, and that was full of insults to everyone who
            voted down your angry comment, and personally attacking me for asking a simple
            question of what was the point in your original comment.”

            I never attacked you in my first reply to you, dear. I insulted people who voted down my reasonable comment, people who couldn’t tell the difference between a pedo and a homo, and acted extremely exasperated with you for your question; no insult to you actually took place. The first insult between us came from you, when you said I fit the profile for being a moron and a freak. So once again, your conviction that I threw the first insult at you is either a lie or..imaginary.

            “Yes homosexuality became my business and everyone’s business since you and your likes made it a national case and got SCOTUS to rule over it and now are forcing us to pay for your “spousal” benefits and other things too”

            You just claimed in this sentence that I’m a lesbian and want your payment for my spousal benefits, just as you later claimed I want your money to pay for my abortions. You call me a lesbian and accuse me of wanting to abort my kids, so you cannot sit here and tell me in your #6 point that assuming my lifestyle was not even in the question. You pretend you’re innocent of insults, assume what my beliefs are and basically accuse me of lying when I contradict you about them, claiming instead that I “act” like a liberal because I’ve returned insults for your own and am offended by the comparison between a pedophile and a homosexual. You understand perfectly well what I’m saying, and you’re increasingly gibbering in anger and denying you ever insulted me, while demanding over and over that I answer your ridiculous original question, which I already did a few posts ago. And yes, your sentences are run-on; you cram out more insults in one post than I have in the past three, you put punctuation marks right on top of the next sentences and you repeat yourself over and over in raging anger. I was yawning before I was halfway through your last post; you’ve gone from angering me to boring me with this nonsense. The people who know me, btw, understood perfectly my points here, and enjoy my writing in general.

          • johnsmith500

            So all this long drivel to complain about my long replies?LOL.

            Thank dear, you made my day. What an excellent example to point out human hypocrisy. I think that I am going to print this conversation to a PDF file and send it to anyone who wants to see an example of hypocrisy.

            I might also add your lack of basic reading comprehension skills too. You take words and entire sentences out of context and then put words in my mouth while complaining about others allegedly putting words in your mouth.

            Once again, for the reading comprehension challenged, I NEVER discussed your PERSONAL sexual preferences. The “you” in my comments is in PLURAL and is figurative and not literal. Are you like this in real life too?

            All your posts are full of angry and aggressive comments, mine are mostly sarcastic and poking fun at your inconsistencies and glaring hypocrisy, yet somehow you managed to accuse me of being angry?Hello?

            Not only that, then you go right in the next sentence and shoot yourself in foot, admitting that you were angry all this time.

            “you’ve gone from angering me to boring me”

            LOL.

            I have to ask, and this a genuine question and not even sarcastic, do you drink while you post?Or get high on something?

            Not that it is my business, but I find it interesting how someone has all these inconsistencies and this incredible show of hypocrisy in every post. That must be the result of alcohol, crack/pot, or medication. If it is the latter, then I apologize if you have a medical condition that cause this.

            (and please do not whine about insults, because I never even remotely insulted you),

            Last thing, my dear confused fellow human, I never insulted you or even remotely tried to do so. Trust me, if I wanted to do so, you’ve been run out of this thread long time ago. My point stands, and my question was never answered.

            What was the point in your original comment?Why would someone be offended by a seemingly sarcastic and not even a serious comment which also seemed to be a weak troll too?

            You made a career out of whining and showing hypocrisy responding to an obvious weak troll, but it worked on you, hook, line, and sinker.

            Life must be either stressful for you, to take out all this anger at random strangers online, or you just have way too much time on your hands to aimlessly throw accusations and insults at others while complaining about non-existent insults and showcasing your hypocrisy in the process.

            You took this from a normal discussion into a personal attacks/insults/accusations fest. Why can’t you stay on topic?

            Several times I tried to push this back to the topic, and asked you to answer my original question without your usual juvenile accusations and insults, you continue to post long drivel, ranting and raving about non existent insults, accusing me of being angry while your anger can be seen by anyone reading these comments and anyone reading these comments can also tell that I was never angry and in fact I have been pressing your buttons by joking and being sarcastic all along. You even admitted to it. Yet, somehow you continue to ASSume that I am the angry one. LOL. Man that’s what I call free entertainment.

            “The people who know me”

            Yeah, the classic “I have tons of people agreeing with me, but you can’t see them” response. Sure, your last resort is to hold hands with your imaginary friends and dance together.

            I have yet to see a single person agreeing with you so far.

          • Jennifer

            I haven’t seen a single person agree with you either, hon; those who know me tell me not to bother getting involved with you. Of course I was angry with you earlier on, and once again you clearly did insult me first with your “you fit the profile” remark; if you can’t understand my original explanation, I can’t help you. The one who’s been the angriest, though, has been you, and for longer; it wasn’t long in our argument when you began to get snappish, and after that the replies got more long-winded and more and more full of insults.

            “your buttons by joking and being sarcastic all along”

            LMAO Your last few posts before this more recent one, where you’ve rapidly switched tactics, were snarling with anger: insults, all caps, and repeating yourself.

            “The “you” in my comments is in PLURAL and is figurative and not literal”

            First of all, if that’s true, I’m surprised you took seven posts or so to say this. And secondly, it doesn’t matter; when I said I was not a liberal and even showed I disagree with gay marriage, you insisted I was one anyway, accused me of lying, and then grouped me with both lesbians and baby-killing pro-choice liberals. You very clearly assumed I was one of the kinds of women in this video, in every way.

            “(and please do not whine about insults, because I never even remotely insulted you),

            I never insulted you or even remotely tried to do so”

            You do have a habit of repeating yourself. As to your claim of not insulting me. Uh huh. Let’s see:

            “That must be the result of alcohol, crack/pot, or medication”

            “It seems you either have a mixture of ADHD and Tourette syndrome”

            “just can’t control your emotions and spew nonsense”

            “we have shown that you are an angry hypocrite that is disconnected from reality which likes to play the victim when losing the argument”

            These are examples of what most people consider insults, dear one. Should we focus for a moment on what the general definiton of “insult” is? All together, you’ve assumed I’m a lesbian liberal, accused me of having mental disorders, alcoholism and crack issues, emotional issues, and being a hypocrite. I’ve scarcely received this many insults, though I must say it’s gotten amusing.

            “So all this long drivel to complain about my long replies?”
            I only mentioned the length of your replies in the 1st and last parts of my most recent response, to point out your own silliness in complaining about my own writing length. Most of that response was to point out your general hypocrisy. Truth is, you act more like a liberal; Ann Coulter advised me and others to argue with liberals in ways that would make them red and splutter with anger. Apparently I’ve done right.

          • johnsmith500

            Blah blah blah. Pages and pages of lies, hypocrisy and crap just because you can’t handle the truth.
            There is not a single one that liked your posts here. NOT A SINGLE like, while my comments dew several likes, and the only vote down came from you. Just how disconnected from reality are you.
            Other than your glaring hypocrisy, whining about non-existent angry posts and insults, while your posts are nothing but insults and your angry and aggressive tone is there for anyone to see, apparently only you see your garbage as sane and not angry blither.
            You admit that you are angry, yet right in the same sentence you claim that you are not angry and that I am the angry one.
            You also post pages and pages of incoherent drivel, rants and ravings, inserting aimless crap in them, while you complain about my comments. You also got caught lying claiming my posts were run-on, while they were not, and in the process you managed to post a run-n drivel about that too.

            I think you are either on drugs, or have a drinking problem. No sane/sober person is THIS stupid and this inconsistent.

            Yes, my original remark the “you” in it was in plural, and was figurative, but I underestimated how stupid and reading comprehension challenged you are.
            You comments went from entertaining read to just flat out boring and stupid.
            Yes, you have a mental issue or an addiction issue, read your own remarks, and take your pick.

      • Marlin208

        First off I can say and do whatever I want. Second this is a major problem that is under reported because of Liberals like you not wanting people to know the truth about gays.
        Child abuse is way up in gay marriages. Why not know some facts before spouting off at the mouth.
        It is all about your feelings and not about facts. And it is great that there is never any protection for the children.
        You want to flop in bed with another guy fine, but if you can not make children then you shouldn’t be allowed to adopt.

        • Jennifer

          More ignorance. I’m a conservative; I post all the time against Barack Obama and liberal nut-jobs. But when people spout even worse crap, like accusing homosexuals of being the same as PEDOPHILES, they make the situation worse and people even angrier with their hateful ignorance, muddying the situation even more.

  • johnsmith500

    The values of the left/LGBT. Such a shame the lame stream media does not report things like this. Imagine the uproar if this was someone even remotely perceived as Christian even slightly raising his voice on a gay or a lesbian person.

    • coachanthony

      “Thier values…” yeah, did you hear them yelling “Here come the cops?” No doubt, they hate the police just as they hate the Boy Scouts, the Catholics, the Bible, the Tea Party, etc. The leftist/socialists are the haters in this country, not the bitter clingers……

      • johnsmith500

        I was being sarcastic about the “values” of the LGBT since the left, and their LGBT goons claim they have the higher moral ground. I am sure they can’t even define what morals are, but that’s hardly news to me.

  • joespenthouse

    These are the kind of people that want to teach the Boy Scouts what life is all about,give me a break,it,s not discrimination it,s an abomination.

    • true american

      You are so right, Joe! We are living in Sodom and Gomorrah! I’ve seen Hogs rolling around in muddy water that had more morals than this bunch had! My hat’s off too the preacher’s, even though they shoulda known their signs we’re going to cause trouble.

  • Robert12Disqus

    it’s great to see the glbt at their finest as usual. nothing has changed they’re just as friendly as they have always been. kudo’s to the preacher and his brother for being out there doing something.

  • joespenthouse

    Where was ovomit? hiding,maybe he was busy blowing balloons for the festival.

  • dj dickie degrees

    Why did the one cop pour the booze and beer out of the ladies stroller?

  • Kevin Blankenship

    Exactly right those who claim their rights are violated daily with intolerance and judgmental behavior, strike out with aggressive intolerance and violence to harmless free speech Pastors who obviously could have not turned the other cheek and done quite well! God Bless them for going into the Lions den and doing good work!

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    STRAIGHT preacher. STRAIGHT multiple-felon attacker.

    • vdomkr

      clueless moron.

    • Big_Jake

      Sorry you’re such a dishonest person Joey my boy.

    • Troy Berkely

      Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E???????????

    • Wilber Smedley

      If Obo has a son he would look like the fat homo.

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    Thousands of gay events in hundreds of cities EVERY year and these
    repulsive “Christian” reptiles appear at EVERY one to scream insults and
    wave their hateful signs. ONE time the above happens, and even though
    the assailant is a drunk, STRAIGHT, multiple felon, all wingnuts say,
    “SEE? This is what GAY people are like!” Good GRIEF.

    • Big_Jake

      Funny there was very little if any screaming of insults from the Christians, merely lawful protest. As a matter of fact I saw none. If disagreement is what you call “screaming insults” you need to investigate why you are insisting on NOT being intellectually honest. There was constant aggression from those against the Christians, especially the woman in the white tank top and the clown who kept fighting to keep his butt in his shorts. They were ultra aggressive. I suggest if you are actually as sincere as you are portraying yourself in your comment, (yeah, right) you may need to view the video again. Your disingenuous to say the least. Your agenda is evidently MORE IMPORTANT than the truth and certainly NOT substantiated by the video.

    • anabomb25

      True Christians don’t need to scream. They should stand their and just preach to EVERYONE. Now the question I have is there seems to be no indication that these two were doing any screaming. So there is absolutly no justification for beating people up

      • Jennifer

        Who cares if they HAD been screaming? That still wouldn’t give those bitchy women an excuse to lay a hand on them, especially while they were doing screaming of their own.

    • DianeStudent

      Thanks for saying this Joe! We’ve never had an incident like this happen
      at any gay event I’ve been at and the assailant was clearly drunk and
      not gay. How this became a bunch of lesbians beating someone I don’t
      know. Nobody points out the people that ran to stop the fight and help
      the preachers after the fight despite the reprehensible sign one
      preacher had been carrying. And the comments to this article really say
      it all as all gay people are lumped together, called names and accused
      of pedophilia.

      • Adrian Morgan

        Diane – why bother? This site is promoting hate…..

        • jalina susan stutte

          Promoting Hate? Really? I seen the video and it was a bunch of gays and Lesbians pushing, hitting and f bombing the two Christian men while in front of the children. Maybe you two need glasses. These men were attacked and the cops should have rounded up more and carted their ass off to jail. The gay community has no tolerance for Christians but want us to roll over for them and it’s not going to happen sister.

          • Thomas Sharp

            Truth stings the wicked.

        • Barrustio

          If that were true ….your comment would have been censored…..like they do on HP on anyone who doesn’t agree with the gay lifestyle

        • Jennifer

          This site is not promoting hate, but it’s true that some of the fools commenting here are; most are not, but I’m shocked at some of the ignorance I’ve seen.

      • Str8talk

        The faggots need to understand, to get respect you have to give it. This video did not help your cause.

      • Rob

        Not everyone who is posting here is making the statements you claim they are . And I would like to ask you, what do gays on the whole feel about Christians? I dare say that the larger part of them lump all Christians as hatemongers and homophobes. You called the sign reprehensible, yet it said nothing about homosexuality and offered the message of hope that Jesus can save mankind from sins

        • DianeStudent

          What an idiotic question. That would be like me asking what all white people or black people think about Christians. Why lump in groups when people are individuals. As a gay Christian, I love my fellow brethren. And Rob, it’s disingenuous to talk about the sign because we both know his purpose in being there. Somehow homosexuality gets lumped in with all sexual sin even though a clear interpretation of the Word in its original languages says nothing about same sex committed relationships.

          • Rob

            I was always taught there was no such thing as a stupid (or as you called it idiotic) question. My question was asked in sincerity. People are so cynical these days. You refuse to believe that those who were attacked wanted to help. Because their message conflicted with your lifestyle you want to find fault with it. I’m a Christian, and my belief is that we are all sinners and need Christ as our savior. Mankind has committed numerous sins throughout the ages. And to a large degree I think God really don’t care what our sins are. He cares that we have sinned and he cares where we put our faith and trust. Like you I love everone, I would love to see all mankind be saved in God’s Kingdom. It doesn’t matter to me that you are gay. That we disagree and probably will never see eye to eye doesn’t make me love you any less.

            You say the assailant weas clearly drunk, so even if we leave the gays out of it, there were those there who could have benefited from the ministers message. You don’t seem to believe that anyone who believes the Bible condemns homosexuality has any sincere desire to help other people. Yet belief that the Bible is clear, sinply is not supported histrorically. There have been countless wars over the Bible, numerous religions and faiths that have sprung up since the time of Christ. And I maintain that if the verses you are thinking of were clear on the subject either way then the event where this took place wouldn’t have had to take place, because everyone would accept it just as we accept murder and thievery is wrong. So, you can’t really criticize people because they don’t see things as you. Especially since there is ample evidence that opinions differ so greatly on whet the Bible says. Mark Twain said that the parts of the Bible that bother him are the parts he understands, not the parts he don’t. I would have to say I agree with him. To me Romans 1:27 is clear. Homosexuality is a sin. And to say that it is a sin, you have to believe that the power of Christ can heal sin. If Christ can’t heal all sin then he’s not really the Christ.

            Are people born gay? I don’t know, maybe some are. But to this I’ll add I haven’t come across any evidence to prove this one way or another. If you have some, please show me. But to me it’s less of a question of are people born this way and more of a question of does God say it’s sin and what does He want me to do about it and any other sins we have as people. If it is truely a sin, then it’s something that can be overcome.

            Since you are convinced that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality it won’t do me any good to quote Romans 1:27. But I am curious what your interpretation of that verse is.

            You have accused me of disingenuity and asking idiotic questions, and in doing illustrates exactly why I felt I needed to ask. You think that what the Bible says (or doesn’t say) justifies your lifestyle and you are taking issue with my intepretation of it, even though you yourself said it is an intepretation of the Word in it’s original language that says nothing about same sex committed relationships. I would love to speak Hebrew and Greek, but I don’t. I speak English, and have to do the best I can with that. Not everyone who believes the Bible condemns homosexuality is a homophobe or hates gays. As I said, it doesn’t matter to me what sins a person commits. I don’t hate people, and understand that we all fall short of God’s glory and all need a savior. I’m not going to condomn anyone for being gay, I’m not going to condemn anyone for being a thief or a liar. The Bible is clear that if we have broken one point of the law, we have broken the whole law. So, the fact that I am a sinner means I am guilty of breaking all of God’s laws. In doing so, I have demonstrated that me as much as anyone needs a savior.

          • Rob

            Not sure if this working, so I apologize if it double posts. And I’ll try and explain why I felt the need for my question. I was always taught there was no such thing as a stupid (or as you called it idiotic) question. My question was asked in sincerity. People are so cynical these days. You refuse to believe that those who were attacked wanted to help. Because their message conflicted with your lifestyle you want to find fault with it. I’m a Christian, and my belief is that we are all sinners and need Christ as our savior. Mankind has committed numerous sins throughout the ages. And to a large degree I think God really don’t care what our sins are. He cares that we have sinned and he cares where we put our faith and trust. Like you I love everone, I would love to see all mankind be saved in God’s Kingdom. It doesn’t matter to me that you are gay. That we disagree and probably will never see eye to eye doesn’t make me love you any less.

            You say the assailant weas clearly drunk, so even if we leave the gays out of it, there were those there who could have benefited from the ministers message. You don’t seem to believe that anyone who believes the Bible condemns homosexuality has any sincere desire to help other people. Yet belief that the Bible is clear, sinply is not supported histrorically. There have been countless wars over the Bible, numerous religions and faiths that have sprung up since the time of Christ. And I maintain that if the verses you are thinking of were clear on the subject either way then the event where this took place wouldn’t have had to take place, because everyone would accept it as the way God says just as we accept murder and thievery are wrong. So, you can’t really criticize people because they don’t see things as you. Especially since there is ample evidence that opinions differ so greatly on whet the Bible says. Mark Twain said that the parts of the Bible that bother him are the parts he understands, not the parts he don’t. I would have to say I agree with him. To me Romans 1:27 is clear. Homosexuality is a sin. And to say that it is a sin, you have to believe that the power of Christ can heal sin. If Christ can’t heal all sin then he’s not really the Christ.

            Are people born gay? I don’t know, maybe some are. But to this I’ll add I haven’t come across any evidence to prove this one way or another. If you have some, please show me. But to me it’s less of a question of are people born this way and more of a question of does God say it’s sin and what does He want me to do about it and any other sins we have as people. If it is truely a sin, then it’s something that can be overcome.

            Since you are convinced that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality it won’t do me any good to quote Romans 1:27. But I am curious what your interpretation of that verse is.

            You have accused me of disingenuity and asking idiotic questions, and in doing illustrates exactly why I felt I needed to ask. You think that what the Bible says (or doesn’t say) justifies your lifestyle and you are taking issue with my intepretation of it, even though you yourself said it is an intepretation of the Word in it’s original language that says nothing about same sex committed relationships. I would love to speak Hebrew and Greek, but I don’t. I speak English, and have to do the best I can with that. Not everyone who believes the Bible condemns homosexuality is a homophobe or hates gays. As I said, it doesn’t matter to me what sins a person commits. I don’t hate people, and understand that we all fall short of God’s glory and all need a savior. I’m not going to condemn anyone for being gay, I’m not going to condemn anyone for being a thief or a liar. The Bible is clear that if we have broken one point of the law, we have broken the whole law. So, the fact that I am a sinner means I am guilty of breaking all of God’s laws. In doing so, I have demonstrated that me as much as anyone needs a savior.

            Would I have witnessed the way these two did? Probably not, but their right to do so in this manner is protected by the Constitution.

  • iTz L3G3ND³

    Most homosexuals are child predators, perverts, molesters, rapists. The Wild African Ape that created the disease is in their blood and heart.

    • Adrian Morgan

      Such blatant lies, and yet this comment passed the “moderation” criteria? This site must be some sort of propaganda outlet, and not concerned with truth.

      • Barrustio

        It’s certainly not HP where evrything pro-tradition is censored

      • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

        What??

  • vdomkr

    Fags! I’d have kicked all their asses. Queers can’t fight.

  • vdomkr

    Gays suffer from a mental disorder and shouldn’t be allowed in public without a leash.

    • Sean T Gallagher

      Me thinks thee doth protest too much …meaning for your tiny little mind :…your fear of gays probably comes from your own struggles with your own sexual identitiy

      • hisham

        Sorry idiot, but we’re not the ones with the sexual identity issues!

      • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

        Why does it have to mean we have troubles with our sexual identity. I just happen to feel comfortable with the Man-Woman mix. it seems natural to me. While your attitude appears very troubled

  • anabomb25

    Thank you for catching this live. I will say this the Gay community wants to feel justified but they never will. No matter how many laws we have. That lifestyle is not of God & there soul will never be at rest because of it. When they see or hear what the word of God says the demonic forces are revealed. These are oppressives spirits. Until Jesus comes into their heart they won’t receive it. Talk about a spiritual battle.

  • quarkie009

    The gays and lesbians are as tolerant of other people in the same manner that Muslims are tolerant of other peoples’ religion. In other words the gays and lesbians will never be tolerant of other people’s beliefs while decrying that Christians should
    always be tolerant of them, i.e. gays, lesbians and Muslims’ beliefs. By their fruits ye
    shall know them and what they really stand for.

  • anabomb25

    What is so reprehensible is that President Obama created an atmosphere conducive to this lifestyle

    • coachanthony

      Indeed he has…..in this decade, one just cannot be gay enough! Look how the blacks are upset that he continually promotes the LGBTQ community while ignoring the black community.

      • Barrustio

        And the Black community will respond by voting GOP next time …..already there is a massive exodus of Blacks who are identifying as conservative

        • Str8talk

          Agree and I’m one of them.

      • anabomb25

        Its all about votes. He uses LGBTQ & now immigration garnering bores via Mexican amnesty. The Blacks who voted for him are in the back of bus

    • Sean T Gallagher

      really gays never existed before Obama ..your statement shows your intelligence …or lack thereof…

      • hisham

        Like I said, you’re an idiot!

      • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

        Not never existed. Just not being advertised by the sitting president as the way to go! Thee and He (sitting pres) should get together!

      • anabomb25

        No that’s not the point. he has set the stage to allow hatred to florish. You are the no brainer

    • Greg Forschler

      The pride parades have been going on for many many years. Get a clue.

      • anabomb25

        I am well aware of that. I am talking about instilling hatred towards the point of violence. He has set the stage

  • johngy

    Those who cry out for tolerance are generally the most intolerant. Remember when gay’s just wanted to “come out of the closet?” Then they wanted to be recognized. Then they wanted to be tolerated in the workplace. Then they wanted benefits for their partners. Then they wanted their lifestyles taught in the schools. Then they wanted laws to protect their lifestyle. Then they wanted their partnerships recognized. Then they wanted to marry their partner. The camel is now in the tent. This is nothing new. It has been around since recorded history. In the most famous account, the law said that they could have sex with anyone they wanted. Could it go this far? It has in every case in history. Why are we any different?

  • Waldo

    wow.. that is ONE fat ugly lesbian

  • agentm0m

    Typical hypocrisy of the left. Typical hypocrisy of the “Tolerance” Crowd. Those screaming for tolerance are the most INTOLERANT people around. It always boils down to “Tolerance for me but NOT FOR THEE!”

    • Greg Forschler

      You people use one example to condemn a whole group. That is stupid. But you are not capable of understanding this, and never will be. Move along.

  • Sean T Gallagher

    so right wingers haven’t Killed dozens of gays in the last 30 years …no …bullshit …talk to me when a preacher is dragged behind a car by gay people ,,,talk to me when a preacher meeting is fire bombed by gay people …talk to me when preachers are not allowed to keep their jobs because of what they believe …talk to me when murders of preachers are condoned by local police as gays are not arrested …this has never been ,,,, and every person here that has commented here is a potential gay basher and race murderer …

    • hisham

      Sean T Gallagher, you’re an idiot!

      • St8Talk

        And probably a faggot too.

    • Thomas Sharp

      ..so very tolerant of you.

    • Barrustio

      Not the victim card again

    • Heather HippyHomesteader

      I’m talking to you now…that stuff is happening all over the place! Are you living under a rock???

    • Rob

      And until then what these people did is ok with you? Is that what you are saying? Last time I checked two wrongs still don’t make a right. That’s the problem that may of us have with GLAAD and the whole LGBT community. They say they just want equality but some of their members just as guilty of hatred, strongarming and bullying as some of those on the right.

    • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

      Here speaketh the pride of the Gay Pride Brigade. we were going after a mob of imbeciles attacking a couple of people with signs they did not like. I may not like what he said on the sign, but support his right to say it. I make similar commends when I see a bunch of skinheads attacking two young gay men.

    • Big_Jake

      All Conservatives are not homophobes any more than all pedophiles are gay.

    • Jennifer

      Actually Sean, I’ve heard more than once of Christians being almost killed by homemade fire bombs.

  • patriot4life

    That Big Fat Slob and that Big Mouth POS Girl would not last on minute in NY . Its about the Second Amendment !!.

  • wolverineinohio@yahoo.com

    Time to rid society of the faggots in this country .. Are you kidding me , bunch of gays want to beat bible believing , moral people .. I hope that the fags get what’s coming to them , they’ll REALLY enjoy prison ..

    • Greg Forschler

      Time to rid the wold of idiots who don’t understand that people are born that way. Go away and take your stupid religion with you.

      • Larry Pucci

        being gay is a mental disorder.

        • Greg Forschler

          WHere is your proof of this, what does this mean exactly? I thought your side argued that it was a choice?

        • Greg Forschler

          Somehow I knew you would have no counter-argument. Sorry for your loss.

          • Merle Dickey

            Obviously, your choice is to wanna be gay but lying about it.

          • Larry Pucci

            actually, you are the example for my argument. Really sorry you didn’t catch that. You know they do say, “They are the last to know!”

      • Mike V

        Greatest Lie ever told !!! I was born this way. The only time a Gay acknowledges God is real is when they say God Made Me This Way…LOL It’s a choice like everything other vice or addiction ..

        • Greg Forschler

          Are you saying you could choose it? Is being straight a choice then? How does a straight person choose to be gay…you would have to already be gay to even desire that? Wouldn’t you? I could not choose to be gay, please tell me how you could.

          • Merle Dickey

            Oh boy, here he goes again . Like a broken record.

  • wolverineinohio@yahoo.com

    These are another group that has bolstered O’Scumbag .. Where are we headed as a country anyway ?? Under O’Bozo there is now quadruple the amount of fresh racism in this country .. Way to go Barry ,you have managed to totally divide this country , works pretty well for your socialist agenda doesn’t it you muslum prick ??

  • Ann McGregor

    I watched the whole video and I didn’t see a “mob” of lesbians. Honestly, why are gays and lesbians supposed to be tolerant of intolerance?

    • Rob

      Picketing in the confines of one’s Constitutional rights is not intolerance. These activists violated the rigts of these protesters when they touched them. That’s why there were arrests made.

      • Mike V

        Only Common Sense Rob but the gays and their voice that hide behind the computers can’t seem to understand the most simple obvious 1st amendment right, they have to twist and turn it … On the other hand If a Gay man held a sign “I AM A Gay Man ” in front of a church and someone from the church hit him there would be hell to pay. It would be the Hate Crime of the century with all main stream media coverage with hate crime and terrorism charged filed against the bully.

    • St8Talk

      Gays and lezbos are asking for tolerance, but not willing to give it. Screw them.

    • Los Guttierrez

      Do you know how stupid you sound? So because someone disagrees with you, you should curse and physically assault them?!

      Truth is although they are annoying, those guys were exercising their 1st amendment. Because YOU don’t think they are right, doesn’t make it law.

      • Ann McGregor

        Clearly you don’t understand the First amendment.

        • Larry Pucci

          The First Amendment is great. It allows us all to see who ignorant you are. Please continue- it’s quite amusing.

    • Marlin208

      So two guys walking around with bibles and a sign need to be attacked? That is your tolerance. No one was touching the gays, they could have walked right passed the two guys and never even looked at them.
      No but the tolerant pansies had to start their crap with them because they are a sick bunch of B—rds.

    • ezekiel22

      Clearly you do not understand the first amendment and freedom of speech. If that were true that you did then you would be al over the people that attacked the preachers. Instead you try to feign ignorance on the subject. Freedom of speech means that you or I are able to defend each other in order to disagree with each other vehemently. It does not mean I have to attain your idea of tolerance. In my experience the LGBT community is one of the least tolerant there is as well as least respectful of others rights.

      • Ann McGregor

        No. Freedom of Speech means that the government will make no law abridging your freedom to speak. I have no expectation that you will ever reach my level of tolerance for my fellow humans. But do not expect your intolerance to be tolerated by me.

        • ezekiel22

          The way I understand it we are supposed to be the government and as citizens we are supposed to be able to defend those rights. No, I doubt I will ever go as low as you in level of tolerance for fellow humans. You can expect from me the right and the ability to say you or anyone else is wrong. That is freedom of speech not intolerance.

          • Ann McGregor

            Actually, that’s still not freedom of speech but I understand, lots of people don’t know what it means. And telling someone that you think something they are doing is “wrong?” Who are you to sit in judgement?

          • ezekiel22

            You don’t have to sit in judgement to tell someone they are wrong. You are doing the same thing and I could ask you the same question.
            Do you tell a drunk that they should not drink? Or you could tell a junkie the same thing that indulging is wrong. From what authority would any of us have to say something as outrageous as that? Telling one that they should donate to this cause over another is based on what authority?
            Retiring to the who are you position is very lame indeed meant to intimidate and to cow the responder.
            The better question you could answer is on what basis do we as a society base our laws and morals? Do we use The Bible, the Koran, The Humanist manifesto? If we base them on the whims of man those whims change. If we base it on democracy then the mob rules as long as they are a majority.

          • Clifford Michael

            So, are we “wrong” to do so? Who are you to sit in judgment? if you are not free to tell someone they are wrong then what’s the point?

          • Clifford Michael
          • Rob

            There’s a difference between judgment and condemnation. If I judge another’s actions to be opposed to the will of God, that is acceptable as long as it is a righteous judgement. If it is not righteous then I will be judged by the same standard I used. As far as condemnation, I don’t have the right to say another is going to Hell. That is for God to determine.

  • Lisa Johnson

    That FAT ass Uncle Fester looking dude, who looks 9 months pregnant and probably sweating donut glaze, needs his ass kicked. The meth looking tramp needs her ass kicked too.

  • Str8talk

    That FAT ass Uncle Fester looking dude, who looks 9 months pregnant and probably sweating donut glaze, needs his ass kicked. The meth looking tramp needs her ass kicked too.

  • Uomo Senzanome

    Although I decry the violence that occurred and the lack of tolerance of a fairly low-key, non-hostile display of religiosity, pitching this story as demonstrating *gay* intolerance of religion is inaccurate. I agree with JoeMyGodNYC that the main participants were probably *all* straight (yes, Virginia, straight people go to Pride celebrations. Some people will go anywhere there is music, food, booze, and a tolerant attitude towards sexuality in general).
    1) the preacher’s sign didn’t actually specifically address homosexuality. It addressed a number of other things generally acknowledged to be bad ideas and sinful. I would characterize him as at the very least not as gay-unfriendly as some “Christians” (including a number who have commented here). And I admired his and his friend’s very Christian (without the ironic scare quotes) response to being attacked: remaining calm, not escalating the conflict, responding violently or seeking revenge, but persisting in quietly and peacefully preaching their message.
    2) the headline is utterly misleading. If you think those were lesbians you have ABSOLUTELY NO “gaydar.” Over the course of the video it became apparent that the fat shirtless guy and the woman with the baby carriage and booze are probably in a relationship, and they both screamed “heterosexual” to me. They probably had their own reasons for taking offense at the preacher, especially the part of his sign that condemned drunkenness.

    • Rob

      The problem that I have is that a larger part of the LGBT community would brand me a homophobe and full of hate based simply on knowledge that I believe the Bible says that God disapproves of homosexuality. Without getting to know me, I am judged to be hateful and predjudice. As a matter of fact I do believe homosexuality to be a sin, just as I believe drunkedness is, domestic violence is, drug abuse is, thievery is, adultry is, cheating on your income taxes is. The Bible says that if you are guilty of one point of the law you have violated the whole law. So to me, God doesn’t care if I am a drunk, an adulterer, a thief or a wifebeater. God cares that I have broken the law.

  • Rob

    Hmm, just noticed something. The sign the guy was carrying actually never says homosexuality, and I didn’t see anything on the street preacher’s clothing that was a direct attack on homosexuality itself. Still, there were those that felt the need to attack.

    • Americandream11

      Great observation! They hate, because they hate Jesus! They reject Jesus for their sin~ keeping their sin is more important to them! It is evil gnashing their teeth, when they attack!

  • jim

    No matter what anyone says homosexuality is wrong no matter who condones it or endorses it. It is the down f all of society and a detriment to families.

    • Greg Forschler

      No matter what anyone says, you are wrong. Religion is the downfall of humans.

      • Americandream11

        I fear for your eternal soul~ reject God now, he will reject you in the end…and it won’t be pretty~

        • Greg Forschler

          What god? Since when is believing in an invisible man in the sky a sign of intelligence? Since never, that’s when.

          • iaintnolibtard

            since when have you shown any sign of intelligence?…yep, since never, that’s when! how’s the twilight zone?

          • Greg Forschler

            Tell me what is intelligent about believing in an entity you cannot see or hear? You’ll pu$$y out and have no argument. You got nothing.

        • Greg Forschler

          If Jim can say something is wrong ‘no matter who says what’ then so can I. Why the bias?

      • Rob

        So, the sky is green and the grass is blue and your mind is made up no matter what anyone says. The difference is. One opinion is yours and the other is God’s.

      • Big_Jake

        Troll on Greg my boy, troll on.

        • Greg Forschler

          Do you have anything useful to say? I didn’t think so. Move along.

          • Big_Jake

            Greggy, You’re comments are the words of an intolerant, would be tyrant (if you actually wielded any power) and a pompous, disingenuous, ranting fool. I’d say summing up these, your “strong points”, although blatantly obvious, ARE quite useful. Even Nazi-esque, jackbooted bigots like you can’t shut everyone up. You wish to silence individuals simply for not agreeing with your bigotry. You ARE the very thing you rant against. What a simplistic and uneducated way of avoiding sensible discussion. But as we all know, tyrants (even posers like you) ALWAYS discourage discussion. May I suggest for your next tattoo, that you emblazon the words “useful idiot” or “Der Fuhrer” boldly across the front of your pointy little head. Maybe you can hide it behind your Hitler inspired comb over.

          • Greg Forschler

            I’m not wising to silence anyone. I’m encouraging discussion. But someone telling me to troll on is not part of that. Tell me how one chooses to be gay, can you choose it?

          • Big_Jake

            Since I never said it, you have no evidence of ME ever stating someone can choose to be gay. So rant at someone else about that. At least get the person you are ranting towards correct. However, (since you directed the conversation in this direction) there are mentally ill individuals (BOTH gay and straight) who DO make choices, and in making those choices they decide to molest and rape weaker human beings. They could care less how much physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual damage they inflict. I called you a troll because trolling is EXACTLY what you did by making unfounded, disingenuous and intentionally provoking blanket statements and accusations in previous comments. You have no ground to fault me for responding to YOUR previous comments as they are available for anyone to read and draw conclusions from. I am FULLY AWARE that there are those who did the same towards you. I fault them as well. I will NOT apologize for them because THEY said those things. I didn’t. I wish they hadn’t made the comments because they are worthless comments and hinder sensible discussion. They are just as foolish and ignorant sounding as the comments you made. They prematurely judge an entire group. But then, so did you. You rant about other’s intolerance. Where’s YOUR tolerance? Every comment I’ve made came from judgements stemming from the actions of individuals in the video and/or the idiotic comments posted. Every human being (you and I included) is accountable for their OWN actions and the hurtful things they say. Intellect and wisdom ARE NOT the same thing. Some of the most intellectually gifted people I know are “wisdom challenged”. A wise persons concern themselves with the positive results (for ALL mankind) that their intellectual gifts can and do provide. An intelligent individual not possessing wisdom cares only about his/herself personal agenda and what can be manipulated (using their intelligence) from others for personal profit/power. Trolling imparts zero wisdom. The wise are intellectually honest. I strive to be wise. I’m a fallible human being so I often fail. But I keep trying.

          • Greg Forschler

            Ok, then I’ll attack you for what you did say. You said my
            words are of an intolerant would be tyrant. Good call, I was being sarcastic by
            quoting what Jim said. Are you so effing stupid you could not see this.
            Apparently so. Then you say I wish to silence people, but all I did was ask you
            to say something other than calling me a troll, like if you understood my point
            about religion, you may have something to discuss about it, but you just resort
            to the troll accusation. I was just trying to encourage you to say something
            intelligent or shut up. You choice to did neither. Then you go on about Hitler, but this all
            complete nonsense, unrelated BS ranting that is not worth going into.

            Tell me what “unfounded, disingenuous and intentionally provoking blanket statements” I
            made. Religion has been the source inspiration for many bad things in the world, in addition to
            the bad things all humans do anyway. I stand by this statement and will gladly
            discuss it, if you dare, troll.

          • Big_Jake

            Greg, Your post only backs everything I said. You’re so busy blindly following an agenda that you ignore, or CHOSE to NOT recognize, the actions and words of those in the video you are so ineloquently defending. Those in the video who resorted to violence as well as the violence itself is what I’m concerned with. Not so much the anti-religious angle. There are many out there far better equipped than me to tackle that. By CHOOSING to defend others who appear hell bent on prohibiting free speech, free thinking, freedom of religion and the freedom to legally assemble/protest, YOU ARE taking the exact same tyrannical position as the Nazis in the early years of the Third Reich. Like it or not, YOU ARE. That was the (oh how did you put it, “complete nonsense”) reason for the Hitler/Nazi comparisons “Your “halo of self imagined enlightenment” is showing it’s untarnished brilliance if you honestly think religion starts wars. Wars are the absolute zenith of mankind’s inability to live with each other in harmony. PERIOD! All the gods/God ever conceived/perceived have been merely vehicles to easily explain/spin/justify violence by politicians, historians and those who conveniently CHOOSE to believe them for the sake of political expediency. “A source of inspiration” (your words) is accurate. (was that an example of “tolerance and capped ego” on my part?!?! How “enlightened” of me. Utter tripe!) But make NO mistake, it’s HUMAN BEINGS who instigate wars. And those in the video who CHOSE to move the situation caught on camera from the arena of ideas into physical violence are a fine example of “mankind’s inability to live with each other in harmony”. However, your “unrelated BS ranting that is not worth going into” comment was priceless. It makes it so easy to avoid exposing your limited ability to defend the ideas you CHOOSE to spout from behind your keyboard. I guess one could say, trolls are in the eyes and minds of the beholder. Eyes are being opened daily. Can you handle the disagreement? I welcome it. The soapbox is yours. Use it wisely. If you need, please refer to my previous comment/rant for clarification as to my views on wisdom while you reload. Bring it on.

          • Greg Forschler

            The preachers and the people hitting people in the video are all idiots. I doubf if they had a planned agenda of blocking free speech. They were probably drunk and felt provoked. Anywhre there’s a crowd there is a potential fight.
            But my post was to Jim, who vanished like a typical conservative pu##y, who was claiming “no matter what anyone says…” as if he possesed absolute knowledge. I was making fun of this obviously foolish statement. Then you came along and spewed a bunch of drivel not related to this at all. I am not chosing to silence anyone. I AM NOT. So the Nazi comparison is BS. Bye.

          • Big_Jake

            Yet, you defend those who DO try and silence opposition. Keep telling yourself you aren’t into silencing others. And the day will come when pigs fly.

          • Greg Forschler

            I have no defense for them at all. They were stupid. <—CAN YOU READ THIS, HELLO, IS THIS THING ON! This whole discussion has been a highjacking of my original post…and you call me the troll!

          • Big_Jake

            Calm down before you blow a headpipe.

      • Mike V

        Wow ..Are you for real or are you challenged ?

        • iaintnolibtard

          haha, everytime i see one of his comments…i notice that you got there about 30 minutes ahead of me…this time you said the same thing i was going to say…although, i might not have been as PC as you with your chosen word “challenged”

        • Greg Forschler

          What about this is wrong to you? Religion has killed has more death than gays ever will. Can you formulate any argument against this? Yes, that is a challenge. One that you cannot meet. You apes can only click ‘thumbs down’. Bring it on.

  • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

    Whatever the group were, the cowardice was most noticeable,they attacked the standard bearer like a pack of animals, then when the police appeared they tried to quickly evaporate. The police did well in quickly getting to the major cause of the fighting the fat man who had been throwing his stomach around throughout the incident, But gays in open places may be okay under Obama’s law but the law of decency for normal people is to keep your upsetting quirks to yourself. The world does not want to watch you.

  • Victoria Coots

    Notice how the one woman presents herself as an “innocent” bystander with a baby and stroller after this disgusting display of intolerance, lying through her teeth. She was one of the biggest offenders of obnoxious behavior.

  • guest233

    I keep thinking of the bible verse that warns us ‘don’t throw your pearls before swine’

  • KRW

    What words stick out here. Tami is a Christian, the “mom” of one Persian cat (Omar), a 2nd Amendment aficionado and NRA Certified, a grammar Nazi, the chief organizer and instigator of trouble among the Hugh Hewitt Tribbles, Editor In Chief of her site

  • Sam McGaughey

    And somehow this is not considered a hate crime… imagine if the attacker was a Christian. The press would lose their collective minds over how hateful those darn clingers are.

    • Rob

      I just found out the attackers were charged with misdemeanors. As you said, imagine if one of the ministers threw a punch? I’ll be writing my Congressman encouraging him to introduce a law that says it’s a hate crime to attack someone on the basis of their faith or belief in God.

      • Greg Forschler

        That would mean you can’t attack muslims either, or block their mosques from being built. Careful what you wish for.

        • Rob

          I don’t want to attack Muslims, and I don’t care where they build their mosques, so if it means that liberty and justice for all then I’d wish that any day of the week.

          • Greg Forschler

            Can you tell this to more of your tea party Christian friends? They don’t always seem to get it.

        • Mike V

          Will you zip the Fat Lip Already DUMMY !!

          • Greg Forschler

            Can you formulate an argument or statement worthy of comment? I didn’t think so. If you got something, say it, otherwise shut up.

          • Merle Dickey

            You debate senselessly like my 14 year old grandson

        • iaintnolibtard

          …and from out of left field we have this comment! you can’t possibly be this ignorant…can you?

      • Greg Forschler

        Or is it just going to be your religion that gets speical treatment?

        • Rob

          No, I’m for real equality. Not the liberal media kind that looks at one side of the argument.

        • Mike V

          Another Idiotic comment from Greg Folks !!

          • Greg Forschler

            Another troll comment from Mike V with no substance to it.

        • iaintnolibtard

          you make absolutely no sense in your comments…you’re the only one that seems to miss the point. nevermind that one side was gay and one side was religious. look what happened and think about this…the group that chose to get in his face and the ‘attack’ the innocent guy holding the sign is the same group that expects “tolerance” of everyone else toward them…any rational person should see the hypocrisy in that!

          • Greg Forschler

            Everyone wants to be tolerated, but fights break out everywhere, why don’t you point those out? How about the times gays have been killed by attackers, why aren’t you concerned about that? So an idiot attacked another idiot, so what? Using it to try and condemn an entire group is something only a fool would be capable of doing.

  • giffys4

    The lady with the stroller was in the fray for most of the video. Who was watching her child(ren) while she was mixing it up? I hope her children weren’t watching her terrible behavior. The homosexual community is not looking for tolerance or acceptance of their lifestyle. They only want us to AGREE with their lifestyle. That will never happen for me! I can love the sinner, but I will never agree with, accept, or even tolerate the sin of homosexuality!

    • Merle Dickey

      Your too nice

  • pamdix

    What hypocrisy! These people of the “do it if it feels good” generation are not interested in Christ. They already know and don’t care. Wipe their dust from your feet.

    • Greg Forschler

      But when there is a fight at a football game, no one cares.

      • iaintnolibtard

        what are you smoking…did you not watch the video????

        • Greg Forschler

          Yes, some idiot attacked another idiot. Who cares?

      • kinnison

        Actually Greg, yes I would. Ignorance and intolerance are not illegal, verbal and physical assault are. Your gay pride is fine, just accord the same right to an opinion and free speech to others, whether you agree with them or not. It is not cool to hit people!

        • Greg Forschler

          Well then I can agree with you on that. I just think the gay crowd is a big crowd of people like any other, full of good bad and ugly. No reason to expect otherwise.

    • Big_Jake

      I’m thankful Christ didn’t “wipe the dust from His feet” with me. I know I deserved it.

  • abirgen

    As someone who lives pretty close to Seattle I am very disturbed & disgusted with what has been going on. Just recently my husband & I took a day trip up there for our anniversary after a few years of not going up there & I sure don’t miss it. So many lost people

    • Greg Forschler

      And us city folk don’t miss you either. Bye bye now. Keep your bibles and your ignorance out in the ‘burbs.

      • Americandream11

        I don’t believe it is ‘ignorance’, but knowledge and truth! Truth hurts some people, but they are no less truths!

        • Greg Forschler

          Please explain how someone can choose their sexuality, and how choosing it makes it unnatural. Sexuality in itself is natural, no matter how you shake a stick at it. The problem with religion is that it makes assumptions and then tried to match it with what we find in reality. We should first looks at nature and reality and work with what we got, that would get us closer to the truth.

          • iaintnolibtard

            the correct term is “sexual preference”, not sexuality…and who said anything about that that you should make this comment? nobody, that’s who…evil, hypocrite, fools attacked an innocent guy….get it?

          • Greg Forschler

            OK, how can one choose their sexual preference? How does a straight person ‘decide’ to be gay?
            But why THIS fight being pointed out here among all you homophobes and not all the fights that break out among humans? You people are using it to try and condemn an entire group of people based on this. Do I even have to explain to you why this is not accurate?

          • iaintnolibtard

            don’t tell me i’m “using it to try and condemn an entire group of people based on this”…i am just calling them out on their hypocrisy. it is what it is…can’t change the truth

          • Greg Forschler

            And no one else here is doing that?

          • Mike V

            Very simple. Think back to your first Gay experience and your thoughts, at that point you chose to be Gay !! Please don’t try to explain away the truth !!! you mind is closed and you believe what you believe but I am telling you are wrong .Perverts have sky rocketed since internet porn…Are you going to tell me that’s not an addiction either?? The facts are the facts. Were they born perverts?? The answer is no Gary !!! If you dwell on a vise it will become an addiction just like being the Gay Boy That you are.. and no I’m not a homophobe I don’t hate Gays But I know they all made a choice !!

          • Greg Forschler

            I’ve never had this experience so I would not know. But those I know who have never chose it, it was just how they always felt every since they got to that age. I always find it funny that the only people who think it’s a choice are people who never chose it and would not claim to be able to choose it themselves. Or are you going to claim you yourself could choose it? Please explain.

          • Poser, the

            And with this statement, you assume that what we refer to as sin has nothing to do with human nature. If sin were purely a choice then there would actually be a lot of people who wouldn’t do it. That not being reality, sin goes hand-in-hand with human nature. Or so it is argued, but as long as we are pointing out assumptions I had to point that little bit out.

          • soljerblue

            If being a slave to your gonads — or lack of them — is your idea of the highest end of life, you really have no brief to condemn others who disagree.

          • Greg Forschler

            Can you formulate a valid argument? I didn’t think so. Try as you might, you are simply destined to fail at this. Sorry for your loss.

          • MKrokus

            Please point out where this man’s sign says anything about homosexuality.

          • Greg Forschler

            It’s obvious that a person like that would be there exactly because he disagrees with homosexuals and thinks they are sinners. If you don’t get this you are beyond help. Crawl back under your rock and pretend to be naïve.

          • stratman51

            Religious beliefs aside, homosexuality is a uniqely human error. At the risk of sounding clinical, the desire and capability to perform sexual intercourse is to assure the continuation of a species by reproduction. It’s only humans that confuse the issue with selfish hedonistic practices. Same-sex unions cannot produce offspring – evidence that Nature seldom makes mistakes; natural selection at work.
            It is humans that “bypass” the natural scheme of things and conceive by in-vitro means or adopt perhaps to justify their own existence. In any case, the fact is that homosexuality is definitely not something one is born with; if it were, why do some people turn out to be gay later in life?
            You’re not born gay any more than a person is born to be a killer. It’s a conscious choice; one that is contrary to the laws of physiology.

          • Greg Forschler

            “Religious
            beliefs aside, homosexuality is a uniqely human error” –except that it has been
            observed in other animals.FAIL.

            Sexual
            intercourse DOES assure the continuation, this is true. Oral sex and infertile
            couples do not. Yet you don’t fight against these things. And you are not even
            capable of seeing the hypocrisy of this. If you were, you would not have even mentioned
            it.

            There
            is no such thing as a ‘mistake’ outside of our own human-centric viewpoint.
            Nature produces viruses and poison ivy. These are not right or wrong or good
            are bad, they just are. It’s our perspective that makes them right or wrong.
            Nature produces infertile people and millions of sperm that die with no change
            or creating a zygote, and many fertilized eggs die very quickly. This is
            neither right or wrong. It just is.

            Law
            of physiology? You mean there are physiology cops? Or do you mean it is not
            possible? But it is possible, because people do it. FAIL.

            You
            tell me, how does one ‘become’ gay at any time in life? One would have to have
            the desire and, if male, would have to…you
            know, really be into to make it work. This is physiology, you can’t just decide
            to make it work any more than one could decide to be able to digest a stone. If
            you can choose to make your body do that, then that would still be
            something your body is capable of doing,
            no way around it. Please explain, if you can.

          • stratman51

            You are describing a small minority in all of your points.
            It’s true that there is homosexuality in other species, but their numbers are quite insignicantly the exception. -FAIL
            There are certainly exceptions in almost every facet of life. On natural mistakes you missed the point that, even though there are infertility problems, no gay couple has EVER reproduced through intercourse. -FAIL
            There is no proof homosexuality is physiologically-based – FAIL
            Sexual intercourse/ oral sex- what do you think hedonistic means? -FAIL
            On becoming gay later – I’ve known several m/f couples (my own sister and her ex-husband included) that have raised children to adulthood and began practicing homosexuality after the kids were grown and gone. -FAIL

          • Greg Forschler

            Yes homosexuals make up a small percentage of a species, so what? No failure there.
            So what if homosexuals do not reproduce? So humans are capable of engaging in sexual act that result in reproduction. And humans are capable of engaging in sexual acts that do not result in reproduction. So what? How is this basis for human rights?
            From Wikipedia – The brain regulates the release of hormones which are believed to be the physiological origin of sexual desire. Sorry for your loss.
            Yes, kissing is hedonistic, so what? So your sister was bi all along, or maybe it does change, so what? Explain to me how you could choose to be gay, since you are claiming that you can. My guess, and please try and prove me wrong, is that everyone here will claim that being gay is a choice, yet not a single person here will claim that they could choose it.

          • stratman51

            Have it your way – no failure, except you are referring to unusual generalities whereas I am speaking to specific factual truths. I was referring to the unnatural act of homosexual SEX, – don’t try to play homo-sex off as casual kissing – you know full well what I meant by hedonistic. My sister, IF she’s been “bi” all of her life, she certainly hid it well from all of us. She didn’t even have many female friends when she was young, in fact her best childhood female friend ironically became my wife of 39 years. Bi? Don’t think so. People change their outlook, philosophies, likes and dislikes naturally as they mature and live more of life. What’s the difference when it comes to sexual preference? My observation has been that many gays are simply seeking justification by claiming that they were ‘born gay’.

          • Jackie

            Factual truths can’t come from the bible, sorry stratman. It’s not unnatural, it’s different from what you were raised to believe is natural. Observations are not scientific facts, yet you insist yours are. Being straight also does not make you normal.

          • stratman51

            “Factual truths can’t come from the bible…”
            When did I mention the Bible?

            “Observations are not scientific facts, yet you insist yours are.”
            Wrong again – I simply stated they were my observations.

            “Being straight also does not make you normal.”
            You’re are absolutely right there. I know plenty of abnormal straights. But…being gay is most certainly not normal.
            normal: adjective : according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle ( but LGBT is trying to redefine that.)

          • Greg Forschler

            “Norm” is a relative word, it’s pretty much useless as far as human rights goes.

          • Greg Forschler

            “you are referring to unusual generalities whereas I am speaking to specific factual truths” What the hell are you talking about?? Some people and some animals are gay. What do you mean by generalities vs. specifics?
            If people can choose it, what does it mean to say it is ‘unnatural’? If you could choose to be left handed, would that be natural or unnatural? Is the ability to choose it unnatural? Is being left handed unnatural? The church used to think it was sign of the devil. Great place to get your morals from.
            So she hid it, or she changed. Whatever. It still doesn’t matter. Are you telling me you could choose it? I could not. I find the idea revolting. Exactly because I am straight. But I’m also right handed and hate olives. That doesn’t mean someone else can’t feel otherwise. I can understand the pride parades etc when they feel like they are group not treated fairly by a vast majority of people, none of whom have any valid argument against them, just idiot bible quotes.
            So you are saying you could choose it right? Please explain how you would do this. No one has ever been able to answer this in any remotely satisfactory way. I want to see you try. It will give me a laugh. If you have the desire to even think of choosing it, then guess what…you’re already gay. If you don’t, then you can’t make yourself desire it….unless you can somehow…in which case that means you’re gay. You just can’t get around it. It is more than an action.

          • Greg Forschler

            And again, all someone can seem to do is click ‘thumbs down’ like a stupid ape, no valid arguements in this crowd, it speaks for itself.

          • Jackie

            Turn out to be gay later in life? They actually begin to accept they are gay. There is no “conscious choice.”

            Secondly, approximately 1,500 species of animals practice homosexual behavior. The only “human error” here is your inability to actually research the garbage that spews from your mouth.

            Also–”perhaps to justify their own existence”? One does not need to reproduce to justify his or her existence. You just attempted to discredit the lives of thousands of individuals who either died young, couldn’t reproduce, or chose not to add to our overpopulation problem.

            Learn your facts before you post them.

          • Merle Dickey

            Facts Smacks . It is still disgusting and revolting to even be in the same room with you. I was hoping most of you would stay in California instead of spreading yourselves all over the country.At least you take over only a portion of the cities and post your gay and lesbian filth all over .Leave some clean air for our children so they don’t have to witness your behavior.As for animals that engage in such behavior they are few and far between and My father shot a dog because it acted like you creeps.

          • Jackie

            It’s funny that you mention the welfare of children here when you comment that your daddy was trigger happy. That’s not disgusting and revolting? I bet he also told you it’s okay to disregard facts. No wonder why you turned out so close minded.

          • Merle Dickey

            One it was 46 years ago he shot the dog. And he’s been dead for 30. And I didn’t say he was trigger happy. You folks that live in the big city think that any one who has a gun is nuts Etc. So I doubt my “narrow mindedness came from him. These people weren’t as visible as they are today . But I really didn’t pay too much attention till abut 25 years ago when they were doing everything except having sex on the side walk . As for my being closed mind, You can call me anything you want , a bigot ,i don’t care. They are disgusting and I hate to see children exposed to this sickness. Most of them have numerous sexual partners . I can say anything else I am open minded to whites ,blacks, asians what ever The only religion that I have a problem with is muslim ,if you read their Koran you would know why.But I don’t have much contact where I would run into many of them.But now that they (back to the sickos) have “rights ” they are already smearing their filth and diseased bodies under every ones noses.And i don’t see why folks can’t do things away from their homes without having to socialize with them . And yes ,you do because there doesn’t seem to be anywhere that you don’t run into a few.And i am not disregarding facts when I have seen them in action. If you want to pal around with them go right ahead if that’s your mentality.

          • Jackie

            I’m not from the “big city,” nor do I think gun owners are nuts. However, shooting a dog for “acting like ‘you’ creeps,” is a heinous crime. That’s “trigger happy”–killing something because it makes sense to you at the time without any further thought.

            You state you were not raised in an area where Muslims are, which probably explains why you have a problem with them. You generalize a lot–about me, about anyone who is different from you. It’s human nature to generalize–it makes sense to protect ourselves from the unknown. However, the more educated our society becomes, the more we are working against these generalizations. We are deconstructing the “us” versus “them” mentality. It’s nice to see that you merely tolerate non-Christian or non-whites, but perhaps one day you’ll realize there are plenty of decent human beings from all races, religions and sexual orientations. To quote Chimamanda Adichie–”the problem with stereotypes is not that they are untrue, it’s that they are incomplete.”

          • Jamie Lewis

            faggot, he should have shot you instead of the dog, would make me happy happy

          • Jackson_Howard

            so you would shoot someone for voicing their opinion? Is that what you’re saying? And you would be happy about it?

            It’s nice to know that your backwards attitude is slowly dying out, as your homophobic fears pass on.

            How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history, again.

            You are the one that should not be allowed to have a firearm.

          • Guest

            Speaking of facts. If we put the entire homosexual community on an island, and they stay true to their preferences, tell me (factually) what will become of them?

          • Bighoss

            That stuff about 1,500 animals is bogus. The activity you refer to is not sex, but dominance. Animals commonly practice incest, fathers with daughters and mothers with sons and brothers with sisters. Does that make it okay for humans? We are HUMANS, not animals!

          • Beentheredonethatb4

            See my post above from a few minutes ago. It is a choice.

            How many of the 1,500 species you claim are HIGHER life forms like mammals and not bacteria, protozoa, worms, jellyfish and rare sea creatures, or hermaphrodites? Name just few hundred for me.
            Sorry, existence was a poor choice of words. I meant justify their own GAY lifestyle and alleviate their doubts and guilt. This clarification negates your claim that I discredit those others.
            Whatever twisting of an opposing viewpoint works for ya’.
            Garbage taken to the curb.

          • Jamie Lewis

            well spoken, Thanks

          • Greg Forschler

            Now why would you say a thing like this-
            “hope you choke on a nig’r dikk and or die of AIDS, or both if that’s possible”
            I thought this was a groupe of nice intelligent Christian folk? Was I wrong?

          • johnsmith500

            He is not a Christian. Most likely a Liberal troll who claims to be a Christian. Or is that too hard to detect?
            Read his posts. Full of anger and hate. A typical MO of an angry Liberal/atheist,

          • Bighoss

            And anatomy! For obvious reasons to any sane and normal person.

          • Beentheredonethatb4

            Funnt how easy it is to get on the ‘last nerve’ of most homosexuals. Only someone so unsure of their position fights back with such vigor. Same with obama liberals…I mentioned to my older sister that I thought her 2012 Obama sticker on her front door was great sarcasm – she launched into a hissy-fit tirade about how I must be one of those “conservative misinformed ‘Faux News’ junkies, and refused to discuss politics any further, ever again. It was great!

          • Jackson_Howard

            so, at what age did you make your choice? If being gay or straight is a choice, when do you make yours?

            You know, when did you say, hmmm, should I go out with men or should I go out with women? Remember it’s a choice.

            How confident are you in your sexuality? You all seem to think that you’re only straight because you never met any gay people early in life, and therefore, they couldn’t get you catch “the gay”. Isn’t that right?

            How many gay people do you know? I mean really know, where you could actually talk to them about their sexuality? If you did know any gays you wouldn’t be making your “conscious choice” statement.

            my aunt and uncle were straight. They could not conceive children. They were allowed to get married. They were allowed to have sex, anyway they wanted. No one questioned them. They couldn’t have children? Nobody questioned them.

          • Carolyn Rollins

            Being straight is not a choice. Being gay is.

          • Beentheredonethatb4

            Glad YOU said that. My observation exactly. I was ready to “fire a shot across Jackson_Howard’s bow”. My younger sister IS gay, grew up straight, married, had kids (now grown up) and left her husband of 20+ years for her girlfriend. Other freaks have told me that she was just “hiding” her gayness for years! Ha. I’ve talked at great lenghts with her about her choice…yes, I said HER CHOICE. As SHE herself described it, it was HER CHOICE at age 45!
            I generally don’t open my mouth without knowing what I’m talking about.

          • Greg Forschler

            So you are saying you could choose it? How would you do this?

          • Beentheredonethatb4

            See my post two posts down. ’nuff said.

          • czynik

            Judging by the precipitous drop in the white liberal birth rate they are not in the bedroom to procreate. I would guess that 99% of the time and maybe even more than that the purpose of intercourse is pleasure and in the gay community obviously it is 100% of the time since they don’t expect it to produce children anyway.

            Nobody is confused about procreation.

          • Uomo Senzanome

            Homosexuality is NOT “uniquely human.” A small percentage of animals in many other species have been observed to be partly or EXCLUSIVELY sexually attracted to their own sex. That strongly suggests that the “error” is a matter of brain structure and anomalous physiology directing the organism in an atypical fashion, NOT “hedonism” (which IS uniquely human, I suppose).

          • Beentheredonethatb4

            The several gays and gay sympathizers that I’ve had this same discussion with all bring up the “small percentage” of other species also act in homosexual ways. Of course. Almost nothing is true or false across the board…there are exceptions to almost every facet of life. By “uniquely human” I meant that homosexuality is not the norm (although the gays would have us all believe that there is nothing unusual about it) I have no axe to grind with the gay lifestyle…what you do in private is nobody’s business and I could NOT care less. My younger sister informed the family 10 years ago that she is now a lesbian (after 25 years of marriage to a MAN and the raising of two kids.) and I still love her. I would never hold her decision against her. I simply meant to state the obvious – that homosexual sex CANNOT produce offspring because nature does not NORMALLY allow organisms to reproduce unnaturally or in a fashion that would produce defective offspring. There are exceptions to this, also; most bacteria and lower life forms like worms and some plants can and do reproduce asexually simply due to their low level of intelligence and capabilities. Worms would have a hard time finding mates of the opposite sex, therefore there is no opposite sex in many species of worms. That is not true for humans, the undisputed highest life form on Earth. The idea that a small percentage of many other species exhibit same sex attraction still does not allow for reproduction. Reproduction is the one and only PURPOSE of sex. Higher animals have made sex into a pleasurable pastime with no intention to reproduce. The gay assertion that humans are not unique in their sexual preference just cannot be justified by any amount of empirical evidence, despite what they would like us to believe. Sorry.

          • johnsmith500

            If it was natural, can you continue life and have children from gay or lesbian sex?
            No?Then your question answered.
            Of course you will respond with insults, but that’s expected.

          • Greg Forschler

            Natural or not, people do it, and yet most people are heterosexual so the species does continue to have children. Your question makes no sense. You can’t have children from infertile couples, oral sex, choosing not to have sex, not having a partner, or using birth control, so are those things unnatural and bad? Please explain.
            Humans are capable of engaging in acts that result in procreation and capable of engaging in acts that do not result in procreation. So what?

          • johnsmith500

            “Natural or not”? You were the one who said it is natural, remember?
            So if some couples are unable to have children, then it is OK to engage in perversion?By that flawed logic, it is OK for someone to rape since he/she can’t have consensual sex with a partner. And by that flawed logic, it is OK for someone to kill for sport when they are bored and can’t have fun. What kind of argument is this?
            What happens between heterosexual couples, is their business, the original design of sex is to have children, and if couples enjoy themselves while doing so, absolutely nothing wrong with that. What’s the point of gay/lesbian so-called marriage?They can’t have children naturally, and have to bring in at least one third person, so now adultery is sanctioned and supported, and cheating is OK as long as both of them allow it. To hell with values and all that fake morals gays and lesbians claim to have.
            So in summary, pointless, and immoral. But hey, as long as it gets more voters for a certain party, then the propaganda machine is working and the so-called “equality” mob continues to bully families and people who stand for values, smearing them and dragging society down to path of complete destruction. Birth rates are going down and you and your likes think this is good. Ahh, all these facts will certainly be dismissed and I am already wasting my time.

          • Greg Forschler

            And you questioned how it could be natural by arguing that it does not result in offspring. So you are making the natural/not natural argument.
            What do you mean by perversion? Sexual acts that do not result in kids? Like kissing and touching?
            It is not ok to rape because there is a victim in that case. Please tell that to the church.
            “Design”? Prove that there is a “design” or “designer”.
            The point of gay/lesbian couples is that they love each other and want to spend/share their lives together like hetero couples. They don’t have to have kids by any method.
            Morals that oppress others are crappy morals.
            Birth rates going down are good, the planet is over populated as it is, but this has nothing to do with gays who have been around the whole time anyway.
            Indeed you are wasting your time because you have not presented any real facts or anything that makes any sense.

          • johnsmith500

            Dude, try to keep up with your own arguments. YOU said homosexuality is natural and I showed you facts that prove it is not. Now you are asking why this is a argument? Are you lost already?

            Now, where to start with the flood of complete ignorance that you just posed? Let’s see if this is going somewhere and I am not wasting my time as usual with some deranged self righteous atheist which will end up in calling me names.

            This following quote, shows exactly what we are dealing with today. Your likes of the self installed “I know it all” but have 0 clue and are facts impaired.

            “What do you mean by perversion? Sexual acts that do not result in kids? Like kissing and touching?”

            Is that your definition of perversion?Is it too hard to grab a book, or even look it up online?
            No perversion is a sexual act that is NOT natural.

            Here, let me help.

            per·ver·sion
            /pərˈvərZHən/
            Noun

            The alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.
            Sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable.

            Get it now? If homosexuality was natural, then why isn’t everyone, or at least the majority homosexuals?
            It is a perversion. get that through whatever is clouding your judgement, and stop being an apologist for perversion.

            Next you accuse “the church” to sponsoring rape. So if couple of even dozens of perverts and sick people abused children while being in church then the whole church is corrupt and sponsors rape?Then by that definition, given the above video, all the LGBT people are nothing but rapists, thugs and violent people. How are those egg on your face for such lame argument?(That is not a personal attack, before you start playing the victim, that is calling out your lame argument)

            Yes design. There is an intelligent design and it is around you. You just have to take off your atheist/liberal denial glasses and use brain instead of propaganda. Unless you believe the so-called theory that somehow a life form appeared on the earth out of nowhere and no one can explain where and how it appeared, and suddenly decided to “evolve” into what you are today, and a particle that no one knows where it came from and how it even existed, sitting there, and magically, out of nowhere decided to explode placing everything in a perfect shape.
            Yeah, if you believe in the snake oil and the junk science that is thrown your way today, no wonder you question if there is an intelligent design.

            But then again, atheists/liberals are willing to argue facts and common sense, all that to achieve what they want, their way.

            I don’t care if LGBT couples say they love each other, that’s not the point and no one is interested in that. Child molesters also claim they loved the children they molested. Polygamists also claim they love their “wives”, …etc. The point is, we also don’t care if they live together or not, we OPPOSE re-defining marriage because some pervert got offended and wants to bend the laws, rules, morals, and even common sense to serve their agenda. You can be a gay/lesbian, that’s your business. We ask you to:

            1. Keep it to yourself. In your private home.
            2. Stop asking us to fund your perversion.
            3. Stop telling us that we are “bigots” for sticking to our faith and values.
            4. Stop poisoning our children with your agenda and propaganda.

            “Morals that oppress others are crappy morals.”

            Playing the victim again?Yep, you are an atheist/liberal alright. Forever stuck in the “I am a victim” mentality and base all your actions on that. No wonder you can’t get along with common sense and logic.

            No, no one is “oppressing” LGBT. In fact it is quite the opposite, or did you already forget what article you are posting your comment on?
            When did you see a priest attacking LGBT? When you did you see a “Christian rally” where attendees attack peaceful bystanders holding “LGBT is peaceful” signs?
            You don’t and you can’t even bring a single instance like that, other than what lies your local LGBT propaganda machine can put together of imaginary attacks on them.

            Anything else to shoot down in your flood of comments that are disconnected with reality?

            Oh yeah, this one:”Birth rates going down are good, the planet is over populated as it is,”

            Really? According to whom? Which scientific (not junk science, real science) research says that?Other than the Democratic party/Planned Parenthood propaganda machine?Really?
            Are you aware that the population per actual “liveable” square miles is way low? In fact the whole world would fit comfortable in the USA (minus the deserts) and still live comfortably if all the resources were utilized.
            But then again, you atheists/liberals/LGBT always had problems with real facts and real science.

            “Indeed you are wasting your time ”

            Yeah, I knew that all along, but thanks for confirming your inability to grasp basic facts or use common sense.

            “because you have not presented any real facts or anything that makes any sense.”

            LOL. This comes from someone who can’t use common sense, failed to understand/use basic scientific facts, and is disconnected from reality.

            Entertaining though, so far, at east you are not throwing random insults. I have to give you that.

          • Greg Forschler

            The definition of natural is not based on producing children
            or not. There are a million things that don’t result in pregnancy – sleeping, kissing, holding hands, reading a book. So what?

            “The alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended. Sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable.”

            This is a subjective definition that anyone could interpret however they wanted. It means nothing.

            “Get it now? If homosexuality was natural, then why isn’t everyone, or at least the majority homosexuals?”

            You could just as easily ask “if left-handedness is natural then how come the majority are not left handed?” It’s a
            silly question. What does the majority have to do with anything?

            I’m just pointing out that the church tried to hide the abuse and didn’t do enough to call out these people in a
            responsible way. Not saying they are alone, just saying that while they claim to have the higher moral ground, they fail as much as any other group.

            You are the one who claims life and everything appeared out of nothing and has no explanation as to how (just
            saying god did it does not even begin to explain how).

            Priests ‘attack’ the gay crowd all the time with the preaching against it. Still, all the people in this video are dumb, I’m
            glad they got arrested. I just see that this video is being used to try and condemn all of them, and I see no reason to not treat them the same as everyone else, there has never been a good reason to put them down.

            The Earth has finite resources and we are using them up at an alarming rate. Google it.

          • johnsmith500

            *yawn*
            You said something?
            Oh yeah “I am an expert because I can google stuff”
            Dude, wake up.
            You have 0 understanding to what you are advocating for or against, and pretty much clueless about basic science and faith/morals and other facts, and that is saying it nicely.
            Yeah, some corrupt church officials are human and they make mistakes what a startling and breakthrough discovery you just make. So let’s round all the members of the clergy and hang them in public squares.
            Can we use that policy to deal with LGBT since some of the in this same video attacked others and you and your likes are now trying to justify/make exuses/hide it?How about we round all the LGBT people up and throw them in prison just because some of them did this?Or it goes one way only for you?
            You condemn all the church for the actions of the few, yet you whine about some conspiracy theory against all LGBT because of this video. Typical hypocrisy from LGBT/Liberals and their supporters.

          • Greg Forschler

            “Or it goes one way only for you?”
            No, I was just pointing out that should go both ways for everyone.

          • johnsmith500

            You singled out the church while trying to defend and make excuses for Lesbian and gays. It seems that it works only one way for you.

          • Greg Forschler

            I was just pointing out that people in all groups end up failing. You keep missing this point, as expected.

          • johnsmith500

            Really? Is that what you were pointing out to?Doesn’t look like that to me, or to anyone reading it without your usual hate glasses.
            You immediately brought the church in response to children being abused and hurt. If you had said “that happens everywhere, including some churches” I would have had no problem with it, but it seems that you continue to dance and try to change what you said, after getting caught and called out for your obvious bigotry.
            Now tell me again what point I missed..,

          • Greg Forschler

            You mentioned rape, I pointed out that rape happens in the church, and church officials try to hide to hide, just a reminder that it happens everywhere, even among those who claim to be close to God.

          • johnsmith500

            I didn’t mention rape. It was already mentioned. I expanded on that point. Try to keep up with discussions, son.

            “I pointed out that rape happens in the church, and church officials try to hide to hide”

            That was your IMMEDIATE reaction and the ONLY example, showing:
            1. Bias, and in fact prejudice.
            2. Ignorance and shows you are lying. As you assert it always happens, and all churches and always being kept under wraps.
            All false assumptions, and in fact down right lies.

            *some* churches had this problem, and isolated ones too. *some* church officials tried to cover it.
            Not to mention that this happened only in the Catholic church and in few areas due to the policy of priests and clergy men cannot marry and other factors. NOTHING like this happened in the Orthodox, Apostolic, and other churches including thousands of Protestant churches.

            Do you even know how much Catholic church represents among Christian churches?
            Of course not, you are an ignorant atheist/liberal who just picks up a headline in the news from the corrupt msm and uses them for his weak, fact-less, ground-less argument.

            If you had said “for example” or “happened” I would have had no problem with your example, but when you put it in that way, that showed your prejudice and lame arguments like that warranted putting you in your place.

          • Greg Forschler

            Here is your quote from two days ago -
            “By that flawed logic, it is OK for someone to rape since he/she can’t have consensual sex with a partner.”

            And just now – “I didn’t mention rape. It was already mentioned.”
            Show me where I mentioned it first. You are contradicting yourself. Claiming you didn’t mention somethign the effing quote is right there, just scroll up dude, read what you posted!! Jesus Effing christ on a crucifix. I’ve talked with conservative idiots online plenty, but you take the ffing cake, you are the dumbest of the dumb, hands down.

          • johnsmith500

            You are just pathetic. Are you really THIS desperate?You must be.

            I mean going 2 days back to take something I said completely out of context and inserting it here in a different topic shows how stupid and desperate you are, not to mention foul mouthed and insane.
            Leave Christ out of this. You don’t even beleive in him, how dare you even mention his name?Just how stupid you are? You think you can win arguments by throwing insults and masked vulgarity?Yeah, you are the one to rate Conservatives, a dum@ss like yourself. A worthless POS Liberal/atheist who has yet to contribute anything to this topic. I doubt that you have contributed anything to humanity either.
            I tried summarizing this for you, but it seems even that small , concize summary in plain English went completely over your head.
            A clown like yourself, can throw all the inults post all the vulgarities in the world yet cannot hide his stupidity and low IQ. Insults from you are actually amusing to read. Your anger shows you lost the argument. Now do yourself a favor, cut your losses and take a hike. You are a worthless loud mouthed jack@ss and a punk, no one would even miss you.

          • Greg Forschler

            You claimed you never mentioned rape, and I showed that you had. This makes you a liar, and sinner at that. Jeesus effing christ.

          • johnsmith500

            Keep posting masked profanities loser. I didn’t mention rape in THAT context. Learn how to read in context you idiot. You lost the argument and can’t get over it. Now desperately trying to score a point. What a loser you are.

          • Greg Forschler

            You said “So
            if some couples are unable to have children, then it is OK to engage in
            perversion?By that flawed logic, it is OK for someone to rape since he/she
            can’t have consensual sex with a partner.”
            My response was no, rape would not be ok because there is a victim in that case. There is no victim with consenting adults doing what they want. You never had a counter argument to this. This argument is old and lame, making me think you must be old and lame as well.

          • johnsmith500

            Now you are back to arguing about something that you claimed was off topic and should have not been brought into discussion while it was an example and in context (which you suddenly now seem to agree on)?

            Are you this desperate (yeah, I know it is way too obvious, but I thought that I just ask again)?

            Yes, homosexuality destroys lives, families, divides society and produces nothing good. Yes it does hurt people, and nothing good/useful comes out of it. You want to use the “consensual” lame argument?Polygamists, people who commit incest, and pedophiles all use the same excuse. No wonder you do too.

          • Greg Forschler

            “homosexuality destroys lives, families, divides society and produces nothing good.”
            How do they do this any more or less than heterosexuals do?

          • johnsmith500

            You are asking?That means you don’t know. Then why are you arguing about things that you don’t know?Not to mention insulting people who answer your stupid questions too.

            Heterosexuals when they sin, they destroy lives too, who said otherwise? Adultery, rape, incest, …etc all are sins and perversions and so is homosexuality. Why you fail to understand this simple concept is just a mystery.
            But you and your like would like to classify some as rape and sin and frown selectively on them while others are OK for you because of some idiot who is a homosexual said so, and because of some idiot and corrupt politician wants those votes and donations from them.

          • Greg Forschler

            “You are asking?That means you don’t know. Then why are you arguing about things that you don’t know?” Damn you are stupid, effing moron. You are making a claim and I am asking you to explain it since you didn’t provide any proof of this. Of course I “don’t know” what the hell your stupid claim is about. You are impossible. Are you just trying to make that side look bad?
            I would not be selective in my judgement of rape. That’s bad no matter who does it. Stop lying.

          • johnsmith500

            That’s right, when you get caught and called out for being stupid, respond with insults. Sucks to be you. You are not only morally bankrupt, you are also too stupid to see how stupid you are when you think you can actually win an argument or score a point by responding to FACTS and VALID OBSERVATIONS with insults.
            And when that failed to make you feel better, you resorted to the old boring tactic, accusing me of lying. Everything I said is right there, you loud, stupid, foul mouthed jack@ss. Go read what I said instead of trying to put words in my mouth and failing like the idiot that you have always been.

          • Greg Forschler

            You have posted no facts or valid observations.

            Science is not ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’, where the f’ck do you get that from???

            You said “homosexuality destroys lives, families, divides society and produces nothing good.” I asked you how this happens and you come back with claiming that I’m stupid and ignorant for not knowing, but that’s becasue it is not true. And the one example you finally give is total BS, just an example of saying they are bad because “I don’t like them”, and you don’t like them because they are bad….and they’re bad because you don’t like them. Boo effing hoo. Put on your big boy pants and deal with it.The funniest and most telling part is that you can’t even understand why this is not a valid argument, you think just because you don’t like something, that is a good enough reason to say it’s evil.

            I will no longer talk with someone who has an imaginary invisible friend in the sky. You should see a doctor about that.

          • johnsmith500

            “You have posted no facts or valid observations.”
            I did, but they require basic reading comprehension, common sense and familiarity of basic definitions and facts. All proven non existent in your world.

            “Science is not ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’, where the f’ck do you get that from???”

            Another juvenile, profanity laced outburst. Can you show me where did I say that? I never said anything even remotely close to this. Please stop lying and posting profanity when you lose an argument YOU started.

            “You said “homosexuality destroys lives, families, divides society and produces nothing good.” ”

            It does, and I stand by every word I said.

            “I asked you how this happens and you come back with claiming that I’m stupid and ignorant for not knowing, but that’s becasue it is not true.”

            No jack@ss. I have proven that, posted you real world examples, and you even dismissed them, remember? Your short memory span is no one’s fault. You were too stupid to read responses to your pathetically stupid questions.

            “And the one example you finally give is total BS, just an example of saying they are bad because “I don’t like them”,and you don’t like them because they are bad….and they’re bad because you don’t like them.”

            Ahhh, now you remember that I responded, but you remember one example, while I gave you several. Still too stupid to read it. It was not because “I didn’t like them” jack@ss, it was because there were families destroyed and divided.

            “Boo effing hoo”

            Another juvenile, profanity laced outburst.

            Your stupid parents must be proud.

            They failed in raising you. You are just an angry foul mouthed nasty jack@ss.

            “Put on your big boy pants and deal with it.”
            This is rich coming from someone who could not handle being told that he was wrong and we don’t and will never agree on homosexuality being something normal, good or natural.

            But I guess stupidity is a way of life for you.

            “The funniest and most telling part is that you can’t even understand why this is not a valid argument, you think just because you don’t like something, that is a good enough reason to say it’s evil.”

            This comes from the same idiot who doesn’t like Christianity and Christians just because he doesn’t like that.

            Does hypocrisy run in your blood?It must be.

            No, jack@ss. Homosexuality is evil. Serves no purpose other than satisfying perversion and going after nasty lust.

            It is immoral, destroys families and divides society, and not natural.

            If it was good and natural, how come you are not homosexual?
            If your parents were homosexuals and that is natural as you stupidly claimed, where did you come from?
            Either they had to adopt you, in which you prove that homosexuality serves no purpose other than going after perverted lust.

            Or one of them had to sleep with someone else to have a child. How is that moral?You liberal jack@sses are among the most condemning, loudest and most judgmental when going after others for even perceived adultery, yet you see gay and lesbian people sleeping with a third person to have a child as no problem and consider it natural and not destroying families, and society.

            I underestimated how stupid you are.

            “I will no longer talk with someone”
            Butt hurt already?
            LOL. I guess you lost the argument, and your juvenile, vulgarity laced, hate filled outbursts are showing it too, and your personal attacks are not working.

            You are morally bankrupt, have no grasp on basic facts, definitions and concepts, and cannot tell real science from snake oil salesman type junk science, so it is time for you to cut your losses short and leave.

            “who has an imaginary invisible friend in the sky.”

            This comes from someone who believes that imaginary and invisible primitive form of life showed suddenly and out of nowhere on Earth and magically decided to evolve.

            And an imaginary invisible small particle showed up out of nowhere, sat for billions of years doing nothing, and then suddenly and magically decided to explode.

            LOL.
            Dude, you are one piece of work.

            “You should see a doctor about that.”
            I am not the one hallucinating and then attacking others for questioning my crap. You are. You need to take your own advice.
            Here is a novel idea. Grab a book and start to read. Specifically the books that you advocate what they said and the one that you dismiss. Once you get a small idea about how things work and how they are defined, seek professional help for your anger issues. But I hate to be the one telling you that your stupidity has no cure. Real science cannot cure stupidity and willful ignorance. Maybe your imaginary primitive form of life can show up again, and magically “evolve” into brain that you can put in that big empty space between your ears. LOL.
            So an ignorant person and an angry liberal jack@ass and an stupid atheist won’t respond to my pots?And I am supposed to be sad?Is that supposed to be bad?
            Wow, you are even worse than what we originally found out.
            Good luck to you in your life pal, you gonna need it.

          • Uomo Senzanome

            “NOTHING like this happened in the Orthodox, Apostolic, and other churches including thousands of Protestant churches.” WRONg. There have been sex abuse scandals in MANY other denominations (and non-Christian organizations as well). I am personally acquainted with a victim of a horrific circle of abusers in a baptist congregation in the south. These have not gotten the press that the Catholic stories have for various reasons, chief among them that many such churches are fairly freestanding with no significant hierarchy to sue or get otherwise involved. But the stories are out there.

          • johnsmith500

            I suggest that you read and research what you are arguing about. NOTHING like this was in the Orthodox and Apostolic churches, ON THIS SCALE. Of course fake and made up stories are there, in the wake of such reports from the Catholic church. Please spare me the lies of those massive circles of human trafficking and abuse that you personally witnessed that the “oh-so pro Christian main stream media” is keeping under wraps.

          • Greg Forschler

            I like how you prove your points by just saying “You have 0 understanding to what you are advocating for or against, and pretty much clueless about basic science and faith/morals and other facts”. Priceless.

          • Luke McKee

            I’m a victim of the special gay police that can accuse you of the 5 year jailable serious indictible offense of the crime you knowing you have been discriminated against under 60C NSW Crimes Act, crime of knowing the sexual preference of a justice perverting (hate crime 12 years jail) GLLO gay NSW Police officer. As interviewed on truthnews.com.au / Alex Jones show and more! all the interviews here: http://usa.rightwingamerica.com/index.php/topic,3438.0.html

          • johnsmith500

            Truth hurts. When you refuse to even read scientific research, and use common sense, then rely on junk science, and then comeback and tell me that I have not used any facts, what is left out there in such discussions? Most of you who work as apologists for such people have your fingers in your ears singing “la la la, I can’t hear you” and refuse to even do basic research.

          • Greg Forschler

            What “junk science” are you talking about?

          • johnsmith500

            You keep responding to facts that go flying over your head with your usual one line non sequitur.

            The junk science is pretty much everything you liberals/atheists and other malcontents believe in and want to force on everyone. Start with your pathetic “big bang theory” and work your way up to the “Global Warming” scam and fear mongering.

          • Greg Forschler

            You’re the one who brought it up. Please tell me what junk science I’ve mentioned.

          • johnsmith500

            You are just pathetic dude. All this because you can’t follow
            your own arguments? Short memory span?Or just selective memory?

            You were not happy with my comment “You have 0 understanding to what you are advocating for or against, and pretty much clueless about basic science and faith/morals and other facts”

            To which you responded saying:
            “I like how you prove your points by just saying”
            And quoted it.

            To which I explained:

            “Truth hurts. When you refuse to even read scientific research, and use common sense, then rely on junk science,”

            Then you whined:
            “What “junk science” are you talking about?”

            And now you whine again for me explaining it for you.
            No wonder you are a liberal/atheist. You fit the description too.

          • Greg Forschler

            You iplied that I was using junk science, as if something I mentioned was junk science. I asked you what it was I said and you bring up the big effing bang theory. Where are you getting this from? You are way off topic.
            Instead of responding to my points or counter-arguments to your pathetic arguments, you just spew crap like “You have 0 understanding to what you are advocating for or against, and pretty much clueless about basic science and faith/morals and other facts”. If you had a good point to refute what I said, then just say it, you don’t need to resort to this crap unless you have nothing valid to say.
            “Perversion” is subjective. You have no argument against this.
            Being gay is not a choice. You have no valid argument against this.
            You have demands that you ask of that group. Who the hell are you to have demands on people? If people put demands on you, would you be ok with that?

          • johnsmith500

            No I “iplied” (sic) nothing. I stated an opinion, loud and clear, an informed opinion based on observations and facts. Almost all the so-called science used by Liberals/atheists and their likes is junk science, myths, assumptions, conspiracy theories, unproven theories that are just out of someone’s wild imagination, …etc. YOU are the one who asked for explanation, and I gave you one which you did not like and now are whining about “off topic” while you conveniently strayed off topic dozens of times in your weak attempts to troll in your comments. Look up the definition of hypocrisy in your favorite resource.
            What points?What did you add to the topic so far? Other than pathetic, lame and weak trolling?You’re not even original. Now you are getting upset when your crap was exposed and thrown back at you. Well deal with it.

            Now try to follow the discussion/topic, son and stop being so ignorant and angry.
            No one “demanded” anything. And yes my arguments are actually destroying your weak stance on this. You have no solid foundation morally or even can do the math or use facts instead if Liberal made up nonsense. Not my fault if anything said goes completely over your head. Blame your own stupidity for that.
            Now let’s use your own argument here. You’re telling me and others that we should ignore our faith, ignore common sense, decency, families and even logic and all just say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and it is normal not a perversion. Who the hell are you to demand such position and force your opinion on us?
            It’s either they have control over it and can be changed, or they have no control over it and need help. You can’t have it both ways. Try getting some of those facts and common in that thick skull of yours.
            Being arrogant with a loud mouth does not make you right on this or anything at all. It makes you look pathetic.

          • Greg Forschler

            “Now
            let’s use your own argument here. You’re telling me and others that we should
            ignore our faith, ignore common sense, decency, families and even logic and all
            just say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and it is normal not a
            perversion. Who the hell are you to demand such position and force your opinion
            on us?”
            The point here is that two different groups disagree, so who gets their way? Easy. If you don’t agree with it, you don’t do it, but you have no right to stop others. YOU don’t have to ignore your faith, but other people can easily ignore it.
            When you first mentioned junk science in response to my post, I assumed you were staying on topic responding specifically to something I had said in my post. But I didn’t mention global warming or the big bang. So I’m still waiting to hear what “junk science” I’ve been using. You can point to nothing in my posts here and claim junk science.
            Meanwhile, your bible can’t be proven to be more than a myth. How do you expect us to take it seriously?

          • johnsmith500

            “How do you expect us to take it seriously?” Who’s “us”? You have a turd in your pocket?
            Sure, you can ignore facts, real science, faith, decency, common sense, logic, …etc, but don’t expect to be taken even remotely seriously until you start acting like a grown up adult ( I am assuming that you are an adult, although your attitude problems, reading skills, temper/anger issues, and behavior suggest otherwise), and stop throwing insults and condescending remarks while you demand respect. Here is a small, real life fact. Respect is EARNED and not demanded, and so far you have not earned anything except being trashed (and deservingly so) for being a pompus arrogant douche.
            See how easy it is to throw insults?
            What there is in the Bible is apparently too much for someone like you who can’t even comprehend basic facts. That is why you dismiss it and think that it is “myth” which is expected from people like yourself. I mean look at your posts. Anyone reading them easily comes to the conclusion that there is no sign of intelligent life behind those words.
            Funny you mention myths, as this comes from someone who buys into the something appeared out of nowhere an exploded for no reason and formed the world as science. LOL.
            Hey, even better, you by into the myth that some form of life that you don’t know where it came from and don’t know how to explain how it existed in the first place suddenly showed on Earth, not on any other planet and suddenly started “evolving” jumped into the water too and then started flying too, blah blah blah. LOL.
            Those myths you have no problem taking as science yet you have the nerve even to dismiss the Bible which tells you that there is intelligent design behind this and that the world did not exist on its own nor suddenly and for no reason. And you want me or others like after all this nonsense coming out of you and your likes seriously?
            You are really for a rude awakening if you think so.
            Bottom line, you can be an atheist/Liberal, …etc, no one would twist your hand, but don’t force your opinions and lifestyle on us, people who prefer common sense, faith, and real science, because we would not allow such thing.

          • Greg Forschler

            “Funny
            you mention myths, as this comes from someone who buys into the something
            appeared out of nowhere an exploded for no reason and formed the world as
            science.”

            This is what your bible says. A god exists out of nowhere and created the universe out of nothing, with no explanation as to how this happened. Thanks for pointed out how stupid it is.

            Hey, even better, you by into the myth that some form of life that you don’t
            know where it came from and don’t know how to explain how it existed in the
            first place suddenly showed on Earth, not on any other planet and suddenly
            started “evolving” jumped into the water too and then started flying
            too, blah blah blah. ”

            Your explaination says the same thing, just that god did it, but with no explanation

            Hey, even better, you by into the myth that some form of life that you don’t
            know where it came from and don’t know how to explain how it existed in the
            first place suddenly showed on Earth, not on any other planet and suddenly
            started “evolving” jumped into the water too and then started flying
            too, blah blah blah. ”

            Your explanation says the same thing, just that god did it and with no explanation as to how. It’s the same problem and you don’t have the answer, while you mock others who at least have more information about it.
            Some of us just don’t want a lack of equality for people (and it isn’t just marriage) just becasue some conservative hick-bytches are whining that certain things go against their little bible stories. Too bad.

          • johnsmith500

            Just when I thought you can’t get any dumber. You continue to prove me wrong on that.

            So you want an explanation how God came into existence?
            Have you bothered to look up the definition of God?

            Is that too hard?It must be, otherwise why would someone post such baseless and stupid argument failing to read basic definitions?

            No, the Bible does not say EVER there was anything happening out of the blue, all of sudden and for no explanation or life showing up without a know source.

            Where does the Bible say that a small particle, showed up from nowhere sat there for no reason, and then magically and for no reason decided to “explode” putting everything in into a perfect orbit or place like what we have today?

            The Bible clearly says God created man in his image. Where does it say a “primitive” life form suddenly showed up on earth from unknown origin and suddenly decided to “evolve” into other life forms?

            Where are you getting this from?Which Bible you are reading?

            Who is “mocking others”? We don’t go out of our way suing churches, schools, cities, courthouses, businesses demanding removal and marginalizing of others, it is you lame, corrupt, hypocritical, deceptive, violent, law suit happy atheists/liberals with your fragile and oversized egos doing that, and making fun of other people’s faiths, now you are playing the victim, which is always expected as almost all of you are vitocrats.

            Even worse, you continue to post masked vulgarities and insults, too bad you are too stupid to see how stupid you are, whining and complaining about things you allege others do to you and your likes, while you do them all the time and right there in the same paragraph. I think you have a fair shot of getting on state mental disability compensation or something like that to get you the professional help you need.

            Bottom line, you want to act like a pervert, expect to be treated like one. You want to change something that you don’t like? That’s too bad, because until you start changing yourself, you will continue to suffer from being ignored and trashed for being a arrogant, ignorant hypocritical douche.

          • Greg Forschler

            “No, the Bible does not say EVER there was anything happening out of the blue, all of sudden and for no explanation or life showing up without a know source.”

            Except for God. Oops. Sorry for your failure.

            “Where does the Bible say that a small particle, showed up from nowhere sat there for no reason, and then magically
            and for no reason decided to “explode” putting everything in into a perfect orbit or place like what we have today?”

            2 Maccabees 7:28 “So I urge you, my child, to look at the
            sky and the earth. Consider everything you see there, and realize that God made
            it all from nothing.” And you argue that others believe that ‘something
            came from nothing’. Priceless. You can feel ashamed now, it’s ok.

          • johnsmith500

            You continue to prove that you are an idiot who can’t read. But what else is new.

            Here, let me bring this down to your level, maybe that empty space between your ears can digest these simple facts.

            1. Your “science” evolution theory says we all “evolved” from a primitive form of life. Cannot explain where that came from and how it ended on earth, and why it stayed like that for that amount of time and suddenly and for no reason, decided to evolve.

            Where does the Bible say that?
            The Bible says it was God who created man in his image. You compare that to “nothing and out of nowhere”?I asked you before and ask you again, have you managed to look up the definition of God?Or you just argue for the sake of arguing?

            2. Your “sicence” Big Bang THEORY, SUGGESTS that there was a tiny particle (they still can’t find it, or explain where it came from, and ironically named it god particle) that appeared out of nowhere, and sat there for unknown/not proven amount of time doing nothing and then suddenly out of nothing decided to explode, magically managing to form everything perfectly like what we have today.

            Where is that in the Bible?
            The Bible say God created everything, once again, do you understand the definition of God?

            I have discussed with atheists before this, but you certainly are among the lamest and the stupidest. In fact you don’t know and are not sure what you are arguing about, and oh, quoting from apocrypha, random passages that are not even related to what you are arguing about is priceless.

            So now the Book of Maccabees suddenly became part of the Bible?
            LOL!
            Googling does not make you an expert, dummy. You are the one who should feel ashamed, because unlike you I do my homework before arguing. You don’t even know what is part of the Bible. You are just stupid, but I guess being arrogantly stupid with a loud mouth makes you feel better about yourself.

          • Greg Forschler

            “Cannot explain where that came from and how it ended on earth”

            And you can’t explain how it happened either. Go ahead and try. And fail.

            ” and why it stayed like that for that amount of time and suddenly and for no reason, decided to evolve.”

            Nothing “decided” to evolve, there are reasons that things are happening, look up biology, organic matter, physics, maybe you would understand, but probably not.

            It was considered ‘scripture’ at one point, the fact that your wizards and con artists can’t decide what’s what is of no conern to me. The point is your book says something like “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” but it does nothing to prove this or explain how this happened. There was nothing and then god made something out of it, or he made it out of existing stuff which means it all came before him, one way or another you lose, but you are way to dumb to understand this.

          • johnsmith500

            Actually the Bible explains it perfectly, it is your low IQ and lack of basic reading comprehension standing in the way. You tied and failed even in basic explanation of your oh-so-cool theory of evoultion and can’t even tell where did that magical primitive life form came from. Your answer when questioned? “Hey you can’t explain it either, because I am too dumb to read your explanations or even read the Bible that I criticize”
            LOL.
            Yeah, very convincing argument, but you are so brave throwing insults hiding behind your semi anonymous Internet connections, aren’t you?
            What an idiot you are.
            So far you argued about the Bible, which you could not tell what books are actually in the Bible and you quoted from something which is not the Bible, you failed to read and comprehend basics of what you are arguing against, you failed to understand basic definitions, and actually, in the most stupid and pathetic way, asked who created God, which means you don’t understand basic definition of a word/concept that you claim to understand and disagree with.
            And after all this, you want me or anyone with a brain take you seriously?
            Are you kidding?
            Your juvenile insults make you look worse, they don’t win you an argument that you already have lost long time ago, but you are too stupid to realize how stupid you are.
            It is kooks like you who are the problem with this world. No wonder you are so angry and nasty. You are a colossal failure so far online, and I would bet that you are also a failure and a complete loser outside the Internet and in real life too. But I am sure you will be claiming that you are a genius and think highly of yourself.

          • Greg Forschler

            So can you explain where life came from, and where the universe came from? Just saying “god did it” is not valid, that’s a ‘who’ not a ‘how’.

          • johnsmith500

            Look up the definition of God.
            Speaking of explanations, can you explain where did that “primitive form of live” that we all supposedly “evolved” from came from?
            Where did that small particle that sat there for billions of years and suddenly decided to explode and form the universe came from?
            Just saying the showed and and did all that is not valid, that’s a ‘who’ and not a ‘how’, but I am not sure if you realize or even understand your hypocrisy,

          • Greg Forschler

            “Speaking of explanations, can you explain where did that “primitive form of live” that we all supposedly “evolved” from came from?
            Where did that small particle that sat there for billions of years and suddenly decided to explode and form the universe came from?”
            And what is your explanation?

            “Just saying the showed and and did all that is not valid”
            Way to point out my typos but not your own. WTF are you talking about here? Learn to type and form thoughts first.

          • johnsmith500

            “And what is your explanation?”

            Ahh, the good old “I can’t prove what I said, and have no idea what I am advocating, so I’ll ask you to prove yours first”

            My explanation, dummy?You still say I did not explain?
            I was explaning it all this time, jack@ss. Try reading what you respond to. I said God created. You say he didn’t. I asked you to prove you claim, you relied or the evolution and the big bang snake oil junk science and I asked again to prove the basic concept, the foundation of those theories, you failed and now, instead of answering, you resort to lying through your rotten teeth and claim that I never explained.

            “WTF are you talking about here?”

            Short memory span hurting you again?
            You should see a doctor about that.

            “Learn to type and form thoughts first.”

            Coming from someone who posted crap like “came back when you” and with posts filled with juvenile, hate filled, profanity laced crap, this is rich.

            So what happened to your promise of leaving and not arguing anymore?
            Yep, you guess right, you are a lying idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            Saying “god created it” is not an explanation of how, that’s like asking how a building got built and someone answers “Bob”. I could just say the Supreme Universe created it, see, because apparently if I put the word supreme in front of it then it doesn’t require a creator, thanks for that bit of wisdom.

            The rest of this was just be pointing out your typo, since that’s your game now, so I’ll point out yours. And here in your past message – “I asked you to prove you claim,”. Brilliant.

          • johnsmith500

            Blah blah blah.
            “mommy, I am a victim” “mommy, he is mean, he won’t let me insult him and his faith”, “mommy, I don’t like what he says”
            “mommy, he caught me lying and being a hypocrite, please make him stop”

            That’s all you could post so far. Other than your lies and personal attacks, vulgarity, and juvenile outbursts to counter facts that you don’t like.
            You are just a sad lonely losers.

          • Greg Forschler

            You lied when you claimed that I was the one who believed that something came from nothing, when in fact it was you all along.

          • johnsmith500

            “You lied when you claimed that I was the one who believed that something came from nothing,”

            You believe in the evolution and big bang THEORIES. Both are based on something that came out of nothing (primitive life form that “evolved” and small particle that “exploded”), and you are saying that you believe in this and call it science. Are you saying that you are now disowning your previous comments?Did you suddenly become a believer in creation and doubter in the junk science like evolution and big bang?
            Who’s the one lying now?
            Either you are a pathological liar, or you suffer from split personality or have a sever case if bipolar disorder, which is it, I don’t know, I am not a psychiatrist or a doctor, but you certainly have a problem.

            “when in fact it was you all along.”

            Really?How so?
            By saying that God created the universe and man, for you that equals “Something came out of nothing”?

            Just how stupid are you?
            Read again, dummy.
            I said God created everything. That means I provided an explanation.
            You bought into evolution and big bang and both can’t explain (neither you can) where did those small things come from. In short, you believe that something can come out of nothing.

            Therefore you are an idiot when you claim the exact opposite and accuse me of lying, but that is expected from a loser like you with your juvenile profanity laced outbursts. I am actually surprised that you were able to post one comment without being vulgar.

            “And now there is no way to get out of your own lie.”

            Correct, because there has to be a lie in the first place in order for one to get out of it. But you always had problems with facts.

            “It would be funny to watch you try, but you won’t even do that.”

            Looked in the mirror lately?
            You were just humiliated and your lies exposed and got called out, and your only way is to accuse me of lying?

            You are just pathetic. I almost feel sorry for you.

            That’s what happens when you have no ground to stand on.
            I stand on solid ground. My house is built on the rock, your house is built on sand. which is why you are confused, angry, and resort to lying, vulgarity and juvenile outbursts.

          • Greg Forschler

            “when in fact it was you all along.”
            Really?How so?
            By saying that God created the universe and man, for you that equals “Something came out of nothing”?”
            So do you think god created something from nothing, or do you think he created something from something that already existed? What other alternatives are there?

          • johnsmith500

            Yes you idiot. I said he is God and he created everything. Do look up the meaning of “create” after you manage to look up and digest the meaning of the word “God” which seems to be a challenge for you.
            You have been asked several times to look up the meaning of the words you use BEFORE posting your usual uninformed and pathetic opinions.

            There was no lie. God creates. And he created the universe from nothing. Where is this lie?Where did I say otherwise?Why you keep hallucinating and imagining things that never happened?You make up stuff as you go along.
            I would not be surprised if you are/were high on something. In fact your posts suggest that.

            You whined about that and dismissed it as making no sense for you while you are comfortable embracing junk like evolution and big bang which suggest stuff appearing out of NOTHING and coming from nowhere, completely failing to explain their origin. No problem for you, but when I said that God created everything and he can create from nothing because he is God. That is a problem for you, and somehow you think I lied?
            Not my fault if you are unable to keep up with discussion and not my fault when you stuck with failed theories like evolution and big bang that you can’t defend. Your only way out of this is to turn this, once again, into a name calling match and personal attacks, like you usually do.
            You can’t admit that you are/were wrong and move on. No wonder you are an atheist.

          • Greg Forschler

            So god created something from nothing. So you are the one claiming that something came from nothing. How can something come from nothing? I make no claim to knowing how everything came to exist, only you are doing that. And now I’m asking you how that happened, not who, how. You have no answer for this do you.

          • johnsmith500

            Yes he is God. Look up the definition. You whined about explanation and how that is possible while you are are comfortable embracing junk like evolution and big bang which suggest stuff appearing out of NOTHING and coming from nowhere, completely failing to explain their origin.
            Yes, you attacked me for saying that, while your whole premise is actually BUILT on nothing caused everything and something came from nothing.
            You still can’t admit that you are not only a hypocrite, but a liar and brain dead atheist.

          • Greg Forschler

            Since you can’t read well I have to repeat myself.
            You are the one claiming that something came from nothing. How can something come from nothing? I make no claim to knowing how everything came to exist, only you are doing that.

          • johnsmith500

            “Since you can’t read well”

            This is rich coming from someone who blamed his own lie on me because he failed to read what I always said.

          • Greg Forschler

            Show me a quote of mine where I said something came from nothing. I can find several places where you are saying this, but not me.

          • johnsmith500

            I NEVER said you said directly “something came out of nothing” you reading comprehension impaired fool.
            I said you complained that I said God created everything and that does not make sense to you since you think that something has to have created God, which means that you dismiss the idea of God and creation because they came out of nothing.
            All this while showing your hypocrisy comfortably embracing junk like evolution and big bang which suggest stuff appearing out of NOTHING and coming from nowhere, completely failing to explain their origin.
            Ask any 8 year old to read your posts and mine and explain this for you.

          • Greg Forschler

            So for the record, you believe that something can come from nothing, while I do not.
            Come back when you have proof of your god and can explain how he created everything from nothing.

          • johnsmith500

            “So for the record,”

            I see that you are worried now.
            LOL!

            “you believe that something can come from nothing,”

            Incorrect. I clearly said that God created the universe, and created man.
            You translated that into “from nothing” because you are too stupid to read simple, plain English and clear one line statement.

            “while I do not.”

            Actually you do. But then again, your stupidity and hypocrisy is at display.

            You believe in the snake oil junk science evolution and big bang theories.
            Both fail to explain the origin of their basic element(s) and where they came from. In other words and to bring this down to your level, they are saying things just popped out of nowhere and evolved/exploded. You believe in that, therefore you believe that things can come out of nothing.

            I have proof of God. And he is not mine. He is the creator of the universe and life. I don’t have to explain how he did create, because you are too stupid to look up the definitions of God, creation, and other things. But that is the least of your problems.

            Come back to me when you can explain where did that primitive form of life that your hero Darwin says we all “evolved” from came from, which he fails misreably in his ironically named book “The Origin Of Species” yet fails to explain that origin, and then come back to me again, when you can explain where did that small particle that supposedly exploded and formed this perfect universe came from, and irnonically you idiots name it “god particle” yet claim there is no God, and all this while you can’t explain where and how that particle came from and why it sat there all these years, and why it decided to explode and for no reason, and why all this does not happen now.
            But once again, you are too stupid to realize how stupid you are.
            Not to mention your glaring hypocrisy attacking others for a perceived failure to explain origin of things, while you fail to do so.
            But I am sure you think highly of yourself, and you are a genius who figured all this out. Your juvenile profanity laced outbursts and 2nd grade level personal attacks and insults prove that you are just that, a stupid, angry, uneducated and vulgar juvenile.

          • Greg Forschler

            “Incorrect. I clearly said that God created the universe, and created man.
            You translated that into “from nothing”
            You said ” he creates from nothing”. Now you are denying that you said he creates from nothing. Wow.
            Look, it’s simple, either you think god created the universe from nothing, or you think he created from something. Now fill in the blank “God created the universe from _____”. You can’t do it can you.
            I don’t have any thoughts on where things came from <—CAN YOU READ THIS!!! Hello, is this thing on, can your eyes and brain scan this at all?? I didn't think so. And the big bang theory doesn't even address the issue of where it came from before, it has no statement to make about it.

          • johnsmith500

            *Yawn*

            All this drivel and you are still unable to comprehed and understand how foolish you look when you lie through your teeth.

            Let me summarize it again, and let me dumb this down to your level, maybe you’d get it this time.

            Me: God created the universe, and created man.
            You: That does not explain anything. Who created God, and where did he create the universe from?

            Me: Look up the definition of God and creation. Are you stupid to suggest or even require a creator of the creator, and the source of creation?

            You: But but but, blah blah blah, [personal attacks, rants, insults, juvenile outburst, ....etc.]

            Me: Why are you acting like a hypocrite, asking for the source of the creation and where everything came from when you believe in unproven theories that fail to do so?
            You believe in the evolution and big bang theories, don’t you?

            You: Yeah, so?They are science?

            Me: How so?They are unproven theories, and fail to explain the origin of what they are suggesting. That means you are a hypocrite for dismissing creation since you fail to understand it on the false premise that it does not explain the origin of everything. yet you buy into evolution and big bang theories which fail completely and in fact avoid explaining origin of things.

            You: But but but, blah blah blah, [More personal attacks, rants, insults, accusations and juvenile outburst, ....etc.]

            Now you moved into complete denial of everything you said and you are trying to weasel your way out of this since you know you are caught and called out and your tactic right now is more name calling, off topic incoherent rants, raves and ramblings.

            Can you answer the point or not?
            Here, I’ll make it simple for you and place it between the next two lines.

            ————————
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–
            This is simple and dumbed down to your level. Even you should be able to answer this point or just cut your losses short and get lost.

            Yeah, you came across fake Christians, not a break through discovery. Are you going to hang on that straw too?
            Wake up and smell the coffee.

          • Greg Forschler

            So fill in the blank – “God created the universe from _____”

          • johnsmith500

            Still can’t answer a simple question?

            I even put it between 2 lines. Is that too much to ask?

            Here, maybe you can do it right now.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–
            Please answer the question and stop being an ass. Dodging a question that demolishes your entire premise by asking a deceptive question instead.

          • Greg Forschler

            The big bang theory and evolution have nothing to do with how everything came to exist in the first place.
            Now stop avoiding my question, it should come in the form of a one word answer, anything more shows that you can’t following directions or answer the simple question –
            Fill in the blank – “God created the universe from _____”

          • johnsmith500

            Still can’t answer a simple question?Still dancing around it?

            I even put it between 2 lines. Is that too much to ask?Are you really this desperate?

            Here it is again.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–
            Please answer the question and stop being an ass. Not that you are expected to stop being an ass, but you could at least prove that you are not a complete jackass.

          • Greg Forschler

            I do not see evidence for a creator nor has there been a mechanism proposed for how this creation took place, so believing in them does not seem reasonable. Big bang and evolutionary theories don’t have anything to do with how the universe came to be, why you are even pitting these things against a creator is beyond me, it’s a non-squitur. I could take or leave the big bang, it’s no skin off my back, it’s just an observation about the expansion of what we see in the observable universe. I don’t know where everything came from, I make no claims to.
            Now you ahve to answer my qeuestion – God made the universe(something) from _____. Fill it in.

          • johnsmith500

            Hello? Anyone home?
            Still can’t answer a simple question?Still dancing around it?

            Here it is again.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            You continue to run away from answering this simple question, cementing your status as a hypocrite and an ignorant person.

          • Greg Forschler

            Oh, and you also have to answer how god created the universe.

          • johnsmith500

            Still can’t answer a simple question?Still dancing around it?

            Here it is again.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Now answer the question and stop dancing and dodging by asking counter questions that have no relevance to this.

          • Greg Forschler

            I don’t believe in a creator because I do not see enough evidence to support that theory, either the existence of such an entity (containing intelligence and complexity, and in some manner ‘existence’, which are the very things we are trying to explain in the first place), or a method for how this creator would have created, no method has ever been described. It is unbelievable to me that he got something out of nothing.
            Evolution and big bang theories have nothing to do with how everything came to exist in the first place, they make no claims about this, and neither do I. Only you claim to have this knowledge. I could take or leave the big bang, it’s no skin off my back, it is simply an observation about how the matter we see appears to have been expanding from a certain point- it could be compatible with a universe with or without a god and in no way proves or disproves a god and a god in no way proves or disproves the big bang. Now you tell me how god created everything, how he got the something from nothing. This something from nothing bit is your philosophy, your claim, not mine.

          • johnsmith500

            Nice run-on rambling, yet still fail to answer a simple question.

            Here it is again.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Now answer the question and stop dancing and dodging by asking questions.

          • Greg Forschler

            I don’t believe in a creator because I do not see enough evidence to support that theory or either the existence of such an entity (containing intelligence and complexity, and in some manner ‘existence’, which are the very things we are trying to explain in the first place), nor do I see a method for how this creator would have created, no method has ever been described. It is unbelievable to me that he got something out of nothing.
            Evolution and big bang theories have nothing to do with how everything came to exist in the first place, they make no claims about this, and neither do I. Only you claim to have this knowledge. I could take or leave the big bang, it’s no skin off my back, it is simply an observation about how the matter we see appears to have been expanding from a certain point- it could be compatible with a universe with or without a god and in no way proves or disproves a god and a god in no way proves or disproves the big bang. Now you tell me how god created everything, how he got the something from nothing. This something from nothing bit is your philosophy, your claim, not mine.
            How does this not answer the question? Can you read? I’ve answered everything about your question and then some. Read it over and over until you get it.

          • johnsmith500

            Yet another run-on rambling without answering a simple question. Well, managed to break your rambling into three paragraphs this time, maybe there is hope for you.

            Now read the question again, try to comprehend what you read (I know I am asking too much from someone like you) and then answer it.

            Here it is again.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Now answer the question and stop dancing and dodging by asking questions.

          • Greg Forschler

            I dismiss creation because I see no evidence to support a creator (who would have intelligence and complexity, and in some manner ‘existence’, which are the very things we are trying to explain in the first place), and I see no evidence or explanation for the act of creation itself, the method has ever been described. It is unbelievable to me that he got something out of nothing.
            Evolution and big bang theories have nothing to do with how everything came to exist in the first place, they make no claims about this, and neither do I. Only you claim to have this knowledge. I could take or leave the big bang, it’s no skin off my back, it is simply an observation about how the matter we see appears to have been expanding from a certain point- it could be compatible with a universe with or without a god and in no way proves or disproves a god and a god in no way proves or disproves the big bang. Now you tell me how god created everything, how he got the something from nothing. This something from nothing bit is your philosophy, your claim, not mine.
            How does this not answer the question? Can you read? I’ve answered everything about your question and then some. Read it over and over until you get it.

          • johnsmith500

            *Yawn*

            Now just copy/pasting your own ramblings?Spam much?
            I was wrong about you. There is not hope for you. You are messed up beyond any hope.

            Now read the question again, try to comprehend what you read (I know I am asking too much from someone like you) and then answer it.

            Here it is again.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Answer the question and stop dancing and dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

          • Greg Forschler

            What part of the question do I think I didn’t answer? You ask why I dismiss creation, so I tell you. Then you talk about what you call ‘junk’ science, which is just your opinion and at any rate those theories don’t have anything to do with tyring to explain the origins of all matter, they, like the theory of gravity, are theories about things that have been happening ever since the universe has existed.

          • johnsmith500

            Still not answering the question. Still dodging the actual question and going on rambling on a side issue that is semi-related.

            Here it is again. posted about a dozen or so times so far.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Answer the question and stop dancing and dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

          • Greg Forschler

            OK how aobut if I do it this way-

            “Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things”

            HERE IS MY ANSWER —>>>>
            Because I do not see enough evidence for a creator or the act of creation.
            <<>>>
            Your assumption that they are unproven or junk science is simply your opinion, and even if they were not true that would still not be proof of creation. They fail to explain the origin of their basic elements for the same reason that the theory of gravity fails to do this, because they are not about explaining the origing of the basic elements.
            <<<—-THE ANSWER WAS RIGHT THERE, DID YOU SEE IT?

            If this is not an answer enough for you then you are simply proving that you cannot read. If there is an unanswered part you are gonig to have to state what that is.

          • johnsmith500

            Still not answering the question. Still dodging the actual question and going on rambling on a side issue that is semi-related, attacking my opinion instead of answering the question.

            Here it is again. posted about a dozen or so times so far.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Once again, try answering the question and stop dancing and dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

          • Greg Forschler

            “Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things”

            HERE IS MY ANSWER —>>>>
            Because I do not see enough evidence for a creator or the act of creation.
            <<>>>
            Your assumption that they are unproven or junk science is simply your opinion, and even if they were not true that would still not be proof of creation. They fail to explain the origin of their basic elements for the same reason that the theory of gravity fails to do this, because they are not about explaining the origing of the basic elements.
            <<<—-THE ANSWER WAS RIGHT THERE, DID YOU SEE IT?

            If this is not an answer enough for you then you are simply proving that you cannot read. If there is an unanswered part you are going to have to state what that is.

          • johnsmith500

            Copy paste much?Spam much?Obsess much?

            Wouldn’t a self appointed expert of what makes something credible and what makes something a real science be able to answer A SIMPLE QUESTION?

            Seems to be mission impossible for you, since you are reading comprehension challenged and go on irrelevant rants attacking me instead of ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

            Clue: Inserting random capitalized THE ANSWER texts in your drivel does not make it an answer. Read the question again, and then answer it.

            Still not answering the question. Still dodging the actual question and going on rambling on a side issue that is semi-related, attacking my opinion instead of answering the question.

            Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Not holding my breath.

          • Greg Forschler

            What part of my answer can’t you read?

          • johnsmith500

            There has to be an answer first for me to read. I saw no answer, only mindless drivel, copy/paste and randomly capitalized words inserted in a rant attacking me and my opinion mostly and not answering the question.

            And you are still not answering the question. Still dodging the actual question and going on rambling on a side issue that is semi-related, attacking my opinion instead of answering the question.

            Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            I am still not holding my breath.

          • Greg Forschler

            “Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does),”

            Because I do not think that it explains the origin of things, it claims everything came from nothing with no explanation as to how this happened.

          • johnsmith500

            Still not answering the question. Still dodging the actual question.

            Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            The hell is your problem? I’ve answered it.

          • johnsmith500

            You are still hallucinating. That was no answer. That was a drivel and completely avoided the point. Here it is again.

            Maybe you’ll get it this time.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Reminder: Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            It is not drivel and I in no way avoided the point. I answered why I dismiss it, why I don’t think it actually does explain the origin of anything, and why your points about evolution and the big bang are not even relevenat. What more is there, what other point do you have that I’m not addressing?

          • johnsmith500

            It is drivel, you still miss the point in the question, which speaks volumes about your reading comprehension, and how little you know about things you dismiss and advocate.

            Education continues.

            . Here it is again.

            Maybe you’ll get it this time.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Reminder: Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            What then is the main point of your question?

          • johnsmith500

            LOL!!!
            So after all these times that you claimed you read it, and understood what was its point and even claimed you answered it, you suddenly realized that you have no clue of the point of this question?
            That means you were lying earlier when you claimed you read, understood what was the point and claimed you were answering it.

            Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot (again) and admitting that you are a liar.

            That’s twice today. Maybe there is hope for you?
            Nah, I said that in the past and found out that I was wrong about you. There is no hope for you.

            Now try to comprehend what you read, answering the question, and stop dancing around the point.

            Here it is again.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

          • Greg Forschler

            Since you can’t comprehend my answer, I guess we’re done here. I have addressed your question fully about a dozen times now and you refuse to point out what you think I have ‘avoided’.

          • johnsmith500

            “Since you can’t comprehend my answer”

            Here is a simple concept for you, there has to be an answer first for me to read and comprehend. How can I comprehend what isn’t there?

            You never answered my question. A simple question in simple English even a 2nd grader would have no problem with.

            All you posted in response was personal attacks, incoherent ramblings ravings, whining, rants, and vulgarity laced juvenile outbursts.
            Not a single response had ANYTHING to do with the question and the point the question made.

            Instead of admitting your failure and your ignorance and moving on, you double down on your stupidity.

            ” I guess we’re done here”

            Another drama and fake promise to leave?So you are a drama queen too, not surprising to anyone reading your pathetic juvenile comments.

            You promised to leave before and that was proven to be a lie, you continued posting your juvenile outbursts again and again after that promise.

            You lied when you said you understood the question and answered it. You then asked what is the question about, admitting that you had no clue what point the question was about, which means that you lied when you said you understood it, and you lied again when you claimed that you were answering it.

            Your lies were being exposed all this time, but you are too stupid to see how stupid you are.

            Your juvenile responses are full of vulgar crap and personal attacks. Last I checked those are not answers.

            Try growing up, grow a spine, learn to read, comprehend what you read, and then answer the question.

            Here it is again. Read it, comprehend it, and then answer it, and stop dancing around the point.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

          • Greg Forschler

            “So after all these times that you claimed you read it, and understood what was its point and even claimed you answered it, you suddenly realized that you have no clue of the point of this question?”
            No, YOU are claiming I don’t know what the point is, yet you can’t point out what it is. Can you read any part of my response at all?
            You silly quesiton is loaded with false assumptions in the first place. If I remove those, all that’s left is basically “why do you dismiss creation”, which I have answered, to which you say that is not really the question. Try removing your opinion statements and false assumptions from it and see what is left.

          • johnsmith500

            LOL.
            Temper, temper, contain your rage, control your anger.

            You’re losing it.

            You lied, you got caught and got called out. Not the first time, and I doubt it would be the last time.

            Get used to it. You atheists are mostly pathological liars.

            All that rambling and you still can’t answer a simple question.

            Here is the question again. Read it, comprehend it, and then answer it, and stop dancing around the point.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

          • Greg Forschler

            Sorry you’re having such a hard time with basic reading skills. Get back to me when you’ve solved this, and when you can remove your false assumptions from your question. Until the, bye.

          • johnsmith500

            “Sorry”

            You should be sorry, but I doubt your apology is sincere. Most of you atheist idiots are never sincere, and are in fact self righteous, self installed keepers of who is right and who is wrong and are usually full of it, bankrupt morally, logically and scientifically.

            Didn’t you promise to leave TWICE already?
            You lied again. So typical.

            You get your sorry backside kicked for being an ignorant juvenile and a foul mouthed arrogant disrespectful idiot. You got exposed as a liar and as an semi-literate person who can’t comprehend what he reads if his worthless life depended on it.

            You were also exposed as science and facts impaired juvenile. But I am sure you think that you are a genius.

            You could not comprehend and respond answering the point of a simple question that was in simple and plain English that a 2nd grader would have had no problem reading, comprehending and answering, instead you danced and dodged the point all this time, while lying through you rotten teeth claiming that you have comprehended what you read and that you were answering it, only to shoot yourself in the foot admitting that you never understood the question and therefore you were lying when you said you did and you were lying when you said you were answering the question.

            At what point you dropped out of school, stupid?If you can’t read, comprehend and answer a simple question, how do you expect ANYONE to take you seriously when you claim you can tell the difference between real science and junk science?
            Simple facts, simple definitions, simple questions, simple concepts ALL went flying over your head, yet you still think that you have a leg to stand on.

            You got thoroughly owned and proven wrong, demolished and called out, yet you still dance like the ignorant, arrogant, foul mouthed stupid and juvenile fool that you have proven yourself to be. Your vulgar responses and profanity laced outbursts, personal attacks, shameless lies hypocrisy, and deception did not help either.
            This seems to be a personality issue, and a complex. A quick view of your past posts show similar patterns. I almost feel sorry for you. You should see professional help. You are a danger to anyone who is so unfortunate to be around you in real life and I would not be surprised if you have committed a violent crime one day.

            You certainly have the anger and the MO of a violent person who is a closet criminal.

            All this dancing and you still fail to answer a simple question. Once your newest “I am leaving again” lie and teenage drama gets old, get back here and to get more education unless you suddenly grow up, grow a spine and answer the question, which I doubt that you are capable of.Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            Nope. You’re wrong about everything you said.

          • johnsmith500

            LOL!!!

            Third time in a row caught lying. You just said “bye” and now responded again.

            Just how stupid are you?

            All this dancing and you still fail to answer a simple question. Once your newest “I am leaving again” lie and teenage drama gets old, get back here and to get more education unless you suddenly grow up, grow a spine and answer the question, which I doubt that you are capable of.Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            I can’t help it, I find your useless, angry ranting and self-proclaimed success rather funny. All this from someone who can’t fill in one word in the blank – “god created the universe from _____”.
            And if I imply that I’m leaving and then come back, you get your panties in a twist. Just like the post you are about to make now…. (please don’t let me down).
            Bye now.

          • johnsmith500

            “I can’t help it,”

            Obviously. You are a pathological liar. Thanks for admitting that too.

            “Bye now.”
            Another lie. Among dozens exposed from you. But who;s counting?You have no shame. Morally bankrupt. But even you know that.

            All this dancing and you still fail to answer a simple question. Once your newest “I am leaving again” lie and teenage drama gets old, get back here and to get more education unless you suddenly grow up, grow a spine and answer the question, which I doubt that you are capable of.Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            If what you are trying to ask is “since you don’t think either of these things answers the question of origins, then why believe one and not the other?”, I have already answered why, because those things are not meant to explain the origin of the universe, just like the germ theory of disease or the theory of gravity, they make no claims to explaining the origin of the universe. And these theories have good evidence to back them up, while god and creation does not.
            But this is why your question is wonky in the first place and must be answered by pointing out the flaws in it. You may as well ask “why do you dismiss god while believing in the theory of gravity which does not explain where it came from in the first place.”. It’s a misguided question in the first place.

          • johnsmith500

            LOL!!!

            It’s been what, 10 days since your initial “mommy, my feelings are hurt! I am leaving!Bye” farewell message and you are still posting?

            “If what you are trying to ask”
            LOL!
            It’s been almost a week since I first asked this simple short questions in plain English that a 2nd grader would have had no problem with, and here we are you are still unable to comprehend what you read, still guessing what is the point of the question, while it is there right in front of you, posted dozens of times already.

            You just said “bye”AGAIN (look up your latest lie, three posts or so up) and now responded again, twice after that.
            Just how stupid are you? Obviously a loaded question, but I had to ask.

            All this dancing and you still fail to answer a simple question. Once your newest “I am leaving again” lie and teenage drama gets old, get back here and to get more education unless you suddenly grow up, grow a spine and answer the question, which I doubt that you are capable of.Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the question already, or shut your trap.

          • Greg Forschler

            LOL!! You still can’t form a question without faulty assumptions built into it! I have shown why your question is not valid and have answered, several times now, the only part that makes any sense.

          • johnsmith500

            So let me get this straight, you admit that you are confused and can’t comprehend what is my question about, asked several times, yet now your latest tactic is to claim that I “still can’t form a question without faulty assumptions built into it”?

            LOL!!!

            Dude, you’e a riot. I have not come across such stupidity, confusion and hypocrisy from one person in the same thread for ages. Whatever you are high on, must be some powerful crap. You are totally messed up, and are too stupid to see how stupid you are.

            Time for another drama queen style “bye, I am leaving” lie from you.

            It’s been what, 10 days since your initial “mommy, my feelings are hurt! I am leaving!Bye” farewell message and you are still posting?

            All this dancing and you still fail to answer a simple question. Once your newest “I am leaving again” lie and teenage drama gets old, get back here and to get more education unless you suddenly grow up, grow a spine and answer the question, which I doubt that you are capable of.Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the question already, or shut your trap.

          • Greg Forschler

            You are asking why I dismiss creation and I tell you. That is a valid answer. What part don’t you get?

          • johnsmith500

            No, that is not what I am asking. Read again the question to find out. Here it is again.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

          • Greg Forschler

            First of all, your silly question is loaded with false assumptions. Please remove those and re-phrase it.

          • johnsmith500

            Still not answering the question.

            After dozens of times of pounding you and asking you to read, comprehend and then answer the question, which you claimed you did, now suddenly you realized that it is, silly and full of false assumptions?That means you lied when you said you read it and were not answering it.

            Thanks for admitting that you are a liar, not that it is news.

            Here is the question again. Read it, comprehend it, and then answer it, and stop dancing around the point.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

          • Greg Forschler

            I knew it was full of false assumptions all along, half of my response had to be used to point these out, and maybe that has confused you. Just trying to help you understand my answer.

          • johnsmith500

            LOL.

            Now you are revising history?
            Your comments are there, you know squat.

            Admit it, you got caught lying again.

            Yet still no answer. Will you ever answer a simple question?
            I doubt it.

            Here is the question again. Read it, comprehend it, and then answer it, and stop dancing around the point.

            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

          • Greg Forschler

            I dismiss creation exaclty because I don’t think it does answer the question of the origin of things.

          • johnsmith500

            Still no answer for the point made in the queston. Here it is again.

            Maybe you’ll get it this time.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Try to comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Reminder: Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            I’m copying and pasting because that is what you are doing. I can’t understand why you can’t understand. I give you an answer and you simply claim it is not an answer. The burdon is on you to explain what part of it you don’t understand. Just saying ‘it’s not an answer’ isn’t going to do it. You are asking why I dismiss creation and I tell you why I dismiss creation. WTF???

          • johnsmith500

            So you admit that you copying pasting, while you continue to fail to read my question and fail to understand that only the question part is being copy/pasted. Unlike your inane rants.

            Still not answering the question. Wake me up when you have enough brain cells to read and comprehend what you read and then answer the question.

            Here it is again.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • johnsmith500

            Your profanity laced comment was held again for moderation. Your anger issues are spinning out of control. What’s the matter, can’t argue like an adult?

            Wait, scratch that, it takes an adult to argue like one. You are not an adult. You are an angry teenager.

            Still not answering the question. Still dodging the actual question.

            Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being acting like an idi0t.

          • johnsmith500

            What answer? Your profanity laced comment was held again for moderation. Your anger issues are spinning out of control. What’s the matter, can’t argue like an adult?

            Wait, scratch that, it takes an adult to argue like one. You are not an adult. You are an angry teenager.

            Still not answering the question. Still dodging the actual question.

            Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Read the question, comprehend what you read and then try answering it without dodging by asking questions, posting juvenile personal attacks or irrelevant nonsense.

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            The creation explanation for the origin of things is that it came form nothing. I don’t believe in something coming from nothing, someone would have to explain to me HOW this happened before I could even consider believing it.

          • johnsmith500

            Still not answering the question. Still dodging the actual question.

            Here it is again. posted over a dozen or so times so far.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Posting profanity, insults, angry responses does not help you. You are thick as a brick. Answer the questions instead of being an idiot.

          • Greg Forschler

            “explain where and how that particle came from and why it sat there all these years, and why it decided to explode and for no reason, and why all this does not happen now”.
            If you can say ‘god did it’ then I can say ‘nature did it’. Supreme nature.

          • johnsmith500

            LOL!!!

            So now you suddenly believe in “invisible friends”?

            Weren’t you the same idiot who said that about God, since you can’t see him?
            Now you suddenly believe in ” Supreme nature”?
            So basically you believe in God after all, you only disagree on the name, you call God ” Supreme nature”, or probably another name.

            Thanks for confirming that you are not only confused, but also stupid. Arguing all this time, claiming God does not exist, yet it turned out that you do believe he does exist, but have a different name for him.

            LOL!!!

          • Greg Forschler

            No, I just learned from you that if you claim something to be “supreme” (Greatest or maximal in degree) that it means it does not require a creator.

          • johnsmith500

            Give it up.

            You got caught making yet another stupid comment, effectively shooting yourself in the foot.

            Your words are clear.
            You can spin this as you want, dance around it as usual, but you can’t change what you said.

            You clearly said:
            “If you can say ‘god did it’ then I can say ‘nature did it’. Supreme nature.”

            You were whining all this time that you don’t believe God exists, and call him several disrespectful names like “invisible man” , …etc since you can’t see him, but now you confirm the exact opposite of what you said all along. You actually do believe in invisible friends, You believe in “Supreme nature” (never mind the obvious double stupidity here from you) and since you cannot see or touch that, it meas you believe in invisible friends.

            You screwed up, again, and still can’t get off your high horse, and drop the fake image you built for yourself and admit your mistakes. But no, not you. You are too stupid to admit your mistakes or even to realize how stupid you look right now.

            You are a riot dude. The scary thing is you are allowed to vote and possibly drive cars. Even scarier, you might end up in having children one day.

          • Greg Forschler

            All I’m trying to show you is that one could make that statement and it would be just as valid as your statement. The truth is no one knows, but you claim to know. As if you know everything about nature, god, the universe, and this supposed act of creation, the details of which you don’t seem to want to talk about for some odd reason.

          • johnsmith500

            You clearly said:
            “If you can say ‘god did it’ then I can say ‘nature did it’. Supreme nature.”

            You were whining all this time that you don’t believe God exists, and call him several disrespectful names like “invisible man” , …etc since you can’t see him.

            Now you confirm you actually do believe in invisible friends, You believe in “Supreme nature” (never mind the obvious double stupidity here from you) and since you cannot see or touch that, it meas you believe in invisible friends.

            And you can’t read and understand basic definitions, which is why you are so confused and angry.

          • Greg Forschler

            I said “I can say nature did it” meaning I could put forth this argument. I never said I believed it, and at any rate, what I meant by supreme nature is just that it does not require a creator. Learn to read.

          • johnsmith500

            You used it, which means you support it and beleive in it, unless you admit that you were deceptive. Which at that point I agree. Deception and lies are in the DNA on most of the atheists.

            Learn how to read and comprehend what you read, and then after that learn basic definitions, and actually try proof reading what you are posting before posting it. Otherwise, you will continue to get trashed for your stupidity.

            Now stop dodging the question that you never answered.

            Here it is again.
            ——————–
            Why you dismiss creation saying it does not explain origin of things (while you fail to read it properly since it does), yet you believe in unproven theories and junk science like evolution and big bang which both fail to explain the origin of their basic elements?
            ——————–

            Now answer the question and stop dancing and dodging by asking questions, trying to start side arguments and distraction. In short stop being the jerk that you always have been. But I guess being a jerk is a lifestyle for you. Most of the atheists are lifelong jerks.

          • Greg Forschler

            From wikipedia-

            The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model that describes the early development of the universe.
            It never states that ‘something came from nothing’, it has nothing to do with what state things were in before that. That is something you made up.

          • johnsmith500

            Once again, you are arguing about things that you have 0 clue in. Just how old are you anyway?You sound like an angry spoiled teenager who can’t even read.
            Read again what I said and then go read the basics of the big bang theory. Your failed copy/paste of drivel from atheist sources made you look even worse.
            The whole big bang theory is based on a a “small particle that exploded” yet can’t explain where did that particle came from and ASSumes (just like you) that it is OK to ignore that part.
            (Not to mention that it is ironically calling that particle “god particle” and yet no one can still find it, even after millions of tax payer money wasted)

            That is a standard way from atheists to rely on junk science that evades the basic question. Where did this come from?

            “Oh, but it does not say that, it explains things and how they happened, it does not say where this came from”

            It seems that you are not familiar with few things like credibility, and solid foundation.
            When you attack others and claim that you have the answer, but can’t provide it, you lose credibility. When you are have no solid foundation for your theory, it gets trashed.
            Get used to this and to getting trashed until you start relying on real science.

          • Greg Forschler

            Either god created it all from something that already existed, in which case he didn’t create everything, or he created it from nothing, in which case you believe that something came from nothing, while accusing others of believing this. Which is it?

          • johnsmith500

            You are still lost.
            Look up the definition of God.
            He creates from NOTHING.
            Humans and magic cannot create, and certainly cannot build something from nothing.
            Why this is not clear for someone like you, a self announced expert on this subject is beyond anyone who uses common sense.

          • Greg Forschler

            “He creates from NOTHING.”
            So you believe that something came from nothing then.

          • johnsmith500

            So what happened to your promise to leave and not argue with a “ignorant person”?
            You lied?
            Yeah, what else is new?

            No, you ignorant reading comprehension impaired retard. Not “something”, God creates, not your imaginary particle or your imaginary primitive form of life.

          • Greg Forschler

            I couldn’t resist. You accuse me of believing that somethign came from nothing and then you proudly proclaim that god created something from nothing.
            But now you’re saying ‘not “something”‘ you mean he doesn’t create “something”? So what does he create of not something? Nothing? Clearly he created something and as you pointed out it came from nothing. Exactly what you accuse me of thinking.

          • johnsmith500

            “I couldn’t resist. ”
            Translation: I lied.

            You lost the argument, got beat with facts and lied.

          • Greg Forschler

            “in the most stupid and pathetic way, asked who created God, which means you don’t understand basic definition of a word/concept that you claim to understand and disagree with.”
            You can’t get around it by how you define the word “god”, either things require a creator, in which case so does god, or things don’t require a creator. Either way you lose. And again, you will fail to understand this, you are not capable of even getting why this is an issue at all.
            Evolution has been observed in the lab, that ship has sailed, and you missed it. Even most Christians and hard core creationists acknowledge this, they just create pathetic ways to deal with it and their theology.
            Came back when you have some evidence for your invisible friend, then we’ll talk.

          • johnsmith500

            Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber. You continue to sink lower.

            “either things require a creator, in which case so does god, or things don’t require a creator. Either way you lose. And again, you will fail to understand this, you are not capable of even getting why this is an issue at all.”

            LOL!!!!
            Really?Please tell me you are not serious?I think you should consider a career in the entertainment business. You make professional clowns look amateurish.

            So you fail to understand the basic defintion of God, and now require a create for the creator, and I am the one who failed and cannot understand?
            BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

            Here is one simple definition you can look up from your favorite resource.
            “the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.”

            Does the “Supreme” part give you a clue.
            How did he become God or even defined as God if there was creator of him.

            Ask for brain as a gift this Christmas.

            “Evolution has been observed in the lab,”

            Really?Where?
            You mean they have put a “primitive form of life” in some lab, someone sat there for billions of years and watched it magically morph into a dinosaur, and then monkey and then a human?

            Wheres this mythical lab exist?

            Remember, the ones in your dreams or what the voices in your head do not count.

            “that ship has sailed, and you missed it.”

            Boy I am glad I did. I am not that stupid or naive to buy into snake oil type pseudo-science pushed by politicians who want to claim that they are scientists relying on an unproven THEORY from a questionable human who had doubts about his own theory.

            That’s something retards like yourself buy into.

            “Even most Christians and hard core creationists acknowledge this, ”

            Really?

            So that means you can back up this latest crap with some statistics?
            Let’s see that.

            There are few idiots who claim to be Christians yet buy into the evolution nonsense, so what?
            That made them “most Christians”?
            So you fail not only in logic and common sense but also in math, but what else is new?

            How can you or anyone claim they are Christians if they believe in evolution which goes against the very basic concept of Christianity which is God who created all?
            Read the Book of Genesis, for a clue, and then come back here for more education, not that I expect a loud, foul mouthed ignorant fool like yourself to understand, but it’s fun to educate and make fun of idiots like you.

            “they just create pathetic ways to deal with it and their theology.”

            Ahh yes, the good old “its all a mass conspiracy theory” crapware from the victocrat atheists/liberals.

            “Came back when you have

            Came back?
            You mean come back.
            I guess education was lost on you. Not surprising though.

            “some evidence for your invisible friend, then we’ll talk.”

            That’s rich from the same idiot who believes in mythical stuff like that non existent primitive form of life or that small particle that exploded and form the universe existing out of the blue and for no reason.
            You are too stupid to see how stupid you sound, and your glaring hypocrisy needs a whole website to explain it to you.

          • Greg Forschler

            Humans wrote the bible, at different times and long after all the events that it mentioned were supposed to have happened. Thinking that this is a good source for truth is not a sign of intelligence at all. If you were born into a different family in muslim country, you would have been a muslim. You would fall for it hook line and sinker all the same, and be willing to die for it, maybe even kill for it.

          • johnsmith500

            Yes humans who were inspired by God wrote the Bible. Look up the meaning/definition of prophet. Once again you argue about things you have 0 clue about.

            And what’s pathetic (other than your lack of basic reading comprehension that a 2nd grader would have no problem in) you lump Christianity with a death and murder cult like Islam. Really blowing the last piece of your credibility, as little as that was.

            Talk to me when you have some clue in what you are arguing about. Start by actually reading the Bible you are dismissing as “myths”, also look up definitions of basic words, and work your way up from there, because as it is, you are just way too easy for anyone to absolutely destroy in any argument.

          • Greg Forschler

            Oh I see, since they claimed to be prophets that makes it real.

          • johnsmith500

            *Yawn*
            This comes from someone who believes what Darwin claimed, and then it must be real.
            But don’t mind me, I ma just someone who would like to call out the stupidity and hypocrisy in people like yourself.

          • Greg Forschler

            Well, is claiming to be a prophet a believable claim or not?

          • johnsmith500

            Their words and actions spoke for them at that time. When you ignore all history and evidence around you, you are willfully stupid.

            You dismiss them as “con artists” yet you are willing to believe a person who had doubts about his own theories, and the snake oil that you bought.
            Darwin had doubts about his own theories, he even said that there was not a single evolution on record from one species to another, yet people like you took his words and stared a new religion, a cult actually.

          • Greg Forschler

            Science has alot more evidence than just “Darwin claimed it”, where your bible just has that and only that. What is more reasonable, people you don’t even know thousands of years ago claimed to be prophets, or thousands of scientists have made observations? Besides, the two have nothing to do with each other, let’s say Darwin was wrong and never even existed, that still wouldn’t make your prophets anything more than con artists.

          • johnsmith500

            What science have proven the snake oil crap like the evolution and the big bang?Just like a typical ignorant atheist/liberal, you are all talk, loud, foul mouthed, arrogant, and throwing juvenile crap like accusing anyone you disagree with of being con artists.

            Look up real science that prove almost everything in the Bible to be true, but you are willfully stupid. I can understand ignorance which can be cured, but stupidity?There is very little hope for people like yourself. You will find out the truth, count on that.

          • Greg Forschler

            And you still haven’t proven that it is ‘unnatural’ or what that could even mean here, since sexuality itself (finding someone attractive and all the physiology that goes with it) natural. Your resposne was “If homosexuality was natural, then why isn’t everyone, or at least the majority homosexuals?” But this is a complete non sequitur. There are always variations of natural traits in a species.

          • Greg Forschler

            Who has the right to decide for everyone what sexual practices are acceptable? You, because you are so special? I believe in freedom, if it doesn’t harm you then it’s none of your business. Why do you hate individual freedom so much?

          • johnsmith500

            The same one who has the right to decide that polygamy, pedophilia, incest, and other practices are perversions. Or you choose and select what actions are good and bad? Yeah, you are only abiding by laws that you like, and follow rules or agree on standards that you like. It is all about you, and to hell with families, life, decency, morals and common sense.
            Who decides certain things are acceptable and other things are not?You because you are so special?
            Freedom has nothing to do with this. Otherwise pedophiles can claim freedom too. Yes it does harm me and my family and my children. I don’t want this around them. Period.
            YOU and your likes hate individual freedom as seen by your pathetic attacks on religious freedom and the right for peaceful protests. Have you already forgotten what is this article about?
            Not my fault if you have short memory span and have everything backwards.

          • Greg Forschler

            “Yes it does harm me and my family and my children. I don’t want this around them.” I could say this about you, I don’t want people like you around me and my family and my children. So there. Just using your own argument…and now you’re gonna whine about it.
            We decide what is legally acceptable by seeing if it has a victim or not, not by a person victimizing themselves by just whining about it like you just did.
            Meanwhile religion has been used to justify polygamy and pedophilia (in many religious cultures girls are married off at age 13 for example).

          • johnsmith500

            “We decide”? Who’s “we”?Got a turd in your pocket?
            You probably think that you are “the voice of the people” too.

            “not by a person victimizing themselves by just whining about it”

            You must be talking about yourself. I mean no one is this stupid to take all this backwards.

            YOU victimize yourself and live in forever “but I am victim” mode, which is why your likes are labeled victocrats, and you were just blasted for being exactly that, claiming you are victimized by religion and even right in this same paragraph you claim others were victimized by religion, effectively shooting your own argument down and shooting yourself in the foot, Just how stupid are you?Coming back and claiming that I “whined and victimized” myself just for rejecting indecency and homosexuality and stating FACTS that it had destroyed many lives, I know several people who were devastated when member of their families came out and told them that they were gay/lesbian. You claim to be an advocate for them, and claim to be in this for the “personal freedom” yet I can bet you’d refuse to even shake hands with a gay person and refuse live withing 5 miles from a gay person in your area.
            I have seen your type come and go. All fake, all about controlling others and pushing people who stick to their faith and family values around just because you are too stupid to read the book you criticize and too stupid to know the difference between a faith, cults and oppressive societies.
            But then again, you are a libera/atheist. You fit the profile.

          • Greg Forschler

            I don’t claim to be victimized at all. I claim some people are though.

            “..and stating FACTS that it had destroyed many lives”. You haven’t stated any facts about this, just an empty claim.

            ” I know several people who were devastated when member of their families came out and told them that they were gay/lesbian” You’ve got to be effing kidding me. You really think this is a good example? Just because someone is devestated by it does not make it someone else’s fault, that’s like me claiming to be devestated that your wife is so ugly, or that my kids turned out to be religious. If you cannot recognize what BS this is then you are truly lost. That is the lamest argument. You’re basically saying “this group is bad because other people don’t like them and are upset when they are around”. Are you for real, are you this stupid? Out of all your pathetic attempts at explaning things, this is bad, even for you.

            I have and have known people who are, male and female, bi and gay, and I have shaken their hands. Once again you are wrong. Big surprise.

            “All fake, all about controlling others and pushing people who stick to their faith and family values around just because you are too stupid to read the book you criticize and too stupid to know the difference between a faith, cults and oppressive societies.
            But then again, you are a libera/atheist. You fit the profile.”
            You spew alot of accusations and hot air but you never really say much. You say crap like this but can never really refute the things I actually say.

          • Greg Forschler

            You accuse me of non sequiturs and now you’re talking about the big bang. This just gets more amazing everyday.

          • johnsmith500

            Try to keep up with your own arguments, son.
            YOU asked what junk science, and I listed samples. I was not the one who brought up off topic crap. YOU did.
            I agree, watching you chase your own tail is amusing. I mean you rarely come across someone who has such short memory span and shots himself in the foot accusing others of things he has done.

          • Greg Forschler

            “When you refuse to even read scientific research, and use common sense, then rely on junk science, and then comeback and tell me that I have not used any facts, what is left out there in such discussions?”
            Remember when you typed that? That was you mentioning “junk science”. You are implying here that I used “junk science” in our discussion, so I am asking you what junk science you think I used. Wow. Dude, are you going to deny that this is your quote?? What are you smoking? You brought it up, not me.

          • johnsmith500

            Are you like this in real life too?Or stupidity just hits you when you sit in front of your computer?
            I posted an opinion, nothing implied in it. An accurate opinion that you rely on junk science in pretty much all of your arguments (as seen by your pathetic attempt “it is by choice” troll) and YOU asked for calirfication, which I gave several examples of. Are you going to whine about this for the next decade or so trying to score a point after getting publicly humiliated for being arrogant and stupid?
            Not my fault if you can’t follow your own arguments. As for who is on something, look in the mirror, or better yet, read your own comments, you’ll see someone either high or on some sort of drugs. Please don’t tell me you mix anti-depressants with alcohol, which is a common practice among Liberals/atheists these days. No wonder almost all of them are unstable and angry, just like you.

          • Greg Forschler

            “An accurate opinion that you rely on junk science in pretty much all of your arguments (as seen by your pathetic attempt “it is by choice” troll) and YOU asked for calirfication, which I gave several examples of”
            How is this junk science, I’m just asking you how a straight person could choose to be gay. And you still haven’t been able to attempt an answer to this even though you claim here that you gave ‘several’ examples.
            Don’t you see the problem, that a person would only choose to be ‘gay’ if they were attracted to a member of the same sex, but having that feeling could not be a choice, acting on it could be, the instinct is what makes them want to act on this, and how could this be a choice. Why/how could one choose to feel attracted to another person if they weren’t already…you can’t escape the logic here, it’s a catch-22.

          • johnsmith500

            So what was posted went flying over your head again?Yeah, as expected. You are so predictable that I almost feel sorry for you.
            I explained to you how lost and confused you are, not my fault if you can’t follow your own arguments. Search for the “you can’t have it both ways” post. Maybe you can disappoint us and manage to comprehend what you read.

          • Greg Forschler

            I know my own arguments, I’m waiting to hear yours…..

          • johnsmith500

            “I know my own arguments”? You do? This must be a joke. You were caught and called out several times for getting lost and not being able to keep track of your own arguments, failing to make a single point so far.

            “I’m waiting to hear yours”

            Thanks for admitting that reading comprehension is something you are not familiar with, and confirming it too.

          • Greg Forschler

            And yet you still don’t answer it, so I’ll re-post.
            I’m asking you how a straight person could choose to be gay.
            Don’t you see the problem, that a person would only choose to be ‘gay’ if they were attracted to a member of the same sex, but having that feeling could not be a choice, acting on it could be, the instinct is what makes them want to act on this, and how could this be a choice. Why/how could one choose to feel attracted to another person if they weren’t already…you can’t escape the logic here, it’s a catch-22.
            This is it, but you will just not answer it and claim I don’t know my own arguments again and again, sprinkled with some insults and accusations of failure. How ironic.

          • johnsmith500

            You continue lying insulting, throwing nastiness, and dancing around the point. But hey that is expect from a douche like you.
            That “oh so important and not off topic question” of yours was answered, but like I said, you are reading comprehension challenged. Go back to the “you can’t have it both ways” comment, assuming you know how to find posts. Ask your 8 year old neighbor to help you if you can’t. But getting an answer from you regarding your claims that you failed to back is another story on its own.

          • Greg Forschler

            You’re the one claiming you could choose to be aroused by the same sex, tell me how you would do this? I can’t imagine being able to.

          • johnsmith500

            When did I say that? Other than the voices in your head telling you so, please point me where did I say or even discuss that.

          • Greg Forschler

            So you’re saying it is not a choice?

          • johnsmith500

            Wait, you are now using words that I never said and topics that I never discussed trying to score a point?
            That’s weak and low, even for someone like you.

          • Greg Forschler

            I’m just trying to get you to answer the question, which you keep evading. Do you think it is a choice or not?

          • johnsmith500

            Actually no, you are trying to score a point to feel better, after losing the argument and getting called out for posting nonsense and hate filled comments. In short a weak troll attempt.
            Why you keep trying to insert something that I never discussed and was never even mentioned?Are you really that desperate?You have a point to score with someone that smacked you earlier, take it up with them.
            Talk to me on topic, the questions and points you keep dodging and running away, maybe I would consider taking you seriously then. But then again, this is expected from people like you.

          • Greg Forschler

            I’ve responded to your points. But part of the issue has to do with if it is a choice or not. If it is a choice, one would have to explain how a straight person could choose to find a memeber of the same sex appealing, without already being gay. If it is not a choice, then one has to explain how there can be any blame put on them. But you have not, and will not, answer this important question, because if you even try, you will fail. Go for it, I need another laugh.

          • Greg Forschler

            I see. No answer. Well played.

          • johnsmith500

            Not everyone is like you, 24/7 online aimlessly trolling on random websites acting as an apologists for perverts.

            I didn’t see your comment above before. I just saw your latest whining. Dude, stop being a weak troll. You’re not even an original one.

      • Clifford Michael

        From the looks of things, you can keep your city.

      • Jamie Lewis

        hope you choke on a nig’r dikk and or die of AIDS, or both if that’s possible

        • Greg Forschler

          You don’t happen to vote republican by any chance, do you?

          • johnsmith500

            You are not only ignorant, but also a judgmental too.

      • johnsmith500

        You speak as if you are critical of ignorance, yet you are a ignorant person. Look in the mirror.

  • Americandream11

    I pray that lady who was one of the biggest problems, got arrested too! What a B!!! I’d sue the crap out of her! How is this NOT a hate crime?? It would be if it was the other way around!! The whole ‘hate crime’ thing is bogus! Everything bad is done in hate~ why do only a few groups get this ‘special’ status? That’s not ‘equality’, that is treating some as less worthy than others!

  • Poser, the

    I’m Angry Too!

  • soljerblue

    I have to wonder why that bald tub of guts who was in the vanguard didn’t get his fat @zz stomped into the ground.

  • stratman51

    Religious beliefs aside, homosexuality is a uniqely human error. At the risk of sounding clinical, the desire and capability to perform sexual intercourse is to assure the continuation of a species by reproduction. It’s only humans that confuse the issue with selfish hedonistic practices. Same-sex unions cannot produce offspring – evidence that Nature seldom makes mistakes; natural selection at work.
    It is humans that “bypass” the natural scheme of things and conceive by in-vitro means or adopt perhaps to justify their own existence. In any case, the fact is that homosexuality is definitely not something one is born with; if it were, why do some people turn out to be gay later in life?
    You’re not born gay any more than a person is born to be a killer. It’s a conscious choice; one that is contrary to the laws of physiology.

  • William

    Some of these comments are hilarious. Others are completely slanted in there own direction. As far as the video is concerned… the individuals instigating the preacher should have been approached by the lgbt organizers and asked to leave so as to keep the focus on there own agenda. By letting it escalate it hurts there cause. I have seen individuals attack the christians or others of religious beliefs. Also there have been comments about how the christian religion has killed millions of people. To those I have to ask. Are you so naive that you can’t figure out the difference from 100s of years ago to the present? We are suppose to learn from our past not dwell on it. To the religious commenters. It is not our place to judge. God will pass judgement. Those without sin cast the first stone. Remember that? Personally homosexualtity to me is disgusting to ME. Should they be treated equally? yes! Does the church have to except them? no! If a business chooses not to serve them it is that businesses choice. Take your business elseware. Or start your own business in competion with them. That is what is so great about capitalism. The more you let the government make your decisions for you the more you will regret it later! There are no free rides. Just remember anyone forced into something will eventually find a way to rebel and those doing the forcing will pay a heavy price as history has shown us time and time again. Which is why governments disarm the people so they are easier to control.

    • Big_Jake

      I wish I had more thumbs up! Well put.

    • Jamie Lewis

      read the Book (Bible), it’s say’s “you are to judge ALL things, chiefly Yourself”

      • William

        Yes you should read the book again and again till you understand it better. You have alot of hatred and anger. Which the book you speak of is clearly against. That is assuming we are using the same version of the Bible. I refer to the old and new testament of the king james. I am not foolish enough to presume I am better than others or have more rights than other citizens of the US.

    • Carolyn Rollins

      They do not pass judgement. They are preaching God’s word. How else would the people learn?

      • William

        When I speak of judgement. I am talking of some ot the commenters. Not the 2 peacefully exercising there rights in the video. I have no problem with people learning the word if that is what they choose to do. You can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink.

    • Roman Empire

      ‘If a business chooses not to serve them it is that businesses choice. Take your business elseware. (sic) Or start your own business in competion (sic) with them. That is what is so great about capitalism.’ Wow, talk about living in la la land! You surely can’t be serious about a business, even if it’s a personally owned business, turning away someone due to their sexual orientation. Can you? The politically correct left would crucify it. Huffington Post and the ’99%’ would make sure of this. BTW, if this situation had been reversed, it would have been described as a ‘hate crime.’ Why is it not the same here?

      • William

        Its a double standard. If your white and christian it is open season. No I don’t live in la la land. Personally I would not turn people away there money spends just as well as anyone elses. I know full well that the left would crucify and have done so to businesses. I just prefer to give an alternative that would be more productive. I have been refused service once because I did not have the proper attire. I had no idea they had a dress code. Instead of making a big deal about it. I just went across the street and spent my money there! Obviously I am not the best writer! I can see how my sentence drew your response.

  • Merle Dickey

    Well our government gave them power so now we normal folks will have to live with it or start packing to protect ourselves.This just a start.

    • Xscilune

      And just what is YOUR definition of normal?I bet you are anything but normal.

      • Merle Dickey

        I’m so normal I would bore you.

  • scotfahey

    Equal Justice Under Law? yea like that would ever happen

  • Judy Glenn

    Jesus Told His prophets . Go & Preach the gospel ,so all will hear my word . If You Love Me .

  • 4everAmerican

    After watching the video, it appears to me that the disgusting shirtless man and the loud mouth drunk woman were together (as a couple) and were the main in instigators. Why was she not arrested for public intoxication? Child endangerment? Where was this child while she was off spewing vulgar language and ranting like a complete idiot? Then the cop removes a beer from the top of stroller….. wow just wow. Classy! And yes I would like to know where’s the tolerance? The preacher has just as much freedom of speech as they do, you don’t see the 2 men getting violent just a few disgusting loud mouth people. Although I don’t have the same values as the people at this pride get together, I don’t agree with the label or title of this article – it’s not a lesbian mob. It’s a fat, disgusting drunk guy and his loud foul mouthed drunk girlfriend engaging in the majority of the fight who where probably there because they had nothing better to do in their lives that day. Come on they are hanging out, getting drunk, with their child in tow. Disgusting! (he should have been arrested just for subjecting people to seeing him shirtless)

    • Kblankenship7

      Why do you call it a “fight”? There was no fighting by the man with the sign. It was an attack,

  • stratman51

    This whole “discussion” has turned into an insult fest.
    Obama automatons all follow the party line…rally around King Barack, no matter what he says….lemmings.
    Can we agree to disagree?
    .

  • John G.

    ” After watching the video, it appears to me that the disgusting shirtless man and the loud mouth drunk woman were together (as a couple) and were the main in instigators. Why was she not arrested for public intoxication? Child endangerment? Where was this child while she was off spewing vulgar language and ranting like a complete idiot?”

    A good question. Why was the woman with the baby not arrested? Did the fact that one of the officer’s is wearing a rainbow necklace have anything to do with the woman not being arrested? If so, shame on the Seattle PD.

    • AlanCR

      Another good point.

  • John G.

    Exactly why was one of Seattle’s finest allowed to wear a rainbow necklace over her uniform (towards the end of the video clip)?

    Maybe this small fact goes a long way in understanding this violence in Seattle.

    Perhaps the Seattle Police Chief and other high-ranking Seattle political Gay Rights supporters need to be recalled?

    • AlanCR

      Good point.

    • Rogue Reflections

      My suspicion is to show some kind of solidarity to the people they serve. This is just my opinion.

  • James Crooke

    Its a public park and I do believe all people have the right to be there. As long as they are non violent why the big deal. You voice your opinion and that should be the end of it.

    • czynik

      Very true, funny people think this whole group is represented by 1 or 2 bad actors but they don’t think 1 or 2 bad actors in a Tea Party rally should represent the whole group.

      It’s called situational ethics or more commonly … rampant hypocrisy.

  • handgunnar

    The perverts really helped their cause, didn’t they? No wonder most normal people don’t want them around the Boy Scouts.

    • Esther

      Right on point once again, handgunner!

  • Esther

    It’s our boys! Wake up America to what is happening to our youngsters if we let it.

  • BBJOHN

    Turdburgalars Beware,God will punish you,Your day’s of reckoning are coming

  • Kim

    Well they shouldn’t have attacked them, they should have ignored them. Now people will use this to prove that gay people are evil or something. Now everyone has good people and bad people, but guess what gay people are not pedophilic god-hating sociopaths. I know it makes some of you feel better about yourselves to think so. This is definitely a horrible thing that happened. They should have ignored the ignorant protesters.

    • johnsmith500

      “They should have ignored the ignorant protesters.”

      Really? So someone reminding others that what they are doing is a sin, is an ignorant?But you, the apologist for the sinners is the oh-so-knowledgeable?

      Speaking of God haters, do you think that doing what is explicitly mentioned in the Bible as sin is not hating God?What are you going to claim next? Yeah, some gays and lesbians go to church, claim they love God, but conveniently ignore certain parts of the Bible and just take what they like and select what they believe in. I know claiming that they love God makes them and yourself feel good, but the reality is, they are not true believers in God. Yes, you can go to church and even claim to be praying, but that means nothing. Read Matthew 7:23 to understand why. But I doubt that you would even understand, and you’ll probably respond with condescending remarks and personal attacks which is typical.

      • Kim

        Oh, I’m not a sin-apologist. I’m a lesbian. My wife is, too. Both of us were raised in church. I even went to a Christian college and attempted reparative therapy. I have read the Bible. And I guess at age ten when I realized I liked girls it was God giving me up to my sins, right? And there are so, so many other Bible verses being ignored here.

        I stand by what I said. Most good, honest people are uneducated about gay people. They believe lies about gay people being STD filled polygamous atheists. If we were really that bad. Of course you should be filled with self-righteous indignation. But we are not. Sucks that a few jerks had to ruin it for the rest of us. I just attended a very peaceful pride festival a few weeks ago but people who want to believe we are immoral will only hear about this one. My goal is to educate, and to help people like the suicidal teens who hear hatred from all sides.

        • johnsmith500

          Obviously that Christian church and college both failed to educate you. What verses of the Bible I am ignoring? Please be specific.
          “it was God giving me up to my sins”
          This comes from someone who claims to have read the Bible.
          You may have read the Bible, but you certainly have no clue what it says and fail to understand it.

          What is there to educate? That you want to twist religion, society, faith, the Bible, and even standards to fit your views?There are some of us who do not fall for that.
          Yes, you can go to church, it is the house of God, everyone is welcome there, even sinners, but does that make you a Christian or a believer in God?No it does not when you violate and go against the basic principle and basic teachings of the Bible.

          Speaking of the self righteous indignation, I guess your ” I know it makes some of you feel better about yourselves to think so” certainly fits that description, so it seems that you speak from personal experience.

          Bottom line on this, it is a sin and it is a perversion, You chose to live like that, that’s your decision and you’ll have to answer for it one day before the true living God. I can’t force you against what you chose, nor I am interested in doing so, but please do not take that as if what you are doing is the right thing, or as if you are a true Christian or even mistake yourself for a Christian or a believer in the living God. Also please do not insult our intelligence by posting some randomly selected stereotypes that some say about you to show that you are persecuted or that you are victim, because non of that is true.

        • Paul Baylis

          Kim, don’t be a lesbian. It is sinful. Pray deeply about it and trust God.

          • Xscilune

            Paul grow up!

    • Paul Baylis

      As the Holy Bible says “By their fruits ye shall know them”. We continue to see examples of those disobeying God coming out looking the worst in these types of conflicts, be it over abortion, homosxuality or whatever. That says a LOT!

    • Rogue Reflections

      I am not sure…I can’t quite say for sure, but I don’t think the main aggressors The fat guy, his “woman,” or the little guy that was his brother) were gay. I think they may have been LGBT supporters. After filming this and showing my LGBT friends, they were outraged and said they would have protected the “preachers” even though they did not agree with their message.

  • Melissa Katsmom Votano

    A gay friend of mine, who recently moved to California, was visiting San Francisco and was invited to a “Pride Party”. He shared on Facebook that he would never attend another one because they were “freaking crazy out there”.

  • http://www.rawstory.com/ Mark (MarkusGarvey) Estrada

    They had a right to be there, but perhaps they should have left when they could see people we getting agitated…What do y’all think about Westboro Church?…same deal…

    • Uomo Senzanome

      These folks were nowhere near as hateful and purposely agitating as WBC. The people who got agitated have some responsibility for controlling their emotions and actions. They were completely inappropriate in their screaming and shoving. The “provocation” was extremely mild. I blame them, and thus, no, I don’t think it was incumbent on the preacher and friend to leave. We should not allow bullies to silence people who are not being abusive in speaking their mind.

    • Rogue Reflections

      WBC actively peruses people who are hurting and makes (what I consider to be) hateful and inflammatory speech towards those people. The street “preachers” in my video were simply being free Americans and exercising their freedoms of speech. Their signs didn’t even address their views on homosexuality. The street “preachers” are ass much a part of pride as my LGBT friends. They can be counted on to be at Pride every year.

  • paul

    wow! you christians are such wonderful people

    walk into the middle of a gay parade with a sign implying they are all evil then act like butter wouldn’t melt in your mouths when something happens “its a public park!”

    “get the police a horrible man thumped my preacher! he was just standing their minding his own business”

    and have someone there on hand to film it all,(what a coincidence) and then title it “lesbian mob beats street preacher, wow!”

    i’m a bit worried god wont want you in heaven tami ? you seem to be a bit of a stirrer

    • Rogue Reflections

      If you are implying that I filmed this, in cooperation or coordination with any of the parties present, you are absolutely incorrect. I happened to be able to film this, because I happened to be there to get videos and photos of the event. I was equally curious about this person’s wording for their title of the interpretation of my video.

  • Erin Ashley Hedges

    Quiet my *ss, they were yelling at the people. By the way, these people are exactly what we deal with on a daily basis, we don’t ask you people to show up and start screaming at us like a Fort Benning Drill Sgt., yet you do it anyways. Some of you resort to death threats against us just for being different, then use every hateful slur you can think of. There is absolutely nothing right in this whatsoever, especially against a group that wants nothing more than to be treated as human equals. We do not want to destroy the human race, you people are mentally insane for believing we do. We’re just people. Many of us are God fearing christians, yet you’d beat us to death with a brick if you could. This is so wrong it hurts at a personal level. Your news sources lie to you to get ratings, and you blindly follow them like sheep to the slaughter. Your impact on the world is far more dangerous than any we could possibly have

    • Rogue Reflections

      Which people are you referring to as the ones who were yelling?

      • Erin Ashley Hedges

        The ones holding the signs, telling people they were going to hell. I guess you’ve never been to an anti-gay protest, but those people get downright nasty

        • Rogue Reflections

          Erin: I am the one who filmed this. This video exists because I was the one behind the camera. So, I think I can safely say I have been there. These “preachers” were not yelling at anyone. The video clearly shows they were the ones being yelled at and attacked. I don’t agree with what these preachers have to say. In fact, I have heard them tell Christians they were going to hell. That said, they have the right to say what they want to say. None of their signs even addressed the LGBT life.They are just as much part of Pridefest as my LGBT friends. They are there every year.