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1LT Clint Lorance

By Tami Jackson

In August 2013 Army 1LT Clint Lorance, 28, of Celeste Texas, was found guilty of 2 counts of murder.

Lt. Lorance volunteered to serve two combat tours; 15 months in Iraq and 7 months in Afghanistan. But upon his return home, the ground combat platoon leader in the 82d Airborne Division was sentenced to 20 years in Ft. Leavenworth on two counts of murder.

What was his crime?

Allen West details on his Facebook page:

In July 2012, 1LT Lorance ordered the engagement of two Taliban scouts who were tracking his platoon’s movements while on a patrol in Kandahar province, a platoon that had recently experienced losses, including the previous Platoon Leader.

According to our ridiculous Rules of Engagement, soldiers in a combat zone are told to hold their fire unless there is evidence of hostile action or direct hostile intent.

I spent two and a half years in southern Afghanistan, and we all knew the Taliban utilized fighters on motorcycles and cell phones as scout/trackers. If there are enemy combatants reporting your patrol movements in order to facilitate an attack, how is that not hostile intent?

CPT William Miller, the government prosecutor, said 1LT Lorance “used his rank and position to harass, intimidate, threaten, and murder Afghans.”

What an incredible dilemma for our men and women in combat: fight and kill the enemy and be sent to prison. Or be killed by the enemy and be denied your death gratuity benefits.

This is utter BS and I implore true Americans, and veterans, to melt down the White House, DoD, and Department of the Army phone lines and email.

To further explain the ludicrous parameter of our military’s ROE (Rules of Engagement), consider the words of Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell, from his epic narrative, Lone Survivor:

Our rules of engagement in Afghanistan specified that we could not shoot, kill, or injure unarmed civilians. But what about the unarmed civilian who was a skilled spy for the illegal forces we were tying to remove? What about an entire secret army, diverse, fragmented, and lethal, creeping through the mountains in Afghanistan pretending to be civilians?

But we were also told that we could not shoot that camel drover before he blew up all of us, because he might be an unarmed civilian just taking his dynamite for a walk.

And a couple pages further:

The truth is, in this kind of terrorist/insurgent warfare, no one can tell who’s a civilian and who’s not. So what’s the point of framing rules that cannot be comprehensively carried out by anyone?

Rules that are unworkable, because half the time no one knows who the goddamned enemy is, and by the time you find out, it might be too late to save your own life. Making sense of the ROEs in real-time situations is impossible.

Luttrell sums up the problem of ROE written up by political heads in the safe and sterile environment of DC:

Thus we have an extra element of fear and danger when we go into combat against the Taliban or al Qaeda — the fear of our own, the fear of what our own navy judge advocate general might rule against us, the fear of the American media and their unfortunate effect on American politicians.

This is what our soldiers are up against. Marcus Luttrell’s worst case scenario was played out in real life for 1LT Clint Lorance.

Lorance was concerned with safeguarding his platoon in a land where, in the words of Marcus Luttrell, “These terrorists/insurgents know the rules…They’re not their rules. They’re our rules, the rules of the Western countries, the civilized side of the world.”

A site has been set up, Veteran Lieutenant Lorance, where Americans can sign a petition, write Congress, make donations, or become a Regional Campaign Manager to help defend and free Lorance.

The video below lays out the case.

“Okay…let me get this straight. President Obama can order drone Hellfire missile strikes in Afghanistan…knowing full well all the civilians in the building and area will be killed as well (some 7,000 killed)…but one soldier gives an order to protect his platoon from what could be a suicide bomber, and kills 2 in a war zone, and HE gets charged with murder?”

That’s about the size of it. And these actions are indeed pure BS.

Army 1LT Clint Lorance is a hero and deserves our honor, not censure or prison time.

 
 
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  • Alexxthegreat

    The enemy is no longer at the gates…the enemy is in the Oval Office.

    • Michael King

      yes thats true enemy is here…our so called goverment

      • Michael King

        they should be tared and feathered and ran out on a rail…

        • Bob O’Hara

          They?

    • Furbabys Tails

      Isn’t it the truth. The antichrist was ushered in.

  • axmickl

    The enemy is in our own military. How can any american kid even think of joining the military? My grandson mentioned that he was thinking of enlisting. I pointed out the military’s bad habit of sacrificing its own people for no good reason. We have traitors in the military justice system and they are the ones who should be going to prison.

    • PaC SGM (R)

      If this were Pine Land they would be in front of the peoples court.

    • zombiekiller117

      Encourage him to join the coast guard or a local civil defence organisation that deals with natural disasters instead, that way he’s actually doing something for the people, not the politicians.

    • willie Bonney

      Let him enlist in the Military. Why do you think a meathead like you, AXMICKI has FREEDOM!! Because of the UNITED STATES MILITARY.

      • axmickl

        Willie,This meathead spent 7 years of my life as a US Army Special Forces trooper protecting your miserable being and was proud to serve. Who can be proud to serve under a lying traitor who leaves our people in danger under attack and then cuts their benefits before he takes back the free cell phones? Don’t preach to me about Military service unless you have put in as many hard years of service as I did. And I don’t mean just wearing the uniform. I mean putting your life on the line every damned day.

  • PaC SGM (R)

    So damn tired of these goat roping jackasses at state that instruct the military on what to do from the safety of the green zone.
    The guy from 11th GRP. got it right the troops have become the scape goat for state.
    The LT. did the right thing protecting your troops at all cost, just hate to see him suffer for it.

    • willie Bonney

      The lt. did on wrong. He done the right thing. This old war dog would have done the same thing. He should be release. The real rules of engagement says to close with he enemy and destroy him. Ho do you destroy the enemy? By killing him. 24 years in the Army, with 2tours in Vietnam.

      • tamij

        Thank-you for your service, Willie! This whole story has me sick at heart…which is why I felt compelled to write the article.

        Now if I wrote the ROE? Simple: STAY ALIVE AND KEEP YOUR TROOPS ALIVE.

  • zombiekiller117

    It seems ROE don’t apply to drone operators sitting in their underground bunkers drinking coffee.
    They ONLY apply to people at risk of getting killed.
    WHY would anybody fight for such a corrupted system that actively hates White people and is giving away the USA to 3rd Worlders ?

    • Ian

      Great point!

    • Really Though

      Who or what is the corrupted system that actively hates white people?

      And are people killed by drones any less, or more DEAD than those killed by a soldiers gun fire?

      And if the Army is using Lt. Lorance as a scapegoat, doesn’t that mean the Army believes that Lt. Lorance, or they themselves are in the wrong? Why would the U.S. Army need to appease a government they installed themselves? Drone strikes kills Afghan civilians almost every day. Yet, the U.S. armed forces simply apologize while launching even more. I believe there’s a lot more at play other than appeasement and dead Afghan civilians.

      As far as Allen West’s comments, I’ll give no credence to his blathering. West admitted he was “possibly” wrong about an alleged planned attack on his unit. He also admitted that his soldiers beat an Iraqi police officer, then firing his gun near the mans head. Subsequently it was found no threat existed and no weapons or evidence was found to collaborate West’s suspicions of a planned attack.

      • Bob O’Hara

        We didn’t go to Afghanistan so terrorists could plan attacks against us. We went there because they carried out, or facilitated one attack against us. Until they surrender they should be killed at every opportunity of their making, or ours.

        • Really Though

          Didn’t go to Afghanistan so terrorists could plot attacks??? HUUUUUH? Perhaps I’m mistaken, but isn’t what’s going on in Afghanistan called a “WAR?” Yes, they did attack us. But now the game has moved to their backyard. It’s rather foolish to think that they won’t fight back…

          Frankly, I believe this war is exactly what the terrorists wanted. The fanatic Islamic Jihadists want’s a war of attrition. Because of their extreme blind zeal and religious fanaticism, they’ve convinced themselves a protracted fight with the US would somehow bend in their favor. I believe that we will be “killing terrorists” for many years to come.

          • Bob O’Hara

            Really Though you misinterpreted my remark. I didn’t say we went there to carry out a protracted war. I hope you don’t you mean to say the LT should have let those Afghanis alone because against us is justified.

          • Really Though

            No. Those who attacked us want a protracted war and conflict. Willingly or not, the US has obliged.

            In a “War” (in the common definition which involves violent means), people kill, and people get killed. So in War, all killing is justified by some, most or all, depending on which side you’re on. I wasn’t there when Lt Lorance killed the Afghan man. My point, however is that the Lt. was sent as a soldier to fight a war and kill. That’s what he did. Frankly I wouldn’t have charged him with anything.

            By the same token, it’s foolish to think that an Afghan fighter given the opportunity wouldn’t have killed the Lt.
            So yes, they feel justified when killing Americans, just as we do killing Afghans or who ever else is involved in the war against us.

          • Bob O’Hara

            Yea, you misinterpreted my comment.

            “Until they surrender they should be killed at every opportunity of their making, or ours.”

          • Really Though

            I understand your comment. If they do not surrender, they should be killed. That’s what you’re saying, right? Point taken…

            My point is very simple also. This is a war conceived by, and perpetrated by religious fanatics. This is exactly what they wanted. They will not surrender. We will be fighting these types of wars for many years to come.

          • Bob O’Hara

            We won’t be fighting many of these types of wars after Muslims are eradicated. This case is an individual incident regardless of what might continue. The Lt. didn’t go into harms way on his own. He was sent into harms way by Obama, who changed the primary purpose to one of protecting those who wish to harm men in his unit. The likely possibility that Obama’s allies won’t stop unless they are killed is justification for killing Muslims while they’re over there.

          • Really Though

            You have two things wrong here Bob. First off, you say that the “Lt. didn’t go into harms way on his own.” That’s completely untrue. The Army consists of volunteers. The Lt. knew what he was signing up for. Secondly, President Obama has absolutely nothing to do with the Lt.’s assignment in the field. I have a cousin who’s assigned to Schofield Barracks in Hawaii. I’m sure Obama had nothing to do with his assignment.

            And when you say eradicate Muslim, do you mean the people, or the religion?

          • Bob O’Hara

            When in the military people don’t go into harms way on their own.

            I meant Muslims, just as I said.

          • Really Though

            Wrong! When in the military, you do nothing on your own. However, that’s what you “volunteered” to do. Military personnel are paid to do a job, just are Firefighters, Police, Mercenaries, etc…, hell, even your job! If a Firefighter get’s killed doing his job, wouldn’t it be a bit callous to say “he wasn’t doing his job on his own?” Furthermore, why would you want President Obama’s allies to be killed? That’s just crazy. His allies are the ones who fight to protect you!

          • Bob O’Hara

            So point made, the lieutenant didn’t go into harms way on his own. Further, when he volunteered he did so to protect his countrymen and our allies, not terrorists and their allies. Obama changed the mission for the war in Afghanistan to protecting Afghanis instead of protecting Americans. It is a traitorous order and soldiers who ignore it should be applauded. They didn’t give up their humanity by volunteering. They didn’t give up their own families, and they didn’t give up their ability to protect Americans. I don’t know whether the lieutenant belligerently disobeyed orders, but I do know that I don’t want my children, or anybody else’s to go into harms way under orders that give them the choice between being dead or going to Leavenworth.
            We don’t expect firemen to go into a burning building to protect the fire.

          • Really Though

            As I stated in an earlier post, I don’t believe that the Lt. should be charged with anything. Our soldiers are in a declared war zone. It’s kill, or be killed.

            The exact new Rules of Engagement, however, are not available to the general public. We can only go by what’s told from reporters and their sources. I’m almost certain that the ROE is not as “restrictive” as some have led us to believe. Drone Strikes are often indiscriminate, and have been expanded by President Obama. For this reason I find it difficult to believe that, on one hand the president allows for civilian collateral damage in a drone attack, while on the other hand, not allowing for foot soldier collateral damage on civilians. I believe the reports of the restrictive nature of the ROE is just military posturing during a war.

            You have to bear in mind that Hamid Karzai is balancing winning the support of his people, and needing the U.S. Military to keep his “head on his shoulders” (literally). So when civilians get killed, publicly, Karzai will tell his people exactly what they want, and need to hear. He’ll complain about the drone strikes [publicly], yet, you see that they haven’t stopped. On several occasions Karzai has threatened cancel security agreements if “one more strike killed civilians.” On each occasion within days of his “threat”, the US would launch another.

            By now you should well know that the very first casualty of war is “the truth!”

    • OzzWorx

      When is the military going to rise up against The Coward of Benghazi, not to take over the government, but to return the government to the people?

  • dolly bonner

    this is so real, too real. where is Bush Jr. where was Hillary C. we know where Obama was and is, golf. also protecting them. ,, who lets this happen.who has allowed this to happen to such a colored solider. a life time commitment on his part. , we hear all the stories of bombers, children used, now our soliders are armed but are not allowed to protect them selves … well bring them home now. we are done. no purpose to be there. at all. now this man, true to a comittement to a team , to prtect ,what about the other soldiers , what of there word on this… no one even said any word of them with this solider…. ??? anything , ?? at all. ??

    • lraivala

      You ask who let this happen??? We let this happen by allowing this president get re-elected that is who let it happen. No we did not sentences him per se but we most certainly allowed for that liberal kangaroo court convict this young soldier by our in actions at the polls.

  • Joe

    Our men should be able to protect, 70% of our men KIA is on Obama’s watch.

  • jimmy jack james

    FOCK KING KOON OBOZO..

  • Norman S Stahl

    I am surprised that a court-martial comprised of a jury of his peers would convict him. Did he opt for trial by judge alone?

    • Charles Rowin

      you dont get a jury of peers in the army.

      • Norman S Stahl

        BS: I served on active duty in the United States Marine Corps for 22 years. We are subject to the same UCMJ as the Army; a court martial is in effect a jury (unless the accused asks for a trial by judge alone). For an officer, all the members of the court are commissioned officers – albeit senior to him, they all were lieutenants when they began their careers and they probably all served in combat. If the accused is found guilty, that same court/jury determines the sentence and one of the sentences they can award is a sentence of “No Punishment”. That is why I expressed surprise at the verdict and the punishment. Had I been on the court I might have convicted him of disobeying a general order – the ROE (assuming that was charged) but I would not convict him of murder

        • Norman S Stahl

          There may be more to this story than is being reported here.

          • Bob O’Hara

            The jury has the duty of carrying out orders. Orders were set by the ROE made up by Obama. It’s a shame we put a Muslim sympathizer in the Whitehouse while we are at war with Muslims. We should have kicked Obama, and all Muslims out of our country in the ’60s.

          • Norman S Stahl

            I hate Obama; but I have faith in the integrity of the commissioned officers of the armed forces – at least most of them. ( I started out as a private and finished off as a Lt. Colonel of Marines and have great respect for integrity & courage – physical & moral – of America’s warriors) I would like to know the ranks, Mos’s and combat experience of the members of the court. POTUS is actively involved in picking 3 and 4 star generals — and Obama probably is keeping a close eye on 2 stars, but I seriously doubt that he has anything to do with picking Brigadiers other than to rubber stamp the report of the promotion board. To try a 1st Lt the ranking member was probably a colonel.

          • Bob O’Hara

            It’s going o hard to keep faith in commissioned officer if Obama’s military is going to imprison them for doing their duty for their men, and the Constitution.

        • Charles Rowin

          good for you. you do not get a jury of your peers. i dont care how many years you spent being a stand up on line and walk towards a machine gun on full auto marine.

    • chamuiel

      those people on the court martial are obama’s people. he has been planning this and more fore some time by weeding out certain officers.

  • Peter Lloyd Chambers

    This was a jury of liberal officers. They are so caught up in their rules of engagement that nothing else matters. I will bet even money that none of the board officer were combat vets. These judges were not his peers, but his executioners. Combat teaches many lessons to its survivors, the number one and most important lesson is known your enemy and respond first, or die ! ! ! The Lt did his job and I salute him. His honor of his men and their lives was creditable. It is to bad that the US Military is ran by a bunch of Obama Liberal save the world types. Obama is placing this type of people in military post throughout the USA so they will follow his orders without question. Obama wants to change our country to a socialist Communist country and he is not beyond using military force to accomplish the task.
    Democrat leadership in Washington DC, have already shown that they are Un-American, unconstitutional, hate GOD, are undermining women’s rights, and have converted to socialist communism.

  • Paul Deprill

    when I was in boot camp my drill instructor drilled in our heads kill or be killed I would of done the same when your in the warzone u have to protect your brothers he did the right thing Obama and his staff suck they want this and that but its bullshit point blank

  • Scott M Sykes

    One of the reasons I got out of the Army and the 82nd. When it comes to protecting yourself and your soldiers senior officers and those “in charge” don’t care about you only what they can get out of you. I have the greatest respect for my fellow Airborne soldiers at Ft.Bragg and those who Accomplish the Mission and Look out for the Welfare of their Soldiers but I have the most absolute disdain for those who wouldn’t know how to take care of me or my soldiers!

  • Justin Dean Cofer

    We can sit here and complain all we want but until we start dragging these traitors in Washington through the street NOTHING will change. I am so sick of us Veterans getting screwed by cowards. It is time we remind them that WE ARE WHO PROTECTS them and that will honor those have fallen in defense of this Country and refuse to let it continue to be tarnished because of their Polictial Agenda that is not the best interest of this Nation. We everyone swore an OATH to protect this country against enemies foreign and DOMESTIC and I am sad to say our domestic enemy is Washington and we have an obligation to ensure they are removed from office by any means necessary. Let me make all these illegal groups such as Homeland Security, NSA, Etc. jobs easier as I refuse to hide behind a screen name because I fear my government as my government should fear me as a free person who has rights set forth by GOD. Below is my home address because where most only complain I am ready to stand united with my fellow Brothers and Sisters who have served this Nation proudly and I will not bow down to a dictator much less an orgainzation who forces their will upon a free society. You may oppose my views but know this if we fail to stand united NOW we will fall forever and I am afraid we have already done so. We must find a way to come together as our numbers alone can shake Washington to it’s core and again I love this Country but my friends they keep spilling the blood of our Brothers and Sisters and turn their backs on us while they embrace those who only seek to harm this Country so by defintion how are they not traitors. I REFUSE TO HIDE, I REFUSE TO STAND DOWN, and I REFUSE to set quietly and watch my Country that I have bleed for be destroyed and I am sure some dumb ass will have some comment about my comments to be a smart ass and I say to you “YOUR WELCOME” as it is a Soldier not a politician that gives you the right to be a dumb ass.
    My name is:
    https://www.facebook.com/justin.d.cofer

    Justin D. Cofer
    9021 Barbee Lane
    Knoxville, TN 37923
    Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Molon labe

    • tamij

      It is the Soldier, not the minister
      Who has given us freedom of religion.

      It is the Soldier, not the reporter
      Who has given us freedom of the press.

      It is the Soldier, not the poet
      Who has given us freedom of speech.

      It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
      Who has given us freedom to protest.

      It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
      Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

      It is the Soldier, not the politician
      Who has given us the right to vote.

      It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
      Who serves beneath the flag,
      And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
      Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

      ————————————————————-
      And I agree Justin — si vis pacem, para bellum. Thank-you for your service! And thank-you for taking the time to read my article and comment!

      • Furbabys Tails

        What a great article and reply! Thank you for sharing this article.

    • Dennis E. Bos

      Well said and I too use my real name. Together we stand or alone they will pick us off 1 by 1 and we fall.On to Concord then men; we live as free men or we die as free men, but free we will remain!

    • Furbabys Tails

      Your reply leaves me speechless !! Amen

      • Justin Dean Cofer

        Thank you and I mean every single word. If we as Americans would stand united instead of Divided over stupid issues that the media blows out of proportion things CAN change but we are almost at a point of no return. Never let someone tell you that your voice will not be heard because it will and it makes Washington nervouse whenever we come together under one voice. We need a leader I pray we find one.

  • Michael Colicchio

    This is BS; we had similar rules of engagement in Vietnam, and it got more people killed that saved innocent lives. The enemy does not have to be armed to be dangerous. Do you think the person detonating the IED is always armed?

    • Howard

      I too am a Viet Nam Vet. Remember getting orders “not to return sniper fire,
      as it was not to be considered hostile.” Seems our current vets are getting the same
      purple shaft with barbed wire cluster, that we received.

    • tamij

      Thank-you for your service!

  • Rene Brioso

    Please sign a petition to Pardon Lt Lorance!

    http://wh.gov/l9dQZ

  • Peter Field

    Personally, I loved serving our country, but with all the new rules and policies, I am glad that my 35 years is over.

    • tamij

      thank-you for your service!

    • Bill Nix

      Peter I agree with you. I served four years in the Marine Corps with thirteen months in Nam. I cant believe all these rules they have now. Don’t know how they do it. War is hell combat’s a mother****er.

  • George Dreisch

    How are the drone attacks conducted frequently not in violation of these ROI’s? How were those involved in the wikileaks Apache incident not prosecuted? Seems he’s been singled out and burned to facilitate some one.

  • Mary Emerson

    Evidently EVERYONE in our government ,hate these young ‘ some older ” men and women who serve us every day in hostile places in the world ! Seems there is none so hostile as our own government ! These useless bloodsuckers need to be voted OUT ! Or removed by an overwhelming march on Washington to REMOVE them ALL !

  • Norma Kinsey

    This Is WRONG!! to many of our soldiers are being prosecuted for protecting themselves or each other. If they arent going to be allowed to do so pull every single one of them out and send them home. Otherwise let them do the job they were sent to do and shut up. This is just another way our govenment is demoralizing our soldiers and another step to tearing down this once and i mean once great country.

  • Michele Paton

    Where is our country going??We spare muslims because the WH is one of them.Stop enrolling guys,let the democrats go.

    • Michael Ferrullo

      The answer to that one is easy. We have been infiltrated by the muslims. One very big one in the white house who is sending our Tax money to his brother malik who is in the muslim brotherhood. Until this country wakes up and realize the enemy is in our highest offices and will be fema camps and smokey showers for Christians in America

  • Daniel Krukowski

    **** you to cushy mother ****** a$$ kissing ****tards who has the power to mother ****ing screw over the people that do the dirty work. It must be so ****ing easy for them to judge us on our actions sitting behind a desk 24/7 when they are the ones not getting shot at or losing their lives. Those ****ing people need to be the ones dying for letting these people track our movements and giving out the info to the enemy.

    • Daniel Krukowski

      If you don’t agree with what we do to keep ourselves alive the best we can how about you pull each and every one of us out of the line of fire.

  • Michael Ferrullo

    Did anyone tell this poor soul that the real enemy was at home and we have been infiltrated by the enemy?

    • Mary

      We have indeed been infiltrated and we are being destroyed from within.

  • Corey

    Okay. Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch. Just relax… First off, there are ROEs for a reason ( Rules of Engagement) … There is also two types of hostile threats.. ( Hostile Act or hostile intent ). Hostile Act – Gun pointed and shooting at you or your soldiers. Hostile Intent – Implanting an IED.

    I’m not against nor with this situation. I don’t know everything going on. But my OPINION.. One more time.. MY OPINION.. is

    If the Afghanistan civilians weren’t shooting at him, running at him screaming, throwing hand grenades, shooting rockets, mortars, something that clearly shows hostile act or hostile intent he has no rights to engage. This is something that is pounded in a soldiers head. So if he shot and killed those two people with probable cause of hostile intent or hostile act.. He’s wrong. But if there was, then hey.. He’s innocent. But you need to realize something too, where are the sworn statements from his soldiers? Where is everyone else that was there? There doesn’t seem to be enough information..

    Now again, THIS IS MY OPINION, I don’t know the ENTIRE story. But this is a little bit of what should be implementented before you start ranting about whats right and what’s wrong..

    EDIT:// Missed a few things.

    • Bob G

      Liberal puke.

      • Corey

        Not a liberal pal. I just have my own opinions and see things how they are. Not through a political standpoint.

  • Michael Ferrullo

    Truth be told there is alot of truth to the old saying “There is NO RULES in love and war” Don’t send a young man in to do what you yourself are not willing to do and then put him in prison for 20 years because he didn’t do it to your liking. If you want something done the way you want to do it ?…then do it yourself or send one of your two daughters into battle obama.

  • Rodney DeShong

    Kill them all and let God sort them out. Every man , woman, child, dog, cow etc.Cheapest and easiest is no food or aid of any kind, starve them straight to Ala.

    • Corey

      That’s the christian spirit!

      • Bob G

        Just how long do you think we can “turn the other cheek?” Or are you one of those section 8, free cell phone, free medical, snap card holders? I’m guessing you suck the government tit Corey.

        • Corey

          I’m still currently serving. And trust me, I don’t agree with 99% of what the Government has me do. But I signed the dotted line. And until I’m out I have to do what i’m told. There is no turning the other cheek. Service members have nothing to do with these conflicts. They are told ”take this gun and go fight”.. So they do, they are taught to hate Muslims, they are taught are to fight.. So that’s what they are going to do. And situations like this up rise and all of you arrogant tunnel visioned people don’t look at what really goes on. You listen to the political bullshit you hear on the news everyday. Open your eyes please.

          • Bob G

            “THEY are told to take this gun and go fight?” “THEY are taught to hate Muslims?” OMG, you couldn’t be more open in your lies. “I’m still currently serving?” Listen up son and listen carefully. WE are trained in boot camp. WE are trained to fight together. WE serve our country. Go back to your third world country and milk a goat. Idiot!

          • Corey

            Clearly ignoring the point.

            WE.. WE.. WE what? yeah, in the fine print that’s what WE are trained to do. BUT when WE deploy and WE are around others vets from previous tours and WE listen to the political bullshit spoon fed to pathetic people like yourself, grow into bigots.

            Grow up? How about you just open your damn eyes. I’m from the same country you are.

          • Bob G

            70-73 Recon, Idiot. And you can still go milk your goat. Idiot!

          • TAC!

            God bless you Bob, my father served Usmc 67. He told me about the ridiculous roe you guys were forced to comply with, and how many of his friends are dead because of it.

          • Bob G

            Thanks man. It seems that Corey is still stroking his chicken.

          • Bob G

            Tell your old man I said Semper FI and a Happy Belated Birthday

          • TAC!

            I will, thank you for your service as well, I know it was tough over there. But there are those of us that know you did your country proud.

      • chamuiel

        It is not christian. It is Christian, corey.

  • Lee Bishop

    We have the worst politicians in the world. None of them ever had the balls to do their duty.

    “The essence of war is violence. Moderation in war is imbecility.”
    ~ John (Jackie) Arbutnot Fisher, British Admiral

    • Bob G

      We have what we have in DC because good men and women don’t want to live in a cesspool. Would you run for office knowing you had to survive in a septic tank for four to six years? It takes super humans like Ted Cruz to do it but he’s alone in the toilet.

  • BC

    Shoot first, ask questions later ! Give the enemy a chance and he will take your life!

    • Corey

      Unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that.

      • Samuel Clemens

        You take the point on that patrol and see how quickly your values change.

        • Corey

          I have many times. In both Iraq and Afghanistan. You don’t just shoot first and ask questions later in this time of ‘conflict’. You’re an idiot if you believe this.

          • Samuel Clemens

            Many times? If you were ever there, you were a REMF. You think this is a matter of intelligence (idiot) but it is a matter of morals. Only the despicable send our troops in harms way with targets painted on them. Quote: ” You don’t win wars by dying for your country. You win by getting the other SOB to die for his.” Gen George S, Patton. This new tactic causes our casualties to be endless and the war to be forever.

          • Corey

            I’m not trying to argue morals. I’m trying to tell you, regardless of what you all preach about what they should do, or what you should do is the wrong approach. Congrats! I’m glad that in the 1940s you could kill anything that walked in a War. So much has change.

          • Samuel Clemens

            The 1940′s war was the last war we won. Ever year since, tens of thousands of men, women & children are brutally murdered by Islamic terrorist that you hold so precious. How long are you willing to allow this slaughter to go on? While the terrorists know that they have your support, this genocide will continue. The two Taliban are so precious to you, but the 19 dead in “The Lone Survivor” have no value to you.

          • Corey

            I don’t cherish Muslims. I could care less. I hate a lot of Americans as well, I hate a lot of Christians. As a matter of fact, I hate a lot of things. But i’m not going to ‘stereotype’ everyone. And that’s what a lot of people do. I’m trying to educate people that soldiers have rules. Regardless of their morals. That they have to stick by. They signed the dotted line knowing they were under the Governments control.

          • Samuel Clemens

            The dotted Line does not include a suicide clause. Government? Who are they? Next you will be telling me that they have “To Obey Orders.” AND every time you “hate”, you stereotype.

          • Corey

            I must be talking to a wall. You have yet to provide anything in regards to what i’m trying to explain.

            They have to Obey orders just like you have to Obey the law. It’s not the fact that if you don’t you’ll spontaneously explode… Hmmm, don’t shoot this guy and live my life, or shoot him and do 25.

          • Samuel Clemens

            Yes, you are talking to a wall. But this wall understand what war is about, something you do not grasp. War is about survival. There is a winner & a loser. The loser is usually dead. We are in a war of survival with Islamic terrorists. “Hmmm. Don’t shoot this kid and now 19 of us are dead.”

          • Corey

            Okay, so… we should just go kill everyone else in the world? Just in case they kill us later on right?

            In regards to whats going in Afghanistan. It’s not even a war. It’s a conflict. So… is there still winner and loser?

          • Samuel Clemens

            Conflict! How could I be so stupid! How many must die before it becomes war? Later on? Islamic terrorists have murdered nearly 100,000 human beings this year. Mostly bombs. Civil wars have double this figure. In Afgan, we are the loser because of the suicide order our troops are force to operate under. Which also explains why we have been there so long.

          • Corey

            So again… not providing anything in regards to my original point. I’ll take that as you don’t have anything but random information to throw at me, changing the subject. Point is simple here. Follow the rules/laws. You signed the dotted line, you’ll complete your time and complete the mission until your time is up.

          • Samuel Clemens

            I don’t consider 100,000 murdered humans to be random. Dotted line? Talk about random. The dotted lines commits to a time period with the oath to uphold the Constitution & obey all LAWFUL orders of the President. Nothing about suicide missions.

          • Kasilofb

            You are dead wrong. When you sign on the dotted line, you agree to obey ALL orders up to and including the giving of your life.
            We had similar laws in Viet Nam, and I am sure that more than a few men are still in jails for not obeying them.

          • Corey

            Ignorance is bliss with a lot of people here. It’s almost impossible to get through their thick skulls. :(

          • Samuel Clemens

            No. I am dead correct & alive. The soldier that gave me an order (Vietnam) that I refused is dead. I told him that he was going to get me and a bunch of good men killed, Instead he got himself & a bunch of good men killed. No, I am not doing time. Retired after 31 years. I WOULD NEVER ORDER SOLDIERSS TO GO IN HARMS WAY AND DENY THEM THE MEANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. All orders? Note the word “lawful” By the way, we lost in Vietnam. 1 to 2 million died after we “pulled out”

          • Mary

            Just what Obama wants.

        • Bob G

          Amen Brother. There are no atheists in a fox hole.

      • Bob G

        Put your loafers on and swish on down the street son.

  • Erin Reilly

    They didn’t care when Osama Bin Laden had innocent civilians and heroes die in 911. How dare the government condemn our heroes that are over there fighting for our freedom. KILL OR BE KILLED. We might as well just not send any of our troops over there at all. Why should they go over and fight for our country and what they believe is right when they are either killed by the enemy or incarcerated by the enemy here. I am so sick of our troops risking their lives for a government that does nothing for them. Stand up and fight for these guys and let our government know that they are not going to incarcerate our soldiers when they come back from over there fighting for our freedom.

  • akansan

    President, I use that term for the first time in my life with disdain, Obama doesn’t care about America or her soldiers. In fact, I think he HATES us.

    • Misanthropic Humanist

      you’re an idiot. what do you base that on?

      • cbj

        Many past acts.

      • chamuiel

        I knew there had to be an infantile name calling liberal around here somewhere.

        • john

          Be equal opportunity here. A consertive called the President a gay arab. Sooooo about that name

      • akansan

        I base it on my eyes, my ears, my discernment, my intellect. Have you been paying attention? Have you been listening? Have you been reading? How have you missed it?

    • chamuiel

      not President, just president.

    • Mary

      It’s a fact—-he does hate us and intends to destroy this country.

  • Erin Reilly

    How do we know what was in store for that platoon….ok guys get those crystal balls out of your gear and don’t shoot until we see what they are going to do. OMG, I am so disgusted with this system that is putting our soldiers in jail for lengthy sentences for trying to protect other soldiers and our country. Ladies and gentlemen just quit enlisting because you may be next.

  • junkmailbin

    1. the gay arab will not pardon him.
    2. new rules, if they do not have their hands up and open when they are closer than 100 yds, shoot them

  • kaity

    Obama demonstrates his blatant stupidity and complete ignorance and his incompetence every day that he is in office! He has turned this country upside down and inside out and made a huge mess that no one can respect or put up with him any longer! His ignorant supportors will always remain blind and deaf ignoramiouses whom it seems futule to attempt to educate them with factual information. Those who object and have been objecting must encourage everyone with us to speak up loudly and frequently so we can be counted and noticed finally by the indolent congress who has done a good job of ignoring legal US citizens clamoring for justice… impeach Obama! now! restore constitition and obedience and enforcement of American laws. Get rid of all the rules, mandants of this madman and restore America’s freedoms and goals such as limiting government and all uncontrolled wasteful spending and the unlimited printing of American paper money! Stop the pacific trade agreement for it is not to American benefit!

  • USARetired

    Wars are not fought and surely not won with rules of engagement like these, I know, I have been there. We have been losing in Afghanistan for a long time! This young 1st LT is guilty of nothing!

  • EHeassler_USNRet

    The current rules of engagement suck. They essentially mean that our troops can’t shoot at the enemy until after they’ve already taken incoming and concomitant casualties. If we are not going to provide our troops the tools they need survive i.e., proper ROE, then take them out of harms way and bring them home. If the Afcrapistanis don’t want so many civilian casualties they need to stop allowing the bad guys to dress as civilians.

  • George Cooper

    Free This man, the monsters he is having to fight have no morals of war or combat. He did what he had to do to protect his troops. If anyone should be in jail it’s Obama and Hillary Clinton for not responding to help our patriates in Benghazi. God Bless this soldier for what he had to do.

    • john

      His troops testfied otherwise. Said they didnt feel threatened

      • Gerald

        His “troops” were unshaven, out of shape and had poor NCO leadership. They didn’t want to go on any patrols and just wanted to ride out the deployment. They were trying to get rid of Clint after the 1st week of accountability

        • john

          Troops unshaven!! Dear Lord call fox news. Have you ever been to Afghanistan? I know many infantry units that go without shaving while on patrols over there? How do you know they were out of shape? How do you know they were out to get him. Accountability? Sounds like the Lt needed some.

          • Johnnygard

            How do you feel about the comparison of what the Lt did, to what Obummer does with drones? Were the guys he killed innocent civilians. How many innocent civilians have the drones killed? Many first degree murderers in this country (not in combat) don’t get 20 years.

  • Glenn

    As a former marine 0311(infantry) with two deployments to Iraq and one to Afghanistan I have to say that while I hate the current rules of engagement, after reading more about the case 20 years isn’t enough.
    1) The men were not approaching they had stopped and dismounted like they were supposed to.
    2) No weapons, phones, or radios were found.
    3) His platoon testified that they did not feel they were in danger.
    4) He had previously ordered his troops to fire near villagers to scare them and they refused when he ordered them to shoot near children.
    5) He had ordered falsifying of reports to cover up his incidents.

    • Corey

      Be ready to be attacked by blind sheep. I’ve been trying explain that it doesn’t work like that for us over there. I’ve done the time as an 11B to know first hand.

      • Glenn

        There is a big difference between being ready and opening fire on everyone you meet.
        “Look at everyone as if they are trying to kill you, but do not treat them as such”
        “First do no harm”

        Everyone is backing a boot Lt, a boot Lt who on his first patrol outside of the wire ordered his troops to fire at the ground next to villagers and kids because he wanted to scare them(“Know your target, and what lays beyond and in between”). A boot Lt, who on his second time outside the wire ordered his turret gunner to shoot 3 unarmed men who had stopped approximately 300 meters away.
        He broke many of the main tenants that we follow as American troops.

        If anything this Lt was putting his men and everyone in the AO in danger, these actions will create more enemies and result in more deaths.

        • Corey

          I agree with everything you’ve said 100%

  • satch

    I don’t believe there is one combat veteran in the BHO administration. And who brought the charges and who is this captain that prosecuted Lt Lorance

    • Clint

      John, the traitor, liar, coward and all around disgrace, Kerry would probably come the closest to being a “combat veteran”, and we all know that if he is a “combat veteran” so is Jane Fonda.

      • Andrew Cecka

        “Come the closest?” Denying a soldier’s service and calling him a traitor it’s exactly what you’re angry about, is it not?

        • Clint

          A.C., it is apparent that you do not know what took place in the 60′s and John Kerry’s so called service. I am not angry at all, just stating the facts of Kerry’s time in the Navy when he was assigned to the “Swift Boats” in VN. The men who served in the same “Swift Boat” units as John Kerry, also call him a traitor, coward and liar. John Kerry has been a self serving liar his entire adult life. After his “service” in VN, Kerry became a protester of the VN war and blatantly lied before Congress when he testified about his fellow servicemen when he made the claim that they were guilty of atrocious acts in VN such as cutting off innocent people’s heads, rape, murder, etc., etc., barbaric acts that compared with the acts of Genghis Kahn. No honorable service member would recommend himself for combat related medals, but Kerry did, even writing up the accounts of his “heroic” deeds. He wrote himself up for at least one Purple Heart from a self inflicted wound that required no medical treatment, not even a Band-Aid.
          AC, if you have proof that what I have written is false, show it. In the meantime I stand by what I have said.
          I am a U.S. Navy veteran from the VN era.

          • walda151

            So glad to see someone else who shares my opinion of Kerry. He is just a lying coward who attached himself to Ted Kennedy’s coat tails to get where he is today. I can still remember driving past a homeless Vietnam veterans shelter in Lowell, and seeing all those young men in wheelchairs. They had fought in Vietnam, and so many of them had lost their arms or legs, or both. And all the while Kerry was promoting himself as a Vietnam vet, lying about his “war experiences”. I can’t stand the sight of him, or his phony commander in chief. This country would be much better off without the both of them.

          • Clint

            I can’t stand him either.

  • u86b

    This tragedy is not new. This has been going on for years with our military and civilian police. during the Bush administration I remember two border patrol officers sent to federal prison for shooting a drug smuggler in the a*s and used the smugglers testimony to convict the agents. previous to that case a woman police officer was sent to prison because her police dog held an illegal immigrant by the leg and punctured his skin. The criminal was robbing a convenience store.Although she did everything according to the book she is serving a 20 year sentence on civil rights charges.This is an agenda that that has infected both political parties to demoralize and destroy those who protect us. NWO??

  • mcbvet

    The only thing this young Officer did was his job,,,He was taking care of his soldiers, during the completion of his assigned mission !!!! I you have been there once or a hundred times, you will know that what he did was normal for that situation, and not punishable under the UCMJ. He did not, nor did he order the “MURDER” of a “Non-Combatant Unarmed Civilian” these individuals were performing servailance on our troop movements, the same way we do theirs, reporting strength,,,movement,,weapons to a unit in order to facilitate an attack.

    NEW RULES OF ENGAGEMENT
    1. Warning shots will be fired,,,(chest high),,,followed by the command halt halt halt.
    2. Any weapon found (i e – knife,,,stick ,,,brick ) will constitute armed personnel.
    3. Protection of your fellow soldiers will take precedence over all other considerations.

    • Corey

      There is something called escalation of force. ( Shout, Shove, Show, Shoot.) Okay. Should be self-explanatory. But i’ll explain it anyway.

      EXAMPLE:

      Shout – ” Hey stop! Put your weapon down! Turn around”
      Shove – (Order an Afghan police to apprehend the individual)
      Show – Point your weapon in their direction
      Shoot – Shoot to kill

      These are the steps soldiers take to prevent situations going south. BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. This isn’t an excuse to just ‘blow’ someone away.. This is to help prevent friendly casualties.

      • Meathead

        If the idiots are in a ‘combat zone’, then they should expect to be shot. Not 1,000 Afghan lives worth the life of 1 American.
        WTF are we doing in that shithole of a country anyway??

        • john

          Idiots in a combat zone? You mean their home? While I feel for the good Lt, the idiots you’re referring to are ones that call Afghanistan home.

          Now did the Lt utilize the escalation of force, or did he shoot first and worry about it after? The rules can be crappy, but theyre the rules.

          • TAC!

            What’s next, are you going to spit on them when they come home?

          • Dohn Jowd

            Probably not as ive been in a shoot dont shoot situation. Ive also understood the ROE and other information in regards to shoot dont shoot. Do NOT question my respect for your our servicemen and women.

            So you can go ahead and take your outlandish bullshit and piss up rope.

            Put on your big boy pants and come back if you actually want to discuss this like an adult.

          • TAC!

            This is the post I was referring to: Misanthropic Humanist akansan

            • 4 hours ago

            you’re an idiot. what do you base that on? ( He was saying this to a soldier who used a small P in president.) I had this happen before when I was posting on another site and it went up the list to the wrong post.

          • TAC!

            Wasn’t talking to you john, I apologize, as I thought I was commenting on a post not even on this page.. And yeah my father was spit on when he got home from nam, So what do you think, do you know any vietnam vets that were spit on. Would you like it if you were spit on when you came home. Lets discuss that. I can tell you that growing up with a pissed off marine, who hated his government, but loved his country was no picnic. And he was under similar ROE that you were. So my post was intended for those who are against the full protection of our service men. I do apologize as you were not the person this was intended for. I know that there are few if any servicemen who would commit such a vile act. In response to your post, I can only say that I would hope that those rules did not cost the lives of any of your friends or comrades.

          • Clint

            As some did the returning Viet Nam veterans.

        • Corey

          I think being there is just as ridiculous as you do. Wasting our money, resources, time, etc… But I can’t change that. I’m just trying to help people better understand since we are there and we are fighting, what the soldiers can and can’t do and why.

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          Poppies, And the money from them once they are refined into heroin, Also Lithium which seems to be abundant in Afghanistan.
          Once again follow the money !!

      • Glenn

        From the information I can find they did not need to use escalation of force. The three men were approximately 300 meters away and stopped when they saw the check point. A search of the bodies showed no weapons, phones, or radio’s. Essentially its the same situation we would see anytime anyone left the wire, a group of people waiting to get waved forward to pass through, waved away and told to go around or waiting for the troops to pass so they can get past.

    • TAC!

      My father was under similar rules in Vietnam. You think the politicians would have learned that the enemy doesn’t always wear a uniform.

  • SIRWIZARD

    Bewarel of media with an agenda…either Left or Right. It’s easy to add ‘facts’ or leave some facts out if it aids your agenda. This is one of those cases where you and I are external observers and we do not have access to enough facts for us to judge. That, my friends, is why we have juries.

    It is important that rules of engagement make sense. Some of the rules in Afghanistan are questionable rules. If the rules are causing casualties, we’ll hear about it when it’s time. One thing is true. Our military forces have not been allowed to prosecute total war since WWII. It is a fact that our forces could have finished Afghanistan and come home the victors in six months…but at what cost? History will judge. Right now, we have our hands full on the home front just trying to stay free. Let’s concentrate on the things we DO KNOW about. Like the twit in the White House.

  • stonemike

    Americans should storm the White House and put the “big eared Kenyan” in the cell instead of Lorance! I am a radical nationalist, but I will finance a trip out of the United States before I see my grandsons go into combat under these “traitorous” rules of engagement ! There is only one way to fight a war, that is to kill the enemy and if there is a conflict, sacrifice foreign lives before Americans!

  • Northman56

    Our soldiers need to put down their weapons and return to their barracks and refuse all orders until this travesty of justice is reversed and the National Command Authority swears that it we never happen again. Enough is enough!

  • Meathead

    Our military is there to kill the enemy. Unfortunately, the “enemy” doesn’t wear a uniform. Hard to tell the friend from the foe when they look alike.
    Bring our troops home and let the Mud-slimes work out their own civil war for dominance over this cesspool of a country.

  • satch

    jk is so forgettable….

  • satch

    remember Captain Robinson Resnor….(sp?) “Passing of the Night”.

  • Lisa Nuzzo Staub

    I don’t know how you can fight a war when you need permission to defend yourself. So aptly put by a friend of mine who read my post.

    • Corey

      You have the right to defend yourself. As long as you follow the Rules of engagement.

  • Lynn K

    Seems a bit too late to get patriots aroused after the conviction. How come we were not made aware of this before any action was initiated against this officer when we might have had a chance to have an effect?

    • Bob Huddleston

      What effect would you (or public opinion) have had on the judge or the military jury? Should public opinion or the law guide a jury in determining whether the facts are such that they show a conviction or acquittal is in order? Did you have evidence they didn’t have? Would you have tried to coerce the jury to acquit when their consciences, apparently, said he was guilty of the charges?

      • Brian Baca

        Should have NEVER MADE IT to court! He shoild have not been arrested! If you’ve nevet served your country in war, there’s no way you can judge this man! They don’t follow any rules so why should our guys have to do a background check before they shoot someone during a war? It’s BS!!!

      • Lynn K

        It seems to me that public outrage may well have come to the fore when this case first came up. At least the public should have been made aware of the issue instead of it being hidden and geared towards a guilty verdict.
        This in my opinion is another proof that our military is being coerced
        by political entities. This officer at least was wearing a uniform showing his purpose in the field. Politicians hide in their own cloak rooms all the while making clear what is to be done and to whom.

      • Bob Huddleston

        “”Lt.
        Lorance used his rank and position to harass, intimidate, threaten and
        murder Afghans,” said Capt. William Miller, a government prosecutor.

        Lorance’s
        defense team argued during the three-day trial that he was trying to
        protect his men in a Taliban-controlled part of Afghanistan where
        motorcycles were often a sign of trouble and where four of the platoon’s
        soldiers had been hurt in recent weeks. But soldiers who served with
        Lorance testified that motorcycles were the most common form of
        transportation for all Afghans, insurgents and civilians alike.

        Lorance
        was convicted of committing at least one crime every day he was with
        his unit at a small outpost in the Kandahar province of Afghanistan last
        summer.

        On
        June 30, as soon as he arrived at the outpost two days after being
        tapped as the platoon leader, Lorance threatened to have a man and his
        family killed if the man moved concertina wire near the outpost or if
        any soldiers were ever injured on his land.

        On
        July 1, he ordered a marksman in the platoon into a guard tower to
        harass civilians by shooting close enough to scare them. The soldier who
        shot said during the court-martial that he eventually refused to fire
        when Lorance ordered him to shoot near a group of children. Lorance also
        asked another soldier to file a false report saying villagers shot at
        the outpost to provoke the attack.

        On
        July 2, Lorance threatened to kill villagers who showed up at the base
        to complain about the shots into the village the day before. Lorance was
        acquitted of making a false official statement, a charge related to his
        allegedly telling his men before a foot patrol that morning to
        immediately shoot anyone they saw on a motorcycle.

        During
        the July 2 patrol, Lorance ordered a soldier who reported seeing three
        Afghans on a motorcycle to open fire. The men stopped and got off the
        motorcycle. Shortly after that, Lorance ordered a soldier manning the
        turret of a gun truck to shoot them. Two of the men died. The third
        escaped.

        The
        two soldiers who fired at the Afghans said they never felt threatened
        and would not have shot had Lorance not ordered it. They said they
        didn’t see any hostile action or hostile intent from the men, a
        requirement before U.S. forces can fire their weapons in Afghanistan.

        “Lieutenant
        Lorance murdered those two men. He ordered them to be shot with no
        legal justification,” said Capt. Tripp Otto, the lead prosecutor.

        “Without his manufacturing of combat, those two men would be alive.”

        Guy
        Womack, Lorance’s lawyer, said the biggest shame of the situation was
        that American troops had their hands tied by the rules of engagement and
        that Lorance was being punished for making a snap decision in combat.

        Lorance
        also was convicted of obstruction of justice for working to cover up
        the murder immediately after it happened, lying about several details of
        the incident. He reported the bodies couldn’t be searched because the
        family had retrieved them so quickly. Multiple soldiers testified that
        the bodies already had been searched when Lorance made that report.
        Cucumbers, scissors and other personal items were found, but no weapons
        or items such as cellphones or hand-held radios that could have been
        evidence of insurgent activity. Lorance also said a support helicopter
        pilot had seen the men on the motorcycle carrying weapons. The pilot,
        Capt. Katherine McNair, testified Wednesday that she didn’t arrive as
        air support for Lorance’s platoon until after the two Afghans were
        shot.”

    • Laddyboy

      We the People can do a nationwide call to exonorate him.

  • Bob Huddleston

    How dare the soldiers who served on the jury decide that he was guilty. Maybe we just just do away with juries and let our judges make the call all by themselves, eh?

    • Laddyboy

      No! To many socialists have been made judges.

  • Dealer

    The same baster— made up the rules in Vietnam……..guess I should have stay home and took out liberals instead of Viet Cong over there…..the way things are going it looks like I am going to get a chance to correct that mistake

  • vernonrice

    I WAS IN VIET NAM WHEN THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT WAS IF YOU SAW THE ENEMY, YOU KILLED THE BASTARDS. THEN THE POLITICIANS STEPPED IN JUST LIKE HERE AND NOW, “BUT” IT IS QUITE “OK” FOR OBAMA TO ORDER A DRONE STRIKE AND MORE THAN LIKELY KILL A FEW INNOCENTS ALONG WITH THE TARGET WITHOUT GETTING SHOT AT. WHY DON’T WE GET A CHANCE TO SHOOT AT OBAMA BEFORE HE ORDERS A DRONE STRIKE ? WHAT IS FAIR IS FAIR.. i KNOW A WHOLE OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO VOLUNTEER TO TAKE A FEW SHOTS AT OBUTTFACE.

    • MargaretJacobson

      Hmmm, shooting at Obama ? Idea ? Maybe mooch will set him up ?

    • Laddyboy

      To quick. Arrest. Prosecution. He needs a Judgement for treason then execution done by leagle officials. All his and accomplices need to be impounded and used to pay the debts Barry and his “friends” created.

  • Joe Pereira

    As far as I am concerned…as are most of us…our rules should not apply if the country we are at war with has not consented to follow those same rules outlined in the Geneva Convention. Unconventional war means unconventional warfare. You don’t see these bastards waiting 20 minutes to receive a call from their higher-ups authorizing them to use force now do you?

    • MargaretJacobson

      It might take longer than 20 minutes to get an answer from Obama ? He is on vacation or talking to Muslims, illegals or visiting bathhouses ?

  • mperkins2

    The whole point of fighting a war is to win. How can you win when your hands are tied by bureaucrats who are trying to run a war from the home front? The men in the field should be the ones making the decisions on who to fire on or who is the enemy because they are the ones in the heat of it all. The action taken against this hero who was protecting his men has to be the greatest travesty of justice I have ever heard of. Everyone there is there to defend our freedoms and when, it seems, that they do then they are accused of murder. These idiots are going to be in a heck of a mess when they can no longer get men to die for their freedom and rights. Being faced with a dilemma such as this will cause more young men stop and think why should they go if this is what you will receive for your troubles. It is time to start fighting to win or just pull all of our troops out and let them fight amongst themselves.

    • Glenn

      His own troops are the ones who testified against him, the day prior they refused his orders because he told them to scare kids by shooting the ground next to them. The incident with the kids was his first time outside the wire, the incident he went to prison for was his second.

      • Laddyboy

        Were the goats hurt? How many were wounded? Did they hop very high? How far did they run? Was there a herder there? Was he hurt?

  • Bono

    Absolutely ridiculous!

  • victoryman

    Where are the Joint Chiefs? I have not heard them speak out…..except to denigrate our troops. They are not military leaders, they are politipimps.

    • mrsgunnut10

      They are the ” FAT ASS ” Politician/ Military Mongrels sitting safely behind their Tax Payer Bought huge desks with booze in the second drawer on the right, making stupid decisioins after taking the fourth or fifth swig from the bottle. They, some of them, made and/or gave the same type of Orders to the Troops fighting in Viet Nam. Hanoi John Kerry lied then and his supporters are Lying now. We have War’s going on, all over the World, under Orders from the Obama White House and Obama’s CZARS. In Reality, you might say our Troops are, or should be, at War with Washington D.C. . Thank you for your time. TSgt., USAF Retired.

      • victoryman

        Wonderful comment. You made my day…and thank you for your service to our country. This brave Lieutenant has been tried in the court of political correctness (And White House pandering to those who want to kill us) and found “Guilty.” Ad of course, we all recall Col. West. I’m sure there are more heroes who have an will be vilified by this administration – with ZERO support from the “Brass.” Shameful. Wishing you a Blessed New Year.

  • greyhound44

    Once again folks, it’s time to NUKE DC!
    fmr LCDR MC USNR NUKE – resigned 1978

  • Adam J. Bernay

    I support Lt Lorance… but I have to ask, if this is how we’re telling our soldiers to operate, WHAT IS THE POINT in having them there AT ALL? What good could they POSSIBLY be doing?

    • MargaretJacobson

      Our government wants to give aid and support to our enemies ? Our government wants to flex its muscles over our troops defending their lives ! The government “over there ” is being supported by our troops there ! They spend monies, they are risking their lives in a war they really might not make a difference ? Our government will build up their country and leave and give them foreign aid (welfare) !!

  • Don

    The American soldier to be used and abused at will by there superiors that’s just the way it is and always will be

    • 2004ranger

      it has sadly changed for the worse, much worse.

  • http://personalliberty.com/ Alondra

    “WICKEDNESS PROCEEDS FROM THE WICKED.” (I Samuel 24:13)

    “Woe to those who CALL EVIL GOOD, AND GOOD EVIL; Who put DARKNESS FOR LIGHT, AND LIGHT FOR DARKNESS; Who put BITTER FOR SWEET, AND SWEET FOR BITTER! Woe to those, WHO ARE WISE IN THEIR OWN EYES, and prudent in their OWN SIGHT!” (Isaiah 5:20-21)

    • 2004ranger

      what does that mean? are you crazy?

      • http://personalliberty.com/ Alondra

        No, I am NOT crazy. I know Scripture pritty well.
        But you are STUPID and KRAZY.
        But anyway Happy and Healthy New Year to You and Yours.

        Read Scripture. It gives knowledge and WISDOM, which you need.

        “How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity? For scorners delight in their scorning, and FOOLS HATE KNOWLEDGE.” (Proverbs 1:22)

        “When WISDOM enters your heart, and KNOWLEDGE IS PLEASANT to your soul, 11 Discretion will preserve you” (Proverbs 2:10, 11)

        The knowledge is much more valuable than silver or gold:
        “Receive my [Wisdom’s] instruction, and not silver, and KNOWLEDGE rather than choice gold” (Proverbs 8:10)

        Wisdom comes from knowledge:
        “A wise man is strong. Yes! a man of knowledge increases strength…” (Proverbs 24:5)

        • 2004ranger

          so what (in God’s name) does this have to do with the article? I see K(no)w point. Or are you just promoting God the scripture? That’s fine but this sounds like babble.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Alondra

            “The mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.” – King Solomon (Proverbs 15:2)

            Quote: “this sounds like babble.”
            It sounds like babble for you. For other people it doesn’t. They could connect the Scripture’s verses to article. You could not.

  • Warren Sandefur

    We were complaining about the ROE even when I was in (last tour was ’06-’07). It creates an environment where soldiers are afraid to act for fear of something just like this; thus putting them and their buddies in harms way needlessly. If the government won’t give us the tools and parameters we need to end and win this war then they should bring the troops home. Don’t get me wrong, we need to win this. I’m not anti war by any stretch of the imagination I’m anti “getting-our-men-and-women-killed-then-prosecute-them-for-doing-their-jobs-just-so-we-can-sit-comfortably-on-our-duffs-in-DC-toasting-ourselves-at cocktail-parties-for-taking-the ‘high road’”. Imbeciles.

  • RAS0503

    Let me see if I have his right… this Lt. was sentenced to prison for ordering an attack on a enemy combatants to protect his platoon and himself. Our president has been clearing out our military’s highest ranking officers who will not agree to fire on American Citizens if he orders it. WTF???

    • Miss Christie

      Because he wants to make sure that our existing military will follow his direct orders to kill Americans when “We The People” rise up and revolt against the government. The president has also ordered over a billion rounds of ammunition to e stockpiled here in the US for use on US soil only, hundred or more fully armored urban tanks for clearing urban streets and other military equipment for use here in the US against the US citizens. While he was obtaining these utility tanks ammunition large caliber weapons and stock piling them here in the US to be used on US soil, he was promoting gun control, gun grab laws to be forced on the states, in an attempt to disarm citizens to bring the odds into his favor. When he declares Martial Law we are not able to vote him out, impeach him, vote against any of his decisions until he declares otherwise. We cant vote in a new president at the end of his term either, So if the military has any real good leaders left he will see to it that they are removed, retire early, stripped of their honor and duties so all he is left with is drones that will be too scared NOT to do what he orders. His won step father trained terrorist groups and ran gorilla type camps. He is well versed on what it takes to construct a military that will self destruct on his command. That’s why he is clearing out our military’s highest ranking officers who will not agree to fire on American Citizens. Hitler did the exact same thing, the people of Germany voted him in, they voted for his health care reform, they voted for his work place free daycare (ran and funded by the government) they voted for the distribution of wealth because they were so poor they couldnt see through what he was doing to them. Hitler seemed and appeared to be the answer to their needs as they were starving to death and dying of disease that they couldnt receive medical care for. Frog in the pot syndrome. All the while he was preparing camps for the Jewish people and actually making them believe that they were being protected by the government, they logged all of their valuables and declared all of their wealth both domestic and foreign, and then they marched them straight to the gas chambers, and the people/sheep (for the most part) never believed that he was doing exactly what he was doing to them. This president has an agenda and so did Hitler. Thats the difference with this president than other democratic and republican presidents. He loves it when we proclaim that he is stupid and an idoit, that means we arent smart enough to understand and know what he is up too. We are controlled, even other countries that are not free have more access to uncensored news, internet and media than we do. Just keep drinking the Koolaide!

  • Tom2855

    Had enough yet?

  • jagans

    It is fairly apparent by now that anyone with a brain understands that “War” is waged when there is a complete breakdown in the ability of the respective authorities to negotiate an amicable solution to their differences. Why else would anyone wage WAR. So, to say “the gloves are off, its a fight to the death” and then put rules on it is the most ludicrous BS that can exist in any world.

    We gave up the moral high ground when we tortured captives by water boarding them, so why use half axed “rules of engagement” when it comes to fighting against people that behead their enemies? We had the same kind of BS in Vietnam. Idiots sit behind desks in DC and make up rules for the guys in harms way. If we had rules like this in WW2 we never would have beaten the Japs, because they had none, just like the Taliban.

  • SniperToo

    God bless this soldier and I hope eventually he will get justice and restored to his honorable and brave position. This would have never had happen, if it were not for the Muslim usurper, illegal immigrant in the white house of corruption and shame. The military commanders have lost their soul, pride and are Godless. May they burn in hell for bringing this man up on charges, which were @ss backwards. This is what happens when the upper echelon does not back our soldiers (butt kissing for a future civilian job), because of political correctness and the hate for our brave soldiers.

  • 01jackie01

    Son called his superiors on the ROE, WAS TOLD TO SHUT UP. The Govt and Military have proven time and again with these ROE rules that they are more concerned with the enemy lives and needs than Our Peoples Needs and Concerns. This is exec branch all the way to Senate and House as they have NOT once said no to Obama, or caved like a wet suit they are.

  • rozdunlap

    OBAMA IS THE ENEMY,HE WANTS ARE MILITARY LEADERS DEAD,HE WANTS HIS ARMY OF MUSLIMS TO TAKE OVER THIS COUNTRY. HE IS THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD HIS GOAL IS TO WEAKEN US AND START CONFLICTS AMONG US.IMPEACH HIM NOW AND LOCK HIM UP FOR CRIMES AGA7NST THE PEOPLE.

  • Graham Kilpatrick

    He lied about everything and tried to get others to CYA…Here is the skinny, straight from the transcripts I’m told.

    it’s
    buried by all the damned sites claiming he was railroaded. The Court
    martial decision is out there as are statements regarding the testimony
    in the trial.
    Lorance was convicted of committing at least one crime every day he was with his unit at a small outpost in the Kandahar province of Afghanistan last summer.

    On
    June 30, as soon as he arrived at the outpost two days after being
    tapped as the platoon leader, Lorance threatened to have a man and his
    family killed if the man moved concertina wire near the outpost or if
    any soldiers were ever injured on his land.

    On
    July 1, he ordered a marksman in the platoon into a guard tower to
    harass civilians by shooting close enough to scare them. The soldier who
    shot said during the court-martial that he eventually refused to fire
    when Lorance ordered him to shoot near a group of children. Lorance also
    asked another soldier to file a false report saying villagers shot at
    the outpost to provoke the attack.

    On
    July 2, Lorance threatened to kill villagers who showed up at the base
    to complain about the shots into the village the day before. Lorance was
    acquitted of making a false official statement, a charge related to his
    allegedly telling his men before a foot patrol that morning to
    immediately shoot anyone they saw on a motorcycle.

    During
    the July 2 patrol, Lorance ordered a soldier who reported seeing three
    Afghans on a motorcycle to open fire. The men stopped and got off the
    motorcycle. Shortly after that, Lorance ordered a soldier manning the
    turret of a gun truck to shoot them. Two of the men died. The third
    escaped.

    The
    two soldiers who fired at the Afghans said they never felt threatened
    and would not have shot had Lorance not ordered it. They said they
    didn’t see any hostile action or hostile intent from the men, a
    requirement before U.S. forces can fire their weapons in Afghanistan.

    “Lieutenant
    Lorance murdered those two men. He ordered them to be shot with no
    legal justification,” said Capt. Tripp Otto, the lead prosecutor.

    “Without his manufacturing of combat, those two men would be alive.”

    Guy
    Womack, Lorance’s lawyer, said the biggest shame of the situation was
    that American troops had their hands tied by the rules of engagement and
    that Lorance was being punished for making a snap decision in combat.

    Lorance
    also was convicted of obstruction of justice for working to cover up
    the murder immediately after it happened, lying about several details of
    the incident. He reported the bodies couldn’t be searched because the
    family had retrieved them so quickly. Multiple soldiers testified that
    the bodies already had been searched when Lorance made that report.
    Cucumbers, scissors and other personal items were found, but no weapons
    or items such as cellphones or hand-held radios that could have been
    evidence of insurgent activity. Lorance also said a support helicopter
    pilot had seen the men on the motorcycle carrying weapons. The pilot,
    Capt. Katherine McNair, testified Wednesday that she didn’t arrive as
    air support for Lorance’s platoon until after the two Afghans were shot.
    This was originally posted online in the Fayettville Observer but is no longer available on the site, the link is broken.

    • zombiekiller117

      “The U.S. Military has purchased software designed to create and control false online personas in an attempt to use social media and other websites to counter anti-U.S. messaging.”

      “These false online personas, also known as “sock puppets,” would be equipped to seem like real people while entering online discussion through blogs, message boards, chats, and more. With a false persona, a user could discredit opponents, or create the semblance of consensus”

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/online-persona-management_n_837153.html

    • 2004ranger

      not being there and hearing the testimony it is difficult and sounds sad. You put really young men in difficult situations and have them make decisions regarding lives and bad things happen. Where was his commander, where was the guidance? This whole war is so confusing to everyone. What delineates victory? Mr Obama, what tells the commanders we have won? you can sit back in the safety of the white house or on vacation in Hawaii but things change when you lose a friend to an IED or get an arm blown off; all with confusing guidance and weak support. Legally he will be hammered and his life ruined. Morally and ethically was he correct? Things are very different when the bullets are flying over your head and for those sitting back passing judgement-impossible to understand.

    • Bendy Bentley

      I remember this guy now. A worthless, murdering sack of excrement.

    • Kathy Stuart

      Thank you for posting. I had heard about this incident previously.
      As I was reading the story here the one glaring thing that stood out most was that it never mentioned if the men were carrying weapons or anything that would have marked them as insurgents. It seems a simple enough thing that should have been included in this article. But the articles point was to incite and obviously has done its job well if the comments are any indicator.

    • Daniel Graff

      Just where would these “transcripts” you have “shared” with us be found?

  • beaudet5

    this is a voluntary military. don’t volunteer!!! we haven’t been defending this soil since WWI. going over seas to babysit other governments is not defending our soil . waste of life and my tax dollars. quit complaining and impeach Obama. everybody complains but does nothing about it.most of our homeless are vets. when will you people wake up? why are we still there? we won the war against Iraq in only eight days. Let hem build their own cities up again. let them deal with the Taliban. all they need to know is that we will destroy them again and again if they choose to hurt or kill just one American. as far as lieutenant lorance, he’s lucky it was our government that prosecuted him not the Iraqis. funny how the state of N.H currently allows deadly force if you feel threatened but you need permission in the military. who are we not trying to piss off, the Taliban? were the rules of engagement followed when we snuck in and got Obama bi laden?

    • Scientist5

      I think you need a lesson in history – WWI was fought in Europe, WWII was fought in Europe, Africa, Asia. Maybe you don’t think WWII was fought for America you are ignorant of the facts. My father in subs in WWI, Iwas Naval Officer in Amphibs in both ETO & PTO, my son fought in Viet Nam, his two sons both Naval Officers in Iraq & Afghanistan (one a SEAL, the other a Naval Aviator). We all volunteered.
      Beaudet5 – I think you’d study some more history.

      We still have not won the war against terrorists – AND, they are on our home soil. You speak of dealing with the Taliban – add on the 30 or more other terrorists groups operating in the region. Plus, their operations worldwide by many of them. Don’t forget the ones in the US.

      The Lt was carrying out his responsibility to his men. The rules of engagement should be for the protection of our troops as well as non-combatants. You are correct – the rules of engagement they have set up are NUTS. However, under these rules how do you go about identifying terrorists if they do not wear uniforms or carry a rifle. Maybe, they carry a bomb strapped to them, maybe a pocket full of hand grenades.

      This young officer is receiving the worst of our military justice system in the name of political correctness. His case must be appealed.

      • zombiekiller117

        Can you describe HOW we will know we’ve won the ‘war on terrorists’ ?
        In WW2 we knew we’d won because the Russians hoisted their flag on top of the Reichstag in Berlin and Hitler had shot himself, and allied troops occupied Germany. Then nukes were dropped on Japan and they signed a surrender document and allied troops occupied Japan.
        So can you describe to us HOW we will know that the ‘war on terrorists’ will be won ?
        It seems to me nobody knows what victory in this war will look like, so it seems to me this war will never ever end.

        • Scientist5

          The Israelis have been fighting the war on terror for decades. The West will be fighting it for decades to come. How do we know when we’ve won? From the Crusades onward there has been hatred of the West by a militant strain of the Islamic religion. I wish I knew, but we have no choice but to continue the fight in hopes that the militant Muslims finally decide that it is easier to live in peace rather than trying to impose their religion and culture on the world’s population.
          By the way – I have been involved in North Africa and the Middle east since 1949, so I have a reasonably good take on what militant Islam is all about. In short, there are too many potential suicide bombers among the unwashed illiterate Arab masses to be able to identify them until after they blow themselves and innocents up…

        • david

          A man that is to much of a coward to serve in the military should not be able to rule over the military. PERIOD.

      • beaudet5

        please answer my question. when was the last time we (America) defended our soil against invaders or possible take over? since that time, we’ve been doing nothing but flexing our muscles in other countries. I can understand guarding trade routes and things of that nature. we can have intelligence gatherers to keep an eye on things but we don’t need troops wasting time, money and lives in any country. those who didn’t volunteer in Vietnam were drafted. most of them would not have gone if they didn’t face jail time.

        • Scientist5

          I guess you could say in 1914 when Panco Villa invaded Texas and American troops chased him into Mexico. In WWI we definitely defended America – Hawaii and the Philippines were American territories in 1941. Had Britain fallen to Germany, America would have been isolated. The Western Hemisphere would have been an island – Japanese controlling all of Asia and the Germans all of Europe and North Africa. Yes, there was a posible alternative – let the Russian and Germans fight it out. What would our position have been if Russia controlled all of Europe?
          beaudet5 – I am not being sarcastic, I am suggesting that you read some strategic books and learn more about geopolitics.
          On Viet Nam I agree it was a terrible mistake, especially when Johnson escalated the conflict.
          I can think of no case when our thoughts were strictly to flex our muscles. We have never retained any ground in any war we’ve fought, except for the Spanish American War. Texas won the war with Mexico to gain independence, but that was not the US.
          I might ad that the draft during Viet Nam was a farce – the poor were drafted for the most part and people like Clinton dodged it. I lived in Calgary, Alberta during much of the Vieit Nam war – a lot of young Canadians volunteered and joined the US forces.

      • Randy Davenport

        WWII was also fought in Hawaii and Alaska among other American Lands. Japan attacked an oil refinery in CA, Japanese Weather Bombs killed people in Or. Germany sent in saboteurs that landed in Fl, NY and NY but were quickly arrested. Subs routinely sink ships of the NC coast, so close people could hear and see the attacks.

        • Scientist5

          Randy – I am sure you read my comment. I know the Japanese did some minor attacks on our West Coast and we had a big operation in the Aleutians. . We had no land battles or sea battles off our coast lines. Hawaii was the only real attack on our homeland, and it was serious.
          Our war was fought on foreign soil, and their are over 400,000 of my generation who died on foreign soil that prove it…
          I don’t remember any people being killed or injured by Jap balloon bombs. Damage to the refinery tank farm was minimal.. Subs struck the shipping lanes until near the end of 1943. My LST was in a convoy in February 1944 that lost several merchantmen in mid-Atlantic, but by then the Atlantic was fairly safe. Escort carriers were very successful in destroying a number of German subs. In fact, the use of blimps was also very effective. DDs and DEs were the real first line after German subs were spotted shadowing the convoys.
          My experience is 1st hand.

  • Buster Handcock

    1st Lieutenant Lorance, please be advised that there is a whole ton of support for you in and around the United States Of America. Unfortunately, the Obummer (an illegal alien) is happy that you have received some ‘down time’ in some Army lock-down facility. This will not last! The ‘illegal alien’ will be cast OUT of America, soon, and all ‘illegal imprisonments’ will be suspended. RESPECTIVELY, Captain J.M. Lukes, USMC/R.

  • Bruce Lee

    If the military doesn’t wants us to fight in Afghanistan then bring the troops home.
    Reinstate the 200 patriotic generals that have been recently removed from their commands, and this behavior will stop. Otherwise if these generals aren’t reinstated, then this type of behavior will not go away, it will only increase.

  • RLJR1

    BUSTER OBAMA IS NOT AN ILLEAGAL ALIEN HE IS A MUSLUM COMMUNIST TERRORIST OUT TO DESTROY AMERICA AND IF THE STUPID LOW INFORMATION VOYER DOESNT WAKE UP THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT BE FREE ANYMORE.

  • Michael

    Damn the “in the rear with the gear” ass wipes, this is just like the Lt. that got railroaded for the Mi Lie massacre in Vietnam! He got the same crap handed to him!!

    • IndianCowboy

      And look where Senator Kerry is now!!!!

  • Scientist5

    This is stupidity to the nth power. What absurdity! I suppose 1st Lt Lorance should have first engaged them over a cup of chi to find out for sure that they were not just walking by. I wonder if they would have told him they were insurgents just waiting for the proper moment to kill him and his platoon with explosive packs.
    I remember when Marine 1st Lt Patano was tried and convicted of murder. Fortunately, the public rose up and demand justice – on appeal he was found not guilty.
    Does anyone in the Armed Forces have enough balls to go to bat for this young officer? I hope the public will rise up again.in support of this young man.

  • Mark Bigger

    this is wrong, any congressman or woman who does not act against this is a cowardly traitor

    • zombiekiller117

      This happens ALL the time, the political powers will sacrifice our young men as ‘pawns’ in their ‘game’ when empires are at stake.

      If you want to watch a movie that’s not so upbeat then I recommend ‘Breaker Morant’, a docu-drama about young Australians in the Boer war who got shafted in a similar way to Lt Lorance.

      I’ll even save you $15 by posting the youtube link so you don’t have to buy the DVD because there’s a recession on.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZgNosQ8oCY
      P.S I just assume that ALL politicians are cowardly traitors until proven otherwise.

      • Frank E. Roberts

        True, and if anyone thinks these decisions do not come from the very top (commander-in-chief) the movie should remove that illusion.

        • Really Though

          Let’s be honest here Frank. This incident took place in (precious mineral rich) colonial African in the early 1900′s. If history serves me correctly, participants in the Boer Wars wouldn’t have been party to the 1864 Geneva Convention. Thus, their rules of war were governed by whom ever seen fit to make those rules. If a commanding officer, president or the King wanted to make a rule, then scapegoat of a man in the field for following it, all they need do was, do it!

          Secondly, although the movie is based on actual events, screen and book writers are never bound by complete accuracy. Literary and “artistic license”, and the writers personal impressions will undoubtedly creep into the story. Who really knows if Morant was the ill-fated folk hero the film makes him out to be. Moreover, the film depicts the presence of a court stenographer. I did a Google search to see if any transcripts existed, yet to no avail. Oddly I found a website offering a reward of $10,000 to anyone who can provide a transcript.

          The simple fact is that, war is hell. I think it’s fortunate that we, as a civilized society, have put rules in place governing the practice of barbaric acts during the “fog of war.” In essence that’s what sets us apart from the barbarism of the Islamic Jihadists.

          • zombiekiller117

            http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

            “The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.

            A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command (Centcom), which oversees US armed operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, to develop what is described as an “online persona management service” that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world”

            Must be awesome to be paid to troll…..

  • slkgej6

    Of course Barack Obama can get away with killing thousands of innocents using Hellfire missiles. He doesn’t see what we see when he looks in the mirror….he sees the only god he recognizes…himself.

    This young man did exactly what was necessary to save his platoon. Yet, the leftist flunkies who now infest the ranks of our armed forces chose to “disappear” him in order to kowtow to the megalomaniacs in charge of both Afghanistan and the US. Either we are at war, or we end up in yet another Vietnam, in which minor platoon movements, the choice of weapons “allowed” to be used and the selection of targets was not carried out by anyone who had ANY experience in the military world. Instead, everything, right down to the choice of bullets that could be used by ground troops was planned by those known as REMF’s by those on the front lines (Rear Echelon M…..F…..’s). That policy resulted in thousands of deaths of American soldiers.

    The same thing happens each and every time a liberal takes control of the military. It’s highly predictable. First, they show nothing but contempt for what the military does and makes no secret of that contempt. Second, they replace all officers who do not agree with them politically and backfill with those who have no business EVER commanding troops. Third, they use military assets as their own personal hit squads (cases in point, Obama and his drone strikes). Fourth, they use the military, which is purposely designed to break things and kill people for “humanitarian” causes in military conflicts while controlling the rules of engagement to the point that it results in the meaningless deaths of American soldiers (cases in point, the entire Vietnam conflict and Clinton’s use of the military for “humanitarian” efforts in Somalia, then ordering them to capture Mohammed Aidid after telling them which weapons and assets would be as “alienating” to the people).

    The difference this time, though, is that I’m not certain that there will be a recovery from the destructive forces put into place by this administration.

  • okseabat

    This is the same thing that happened to our troops in Vietnam. When engaging militants in battle when that militant is an enemy at night and a seemed friendly working in conjunction with our troops in the day is extremely hazardous to our armies. Obama ridding the services of competent battle trained officers replacing them with inexperienced yes men and women is tantamount to declaring war on our own military personnel. This is politics making military decisions for our top commanders. Our politician haven’t won a war since WWII and our troops disgraced with each action of running away. We are lucky that Roosevelt died before the end of the war and the Generals took command, he was in the process of letting the Russians have Europe because he was socialist also. This is what is happening in the Mideast our administrations appointing new leaders in those countries that he is religiously aligned with.

    • Elizabeth Groves

      They will take our guns and we will be in same position here at home. It’s all part of the plan. And the military won’t be able to help us either.

  • Alex

    This is totally outrageous! Mr. President, how you can let this travesty continue? Give the order and release this hero! Period!

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Alondra

      You are talking in the deaf ears.

      • Alex

        Sad, but true!

  • jimmyv65

    This government and military leadership at the top is pathetic at best, Shame on our military leaders for cowering and placing young men and women in harms way by their inaction’s. To the military brass, why don’t you all grow a pair and do the job you took an oath to do, or have you forgotten what that was as you sit in your comfy offices

  • pacificman

    As a retired Army officer with over 24 years of service (22 active, 2 reserve), I am sickened by the so called “Leadership” that exists in our military that warps and defeats our own soldiers like this. There is no justice in this. I hope the prosecutor and everyone who was involved in writing and enforcing these ROE’s gets to answer to a Just God for their outrageously unjust acts!

    • OzCop

      No, I want them to answer now…sure, their time before God will eventually come, but something should be done NOW, FORTHWITH! Allowing this crap to continue will end up getting more of our guys killed…this is assanine rules of engagement to the max…Every soldier should lay down their weapons and quit what used to be the greatest military on the planet. Now we have a pansy-assed administration appointing POS military leaders and advisors, many whom have never, ever been in a war zone, to make and enforce rules…When will this crap stop???

      • pacificman

        Sadly, it will not end until we get our asses kicked on the field of battle and good! The fat brass won’t care what happens to a squad here or there. When we face an enemy that wipes out the fighting force of most of an Army in the field is what it will take to change their stupidity.

        • Marisol Sullivan

          Obama won’t ever care he’s on the side of the muslims.

          • Furbabys Tails

            Of Course he cares about the muslims because he is one.

    • IndianCowboy

      I am sure you are familiar with the trickle down theory of economics and how it applies to human behavior as well. All depends on the quality of leadership at the top, doesn’t it? They get away with this stuff because most people don’t know or care about these rules of engagement. Thank you for your service!

  • tom721

    Kevin, thanks for publishing the story.

  • Randall Jordan

    If we cant defend ourselves from an attack or imminent attack we should bring all our brothers and sisters home NOW

  • Neil Nicholas Nacchio Sr.

    The prosecuting officer needs a bullet to the head and in general so does he Army for letting this case go thru.

  • Pat Nash

    I know war is hell, and these rules of engagement are right from the same pit.

    • IndianCowboy

      Exactly! These incredibly bizarre rules of engagement are one of the reasons so many of our soldiers end up killing themselves. Other reasons— too long and too many deployments, lack of faith in general, and now even the active discouragement of faith in the military.

  • Byron Shutt

    Coward of a Commander-In-Chief. If you had balls you would let them do what they are trained to do…..or bring them the FHome.

    • Verity

      I say, bring our troops home. Why are we there? They are not our citizens. If Big Business wants to be in that country (oil and minerals), let them deal with the government there. We should not be the strong arm for their profit.

  • Doug Packer

    CPT William Miller needs to feel the repercussions of doing this to good soldiers.

  • Brenda Lewis

    WHY ARE OUR YOUNG MEN AVER THERE?????THEY CUT THEIR HEADS OFF AND DO HORRIBLE THINGS TO OUR MEN, SEEMS LIKE OUR PRESIDENT DOESN’T CARE HE TURNS HIS HEAD AWAY !!!I HE DOESN’T CARE ABOUT OUR LAND AND OUT MILITARY!!!!

  • runnindeer

    This current agenda from this so called leader has made it so that our Military are being treated like hostile people instead of the terrorist being subjected to ill treatment by him . It is unacceptable behavior from any sitting president. Even the phony ones.

  • Copper Munger

    That’s because the Commander-in-Chief is a Muslim Terrorist. His goal is to destroy the US military and give his fellow terrorists target practice and the opportunity to score kills. Since he IS a terrorist himself it is OK for him to kill civilians. Next he will have targets printed on our troops fatigues.

    • Really Though

      It’s okay for you to hate President Obama. We’re still free to express our displeasure with our own government and leaders. However, to think or even believe that your own president (which I think you believe, because you’re writing it) would destroy the same military that secures the office and power he holds, is just plain stupid. Even as a “tongue in cheek” expression it’s totally asinine. Actually the definition of a self destroyed military would be equivalent of a coup d’état.

      • Frank E. Roberts

        If you think this decision to imprison this lieutenant for doing his job does not come from the top, I strongly suggest you either read the book or see the movie called “Breaker Morant”. These are political decisions for political reasons being made at the top of the military (president is commander-in-chief), and not justice as we believe it should be or want it to be..

        • Really Though

          Duhhhh… All orders come from the top.

          However, no “direct” order needs to come from the president for military prosecutions. The rules have been in place for several decades. It’s called the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which was established by the United States Congress. It might very well be possible that the UCMJ was written because of incidents such as the “Breaker Morant.”

      • dan

        YES, I believe obama is just plain stupid….and evil.

        • Really Though

          And you have the right to your beliefs. Isn’t that wonderful!!

          • IndianCowboy

            Right, because whatever you believe is true– is true for you! There are no absolute truths, according to the Left, and to Obama: “Implicit in the very idea of ordered liberty, was the rejection of absolute truth, the infallibility of any idea or ideology or theology or “ism,” any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course… ” (The Audacity of Hope, 2006.)

          • Really Though

            And what does that have to do with your right to think, believe, and even say out load that you think President Obama is stupid? Isn’t what you believe is true, is also “true for you?”

          • maggie

            Troll Alert ! Yes , I am free to say this.

          • Really Though

            Trolls post simply to upset the reader. Contrary to your assertion, I’m posting my actual beliefs with no intent to “upset” you or anyone else. Thus your assertion is no more than an ad hominem attack.

          • maggie

            Apology your way, can’t fault me for caution. No one likes to waste their time talking to a mindset that is not open to ideas other than their own :)

      • 1digger

        Are you that dense? Of course obama is destroying our military; where have you been? He’s been purging the top leadership for years, extending ‘pc’ policies in training by removing the reality of radical islam and making our military a ‘social engineering’ experiment by allowing homosexuals to be open and push for women in combat. One could go on and on but this is a start.

        Full List: 197 Officers Removed from Obama’s Military During the Purge
        http://freepatriot.org/2013/10/23/full-list-197-officers-removed-obamas-military-purge/

        • Really Though

          I’ve been living in reality… would be nice if you joined me. Replacing military officers by an administration is nothing new. However, be it fortunate or unfortunate, the vast majority or the “firings” were ethical violations. Although the buck stops with the Commander in Chief, ethical violations are handled by military courts and personnel. I looked at the list you linked to, and oddly the list did not include the reasons the military people were fired for. Below is a link to a list compiled by The Navy Times of the recent firings of commanding officers, XO’s and senior enlisted Navy personnel. A brief synopsis of each case is given.

          http://www.navytimes.com/article/20121129/NEWS/211290323/Commanding-officer-XO-and-senior-enlisted-firings

          I really don’t expect you to alter your views that a sitting president is intentionally attempting to “destroy” his own country’s military. However, I’d hope that you would understand that I’m only giving a rational view of what you see as a bad situation.

      • IndianCowboy

        Can you can explain why one of his first actions as president was to attempt to defund healthcare for veterans, why the first sequester cuts were to the military, why military pensions were changed to 401 K’s and are now being cut? He signed this bill over Christmas. Can you explain why he shows nothing but disdain to our allies and yet sends billions in aid to Gaza, (Palestinians who hate us) the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Libya, and Syria? Look at what his rebels are doing to Christians in these places. Why did his Secretary of State Senator Kerry ease sanctions on Iran without even negotiating the freedom of American prisoners? He didn’t stand behind democratic revolutionaries, there, or in the Honduras, by the way. Why he would say in his own book, “If the political winds should change, he would stand with the Muslims?” Try to make sense of that statement. You either do or you don’t, wouldn’t you think? One doesn’t usually change sides. Or what would such circumstance be? And is he, or is he not, trying to tip the scales? I am sorry to write a long piece, as I hate them, in blogs, but you get the drift, LOL!

        • Really Though

          Attempt to defund healthcare for veterans? When did that happen? Can you provide a link to the legislative proposal or verbal quote? I’ll give you a link to a story (below) of his 2011 proposal to INCREASE VA funding, and this after he INCREASED VA funding in 2009

          http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/29/vets-salute-obama-on-funding/?page=all

          The military pensions cuts were part of the hard fought, inept do-nothing congress. Let’s not leave out that the budget bill was a “bi-partisan” agreement. Military pensions weren’t the only cuts to this budget. The long term unemployed took a hit also. But many lawmakers from both sides have stated that when congress returns in January they will address both issues. You can best bet that if any of the cuts are restored by congress, President Obama will sigh that also.

          Giving money and military assistance to, and dealing with “rouge” un-favored nations and leaders is nothing new for American foreign policy. The Mujahideen/Taliba in the Afghan/Soviet war, the Contras, Manuel Noreiga, Saddam Hussein, and the list goes on…

          The US doesn’t want Iran to develop a nuclear weapon. What does that have to do with prisoners? Typically, negotiations for Americans being detained or imprisoned in adversarial countries is done in secret. Although I don’t know all the facts surrounding their detention, I tend to question an American citizens mindset of wanting to “visit” a country our own government deems to be an “axis of evil.”

      • f8tule

        Really?? are you that blind “Really though”.. That is exactly what the ILLEGAL-ALIEN (NOT OUR POTUS) is doing.. he has almost succeeded. When he does succeed you will know, because there will be military at ever corner… or at least on every way out of the cities.. It is called Martial law,, why do you think that our gubmint is buying 10 billion rounds of hollow points???

        God says not to hate any person.. or judge any person… But judge their actions.. And every Obama action says and shows he is out to eradicate America and make way for the part of Agenda 21 that says the North American Union.. that’s why they are not doing anything about the borders…

        Unfortunately, people like you will only believe when you are standing in line at a FEMA camp near you..

        Get a relationship with Christ, while there is still time.. Good news, as of now, there is still time… I don’t want a war, but a war is coming to us… the other side is ready. Are you??

        • Really Though

          If I were a paranoid fanatic (which you seem to be), I would similar thoughts about the sudden surge of US domestic gun sales. As I said, I have no problem with your insane thoughts, or that you relay those thoughts on a blog. However, I’d have a problem if, or when you or those who think like you, start to act out on your paranoia.

          The fact is that “politically” (with your right to vote) you can change who’s in the White House. President Obama did nothing to prevent you from voting your conscience. The fact is YOU LOST! Get over it dude… Barack Obama is not out to get you. Frankly, I can assure you he cares less about your paranoid attitude. You are so upset that your guy didn’t win it’s causing you to have the insane idea’s. Take a Valium or a Prozac and chill out.

          • maggie

            You sir a the problem. People like you choose not to see or hear. Unfortunately your kind are the first to find out because you are unprepared. People are evil when given power and money. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Nothing has changed since The Man said this 2000 years a go. Take off your rose colored glasses before its too late for you too.

          • Really Though

            You mam are paranoid and delusional. I’ll pray for you…

          • fred pucker

            Are you really that stupid?
            I guess We should Quit Trashing Obama’s
            Accomplishments!

            He has an impressive list of accomplishments:

            First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

            First President to have a social security number belonging to another man, from a state he has never lived in.

            First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating
            of the United States.

            First President to violate the War Powers Act.

            First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally
            obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

            First President to require all Americans to purchase a
            product from a third party.

            First President to spend a trillion dollars on “shovel-ready”
            jobs when there was no such thing as “shovel-ready”
            jobs.* * * *

            First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over
            control of companies to his union supporters.

            First President to by-pass Congress and implement the
            Dream Act through executive fiat.

            First President to order a secret amnesty program that
            stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the
            U.S. including those with criminal convictions..

            First President to demand a company hand-over $20
            billion to one of his political appointees.

            First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation
            (Chrysler) to resign.

            First President to terminate America’s ability to put
            a man in space.

            First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and
            to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

            First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen
            without being present. (He was on vacation)

            First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law
            unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

            First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

            First President to tell a major manufacturing company in
            which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

            First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

            First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that
            had been properly issued years ago.

            First President to actively try to bankrupt an American
            industry (coal).

            First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

            First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

            First President to surround himself with radical left
            wing anarchists.

            First President to golf 73 separate times in his first
            two and a half years in office, 102 to date.

            First President to hide his medical, educational and travel
            records.

            First

            President to
            win a Nobel
            Peace Prize
            for doing
            NOTHING to
            earn it.

            First

            President to
            go on multiple
            “global
            apology tours”
            and concurrent
            “insult our
            friends”
            tours.

            First

            President to
            go on 17
            lavish
            vacations,
            including date
            nights and
            Wednesday
            evening White
            House parties
            for his
            friends paid
            for by the
            taxpayers.

            First

            President to
            have 22
            personal
            servants
            (taxpayer
            funded) for
            his wife.

            First

            President to
            keep a dog
            trainer on
            retainer for
            $102,000 a
            year at
            taxpayer
            expense.* * *
            *

            First

            President to
            fly in a
            personal
            trainer from
            Chicago at
            least once a
            week at
            taxpayer
            expense.* * *
            *

            First

            President to
            repeat the
            Holy Quran
            & tell us
            the early
            morning call
            of the Azan
            (Islamic call
            to worship) is
            the most
            beautiful
            sound on
            earth.

            First

            President to
            tell the
            military men
            and women that
            they should
            pay for their
            own private
            insurance
            because they
            “volunteered
            to go to war
            and knew the
            consequences.”

            First

            President to
            tell the
            members of the
            military that
            THEY were
            UNPATRIOTIC
            for balking at
            the last
            suggestion.* *
            * *

            First

            President to
            side with a
            foreign nation
            over one of
            the American
            50 states
            (Mexico vs.
            Arizona).

            How

            is Obama’s
            “Hope and
            Change”
            working out
            for you?”
            Obama should
            be arrested
            and impeached
            for only a few
            of his “Great
            Accomplishments.”

      • fred pucker

        Name ONE person that is NOT military that Obama has fired. Then start through the list of General officers he has either forced to retire or Fired. Great disparity, because he cannot tolerate a military general that goes against his grain and stands up for the troops…….

        • Really Though

          Gerald Walpin

        • Really Though

          In addition to answering your question, let me add one more thing. Since you wish to call them “firings” instead of “removal from command” (which they actually are), but I’ll use your “fired” term.

          Historically when our country has been at war, president’s have “fired” generals over policy disagreements. Lincoln and Roosevelt, both wartime presidents, removed (ahhh… fired) a large number of generals. This administration has “fired” many because of poor judgment, malfeasance or ethical violations. My assertion can be easily verified if you care to look at each case. Moreover, if you look at the number of military “firings” in the past, you’ll find a relatively similar number of them.

    • zombiekiller117

      Well, he’s already got targets printed of us…

      http://lightgateblogger.com/2013/02/20/dhs-fema-police-using-civilian-shooting-posters-for-training-why/

      Note, all the targets shown are of White people, it’s safe to say Obama is Anti-White at the very least.

  • Korban Dallas

    So many people are quick to judge based on just one side of testimony. I’m sure no one here really knows what happened. That is why there are courts. They must find out what happened and why. Of course people have strong feelings about this. However imagine if a soldier shot your son or father or husband while he was going about his business. If you are going to kill, make sure you kill the right people. If they are helping terrorists – they are just as guilty and deserve death.

  • trooper4truth

    Obama’s rules of engagement. Obama should be doing 30 in Leavenworth!

    • maggie

      Hung upside down with a broom in his arse for 30 thirty years, then taken down to be flogged daily.

      • f8tule

        no need to tell what hell will be like.. .We simply need to get rid of the enemy agent, ILLEGAL-ALIEN occupying our white house, that for some reason OUR TRAITOROUS gubmint let’s hang out there..

        someone puts his life on the line for other men and women and he gets the shaft like this.. Yes, we do need to help him.. This is not the first and definitely won’t be the last unless WE THE PEOPLE put an end to this..
        AND THIS HAS NO COLOR (race for libturds) BOUND TO IT, for they will do this to anyone that harms a mooslim..

        May God have mercy on our souls for what we are about to have to do in order to bring God’s country back to him…
        prayer and action, not voting will bring our country back..

        • Really Though

          God have mercy on your soul for what you are “ABOUT” to do???? Voting won’t bring the country back??? Yet you attempt the claim that the president is out to get you? No soldiers have been quartered on your property. No right to your freedom of speech, religion nor the press (you social networking here) has been denied. Mind you, I feel for the Lt. and his family. Yet, he is not the first soldier tried and convicted of a military crime. And as long as their are wars with US involvement, unfortunately, he won’t be the last. You’re not stable dude.

          • zombiekiller117

            The USA is flooded with millions of 3rd World immigrants who we’re expected to ‘integrate’ and ‘assimilate’ to become a ‘melting pot’ of ‘blended humanity’

            The attempt to destroy the USA, and EVERY White country, through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            Obama and Congress have facilitated this, as such those persons are guilty of treason, Anti-White.
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Really Though

            So wouldn’t that make Kevin Jackson a subversive? I could give my so-called “liberal” views all day on this blog without showing my face. Yet, I could meet you and charm you with every tenet of conservative ideology you could image. What I can’t do is change my race (which by the way, is black). Therefore if I did meet you and say nothing at all, (according to your beliefs and fears of white GENOCIDE), I would be by virtue of my race alone, your adversary.

            The idea that white America is under attack is “self contrived” state of paranoia.

          • zombiekiller117

            You DENY that USA, and EVERY White country is flooded with millions of non-Whites who we’re expected to integrate and ‘assimilate’ to create a ‘melting pot’ of ‘blended humanity’ ?

            What if I said the race problem could would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into Black countries, and by having all those Black people ‘assimilate’ i.e inter-marry with all those non-blacks ?

            How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a ‘race’ problem, I’m talking about the final solution to the Black problem ?

            And how long would it take any sane Black man to notice this and what kind of psycho Black man wouldn’t object to this ?

            But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the White race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a ‘naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews’.

            They say they are anti-racist. What they are is Anti-White.

            ‘Anti-racist’ is a code word for Anti-White.

          • Really Though

            What you fail to realize is that your ideology is part and parcel of a lost idealistic cause. There’s nothing that you can do about it. If the world is meant to go “colored” there’s nothing you can do to stop it. The same would be true if the world was meant to be occupied by only whites. The fact is that if we all want to see this thing called “humanity” continue to exist, our best bet is to get along and accept what ever “race” we all are, or will be. And by the way, if I were white, asian, latin or whatever, I’d have the exact same outlook of life.

          • zombiekiller117

            “The fact is that if we all want to see this thing called “humanity” continue to exist, our best bet is to get along and accept what ever “race” we all are, or will be”

            So to save ‘humanity’ my people, White people must accept our own Genocide ?

            You are a psychopathic Anti-White

            The attempt to destroy the USA, and EVERY White country, through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Really Though

            Look Zombie, your people are not going anywhere. And if they do, you’ll be far long gone and forgotten.

            Anti-white? Sorry dude, I can’t admit or claim to be something I’m not. That’s your angle.

          • zombiekiller117

            You sound exactly like ‘anti-racist Hitler’…….

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og

        • maggie

          Amen. There should never be a criminal trial for our military men. It belongs in the military. The useless puke that killed our men at Fort Hood should have been tried for treason and terrorism and murder and hung outside Ft.Hood base for a week.

  • cynicrealist

    I GUESS THIS NEGRO KING NEEDS A PRIVATE SLOVIK. THE NIGLET NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT AS DOES THE PROSECUTOR.

    • Really Though

      You’ve come to the right place with those comments. According to many black conservatives, you don’t exist.

    • robocop33

      Just stupid remarks that don’t help the Lt.

    • Jonathan Ramey

      This person is a plant. It matters not he is a negro what matters is he isa traitor plain and simple.

      • Really Though

        Are the four “Vote Up” plants also?

    • zombiekiller117

      Slovik was a coward who deserved death.

  • robocop33

    We need everryone to support this HERO! Vietnam Veterans remember the stupid ROE’s of Vietnam and how the got so many of our guys killed. We all need to band together and demand his conviction be overturned.

  • Barbara Sturgill Kitchen

    Maybe he can be pardoned by the next president. I will never be ashamed of America, but I am ashamed of the government.

  • texas_pete

    If we’re there to KILL the enemy….let’s get the job done with full force and get the hell out of there.

    • Steve Rose

      I’m with you Pete! American soldiers are losing their lives with these dopey rules. The object of war is as General Patton said (loosely worded) is to make the other poor S.O.B. die for his country or cause.We’re supposed to be there to win or else get out. Some Commander-in-Chief!

  • Silly Liberals

    Democrats cheer when our soldiers are murdered.

  • Richard Dimsey

    When will we stop talking/complaining about the ignorant/illogical/unconstitutional behavior out of Washington towards our military and be willing to take a blow for doing what’s right before it’s too late. (1) they deny our freedom of speech (you can’t talk about the Lord or what the Bible teaches), well every Christian military personal unify and go to their Commander, together, and tell them that “we will not/cannot honor that command”, (2) in groups do the same thing on behalf 1LT Clint Lorance. Put these uncontitutional/immoral liberals, in Washington, who are destroying our nation and what it’s meant to stand for on the defensive. If we are not willing to do these things, then I would just as soon not hear any more complaining.

  • MCCAS

    This is the most outrageous and disgusting thing I have seen in a while. How dare some JAG court and JAG judge sentence the LT to prison. How dare this Government ask us young men to go to some foreign land and fight an enemy that is your friend during breakfast but at night, trying to kill you…what do you expect from us!? This article makes me ashamed of the government and military that I gave 6 years of my life to as an Infantryman. I’m truly disgusted. My heart goes out to the LT and his family.
    I hope you appeal and win!

  • Steve Son

    He made the right call. Our military justice system is broken.

  • Tiffany Minor

    The question remain, Why are US forces still there? To keep funding Political BS

  • twoandout

    Any wonder why I have discouraged my Grandsons from joining the military?
    If we had these rules in 1941 we would all be Goose Stepping in a Nazi parade. This is disgraceful – at best.

    • zombiekiller117

      Given the current situation I honestly have to say that torchlight parades, flags and Nazi’s aren’t looking all that bad.
      What the hell do I care anyway, I’m not a jew.
      Had Hitler won WW2 do you really think he would have flooded USA with Mexicans and installed a half Black homosexual communist as the head of state ?

      • twoandout

        I must sincerely disagree.

        At 75 I have seen and lived through a lot. I remember the
        NAZI’s. I know what they are capable of.
        I want no part of them.

        True, our country has changed drastically and it no longer the
        country I grew up in. I miss the old USA. The Government has grown too large: Our politicians are getting worse every year: The regulations are becoming more and more oppressive: The bureaucracy has more and more power and is more and more oppressive.

        All that being said, I sure do not want another Hitler,
        Stalin, Mao or any of the despots of the past. Our President is probably the worst we have ever had – certainly the worst of my lifetime, but thank God he is not Hitler.

        I am not fond of having illegal aliens here, but it is better than having them in concentration camps and gassing them.

        Thanks, but no thanks – I will take our country, as sorry as
        our leadership has become, over the NAZI’s any day.

        • zombiekiller117

          At 75 years old you were born in 1938, therefore you do not remember the German National Socialists but instead recall only the wartime propaganda that was fed to you as a 3-7 year old.
          As somebody who is prepared to give his country away to 3rd Worlders rather then resist White Genocide you have no right to question the man who saved 1/2 of Europe from Communism and who fought against those Anti-Whites who sought only to turn EVERY White country into a 3rd World slum of freaky mixed up ‘blended humanity’.
          The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE, Anti-White.

          • twoandout

            Your math is good.
            Your reasoning is flawed.

          • zombiekiller117

            If you support 3rd World immigration to White countries then YOUR reasoning is flawed.
            Anti-White much ?

          • Really Though

            Ohhhhhhhh. Now I get it. You’re a racist. Why don’t you just say so dude. It’s ironic how your type seeks out black conservatives to dupe with your rhetoric. Hey look dude, I’m a black guy. How about I become your blog post troll? Hell, I’ll even let you call me the “N” word. I’ve got some time off work for the holidays and enjoy a good debate. So, what say you…wanna play?

          • zombiekiller117

            ‘racist’ is a Hate word. You ONLY use it because I’m White.
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White
            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

          • Really Though

            I would have never used had you not wrote what “you” wrote! You’re the one that has the mindset of a paranoid victim. Frankly, I wouldn’t want any race to become victimized by genocide. What you’re really objecting to is the mixing of the races, which is something you as an individual, have absolutely no control over. The only racial lineage that you have control over, are the gene’s passed on from your loins. The vast majority of white Americans, (whom by the way, don’t think like you) are not racist paranoids like you.

          • zombiekiller117

            You claim “I wouldn’t want any race to become victimized by genocide” while defending the Anti-White agenda of non-White immigration integration and ‘assimilation’ in ONLY White countries.

            The races are NOT mixing outside of White countries.

            ONLY White countries are targeted like this.

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Dude you are a racist and a bigot ! Your stumping for freaking Hitler, a man who murdered 6 million Jews and nearly as many Russians. The last time I looked, these where white people. But, by your rational they don’t count,because they where jews and commies. Quite the guy to hero worship. I suppose as a Native American, I’m not worthy either. Stay in your trailer park where you can race bait as much as you want and produce more uneducated morons.

            Peace

          • zombiekiller117

            (1) Jews don’t consider themselves White, they consider themselves to be jews and have recently introduced DNA tests to confirm that immigrants to Israel are jews.

            (2) The jew run NKVD (forunner of the KGB) murdered 66 million White Christians in Russia and 9 million in Ukaine

            (3) The USA didn’t care Russians are White either, and in fact has an entire nuclear arsenal aimed at obliterating Russia even to this day.

            (4) ‘racist’ is a Hate word, you only use it because I’m White
            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            1. Jews consider themselves to be jews because they are jews. There is no DNA TEST that can confirm someones religion. That is just BS made up some of your bigoted friends.
            2. The NKVD was run by Stalin and his pals. The Jews in Russia were scrambling to get out of Russia, just as the Jews in Germany, Poland and Austria were scrambling to get away from Hitler and the Nazi animals. In addition Stalin was responsible for the slaughter of millions of Russians…not the jews. Again a frabication.
            3. The U.S. Has its nuclear arsenal targeted at Russia, Iran, China, N. Korea and whomever it would like to scare the crap out of. The U.S. Doesn’t care that the Russians are white, black or pink. All it cared about, was that the Russians where and continue to be a threat to the U.S. It has nothing to do with race at all. If you where intelligent enough, you would realize that Russia is a nation of many ethnic groups and races.
            4. I use racist in relation to you, because your bigotted remarks make it obvious that you are.
            5. Stop believing all slanted and unfounded BS your KKK and white power buddies are feeding you.
            6. Please get fixed so you can’t produce anymore bigots, racist and uneducated white trash.

            Peace

          • zombiekiller117

            You ONLY call me ‘racist’ because I’m White

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

            http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

            You are just Anti-White and are obviously an advocate of White Genocide.

          • Tbolt

            Unlike you, I am not an advocate of genocide of any race. I’m a advocate for all humanlty, no matter their race, religion or sexuality.

            Please come up with a different retort, it is borish and shows your bias.

            Peace

          • zombiekiller117

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Zombiekille117 is a codeword for bigotted racist white trash, who isn’t intelligent enough to think for himself.

          • zombiekiller117

            You only say that because I’m White
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White
            As an ‘advocate for humanity’, which non-White populations do you DEMAND ‘mix’ and ‘blend’ their countries out of existence, or are you ONLY Anti-White ?

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

          • Tbolt

            I only say it because you are a racist narrow minded moron.

            In addition, genocide is a mass murder of a group of people. It is not an assimilation of a group.

          • zombiekiller117

            You only say that because I’m White
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White
            Genocide is clearly defined under the 1948 Genocide Convention.
            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE.

          • Tbolt

            Genocide is clearly defined by the 1948 UN accords and it has nothing to do with race assimilation. It was passed in response to Hitler and Nazi Germanys mass murder of the Jews during WW II. Yes…your hero, Hitlers attempt to rid Europe of the jews and not the intergration of whites with other races and ethnic groups. But, as a race hater, you and your other white trash buddies are to stupid to realize, race integration has been happening since the dawn of man.

            You are and will always be a race hater and race baiter, because of your inability to get ahead in life.

          • zombiekiller117

            Every argument you make keeps leading back to a World without White children.

            Creating a World without White children is Genocide

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE.

            ‘antiracist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            You have no arguement, because you are an uneducated moron, who tries to twist everything to fit your narrow minded brain.

            Shoot, blame your fellow narrow minded slave owners in U.S. History. They loved to have sex with their slaves. Even Thomas Jefferson is known to have fathered several children with his slaves. These are people of similar thinking to you, be pissed at them. But, you and your other KKK pals don’t like to admit that.

            Your only arguement is to twist the truth to fit your bigoted racist mindset.

          • zombiekiller117

            Now you are tying to Justify Genocide

            Nobody DEMANDS that Japan and EVERY Asian country ‘mix’ and ‘blend’ out of existence because Yoko Ono married John Lennon

            Nobody DEMANDS Kenya and EVEY Black country ‘mix’ and ‘blend’ out of existence because Barack Obama Snr married Stanley Ann Dunham

            ONLY in White countries are we expected to accept such SILLY excuses for GENOCIDE

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            O.K. Moron, who is demanding that every “White” country mix and blend ?

            I can’t wait for your answer.

          • zombiekiller117

            Anti-Whites advocate for the destruction of EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’, SILLY

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Just as I thought…you have nothing. You have zero proof of this…ZERO !!!

            Just more of your racist bigotted BS. Come on now, whip out your proof of this. Wait, you can’t, because you have nothing…NOTHING!!!

            That wasn’t even a decent try, you Nazi retard.

          • zombiekiller117

            ‘racist’ is a Hate word, you use it because you are Anti-White

            You DENY that White countries are flooded with 3rd Worlders we’re expected to ‘assimilate to ‘blend humanity’ ?

            Tell that to Lee Rigby’s wife or to Chris Lane’s family, or the victims of the Anti-White knockout game, or the owners of the burnt out and looted shops in Tottenham….

            All anybody has to do is walk the streets of London, Paris, Berlin, Sydney, Los Angeles, the burnt out wreck of Tottenham or any other major city in any White country to see the truth of the matter.

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Chris Lane was murdered by three teens…one who happened to be white. Pretty poor example. The other fellow was murdered by two blacks with mental issues.

            Here are several examples of whites subjagating countries;
            Australia by the British…wholesale murder of the natives.
            South Africa…Invaded first by the Dutch(Boers) and later by the Brits. Wholesale murder of the black natives. British interest in minerals of the country. Country later freed of white re after numerous years of black subjugation and murder.
            Congo invaded by the Belguims. Blacks later revolted and gained their freedom.
            North Africa…invaded by the French and English for simply spreading of their empire and exploitation of the minerals.
            India…taken over by the English and after numerous years of subjagation, freed after revolting.
            New Zealand….wholesale murder of the matives of that country by the Emglish.
            North America…invaded by the British, French and Dutch, resulted in wholesale destruction of the natives of Canada and the United States. The English by far responsible for the worst of this.
            Pacific Islands…all Islands invaded by Britian and later the United States. Reason to spread tbeir empires.
            Mexico…invaded by the Spanish and destroyed the Aztecs and Mayans. Reason to exploit the minerals and precious metals of the country. Hundreds of thousands slaughtered. France later attempted to invaded the country and results in them getting their ass kicked.

          • Tbolt

            In addition the remainder of the West Indie Islands by the Spanish, English, French, Dutch and the U.S.
            Central America by the Spanish, English, French and U.S. To spread empire and rape the land of its resources. Resulting in the slaughter of the natives of those lands.

            Middle East…numerous religous crusades to take over the “holy lands”

            I can keep going, but I won’t because it will fall on stupid ears.

            You can pretend the white is innocent of any wrong doing, which would be the farthest thing from the truth. They are responsible for all the problems you would like to blame on other races.
            Whites are directly responsible for the wholesale murder of Africans and taking them as slaves and importing them into their so called countries.

            So you may keep going in your ignorant views, but facts are facts. Whites exploited numerous races in the hopes of gaining wealth and spreading their footprint through out “third world countries”

          • zombiekiller117

            You are making excuses to Justify White Genocide.

            The Old Testament says jews invaded Canaan, took the land and slaughtered and enslaved the Canaanites.
            Does that justify the ‘holocaust’ to you, or are you ONLY Anti-White ?

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            I could give two craps what it says in the old or new testament ! But, by you even mentioning it, makes it clear that you think that it is fine for whites to inflect wholesale slaughter on many races, over hundreds of years, across the globe. Which by the simplest definition makes you are racist.

            Keep making excuses for your bias, Hitler the murder made some of the same excuses.

            You think it is fine for whites to attempt to erase whole races and cultures. But, one person of color attempts to move into a country that whites took over by rape and murder and that person of color is the evil one.

            Your an idiot !!! Your a racist !!! Your a bigot and most of all you are the lowest form of white trash !!!

          • zombiekiller117

            ‘Racist’ is a Hate word, you only use it because I’m White.

            White is a color but you don’t consider us people, you pretend not to see us, you want us to disappear.

            Interesting how self-proclaimed ‘anti-racists’ have no problem with racial slurs or insults when those racial slurs, such as ‘white trash’ are directed at White people…..

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Again you are a moron !!!

            White is a pigmentation off your skin. But, as an uneducated moron, you wouldn’t know that. All races have a wide spectrum of pigmentation in their skin, ranging from very light skinned to very dark skinned. Again, as an uneducated idiot, you wouldn’t realize or understand that.

            I do consider whites people, I happen to be married to a white lady. Unlike you, I don’t classify people by their race. I classify them by their character

            I don’t want to see white people disappear. I only want to see white trash, like you disappear.

            As I posted earlier, the white race has been practicing wholesale genocide on other races for hundreds of years. This is real genocide, not your demented definition of genocide.Its clear you would like other races to disappear or go back to their third world countries. Third world countries, that white people invaded and practiced wholesale genocide and then raped the land of its resources.

          • zombiekiller117

            “Unlike you, I don’t classify people by their race”
            then you post
            “the white race has been practicing wholesale genocide on other races for hundreds of years”
            Contradict yourself much ?

            You claim you don’t classify by race then immediately classify by race !!!

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            It is a fact moron, it is only a contradiction in your racist view. You only see people by the color of their skin and you are incapable to judge them by who they are.

            You can ignore and deny facts all you want. It still doesn’t change that it is a fact…and one that you have no comeback for.

            Refute the facts pal !!! I know you’ll comeback with the same tired drivel, that you copy and paste on all your posts…borish.

            As a Native American, you have absolutely zero claim to this country.

            Now get your white trash ass out and take your white trash friends and family with you.

            I know, you won’t leave. You will just put on your sheets this weekend and burn some crosses in the name of your god, after you finished your day of work at the local Wal Mart or McDonalds…that is, if you actually work.

          • zombiekiller117

            It is Snow White not Pocahontas who is ‘fairest of them all’

            When White people selfishly have sex with non-whites and have ‘mixed’ children that beauty is destroyed.
            You are willing participant in the destruction of this beauty.
            To willfully destroy what you know to be beautiful is evil.

            The attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, EVERY White
            country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Just as thought…you have zippo to refute the facts.

            The only thing you have is your racist white trash nazi skinhead KKK filth.

          • zombiekiller117

            What ‘facts are there to refute, all you’ve done post a stream of insults and childish name-calling…
            Strange how so-called ‘anti-racists’ are so frequently dropping racial slurs……

            The attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, EVERY White
            country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Refute the facts of whites slaughtering numerous races, across the globe for hundreds of years. Invading their lands and raping the land of its resources. Enslaving people and ripping them away from their families and their land.

            I only slander you, because you make so so easy with your racist white power views.

            Dispute the facts above and dispute the fact that you are a racist.

          • zombiekiller117

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1y_0NfhF9c

            You are simply trying to Justify Genocide.
            You can not use pre-1948 events to excuse Genocide in a post-1948 World.

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            I see, you get your history from Hollywood. Rather intelligent of you. Its ok to slaughter Native Americans, after all the fight each other.

            That is your justification for whites slaughtering millions of Native Americans.

            Hear are some great examples of whites doing the same thing, but on a much larger scale.

            French & Indian war in North America…French and British battle each other for control of North America.
            Seven Years War…nearly all european battle in what is widely considered the first world war.
            American War of Independence…Britian exerts it rule over the American colonies and results in a global conflict with France and Spain.
            French Revolution…civil war in France that spreads through all of Europe and North Africa.
            American Civil War…northern and southern states go to war over states rights and slavery. Southern states lose the war and all slaves are freed. Southerners still pissed about losing.

          • zombiekiller117

            Ok, now we’re getting somewhere. You admit that White people have done nothing uniquely evil as all peoples have conquered others, even as the Amer-Indians did to each other.

            The only difference is that White people were more efficient.

            However in 1948 to end the slaughter we signed the 1948 Genocide Convention. You can’t Justify Genocide in a post-1948 World based on pre-1948 events

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            “We” didn’t sign the Genocide convention, the UN signed it. Made of many nations of many races. Not once in this convention does it mention race mixing as a form of genocide. Clearly this convention was to discuss wholesale slaughter of races, such as Hitlers murder of 6 million jews and not race mixing.

            Keep trying bigot

          • zombiekiller117

            The Convention applies to ALL nations regardless of whether they signed it or not. The Convention becomes void only if there are less then 16 nations which have not renounced the Convention.

            The attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Hey Zombie, how was the Klan rally today ? Burn any crosses ? You probably burned trash, because you couldn’t afford the wood and gas for a cross.

            In addition, you are still wrong. The convention applies to wholesale murder…not once does it even mention race mixing. You have tried poorly to twist a well meaning accord into one of your white trash racist mantras. It might work with your half witted pals, but it won’t work with any one with even half a brain.

          • zombiekiller117

            The 1948 Convention clearly defines Genocide under international law.
            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Again you dim witted jackass, it is clearly defined and it has nothing to do with your racist twist on it. It has nothing to do with 3rd world immigration and assimilation, that is your racist white trash nazi loving twist on it. It only has to do with wholesale murder on a group of people…such as Hitler and Nazi Germanys attempt to eliminate the Jews.

            Has your family inbreed so much, that you can’t tell the difference between right and wrong.
            Stop banging the family sheep and learn how to read!!!

          • zombiekiller117

            It seems you are resorting to racial slurs and insults, again.

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            You seem to have some question about me insulting you. Well, to make it perfectly clear to you…yes, I am insulting you !!!

            I guess all of your family inbreeding has dulled your mind enough, that you are unable to tell when you are being insulted.

            My new mantra for you is going to be…Stop banging the family sheep and learn how to read. The reasoning is very simple…I feel you fully understand about screwing sheep and it is probably the only thing you are actually good at. That is, besides banging the rest of your family members.

            As Jeff Foxworthy is found of saying…You know your a racist piece of garbage when your family tree goes straight up.

          • Really Though

            Tbolt, I’m afraid to say that your efforts to educate Zombie are futile. Take a look at their (or his) Facebook page.

            https://www.facebook.com/pages/Anti-Racist-is-a-Code-Word-for-Anti-White/278185745592116

            At first I thought, perhaps this guy is just some nutcase trolling a Black Conservative’s blog. Turns out that he’s on a mission. Whoever he is, he’s part of a far right-wing conspiracy propagandist’s group. He’s only here to bolster his/their “Mantra” in hopes of converting sane (yet politically disgruntled) white conservatives. However, it is possible that some, most or all of his “vote up’s” have come from trolls that are already part of his moronic clan. You’ve passed on a wealth of knowledge, but as I’ve said, I think it’s useless on him. He’s completely strung out on the lies and misconceptions.

          • Tbolt

            It has been fun getting this bigot to actually say what his bias really is, instead of his twisted mantra ” anti racist is code word for anti white”.
            He is a racist and the only way to expose him is by drawing him out and insulting him until he can’t stand it any longer. At which point he explodes and spills his hatred for all to see.
            He has been taught by his racist buddies to be respectful, but stick to the party line and mantra. If you sat down to interview this person, you would soon realize that they are a brainless idiot.

          • Tbolt

            In addition…white man bad before 1948…White man good after 1948.
            Without a doubt, that is your dumbest unintelligent post

            Keep trying cowboy, keep posting your racist drivel and keep trying to justify the wholesale slaughter of millions by whites.

            What happened to you, that you hate all races other than whites. Was your Daddy and Grandpappy card carring members of the KKK or some other racist group. Rebel flag tat on your backside, right next to your Mommas name. What is it ? Black kid kicked your ass all over the school yard after you called him a N word. Your sister ran away with an hispanic dude. I know, it was your Momma that took with someone of color. You sit there, in your single wide, bursting with hatred to the man of color who soiled your Momma.

            Bingo !!!

          • zombiekiller117

            Again you are resorting to name calling and racial insults.

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Here is an even better one…you hate all races, other than whites, because you got raped by all the other races in prison, when you where serving your sentence for being a pedophile and child porngrapher.

          • zombiekiller117

            Goebbels demonised the jews by claiming they murdered
            Christian children as part of passover rituals.

            It is common practice to falsely accuse those targeted with GENOCIDE as being responsible for horrible outrages against woman and children.

            Thank you for so openly displaying the techniques of vilification in GENOCIDE
            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            Only a race hating piece of white trash would think to quote a nazi war criminal, responsible for the murder and attempted genocide of a group of people.

            Hang it up nazi lover, everyone sees through your stupid attempts to twist history.

          • zombiekiller117

            None the less, the attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Tbolt

            None the less, you are and will always be an uneducated moron.

          • zombiekiller117

            You ONLY say that because I’m White
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

          • Tbolt

            I only say that because you are a racist white trash piece of gerbage.

            Stop banging the family sheep and learn how to read.

          • Tbolt

            None the less, you are self loathing bigot and will remain so for the remainder of your pathetic life. Which, by the way, we can only hope is very short.

          • Tbolt

            Only a piece of crap racist would quote a Nazi war criminal and a coward to boot.

            Sounds like your trying to claim that Hitler and his other Nazi queers were falsely accused of murdering more than six million Jews.

          • Really Though

            I just noticed something there Zombie. Looking a the video you posted, I realized this discussion of “race” is entirely off subject. So I clicked on your handle to read some of your past comments. And lo’ and behold, it seems that no matter what the subject matter you comment about race. Not only that, but you use that same mantra, “anti racist is code for anti white”, on almost every thread.

            Being that I’d never heard the phrase, I did a quick Google search. Again, to no surprise, it turns out that the phrase is the caterwaul of a rambling 200 word screed used excite (and lull) the followers in the White Nationalist Movement.

            It’s safe to assume that you know who Timothy Gallagher Murdock (a.k.a., Horus the Avenger) is…right? According to The Southern Poverty Law Center, Murdock is a 43 year old unemployed bum amphetamine addict who lives in his parents basement and trolls the internet to post on sites like this one. Does the name and resume ring a bell Zombiekiller?

            You guys troll conservatives sites in hopes of picking up recruits. Hopefully one day folks like Kevin will take a serious look at efforts like yours, and realize that the conservative movement does have a problem with those of your ilk.

          • zombiekiller117

            None the less, the attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Really Though

            None the less???? You’re supposed to have slick styled propaganda ready to thwart any assertion contrary to your beliefs. One or two canned responses is far to few for the type of opposition you’re facing. Come on now…get with the program! “None the less” is not a quantifiable response.

            Look…here’s what you’re going to do. Go to the White GeNOcide website and

          • zombiekiller117

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Really Though

            That’s all they instructed you to say? That’s it? I don’t believe you asked anyone! You didn’t even go to the site…did you? I know you didn’t, because if you had they would have given you a more cogent response. After all, most (if not all) of your white nationalist buddies are a lot smarter than you. They would have given you a convincing and compelling smack down to use on me.

          • zombiekiller117

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Really Though

            Come on now dude… I’ll be nice about it. Will you PLEASE contact your head honcho and get another line of defense. If you’re willing to debate an issue, you can’t just repeat the same thing over and over again. (you do know that’s the definition of insanity…don’t you?) You’re not a prisoner of war here (at least not yet…) Heck, I’m not that scary, am I?

            I’m not going to give up until you have a better response. At least attempt to “rephrase” the statement. Have some backbone. Use some creativity. I understand that it’s hard for you. If your Grand Poobah or Exalted Overlord were to read this, he (or she) would be ashamed of you! Come on dude dig in! If you need some help, I’ll help you out. I’ll help you rephrase the statement. If you want me to help you out, just post it again and I’ll rephrase it for you…okay?

          • zombiekiller117

            You cannot ‘debate’, justify or excuse Genocide.

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Really Though

            Very good! You posted the phrase again. I knew I could get you to follow orders. Now you can see that I’m no different than the white nationalists that programmed you! Now for good measure, post the phrase one more time so that we can begin making you the best white nationalist you can be. However, if you vary from this program and write something else we’ll have to start all over again. But the good part is, after we’re done you’re gonna make the rest of your group members look like Jethro Bodine.

          • zombiekiller117

            Why don’t you explain why you think it’s acceptable to support Genocide ?
            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE
            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Really Though

            Okay… you followed the instructions, but only up to a point. You screwed up because I told you not to vary from the phrase. Didn’t I tell you NOT to vary from the phrase? Now we have to start from scratch. Let’s see…

            Alright, let’s get a bit more formal. I’ve been to your cohorts website, and I’ve seen video of your some of your buddies and folks. So it’s only fair and kindly that I let you see some of my folks. Below is a link to a few pictures of family and friends.

            This is myself and my wife…
            http://iswirl.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/42-197698151.jpg

            my brother and his wife…
            http://25.media.tumblr.com/f25dac715efa3650d820e30d595abe3f/tumblr_mhd94yGdL51ql7xtio1_1280.jpg

            and my good friend Van Jones and his wife and kids
            http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/dbr_alert/22048211/277/277_320.jpg

            Now that we’re a bit more familiar with one another, we can get started on turning you into a picture of pride! post your phrase one more time and we’ll get started….

          • zombiekiller117

            2nd Time, Why don’t you explain why you think it’s acceptable to support Genocide ?

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Really Though

            Okay… Let’s get started. First things first…

            You need to follow these instructions and complete each assignment. First assignment;

            A healthy body breeds a healthy mind. You’ll need to do some cardio The easiest way (and most fun) is through dance! Being that some people just don’t have any rhythm (and guys like you definitely don’t) I have a video for your instruction. Just watch it closely and do as the dancer does. Here’s the “George Jefferson Shuffle!”

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQQfv9kg48k

          • zombiekiller117

            3rd Time, Why don’t you explain why you think it’s acceptable to support Genocide ?

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • Really Though

            How was your dance lesson? Good I hope…

            Next assignment;

            After that good workout, you more than likely are all sweaty and stinking like a pig pen. So your second assignment is to take a nice long bath. Make sure to wash behind your ears.

          • MoonBeamWatcher

            WoW you sure are a piece of SH – T!

          • zombiekiller117

            You only call me names because I’m White

            2nd Time, Which non-White populations do you DEMAND ‘mix’ and ‘blend’ their countries out of existence, or are you ONLY Anti-White ?

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

        • IndianCowboy

          Have you seen the speeches and videos of Kitty Werthman, Austrian survivor of the holocaust, re: the actions of Hitler and those of this president and progressives? There are several.

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        You are one sick Racist, Homophobic SOB!

        • zombiekiller117

          ‘Racist’ is a Hate word, you only use it because I’m White
          ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

          You are homosexual, no ?

  • Scott McEwen

    Great Article Tami!

  • AllLibsLie

    This is a virtual repeat of our military’s conduct policies in Viet Nam.

  • chichilouise

    This is what happens when a soul sucking leftist sits in the White House. President soul sucker can brag ‘I am good at killing people’ but will not let our troops fire on enemy. The seals killed in the Helicopter were a prime example of soldiers who did NOT have to die, but were unable to shoot to defend themselves due to rules of engagement. Obama the soul sucker is responsible for the death of every one of them. And if this soldier had NOT fired, this would be another replay of ‘Lone Survivor.’

  • AL349

    Maybe the Lt will have a cellmate in 2017 named Barack.

    • Jon Blackburn

      Barack isn’t nearly worthy enough to enjoy the company of a real Soldier.

      • kathgab

        That’s the damned truth!

  • Sheila Morlas

    WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH THIS COUNTRY….??? OH WAIT.. WE HAVE OBAMA AT THE HELM…

  • Lucas

    I do not have the facts of this case because I was not at the court martial and hope he got the fairest trial possible as any Hero deserves, but you people are just plain scary, hands up for all of you who will rush out to vote for the guy who was born in socialist Canada to a communist Cuban, sigh, facepalm for hypocrisy.

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      Lucas, ANYTHING would be better than what we have in there now! I’d rush out to vote for Mickey Mouse!!!

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    Australia calling – ridiculous. Sir, doesn’t the US UMCJ give the right of self defence? This is outrageous and we can no longer afford for this vitriolic persecution of our veterans, world wide, to continue.

  • Furbabys Tails

    As a private detective it is common sense to defend your self in a hostile enviroment. I have a friend that just came back from Afghanistan teaching Afghan soldiers how to do investigations etc. Just 6 months ago his partner was in a pick up truck and he was killed by a terrorist that came in to their compound dressed as a afghan citizen, the terrorist hid in the back of the truck. This happens every day. The afghan citizens walk around and the terrorists blend in with them. How is any soldier to know who is who. I heard so many stories of how the terrorists try to continually trick the American soldiers and actually dress in American uniforms. These sickos will do any thing when they want to kill Americans. This Army 1st LT should not be doing any time for having to make a choice to take two lifes that most likely would have killed his platoon!!
    ROE are one sided. They air on the side of the terrorists! Yet our government uses drones killing innocent kids and citizens and that is acceptable. This soldier needs to be freed.

  • Diana Michelle Padgett

    I am not in anyway saying I am for or against a civil war but I do
    believe things like this is just adding large amounts of fuel to the
    already emerging fire. What does it say about the state of this country
    when those who risk their lives to defend us don’t even have the right
    to defend themselves in a war zone?

  • Noahson

    In this chickenshit environment, how could any responsible adult encourage fine young Americans to enlist? I used to, but I don’t anymore.

    • MoonBeamWatcher

      “how could any responsible adult encourage Americans to enlist?”
      That is “The Ones” end game! Underflund military and so draw on the National Guard in MULTIPLE deployments that NOBODY joins NG either! Soon we won’t be able to win a war with a THIRD world country!

  • Carolsoos

    It’s like sending them to war with their hands tied behind their backs. That man probably saved many lives that day and came home and lost his life to the govt. We need help like now. Americans just can’t win. We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. That’s a no win situation. God help us! Bring that man home where he belongs!!!

  • SayQue

    Obama sucks

    • Chris Edwards

      How does this have anything to do with Obama? These ROE have been around a long time.

      • Cory

        The Obama administration has everything to do with it. The International Rules of Land Warfare are restrictive as is against an enemy with no rules but should not be confused with the current ROE on the ground in Afghanistan. For example: I was on the ground in Afghanistan when the policy of “Courageous Restraint” showed up. I remember thinking it was a “Joe Network” rumor spread to create a few laughs only to be ….for lack of better term, horrified it was really being implemented to appease the Karzi Afghan Government by our President and congressional leaders that were democrat at the time. Look it up. One of the policies is we cant operate at night which gives the advantage to the enemy who despite believes, are not stupid. They know the terrain and the ROE better than any American I have talked to. After nine years in the infantry I am in school studying political science and am amazed how little Americans know or understand whats going on. How our ROE has given the advantage to a very adaptive enemy and our officer core is to morally weak and career focused to stand up for whats right and the few that do are relieved (Gen. McChrystal being the first thou Rolling Stones was probably not the correct venue). Just to be clear, I am not bashing Obama. The Republican party is just as weak now after passing a bi-partisan budget that takes away from retired and disabled veterans while turning a blind eye to the artificially inflated tuition rates of our colleges and universities. Thus sucking every penny they can out of the GI Bill while policies are formed from public opinion in which most have never heard a shot in anger let alone left the safety of the state they reside nor understand the difference in terminology of the Laws of Land Warfare and ROE.

        • Chris Edwards

          Oh wow. Yes, there was some confusion, but I had no idea of the scope of things. Definitely understand the frustration.

          • Cory

            Actually I messed up. International Rules of Land Warfare is a real thing but what I meant was “Law of Armed Conflict”. Chris I will be honest with you, I have so many examples of why we are losing this war b/c of the ROE it truly would amaze you.

        • Smart Lemon

          “One of the policies is we cant operate at night”
          If you guys were told not to operate at night, that must have been a unit-imposed limitation. .

    • MoonBeamWatcher

      swalows too!

  • James Rea

    In today’s warfare environment, the LOAC and ROE are outdated and not applicable. Our troops are not fighting a conventional war against conventional forces. Our troops are engaged in an urban/rural guerilla type warfare. They need to have their hands untied and let them fight the way they need to. What 1LT Lorance did was necessary in order to preserve the safety of his troops. Troops need to fight the battles without politics being involved. They need to be allowed to use their gut feelings and their experience when it comes to decisions on the battlefield. More o our troops will stay alive this way.

  • Raymond Moser

    Alan West was voted out of office after one term by Florida voters, like me, who were embarrassed by his crazy right-wing nut ideas.

    • TS_1

      Name me one crazy right -wing nut idea? Maybe it only appears crazy to a crazy left- wing nut job?

      • Raymond Moser

        Allen West was voted out of office after one term in the 22nd Florida Congressional District, which was my home from 2008 thru 2012. He was perceived by the majority of the district’s voters to associate way too much with local motorcycle gangs and gun rights extremists. He alienated himself from the local Jewish residents of Palm Beach and the retirees from the Midwest and Northeast. In addition, he seemed more interested in national, extreme conservative politics than working with the local business community to spur economic development following the 2008 Great Recession. Those were the things that made Allen West a one term Congressman.

        • Thunderboy1

          That “Mass Transit” project would have cost more tax dollars than it would have brought i revenue. It would have just been another Amtrak.

          • Raymond Moser

            The goal was to make Florida even more attractive to vacationers who keep the state’s economy going. It is just a pain to get around the state. Florida is an international destination with a backwater transportation system. Aside from the benefits to Florida’s no. 1 money maker, an improved rail system would spurred the growth of Florida as a Port of Entry for Asian goods coming thru the expanded Panama Canal. The Inland Port idea for St. Lucie County would have created thousands of jobs and cut down on shipping costs for the eastern U.S. Failure to think BIG and outside the BOX keeps Florida under the control of rural conservative agricultural interests.

          • TS_1

            Passenger rail is a backwater transportation system. Freight but not commuter rail can be cost justified;and it does not need any government subsidies, it can be financed by CSX
            without public funding. 19th and 20th Century modes of transportation can not be classified as a modern mode of travel. Our Port is expanding rapidly without Federal dollars, thank you very much. It is connected by road and fright rail.

          • Raymond Moser

            The east coast of Florida connected to Orlando and Tampa is a need awaiting a solution. The idea to develop a speedy form of rail mass transit came from Florida transportation planners with tourist industry. The dominance of the rural,”old south” in Florida politics continues to stifle economic growth centered around urban centers. These same urban centers are leading the U.S. economic recovery and providing the jobs of the future. Florida should get on board.

          • alainsane

            I’m sorry your thoughtful posts aren’t eliciting the thoughtful discussion they deserve. :(

          • Raymond Moser

            I never expected a thoughtful discussion with right wing zealots. There was no good football or basketball game on, so I decided to kill time poking a stick at some snakes.

          • TS_1

            A transporation system based on passener rail will limit mobility. Name me one study that cost justfies passanger rail. Name me one passnger rail that operates in the back. All you want to do is push a centralized transportation system that will limit people’s freedom and mobility.
            The “good ‘ole boy” south is promoting rail not opposing rail. Too much money to make.
            Democrat poltics continues to stiffle economic growth through government run, government operated services. The greatest barrier to economic growth is central control and regulation of a free market. Nme me one governmen program or proect that ever paid for itself? AMTRAC? Post Office? Solar Energy? ad infinitum

          • Diane L Snow

            rules…father career air force…lived off base on okinawa native 10-12 yr old boys (steely boys) would sew razor blades into their coats break into your home rob you blind. if you grabbed the boy you messed up your hands if you hurt the boy you were at fault we were lucky not to have any intruders in our home. we did have a bat and were instructed how to use it in any case. if you hung your clothes out to dry you needed to watch them or they would come up missing. plant flowers they would come up missing and the natives would be selling them to your neighbors the very next day. rules for the military man and his family were not just they were rules. not in agreement with this mans sentence should be an award or medal or something

        • TS_1

          In my County we have $400 million in road maintainence backlogged and another $1.5 billion in new construction. Only 12.7 % of the stimulus was allocated to shovel ready infrastructure projects, the rest were politically inspired BS. Accordingly, you know where Obama’s high speed rail boondogle can be inserted?

          The rest you reference is just left wing generalities signifying nothing.

          • Raymond Moser

            Florida’s mass transit needs did not evaporate and can’t be met by local governments contracting road work to the local construction companies that contribute to the local Republican (and some Democrat) officials. Florida politics is all about this tug of war between the rural based, agricultural focused, conservative interests and the larger needs of the more urban centered, national and internationally focused economy that promises a future for all the new and diverse population. The Florida legislature is gerrymandered to keep political control in these rural focused “old south”interests. Florida has an extremely poor public education system and the legislature’s priority is to hold on to the low to no tax rural solutions to the needs of a rapidly growing population.

          • TS_1

            All Aboard
            Florida, if they become economically viable, can take care of the local communities transportation needs. High Speed rail is a boondoggle, and as I implied, a waste of taxpayers’ money. Rail is an obsolete, operationally,
            expensive, high maimtainenc costs, and a costly unsubsidized mode of transportation.
            Rail will not enhance tourism. However, it might help cab companies, bus lines, but no one will visit
            by rail if they cannot get from the train station to the beach or tourist attractions. All Aboard will add two
            trains every hour, in addition to the one per hour for freight It will cost local communities for track crossing constructio, safety, and where needed overhead over passes.
            The noise, inconvenience, cost for a train connection to nowhere is insane.

          • IndianCowboy

            Don’t forget the massive scale money-laundering and paybacks for GM and Solyndra!

          • IndianCowboy

            I recall being unable to retrieve Obama’s terrifying speech regarding the nationalization of GM on the WH website soon after it was given in which he warned there would be more factory closings, and more jobs lost… (due to its removal.)

        • IndianCowboy

          So the one who opposed the Keystone Pipeline wants a Mass Transit Railroad and you are ok with that. I am a merciful person and hope you never find yourself on it. All the Best, Raymond, and I mean it, Sincerely.

        • George MacMillan

          Motorcycle gangs? Have you checked recently to see who owns and rides Harley’s for recreation? Try doctors, lawyers and businessmen. Gun rights extremists? (more liberal speak – anyone that can’t be shut down with a normal debate is labeled an extremist or racist) How about 2nd amendment rights? Why wouldn’t he disagree with the left wing “mainstream media”, he’s a conservative and they are left wing progressives. Why might you not be a resident since 2012? All the liiberals got to be too much for you too? ,

    • IndianCowboy

      Actually, he was voted out because his ideas weren’t crazy enough and he swayed toward the liberals and made concessions. He was perceived as a traitor to those of us who contributed to his campaign.

    • George MacMillan

      Allen West will soon be back in Congress despite the left wing loonies in South Florida.

      • Raymond Moser

        Yeah, all those retirees and business folks in the non-union state of Florida are known for Marxism. Even the local Sons of the American Revolution would not invite him to any meetings. He just seemed “dirty” from association with guys like you.

    • Heartland Patriot

      I simply cannot fathom what makes you, and those like you, beholden to Karl Marx and his political progeny like the current POTUS. On the other hand, other than “knowing the enemy”, I really don’t care to know as your beliefs sicken me.

      • Raymond Moser

        Alan West was too whacko for the conservative voters in his district, except biker gangs and gun nuts.. What does that make Alan West and loudmouths extremists like you?

  • William 1

    Capt Miller will get more troops murdered and should be assinated!

    • MoonBeamWatcher

      FRAGGED is a better choice!

  • Justin Dean Cofer

    I also would like to say that it is not a Republican Versus Democrat issue it is We the People versus Washington issue and with all the Federal Judges that have been bought by your elitists and with all the corruption that exists in Washington and all the media outlets on broadcasting opinion and half truths we almost have only one course of action left and that is a full on Revolution. If you are in the military you are obligated not to obey a “UNLAWFUL” order and yes I know this is a gray area anymore but you know right and wrong. If you are a police officer you are a public servant first and your job is to “PROTECT AND SERVE” and at no point does that mean be a prick 24/7 and if you are given orders that violate the Constitution then you should use your resources to stand with us the people you swore an Oath to protect. I am so sorry for the long winded speeches but I see more and more people just accepting the status quo and that’s what has brought us to this horrible point in the downfall of the United States. We can still turn things around but we have to stand United.

  • alainsane

    This page is so lacking in context.

    • IndianCowboy

      OMG. The Above Article Is Unbelievable. Sad Ain’t The Word. There Are No Words For This Besides This Man Has To Be Rescued. Everyone, This Is A Reconnaissance Mission. Thank You For Bringing It To Light, Painful As I Is!

      • zombiekiller117

        In English we don’t capitalize the first letter of every word. We only capitalize the first letter of a new sentence and any proper nouns.
        Are you a foreigner perhaps ?

        • IndianCowboy

          Do we also put a comma between foreigner and perhaps?

        • MoonBeamWatcher

          EVERYone has one, it’s just that yours
          is so much bigger then average!
          The best you can come up with over this INSANE
          ROE is to harp on SPELLING!? Go back to you village!

          • zombiekiller117

            Anti-White much ?
            ‘Anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

          • MoonBeamWatcher

            Guess you’ve been inhaling way too long!

          • zombiekiller117

            Guess you are just a Hate filled Anti-White

          • Really Though

            Anti-White are code words for “I hate anything not white.”

          • zombiekiller117

            Anti-Whites advocate non-Whites pouring into EVERY White country to create a ‘blended humanity’ in ONLY White countries.

            The attempt to destroy EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and ‘assimilation’ is GENOCIDE

            ‘anti-racist’ is a codeword for Anti-White

      • MoonBeamWatcher

        Love your OMG intro OMG! = Obama Must Go!
        Got me thrown off Huffn’Puffn’ but I’ve also been
        asked to leave the Mark Hopkins back in late 50′s!

        • IndianCowboy

          I did not know OMG stood for that. Like you, I was banned from posting on Huff-Po a long time ago without explanation or notification until I went to post again. (Communism and censorship go hand in hand.) This is what liberals do, while freely trolling our waters and speaking their minds (and we are nice to and accommodate them.) What was Mark Hopkins, by the way?

          • MoonBeamWatcher

            Back in 1958-9 the Mark Hopkins was the “RITZ” Carlton of San Francisco . . . (a 5 STAR Hotel) in the day of the Pet Rock and Flower Children . . . jist before it was formally taken over by the gay and transgendered . . . ‘asked, I was assisted’ . . . no place for a drunken sailor.

          • IndianCowboy

            I got close to San Francisco during our Annual Training in 2010 at Fort Hunter Liggett. Could not believe how beautiful CA was. Like a giant pastel. Was not in the convoy that trip so did not get to go to any wineries. Got to ride over the area in a C-130.

  • David Ruff

    uttter bullshit and the US military is criminal

    • IndianCowboy

      David, my sentiments exactly. Did you see the link posted below? Let me warn you— it is a heartbreaker. As was every suicidal veteran inmate who entered the local jail where I worked as a nurse for 5 years. They reminded me of my own son, who served in Iraq. Thank you for your statement. Now, let’s get this guy out of prison, whatever it takes!

    • George MacMillan

      Obviously you weren’t in the military. Just a guess on my part. There are people that I would want in a foxhole with me and there are those that I would not. Guess which category you fit into?

      • IndianCowboy

        Likewise I’m sure!

  • Robert L. Rice

    that’s bs,IT WAS THE SAME IN Vietnam,except WE DIDNT HAVE THOSE lousy RULES OF ENGAGEMENT,too many NON COMBAT A$$ holes that think they know better than the person with boots on the ground..Obama is DESTROYING our military,obama could stop this BS by using one of his presidential notices,better still,bring ALL of our MILITARY home,and let the afghans kill themselves,we do not need to be the worlds saviors…

  • MoonBeamWatcher

    To have these ROE for a people who use woman and
    children for shields is shear insanity! Sure would like
    a comparison of US wounded and KIA now vs. before
    this ROE was expanded! (Also would like to know the
    ‘same sex’ attacks NOW vs before DADT was ended!)

    • jlbs

      I’d like to know those numbers, too, but it won’t happen with this government controlled media, unlike when Bush was in office and we heard the count on a daily basis.

  • http://theextremeattitude.com/ Mark Tipton

    REMFs! The most dangerous people in a combat scenario!

    • Jon Blackburn

      Sad but true. Little pogs thinking their fantasy of right and wrong is their mission from God.

  • tom s

    can’t imagine anyone volunteering to serve in obama’s military… appears that if you defend yourself & unit in obama’s war you may well be arrested for doing so…. perhaps if the country can rid itself of that “leader” and not vote in another like him, the USA might be able to reinstate itself in the world….

    • colsooonscoorner

      I think these rules are criminal I also think the prez & his administration are aiding and abbeting the enemy. We shouldn’t give aid & comfort to the enemy. Course the administration seem to come from a muslim faith perspective. Makes you wonder about the offices. Are they traitors too?

  • colsooonscoorner

    The rules of engagement as they stand are criminal on the part of the prez & the dept of defense. These rules are suicidal to our troops. Is the administration & the dod on crack, or some kind of muslim tea, with a kick to it?

  • colsooonscoorner

    I think the young man should get a medal for saving our troops!

  • joley643

    Obama is the one who should spend 20 years in prison – not this soldier. If we don’t clean out the Swamp soon, including the WH – we will have no military left, no national security.

  • wntsmallgov

    This LT should be on the fast list for a promotion

  • giant33

    CPT William Miller, the prosecutor should be sent to Afghanistan to see how it really is. If he was dealing crack over there his boss BO would pardon him. I am ashamed of these so called leaders we have. What a sad day for our military men.

  • lcuvillier

    We have not had a decisive victory in a war since WWII. When the administrations started these police actions instead of going through the proper ways of going to war, and getting proper funding and letting your generals run the war, that is when we started losing wars.

    What I am about to say will be offensive to some – I don’t care. When you go to war as a nation, you go with the full knowledge that innocent people will die. But when a nation decides that we must go to war, then our ONLY goal is to win. It is not nation building. It is not making friends. It is to decimate the enemy. It is to get an UNCONDITIONAL surrender. How do you do that? You kill the enemy in any way that you can. You do not shackle your troops. You unleash a fearsome force on your enemy and you make them come crawling to the table with nothing in their hands to negotiate with. You destroy them. That is what we did in WWII on two fronts and we got two unconditional surrenders. We did not get it in Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Iraq, and we have yet to achieve this in Afghanistan.

    Our politicians are running this through public opinion and through contracts in their states. It’s time to stop this nonsense, pull our troops out of this place – release our troops from prison for defending themselves and put the politicians in prison. This is absolutely nuts.

    • Bugg Monroe

      I agree a hundred percent…….there is a. Not just anyone is in the military….it takes a certain decisive type person to get that special work done…..just like nit anyone can be a nuvlear scientis…..or police officer….or nurse….or teacher… ..leave our troops alobe…..quite dipping your politically driven hands into this….and let rhem do what we have them for…..wehere is the petition??? I want to sign it…..this man should be concidered a hero…..not a criminal!!!reason

  • Balcheesius T. Ohuelns

    Better to let the enemy kill a few of us before considering any kind of response–and this is not to preclude commissioning a study by students at Berkeley on the environmental impact of any particular action. The resulting proposal should then be submitted to a committee of homosexuals and lesbians to ensure that none of the proposals present any type potential homophobic nuances.

  • Bill1966

    We can not win a war when we are not allowed to take out the threat. We have been losing every conflict since WW2 due to POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. They send us in to do a job but then tell us we can not fire unless fired upon. Troops are not allowed to take out that 14 year old with that cell phone who is about to use it to detonate a bomb as he does not meet the criteria as layed out in a document that was written over 100 years ago. The threat we face in the current war zones do not wear a military uniform, nor are they part of a governmental organized military. Until the rules change we will continue to see bull likes this. This young man was sentenced for a crime he did not commit, as this JAG was NOT in the war zone under fire himself. We have four dead Americans who were murdered by a sitting pos president, where is their justice?

  • http://defendersoffaithmilitia.weebly.com/#/ Buster Bunker

    These kinds of ROEs cause hesitation. Hesitation causes dead soldiers. Lt. Lorance is alive because he did not hesitate. This is unjust! The Military is meant to kill and destroy. Let them do their job or bring them home!

  • crafte1too

    Where’s the petition to get this guy out of prison??? I want to sign it.

  • Larry Foster

    He is in prison because he does not look like Obama’s son.

  • William Martin

    people like that who sentence him is sitting up there behind a plush desk with his finger up his butt and dont care what happens to the people on the ground trying to stay alive over there who and the hell is going to wait for some one to shoot first and
    then shoot last hell no not me

  • James Mosley

    I have gotten my self into a few fire fights..and i too have pondered weather or not to pull the trigger. When your life is flashing before your eyes, there is no time to call for a time out and ask if the person in front of you is the enemy. If they pose the slightest threat to me or the men that I am leading, you have best believe that I am got to turn that person into a pencil.

  • Matt Bryan

    Our new leadership are a bunch of pussies. Audie Murphy would have done the same thing. Ridiculous to convict a man on crimes such as this when the people of the country only want to kill us or take our money. Baffoonery, if you ask me!!

  • THEyardpilot

    Who were the REMF mofos that sat on this court? Political asshats, no doubt.

  • Nina Barber

    I will forever be an American but this is no longer America. The guy who defends our rights is given up for some big wigs political power. To appease a country and terrorists who would just soon wipe us from the face of the earth. We are no longer in charge of our government.

  • Will

    Clint Lowrance committed murder. As Soldiers, we volunteer to join and follow the orders given to us. The ROE said don’t shoot unless shot at. Clint Lowrance decided to shoot first, therefore committing murder according to the ROE that he was ordered to follow. Yes, I agree the ROE is screwed up, but he is still guilty.

    • Smart Lemon

      “The ROE said don’t shoot unless shot at”

      Those aren’t the ROEs and have never been the ROEs.

      • Heartland Patriot

        Please enlighten us as to what the ROEs are, then. Sources would be appreciated.

        • Smart Lemon

          https://natoschool.org/system/files/Use%20of%20Force%20%2526%20NATO%20ROE.pdf

          https://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment/8eb8bc3f-b182-40c2-9ee8-1d7df5fa54d8

          Consider yourself enlightened.

          Additionally, bear in mind that this is a Escalation of Force issue, as well as a Deadly Force issue.

          Escalation of force consists of those measures taken prior to employing deadly force against a potential threat. The steps are generally as follows:

          1: Verbal warning/Hand signals
          2: Raise weapon, repeat warning
          3: If potential threat is foot mobile, “shove”. This is up to interpretation and is situationally dependent. If the potential threat is a vehicle, pop pyro at it, or pop off an offset shot.
          4: Disabling shot (vehicle only)
          5: Shoot to kill.

          Keep in mind that the speed of the approaching threat and several other factors could be grounds to skip several steps, or move directly to lethal engagement.

          Additionally, I’ll tell you about DEADLY FORCE employment.

          Deadly force: That force which a person uses, causing, or that a reasonable person knows, or should know would cause death or serious bodily harm.

          Justifications for deadly force are as follows: Self defense and defense of others, Serious offenses against others (including Rape), Protecting assets vital to national security, Protecting assets not vital to national security but inherently dangerous to others, Public Health and Safety, and Escape.

          Current NATO-ISAF Rules of Engagement allow ANY personnel that believe their lives to be in danger to employ deadly force, so long as they are capable of defining the threat and explaining why lesser degrees of force would not have worked.

          (9 years 0311/USMC)

          • Smart Lemon

            One of the greatest guidelines, by the way, for the use of deadly force is “Hostile intent, Hostile act, Hostile capability”. This keeps that incredibly broad “my life is in danger” rule in check.

            Hostile intent: Some well know local guy is known for saying he’s going to kill you.
            Hostile act: He raises a weapon.
            Hostile capability: He has a weapon.

            Only two out of those three are necessary. If he says he’s going to kill you and he reaches for a weapon, smoke him. If he says he’s going to kill you but doesn’t have a weapon, maybe detain him and get him questioned.

          • Smart Lemon

            Forgot, you’re pretty keen on sources. That’s MC 362/1.

    • James Mccall

      i assume when they went to the bodies they found phones and other means to communicate with right. This country is getting more and more phucked up when they convict a man and give him twenty for insuring the safety of the men is his unit and if you think the LT Lowrance commited murder then you are just and dumb as the REMF’s who sat on that courts martial

  • http://vetsandvoices.com Vets And Voices

    What can we do?

    • Heartland Patriot

      Write your Senator. I wrote mine just a bit ago.

  • Heartland Patriot

    The airborne are fighters; it is what they are trained to do. If the Army wanted people to play cop and make nice, they need to send a bunch of MPs over there. If you want stuff torn up and bad guys put in bags, send in the airborne.

 
 
 
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