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Natalie GrantChristian Contemporary music star Natalie Grant was nominated for two Grammys.

Grant was up for Best Gospel/Contemporary Christian Music Performance for “Alive (Mary Magdelene),” a song she wrote with her husband Bernie Helms, and Best Christian Music Song for the chart-topping “Hurricane.”

The couple went to the Grammys proud to represent gospel music. Little did they know when they arrived at the Los Angeles Staples Center that they’d be going to church.

To warm up the congregation and open the service, Beyoncé twerked her ample bethonged derriere to the delight of millions. After that, Natalie and Bernie were subjected to Mrs. Carter sitting astride a chair in, shall we say, an extremely come-hither position.

Next the high-powered billionaire, Jay-Z ,and his bodacious bride left little to imagination about what goes on in their boudoir when nobody’s looking.

From there, Natalie got to see pop star Katy Perry, who used to sing about Jesus. However, since crossing over into showbiz stardom she’s been circling the vortex of hellish behavior for years. Katy, wearing an illuminated Knights Templar cross on her chest, pushed the envelope beyond ‘kissing a girl’ in what even the secular media described as a Satanic Ritual, or at best, witchcraft.

Right about that time Natalie and Bernie were probably starting to feel out of place among people winning awards for being “Up all night to ‘Get lucky.’”

It’s unclear which debauched performance prompted Natalie Grant and Bernie Helms to call it a night.

Hopefully, they were already gone and missed the church-like mockery that was overseen by Reverend Latifah. Wedding music was compliments of a menopausal Madonna on behalf of 34 same- and mixed-sex couples who tied the knot on what’s supposed to be a music awards show.

Refusing to pass judgment on the debacle, after she left Natalie had this to say on her Facebook page, which in a few words said so much:

We left the Grammy’s early. I’ve many thoughts about the show tonight, most of which are probably better left inside my head. But I’ll say this: I’ve never been more honored to sing about Jesus and for Jesus. And I’ve never been more sure of the path I’ve chosen.

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Jeannie hosts a blog at Jeannie-ology.com

Editors note to Natalie: Well done good and faithful servant.

 
 
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  • MoonBeamWatcher

    Wonderful to be able to count on your tallent and not have to
    have a wardrobe malfunction or otherwise be freak like!

  • Jimmy Z

    She backed right down.
    http://instinctmagazine.com/post/christian-singer-natalie-grant-left-grammys-early-guess-why

    Instinct Magazine, a pro gay publication, asked her why she left via Twitter:
    “Natalie Grant responded to us directly with the following. She tweets:

    @instinctmag I absolutely NEVER said that is why. In fact, I left before that ever happened and heard about it after the fact.

    — Natalie Grant (@NatalieGrant)”

    • Conservative NOT Racist

      Would love to know how you get “she backed right down” out of that. What gives you the right to make up crap to justify whatever it is you want it to be?
      Must be another try at re-writing history in order to make it fit a particular world view. Try being honest for a change. It would take a miracle, I know, but try it.

      • dhanna

        Amen!

        • Angela Castillo

          Sounds like she was just telling the truth. Unlike a lot of people. I’m so proud of you, Natalie.

      • Jimmy Z

        I can try and translate for you: She said that she didn’t leave because there were homosexuals being married, and that she left before that even happened. So if we take her at her word, she did not leave because of some morally repugnant act going on at the show. So that’s that. Either she’s being honest and this whole thing about her taking a moral stand is nonsense, or she left because it was disgusting to her as a Christian, and when challenged by a gay publication she didn’t have the stones to stand up for what she believes.

        • RealityCheck131

          Not the sharpest tool in the box, are you? Maybe she thought Beyonce or Katy Perry’s act was morally repugnant? Nope, guess that possibilty is just not allowed in your tiny world.

          • Jimmy Z

            Maybe, but you’re guessing. All she did here is deny why she left, and it seems a little weak kneed to me. And I would have to say that I am definitely the sharpest knife in the drawer.

          • Richard Young

            I don’t agree that it is weak kneed. Christians are taught not to judge those in the world. They should judge those in the church, who claim to be Christians but don’t live like Christians. Natalie avoided passing judgement on sinners for sinning. She kept her thoughts to herself and made a strong statement by leaving early that she is not part of this, and does not want to be part of this. For that, she has my respect.

          • martty

            i was in church yesterday and there were just as many sinners there as at any awards show. just sayin’ this cause it is true.

          • Richard Young

            Indeed martty, you will find many sinners in church buildings. It’s one thing to be in “church”. It’s another thing to be a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ. Sinners should always feel welcome to come to “church”. I put church in inverted commas because the church is not a building or house of worship. That’s the dictionary definition, yes, but not the Biblical definition. The Biblical meaning of the church is the worldwide body of believers who follow Jesus Christ – those who have chosen to turn their backs on sin.

          • VisitorOnly

            Right on Richard, Jesus himself stated that he did not come to save the righteous, but sinners. He also said there would be a mix of “wheat and tares” among those who say they follow him, that is true and false “followers”, but that HE was appointed sole judge of human motives and thoughts. Kudos to the Grants for simply following their own consciences. I’m sure that Jesus is the only one who knows what everyone at the Grammys’ morals truly are, as well as churchgoers!

          • olddawg1

            Yes, as the old saying goes, the church is a workshop for sinners, not a museum for saints. We don’t like the sin, but we don’t hate the sinner.

          • weezy

            “You cannot clean a fish before you catch him”….therefore God wants sinners in church, and his holy spirit will clean them up.

          • weezy

            Don’t judge, lest you be judged. Only God can judge, and only he knows what is in the deepest corners of any man’s heart. Church is for sinners….the holy spirit works in them as they listen to God’s word, for only God can change a man’s heart.

          • Jimmy Z

            As Christians we are not supposed to keep our mouths shut. We are called to judge right from wrong, good from evil. sin from unrighteousness. We are not supposed to CONDEMN someone, but absolutely to speak out against sin. When asked, she should have spoken out boldly. She’s trying to avoid being condemned by those who disagree with her. These are not the times to be pussy footing around. It’s time to stand up and be counted.

          • VisitorOnly

            Well said.

          • VisitorOnly

            And the most humble one, too? If he is guessing, surely you are as well. I don’t think you have an edge on the guessing!

          • Jimmy Z

            Not guessing. I can READ what she wrote.

          • RealityCheck131

            I didn’t guess at anything. I offered one possibility of many. You were the one claiming to know the truth when you were just guessing.

    • Garry Barrett

      sure sounds to me like she’d had a gut-full before that part, or does that not compute with your already made up tiny brain? and as far as same sex marriage you know what, I personally don’t give one teensy little fart about who marries who or what they do in their bedrooms, but I’m damn sure sick & tired of having it shoved in my face every time I turn around. People post about how our Christian beliefs are pushing people away from Christianity. Really? Maybe you’d be happy to persecute and kill Christians as Muslims are doing in many parts of the world. Would that make you happy?

      • Jimmy Z

        Whatever the reason, she doesn’t say.

        As to same sex marriage, this kind of “live and let live” philosophy is exactly why were are where we are at. Acceptance of the depravity of homosexuality has put us here, marrying homosexuals on national TV, normalizing homosexuality in public schools as early as KINDERGARTEN. And the militant homosexual activists will NEVER be satisfied. Next up will be forcing church pastors to marry them.
        I do not know why you are saying I would be happy with persecution.

        You apparently don’t understand my point. I want this Christian woman to stand up and say “yes, I left because it’s morally repugnant what they were doing.”

        • RealityCheck131

          Or she was already gone by then, and what you want is meaningless.

        • Richard Young

          Everything sinners do is morally repugnant. Homosexuality, fornication, adultery, theft, lying, cheating, stealing, greed, rebellion, drunkenness, you name it. Why should she judge those in the world? Jesus came to save sinners, he loves them and died for them. He forgave the woman who was caught in adultery. He ate with tax collectors and sinners. He welcomed the criminal that was crucified next to him, when he repented. The world thinks Christians are out to judge and condemn and point fingers and remind sinners how morally repugnant they are. Instead, Christians have found love and forgiveness and freedom and hope and salvation in Jesus Christ, and they want to share this amazing grace with others.

          • Jimmy Z

            Good point, she didn’t do that either.

          • VisitorOnly

            Yes, she did – she said “I’ve never been more honored to sing about Jesus and for Jesus. And I’ve never been more sure of the path I’ve chosen.” That is called a testimony. Not all testimonies have to be negative.

          • Jimmy Z

            Totally different issue. And what is negative about the truth? The truth is, the Grammys were celebrating sin, and she did NOT stand up to the homosexual militants who confronted her.

          • VisitorOnly

            Did they confront her or bait her? I think the latter, but I am not going to argue about it. In my opinion, she wisely avoided the manipulation. It is a waste of time to reply to mind-games. No need to reply, I am done with this discussion.

          • Jimmy Z

            if she’s standing up for what’s right, she can’t be baited. Just speak the truth. What she avoided was answering on point.

  • FireBlogger

    Best article I will read all week.

  • Paul

    good for her for standing up for faith… the grammys this year was not about music, movies it was about liberal agendas

    • Aaron

      This year seriously Paul they have not been about anything but Liberal agenda for the last decade, or 2 decades. I mean seriously they have been promoting nothing but sex, and violence, and lies for the last 20 years. when I was a kid in the 80s I remember Michael Jackson Chimo, and people like madona dancing around on stage singing like a virgin, they have been nothing but smut, and sin since the 80s at least, but i can only claim back to that point since that is as long as I have been alive, so in hind sight they have really been a hive of scum, and villainy for 30 years.

      • Oilersfan74

        Judge not lest ye be judged

        • Charie

          People who don’t know how to judge a situation many times get into trouble. You’re using that biblical phrase wrongly anyhow.

          • Oilersfan74

            You probably eat shellfish and wear clothes of mixed fibers, your arguments are invalid.

          • BRwoman

            And you obviously haven’t read the context of those scriptures or else you wouldn’t be saying that.

          • Connie

            In todays society where so many expect that anything goes, I see No Problem here. Let chaos reign.

        • Connie

          Since when does having an opinion count as judging? And saying nothing is always proper. Being grateful for what you do have is not a crime. Having feelings or thoughts, likes or dislikes, is natural for whatever reasons. If we cannot have our own of each what is the point?

        • Shofar threading

          Ah, not quite, Oilersfan……..

          “Some people DON’T HAVE the Holy Spirit. They don’t accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. Things like that are foolish to them. They CAN’T understand them. In fact, such things can’t be understood without the SPIRIT’S HELP. EVERYONE WHO HAS THE SPIRIT CAN JUDGE ALL THINGS. But no one can judge those who HAVE the Spirit.”

          “It is written, ‘Who can ever know what is in the Lord’s mind? Can anyone ever teach him?’ (Isaiah 40:13)”

          “But we have the mind of Christ.”
          (1 Corinthians 2:14-16 NIRV)

          • Oilersfan74

            What have you been smoking lady?

          • Shofar threading

            Obviously you’re too oiled up to know the Bible.

          • Oilersfan74

            You are imagining me oiled up? kinky! :)

          • Shofar threading

            NEVER from a Giants fan. Adios.

          • Oilersfan74

            Edmonton Oilers.

          • Shofar threading

            Ah, then you’re not all bad, just misguided. {:-o

    • Sunshine43

      As with everything that comes out of the Grammys, the Oscars, the Tonys….whatever! Don’t watch any! Can’t be bothered watching the trash!

  • Kristen Elizabeth Burks

    So blessed to count her as a Sister in Christ. Kudos to her for standing up for her faith and convictions!

  • Bob Baden

    buh bye.

  • sebastiandunbar

    Whine whine whine, it’s entertainment, it’s what $ells, it’s not about talent or art, it’s all about sales. Bottom line, sex sells, get used to it.

    • dhanna

      It’s sad what sells!! I’m not a prude but geeeeez this liberal agenda pushed in our face is getting really old.

      • topherreeves

        Agreed. Censor, remove and martyr christians and promote everything offensive to folks with moral standards.

    • James Riley

      No question that sex sells, Sebastian, but where would you draw the line? Should Beyonce and hubby have disrobed completely? Sex is one thing. Schlock is another.

      • Abe

        Have you ever read Songs of Solomon?

        • http://www.jeannie-ology.com Jeannie Deangelis

          As a matter of fact I’ve written an exegetical line by line study of the entire book.

    • kc54

      It only sells because idiots buy and listen to their music, see, and watch their filth! I, nor my husband, ever watch the Grammy’s because of their trash talk and ignorance. Sad that you, and others like you, keep these nasties going. You apparently do not know what a REAL performance is. I spend my money on the Natalie Grant’s of this world. Why should humanity “accept” because that is what they push? Really??? No…most of us who have the capacity to think, will not “get used to it!”

    • efmc

      I may be used to it but I still believe it is WRONG and nothing will change my mind on that. Not even a continual stream of it. Get back to its original purpose!

  • DannyE

    I will go out and buy some of her music…sick and tired of perverts in the entertainment business.

  • nicole mountz

    “well done good and faithful servant” but you call Madonna menopausal in your article. this is exactly what pushes people away from Christianity instead of towards it.

    • barbara

      calling Madonna menopausal has nothing to do with Christianity. God directly speaks against homosexuality. If that is pushing people against Christianity, then it is separating the sheep from the goats. doing what it was designed to do.

      • evy7

        “Separating the sheep from the goats?” – by using menopause as an invective? How is that bad? How old are you? Would it be ok for me to dismiss DeAngelis’s article because she is older and probably menopausal herself?

      • Micah Lewis Perry

        Insulting someone unnecessarily does have something to do with Christianity. Menopausal is a low blow even among other insults. That’s unloving, and that’s what Nicole is saying smh. Sheesh.

        • Kara

          I really don’t understand how “menopausal” is insulting. That’s kind of like saying “pregnant” is insulting. She’s not calling her fat, she’s calling her “menopausal” Is the woman not over 50? Yeah. Either she is menopausal, or she’s completely done with the whole process! It’s a stage of life. Every woman goes through it. It’s even a medical term. It’s NOT an insult. I think it’s more insulting to insinuate that recognizing the stages of a woman’s life is insulting. We’re not all 20. We weren’t meant to be. That’s actually recognizing God’s plan, not destroying it.

          • SturJen

            ^this x1000. What is so bad about calling a woman ‘menopausal’? Women ALL go through it if they reach that age.

          • Micah Lewis Perry

            It’s a matter of the way people use it. Yes, it’s a medical term, and SHOULD NOT be used offensively. Nevertheless, it is. Maybe I took things the wrong way, and the author didn’t intend to use the word derogatively, but amidst the sarcastic and spiteful tone of pretty much the whole article, I figured that was yet another insult.

          • SturJen

            I have lived my life in the company of women. All ages of women and have NEVER heard someone be offended by being called menopausal. Is there some sort of part of society where it IS considered an offense?

            As I reach that age, I consider menopausal as a non-issue. My life has been good, I’ve been blessed with kids and now it is time to relax and enjoy what I have been given. My body is designed to have an age where I am fertile, and an age where I am not fertile. Why freak out about it?

            Honestly? I’d welcome a few hot-flashes right about now. Today’s high is supposed to be -4°F. I’d love to be able to feel a bit of warmth right now.

          • Micah Lewis Perry

            The word itself shouldn’t be offensive, but it can be used offensively, just like “PMSing” some people associate it with the hormonal aspect, and use it in that regard.

            Nobody’s freaking out about the natural way things work, but rather at using that word insultingly. As I said before, it’s a possibility I just took the author’s intentions incorrectly.

            Lastly, that last paragraph made me laugh for a couple of minutes lol. Thanks for lightening the mood.

          • olddawg1

            Yep, I told my menopausal wife (who is not the least bit offended by that description) last night that I wish I could take some of those hot flashes away from her!

          • Charie

            You’re looking to be offended. Period. Or should I say “lack of period”?

          • Micheleh

            LOLOL, women get periods. LOL, that’s hilarious. *eyeroll*

          • Micah Lewis Perry

            Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn’t certain whether I’d intentionally been offended or not. Now that I think about it, I most certainly read this article for the express purpose of being offended. No, wait, that actually doesn’t make a lick of sense. Disregard that moronic notion and carry on. -_-

          • barbara

            I agree with you kara. for me, what I see when someone is labeling someone as menopausal is not degrading them. it does represent a certain age and time in life. what comes with that age and time? wisdom. lessons learned. maturity. I am post menopausal. I don’t take offense at that. with that comes an understanding of things I didn’t have at an age where a lot of the people are at now at the grammy’s. self expression takes a different form. for people in the format of entertainment, there seems to be a peter pan effect. they live and perform as if they never age or grow up. and for someone we know is older trying to still live as though they are in their teens, 20′s and 30′s is repulsive and nauseating.

    • Sheri

      Uh.. speaking as a menopausal woman myself, the fact is that Madonna IS menopausal- a simple statement of fact- not sure how that would push anyone away from Christianity.

    • Charie

      Has it never occurred to you that she is menopausal? That’s like getting offended because someone says, “The sky is blue”. Duh. If that’s what pushes people away from Christianity they sure didn’t want to be a Christian very much.

  • klaus

    Why don’t they just make every one of these secular music, tv and movie award shows totally in the nude and let them have sex right on stage. That way they can all get it out of their system at once and be done with it. It’s all about sex and showing as much skin as possible and no longer about talent.

  • susisee11 .

    Seems to me the more perverted you are in show business,the more famous you are.The liberal media pushes filth among our youth and convinces our youth that’s the way everyone feels and that’s how you should feel.God is not please with America that he gave so much to.I expect more and more natural disasters.

  • cowgirlbellydancer

    As a pagan, I completely respect this woman and her husband for standing up for their beliefs and not bending. However, I do take offense to the witchcraft reference. Comparing wicca and Satan worship is just wrong. It shows the ignorance that people still harbor for different faiths. Comparing those is like comparing Buddhism to radical Islam. You are comparing a peaceful faith to something evil.

  • Paul Eno

    good :) may they live they way god want us to live without seeing the devils ways

  • john cummins

    same old same old what can we expect from the dinosaur Lamestream Media?

  • Leo Lounsbury

    I thank God that we have Christians willing to stand up for Jesus. Thank you Natalie for standing strong and not being ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
    May our Lord bless you as you serve Him!

    Leo Lounsbury

  • Ruth

    I was stunned to see the author of this article is a female. Calling Madonna “menopausal” is sexist, vicious, and incredibly offensive. Miss Deangelis, you complain about the artists as if they are personally out to offend and attack your way of life, yet you feel no qualms about summing up Beyonce’s talent in the word “bodacious.” You applaud Miss Grant for “not passing judgment”, yet you seemingly feel free to do as much as God Himself. Your article is blatantly disrespectful. If your wish is to offend, you have succeeded. I read a response Miss Grant wrote and I will tell you- it did much more in helping me sympathize with her view than your bitter and sarcastic words will ever do. If your aim is to be a spokeswoman for Christ, you might want to send up a little prayer asking how you’re doing, because right now I wouldn’t step foot in a church if you paid me. Unless that church is the Grammy’s, and the Reverend is Queen Latifah. Cuz that’d be awesome.

    “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” -Mahatma Gandhi

    • SturJen

      Wow, I can’t believe I even tried to read a few lines of your judgmental judging of someone else’s perceived judging…

      Pot……….meet Kettle.

      • Micah Lewis Perry

        That wasn’t even judgmental. It was just really truthful. The author could’ve done a lot more to just be less insulting.

        • SturJen

          And the OP – Ruth, could’ve been a lot less insulting.

          And as a person who is almost at menopausal…it’s not insulting, sexist or incredibly offensive. A person who ascribes that much power to *one* word should reflect upon the question,. WHY?

    • Susan. Just Susan.

      I agree Ruth. Madonna has passed menopause and is in full-on decrepitude, by now.

      • Micheleh

        How do you know that? Are you her gynecologist?

    • Garry Barrett

      calling Madonna, or any woman menopausal is sexist? isn’t menopause pretty much a woman “thing”?

    • Lorraine Wrede

      Madonna opened the door to being called menopausal when she started dating men more than half her age.

    • evy7

      Thank you, Ruth. How a woman can call another woman menopausal and use it as an insult is beyond me. It’s like guys calling each other impotent and priding themselves in their intellect. Ha ha.

      • DD

        Menopausal is a “stage” of life that every woman goes through when they hit a certain age. Impotence is a disorder that occurs in *some* men. Big difference. Someone could call me menopausal and I don’t see it as an insult. It’s just a fact. I’m at the stage of my life. The author was simply trying to point out how far Madonna has taken her “sex sells” act, over the years. And yet it is perfectly okay to put on stage shows that clearly have “church” overtones but Christians need to lighten up? The hypocrisy is too much.

        • http://www.jeannie-ology.com Jeannie Deangelis

          The author is well past menopause.

    • Theresa Easley

      You liberal types get offended by the most insignificant things. Are you all going to get together now and try to ban the word menopausal?

      • Lodihoseman

        Their “offense” is only a means to silence their foe. This war on words, and making offensive speech a crime is simply another way to gain control over us.

    • Charie

      ***I was stunned to see the author of this article is a female. Calling Madonna “menopausal” is sexist, vicious, and incredibly offensive ***
      I find your attitude to be incredibly silly. If you’re not menopausal or post menopausal, you may be rather forgiven, but if you’re any of those which I mentioned, you simply enjoy being angry with Christians and want to take your spite out on them. Good grief!
      I hope you’re thoughtful enough to realize that the attacks on Christians that started a few years ago are very much like the attacks on the Jews that began the Holocaust.

  • Softlinelady51

    What we can do is not watch any awards show, I think we have a good idea of what it’s going to be about, if they start losing viewers that will cut into their bottomline, and moreso if we refuse to buy anything that is advertised, that will most certainly get their attention, we can’t just talk about how this country is being run into the gutter, we have to make a decision if we are going to allow it to continue or take it back from those who in their minds believe this kind of filth is ok

  • Heather

    Awww, poor “Christians” all upset and whining because the gays showed up. Get used to it because we’re everywhere and no matter how hard you fight your ludicrous fights (because it’s so much more important to be fighting LOVE than fighting, oh idk, hunger? Cancer? Child abuse? Bigotry? Hatred? Animal kill shelters? Take your pick you self-righteous, holier-than-thou hate-filled backwards morons) marriage equality is spreading and before you know what hit you, we’ll have equal rights everywhere in the US.

    • Sambo Caesar

      I don’t care about either. I’m especially weary of the gay’s whining though. The poor gay’s aren’t happy unless they’re a spectacle. Get married, who gives a crap. Get over yourselves already. All I see in your comment is stupidity, and hypocracy. What a hate filled little whelp you are. Yawn everyone is tired of this old yarn. Have a nice day your pompousness.

      • IcySammy

        @SC- Your lack of self reflection is astounding. Telling a group to “get over” themselves, is easy if you’re part of the group that has controlled the dialogue and still hasn’t gotten over themselves. The majority created this. Pretending like it doesn’t matter so you can spout your diminishing remarks hardly will make the issue go away. Why are you so threatened? I’m of the majority, it affects me nada… To back up for a moment to your stupidity and hypocrisy comment –allowing you to reflect on your own actions would be lost on you wouldn’t it?

        • Sambo Caesar

          Yawn. Same old story. Woe is me. Poor little ole me. Well moron read Heather’s post. Who is the hate monger? Me threatened? Did you even read what I said? I don’t care what gay’s do? Just leave everyone else the hell alone.Self reflection? What a joke. Been hearing this poor me crap for years now. Hell if the gays didn’t have christians to to make themselves a spectacle, why they’d just be regular humdrum people. That;ll never wash.

          • IcySammy

            First … You seem nice, and yes I did read your post. Did you? It’s fascinating. Are you certain how to process at all? Do you know how to NOT be offensive? Do you understand that prefacing your statements with how much you don’t care doesn’t fool people who can see that the rest of your statement shows your incredible fear of anything you don’t understand. You’re not big on thinking are you?

          • Sambo Caesar

            See, now I’m afraid. I’m fearful of gay people. I’ve people in my family that are gay, and I look at them as I would anyone else. They go to work, pay their bills, go to movies, have family get togethers like everyone else. What they don’t do is whine. Gay people have been around since the beginning of people. I highly recommend gays stop hanging out with people that aren’t open minded. I myself detest whiners in all people. I’m not afraid of anyone though.

          • IcySammy

            Fair enough. You have an obligation to people in your family to make sure that they are not oppressed then. Generally, they are at this stage in history … and have been terribly so in very recent history. Telling them to shut up based on your personal Zero Tolerance whining rule isn’t helping. I’d suggest your family doesn’t whine around you because they love you and don’t want to upset you. They’re being perhaps overly considerate.

    • Natalie

      If God wanted the same sex to marry each other he would have given them the right parts to do so. It is not natural for men and women to marry their same gender.

    • Robert Mission

      Heather your life style is not everywhere! The Williams Institute
      at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy
      think tank, estimates that 9 million (about 3.8%) of Americans identify
      as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender (2011). The institute found that bisexuals make up 1.8% of the population, while 1.7% are gay or
      lesbian. Transgender adults make up 0.3% of the population. And with all these lifestyles listed none have the God given natural ability to reproduce! Unless you adopt, inseminate from a donor or have an surrogate parent all of which requires a Male/Female sexual action that natural God given life you so mock!

      • IcySammy

        Robert, you’re a real peach. It’s clear you feel hate should be democratic. Unfortunately it is. Spout some numbers to justify your hate. You’ve endorsed tyranny of the majority. Good work Christian.

        • Theresa Easley

          How did you get that he feels hate should be democratic and that he’s endorsing tyranny? I think you are just seeing what you want to see. All he did was post facts. Sorry you can’t accept that homosexuals are still the minority.

          • IcySammy

            ****Sorry you can’t accept that homosexuals are still the minority*** What?!?! I’m saying the fact that they’re a minority ISN’T important. He made the point … and I think you’re making the same … that the fact that there are fewer means something significant for the majority. Frankly, .00001% of the population wouldn’t excuse the disdain of the majority. Unfortunately the majority treats their strength in numbers as entitlement to look down on others. It almost seems as thought hey’d like to put it to a vote. Ergo…. tyranny of the majority. It’s undeniable. Hope that cleared it up for you.

    • yankeebornsoutherner

      We receive our instructions from the Bible and God says homosexuality is wrong. One day, you will understand.

      • IcySammy

        Yes! Tell them how they’re going to hell and you’re not! Feels good when God tells you you’re better than them huh? We can all create a God to make us feel important. Christians don’t make the connection that God has never made particularly good use of a pen and paper … we filled in the blanks with out own prejudice. How about a God that isn’t so tiny he allows you to play God in your spare time?

    • Alana C

      Do you want to see “hate”? Go to Iran. Both Christians and gays alike are killed for their morals and beliefs. There is nothing “hateful” about American Christians believing our Bible about what God calls sin. That is our religious freedom. We also believe heterosexual couples shacking up is sin, but you don’t hear those people calling us “hateful” for having our convictions. The reason we continue to call homosexuality sin is because, according to our Bible, God will judge our nation for embracing sin (not just homosexuality, but ALL sexual sins, and addictions, abuse, pride, wrath, etc)…. and God has commanded us to speak the truth BECAUSE we care for our fellow human, and BECAUSE we believe that sin pulls people away from the God who loves them. So we will continue to warn our fellow Americans about the dangers of sin, in hopes that they will turn FROM their sin to a loving God. I know I never found happiness in sexual sin… only in the power of a God who loves me. So why wouldn’t I want to share this powerful truth with others? How is it “hate” to share the truth of a loving God who can free us from sin??

      • IcySammy

        Way to pull the “they’re worse in the Middle East” card. Not compelling … just hate in different stages of the continuum. You know why the shacking up issue isn’t such a big deal? Because by the time couples are old enough to do it they’re not affected by the ridiculous self loathing Christianity seems to have no problem foisting on others as a way to keep them in line. On the other hand, poor kids who are certain they’re gay get a lifetime of the horrible hateful speech Christians adore (in the name of a loving God). Some of theses kids kill themselves because they have no way to battle the indoctrination of hate. They’re broken, they’re an abomination, they’re going to burn in hell. If you don’t understand that you have a hand in the death of children who take their own lives with your need to judge, you’re blind.

    • athynz1

      Sigh. First of all she did not whine about gays – she left because she did not support what was going on at the Grammys. It wasn’t just the gay weeding but the Jay-Z/Beyonce performance as well (which BTW was a heterosexual act just in case you missed it). Yes there ARE judgmental people here but you are also doing your fair share of judging.

      Personally it’s none of my business who you take to bed – as long as it is not my spouse then it would be my business due to infidelity – and I’d love to see marriage equality. However your rant is part of the problem. The name calling for example leaves much to be desired.

    • Theresa Easley

      You know, it’s the ones like you that make people who used to be supportive, like me, not so much anymore when I see the attacks on Christians. You are hurting your own cause by saying such hateful things. Maybe you might get equal rights everywhere, but it can also eventually be taken away. It depends on who ends up in power so if I were you I wouldn’t be crowing about it yet.

    • Anonymous

      How can you say that about Christians when you are full of hate yourself? Christians are called to love people, but hate their sin. Homosexuality IS a sin and an open rebellion towards God. (Romans 1:25-28) A Christian who tolerates homosexuality is openly rebelling against God and his commandments. Yet, gay or not, God’s grace is still open for everyone to repent of their sins. Romans 10:9, “if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” 1 John 1:9, “if we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness”

    • Charie

      OK, Heather, I’m going to ask you a couple of questions? Who takes care of most of the down and out in this country or is on the spot to feed, clothe and house people after disasters. It is mainly Christian organizations. What do you think the Salvation Army is, or Catholic Charities or UMCOR (Methodists) are? And those are only a few. Who runs most of the hospitals and about a quarter of the schools in this country? Who operates food pantries and used item stores at which poor people can get vouchers so they don’t even have to pay?
      You wanted to unload on Christians but I’m not going to let you get away with it. You come in here with your big mouth flapping, yelling about what you know nothing. I’d call you a moron right back, but I don’t think you even reach that status. You’re empty headed and have a hate on for Christians. I suggest you educate yourself before landing on websites and making a fool of yourself!!

    • Jerri

      “Holier-than-thou?” Get thyself a mirror.

  • IcySammy

    I understand that it was of debatable entertainment value to have a gay wedding at the Grammys. I also applaud the artist for the “relative” class she handled her convictions with. However, for those who see it as a political agenda … it wouldn’t be if more people understood that it’s a human agenda. Years of oppression and marginalizing (dare I say hate?)in the name of some sort of conservative Christian mandate will occasionally lead to a balancing of the scales… an over reaction. It’s human nature … Driven by human need. Just like more Christian dogma than people allow themselves to consider.

  • HoboCL

    Praise GOD for people like Natalie and Bernie for there faith in GOD..It seem the stars have forgotten who has blessed them with there talents and show there ignorance worldwide

    • disqus_CbgFzirgBw

      “their” ignorance.

  • SturJen

    I must confess a curiosity on WHY this one word – Menopausal -causes such a stir within some persons such as you. What is it about ascribing that word to a woman that makes you react so? It’s just a word.,,,,

    I’m about at menopausal. I don’t see this as some sort of huge thing. Is there a group of women who feel this *is* such a huge thing? To me, it’s another phase of life.

  • chrismartwrites

    It saddens me to see people reading this article and, very rightly so, having a terrible view of Christians because of the author’s opinion of the Grammy’s. Just wanted to state that not all Christians are judgmental. I actually wrote an article on the issue which you can read if you’d like. http://chrismartinwrites.com/2014/01/07/the-but-stops-here/ We need to love people without any conditions, no requirements, and certainly no repayment plan. Please don’t group all Christians together with the author of this article. God bless.

    • Kiwidfruit

      Personally, I wouldn’t call this article ‘judgmental.’
      We as Christians do need to show love for other sinners, while at the same time not condoning the sin. I read your article and while I agree that the “hate the sin” needn’t be tacked on every time, we also can’t appear to approve of this. There’s a difference between your “girl who had an abortion” and this instance of “people on stage celebrating sin.” We can still love the girl and be sad for what she did without bringing it up every time we see her. These people, however are being paid to glorify sin. That’s a different matter, and while I wouldn’t suggest writing “you’re going to hell”-mail to them, we also cannot just smile and nod and say ‘good performance, honey.’
      Natalie’s comment on leaving the Grammy’s early was graciously written, and I admire her for it.

      • chrismartwrites

        Whether the article is judgmental or not, have you read some of the comments? After reading this article, many are now viewing all Christians as being judgmental. I just want them to know we aren’t all like that. Thanks

        • Kiwidfruit

          Okay, I’m sorry, I misread your original comment and interpreted it as this article being judgmental. I apologize for that. :)
          Maybe everyone here should reread Natalie’s response to the awards and take note!

          • chrismartwrites

            No, you’re good. I went back and edited my comment a little. I can see how it looked as if I was saying Natalie was being judgmental. Thanks!

    • Jeremy Randolph

      That was the most incoherent (self serving) babble I’ve read in awhile. How is what Natalie did in any way liable for anyone’s “view” of christians? How do you get that she doesn’t “love people without condition” from her simply leaving the show.The article simply re-tells the events. Please expound.

      • chrismartwrites

        I’m referring to the comments from some about the author of this article and now they are saying Christians are all judgmental. I’m not saying anything about what Natalie did or did not do. I just want people to know that not all Christians are judgmental. That’s all.

    • Bob Simes

      In other words, if I see someone acting in an inappropriate manner I should just sit there and smile? We ALL judge others every day. “That guy is going too fast.” “I don’t want my children to see that.” “I didn’t like that movie because of . . . ” I’m surprised she stayed as long as she did. Leaving shows good judgement.

      • chrismartwrites

        Did I say when you see others doing wrong to just sit there and smile? My comment was a reply to all the people on here saying Christians are judgmental because of this author’s article. Nothing at all to do with Natalie.

        • Bob Simes

          Sorry. I apparently didn’t understand what you were saying. I’ve been known to do that on occasion.

    • Ardg65

      Matthew 7:16-20,

      “16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
      17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
      18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
      19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
      20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

      Does this statement by CHRIST himself not give us the right to judge people by their fruits, or in other words, their actions, their character? Are we supposed to participate with them in everything because we love them? We love them but we must cry repentance to them and that, in and of itself means that we have judged them in need of repentance or in other words, sinners. He also said in John 15:19,

      “19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.”

      We are of this world because we live in it, but we are not supposed to be of this world because we behave differently, we are supposed to -contrary to them in their sin- be an example and call others to repentance.

      I guess your bland brand of christianity would edit out when Christ himself called the ruling religious leaders of his day hypocrites and accused them of all kinds of evil VERY publicly. I’ve had it with the attitude of letting everything and anything go because we are ‘supposed to love’ everyone! Why YES! WE LOVE EVERYONE BUT WE MUST RECOGNIZE THE TREE FROM ITS FRUITS AND, IF NECESSARY CALL THEM TO REPENTANCE, IT’S OUR DUTY! This is supposed to be done with love and understanding because we are not perfect either and we sin, therefore we leave the FINAL judgement to him that has the right to do it because he is perfect, our Father and God, but in the meantime, we need to judge ourselves and others to try to understand that this life is a time to prepare to face our final judgement and if we don’t take advantage of our time here, we will be found wanting (Of course, without the redeeming grace of Christ, nothing we can possibly do could bring us back to the presence of God, for no matter how hard we try, we would always fall short, so in the end it’s only through him that we are redeemed). If you could have helped me understand this in this life and you did not because you ‘loved me unconditionally’ and did not want to ‘judge’ me, don’t you think you’d be held responsible for your sin of omission of not calling me to repentance? Please don’t confuse the final judgement, the one that we are not supposed to make, the one that only God can make, with the every day option of understanding who’s evil and who’s not. God bless.

      • chrismartwrites

        I never said join in and participate in sin.

        “I guess your bland brand of Christianity would edit out when Christ himself called the ruling religious leaders of his day hypocrites and accused them of all kinds of evil VERY publicly.”

        You’re judging me right here and don’t even have a clue who I am or what I do. But, it’s cool. If you want to go around and call out everyone on their sin, then by all means, go for it. Good thing Jesus was there with the woman caught in adultery. Jesus was the only perfect human who walked the earth. He had the right to judge the religious leaders of the era. There is a HUGE difference between coming down on someone about their sin, and showing them the love of Jesus, which will in turn bring them to the cross.

        God bless

        • Ardg65

          Yes, they brought the woman caught in the act of adultery to him and he said to the people that brought her to him, and I paraphrase, if you are without sin, throw the first stone. They did not because LIKE I SAID, WE ARE ALL SINNERS. Very convenient for you to leave that out of your reply and also to leave out what Jesus told the woman, “Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” See, he knew she was guilty, he did not say, “Neither do I JUDGE thee…” but rather condemn and in recognition of her sin, he said ‘GO AND SIN NO MORE’.

          I responded to your comment because you JUDGED the author of this article as -at the very least- a different kind of Christian or -at worst- not a true Christian, with these words, and I quote, “Please don’t group all Christians together with the author of this article.” When you say to me “You’re judging me right here and don’t even have a clue who I am or what I do”, aren’t you arguing against yourself here? Unless, of course, you have a clue of who the author is and what he/she does, right? Yes, I judged your words to be a less than desirable fruit for MY STANDARDS, just like you judged the author’s words and asked people to not think of all Christians as they would think of the author because you thought that everyone must feel the same you feel about it, so now we are going in circles.

          Again, the reality is we MUST make judgement calls about EVERYONE we meet everyday and situations that we find ourselves in and the fact that I am not perfect, does not preclude me from preaching his gospel and calling people to repentance, if it were so, then he would not have given us that commandment, as a matter of fact, and in closing, we must be kind regarding human frailty for except in the case of His only perfect Begotten Son, imperfect people are all God has ever had to work with. That must be terribly frustrating to Him, but He deals with it. So should we. And when you see imperfection, remember that the limitation is not in the divinity of the work. We must be patient and kind and forgiving, but we must also stand for our principles, if not, then Satan wins because we wanted to fit in and not ruffle any feathers.
          We agree on many things, I am sure, but on this, I believe that you must be more valiant and reprimand at times when the spirit compels you but then showing more love so that people don’t think you are their enemy. God bless.

          • chrismartwrites

            The “Please don’t group all Christians together with the author of this article.” wasn’t meant as my opinion of the author, but I can clearly see how it could be read that way. That’s my bad. Thanks.

      • Kelly Kirsch

        I understand what you are saying but you could not have done a worse job of using the bible as a reference to state your point. If you are going to quote the bible you need to use the entire passage not just the bits that satisfy what you want it to mean. for example….you talked about Jesus judging the RELIGIOUS LEADERS. this passage is about holding our religious leaders accountable( which is what he was doing at that time) this discussion is about judging other according to what you think is right or wrong

        Next…….Mathew 7: 16-20…….do you really think that passage is about judging people? lets look at Mathew 7: 15……..”Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves…..this tells me to be on the look out for religious leaders that would lead you astray from the true meaning of god. it does not say to find them and judge them.

        and finally….John 15:19………once again lets look at John 15:18 ”
        “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.” when you put the rest of the passage with this it is saying if some one judges and hates you then they are hating god first.

        you state that “your bland brand of Christianity would edit out when Christ…….” It looks to me by what you wrote that your brand of Christianity is editing out everything else.

        • Ardg65

          So what you are saying is that the phrase, by their fruits ye shall know them is exclusive and only to be used and applied to our religious leaders? Everyone else is to be exempted from it? Well, I’ll be, from now on I will only judge my religious leaders by their actions and everyone else, gets a free pass. Got it, that makes total sense.

          • Kelly Kirsch

            that is not what I said at all….

            All I said was that if you are going to quote scripture, use the whole passage not just what sections prove your point.

            also. as I said above “this tells me to be on the look out for religious leaders that would lead you astray from the true meaning of god. it does not say to find them and judge them.” …….by their fruits you shall know them (false prophets)…..ok you can recognize them…..stay away from them…not judge them. And from what I read Mrs. Grant did just that. recognized it…. stayed away from it….and later did not judge when asked…..

            I never once said in my post who could be judged and who should be given a free pass. Although I must apologize. After reading my last post I realized that the last paragraph was a judgment against you…..exactly what I was writing against. So for that…….

            I am sorry.

          • Ardg65

            Apology accepted. That said, i quote you “by their fruits you shall know them (false prophets)…..ok you can recognize them…..stay away from them… The only way to RECOGNIZE them is to make a judgement call, or judge them. Yes, you are supposed to judge and God has given you that capacity so you can DISCERN or JUDGE good from evil. The final eternal judgement is only for God to make, which is why you will never hear me say to anyone, ‘you are going to hell’, for example. I can tell someone, it is my belief that _________ (fill in the blank) is wrong and God is against that and you should change your ways. Do you see the difference between the two? Call it what you want, Judge, discern, recognize, (here is a link to Merriam-Webster’s dictionary for synonyms of the verb judge: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/judgeverb) but we are supposed to judge.

            I leave you with this scripture, and yes I have read the entire chapter. What is going on here is that Jesus is speaking to the people of Galilee and they asked him to leave, he then tells them that

            16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

            17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

            18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

            19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

            They then say to him, you must be possessed by an evil spirit, no one is trying to kill you.

            He says to them,

            21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.

            22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

            23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

            24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

            In this passage, TWICE he tells us to judge. First when he says, do God’s will and FIND OUT, discern, judge for yourself if I am lying or if my teachings are the Doctrine of the Father. Second, when he says, JUDEG RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT, in other words, do not be deceived by the cover of the book but by its contents.

            Anyway my brother, my point is, we can, indeed, we MUST judge to be able to tell between two opposing points of view, two opposing parties, etc. and Christ has given us his light and guidelines to enable us to make RIGHTEOUS judgements. God Bless.

      • ladyruth54

        I love your comment.

  • Ebony Arnold

    I understand her concerns about the show. I didn’t watch it, but why even go? I know that everyone know’s about these artists and how they perform. She obviously knew because she mentioned about Katy Perry crossing over. I know she was nominated for an award but if something represents anything I don’t believe in I don’t associate myself with it……in any way. Plenty of folks don’t go to awards shows and they’re nominated and possibly win.

    • Brian Webb

      “If something represents anything I don’t believe in, I don’t associate myself with it……in any way.” I sure hope you don’t put up a Christmas tree or wreaths, decorate with lights or see a yule log. And I hope for sure you don’t hide eggs on easter. I hope you don’t own a PC (or even a Mac, actually) if you don’t support homosexuality, bisexuality, or transgenders.

      Just saying – she’s called to be in the world, not of it. I don’t blame her for going, and I don’t blame her for leaving. Both are within her rights, and both are perfectly reasonable things for a Christian to do.

      • Ebony Arnold

        All I’m saying is she wasted her time going, she knew what it was about. What I do in my own is my own decision and yes she had her right to leave but I just don’t understand going knowing what it was going to be about and leaving. If you say she’s called to be in this world and not of it then she should of stayed to accept her award.

        • Brian Webb

          I don’t think she wasted her time at all. She made a statement – one that, clearly, the world took note of. At least part of it.

    • Alana C

      Why go to unbelievers who hate Christ? Why try to represent the Lord in a place of sin? I just taught my sunday school class about an awesome knight during the time of the crusades, who chose, instead of going to war, he went to Muslim cities in Africa to share Christ. Raymond Lull was stoned to death in 1314, but he wasn’t afraid to go to people who mocked Christ and hated Christians. Some people are actually brave enough to share their faith.

      • Ebony Arnold

        So why didn’t she stay?

        • BrendaS

          Maybe she just had enough.

  • Henry

    Remember,
    her art/talent is also her income. An intrinsic part of that is her
    audience–her income stream is protected by “playing to her base,” and
    living (what she feels) is a life complimenting, not compromising, her
    particular religious views. Not too different from T.V. preachers or
    politicians–authenticity is in the eye of the beholder(s).

    • Ardg65

      So you think she did this as a publicity stunt? Riiiiiiiiight,,, In spanish we have a saying that goes ‘a thief judges by his own condition’, meaning that when you are a thief, you believe everyone else to be a thief. Just because you would not act out of principle, does not mean that no one else would do it either, capisci?

  • Garry Barrett

    yes, what is it about that word that so offends you? Is Madonna not allowed to become menopausal? did your life revolve around the Material Girl? I had prostate cancer and can no longer inseminate a woman. Should I be offended when people say I’m shooting blanks? because it doesn’t. I’m perfectly happy to be blessed by God to have 2 beautiful sons, a beautiful wife, and a beautiful life. why so bitter?

  • Guest

    It is awesome to know that God’s design does not allow gay’s to breed. Their DNA ends eternally when they do.

    • athynz1

      You do know that posting this twice under 2 different screen names does not make this any more true or any less offensive right?

  • silkay

    It is awesome that God’s design did not allow gay’s to breed. Their DNA ends eternally when they die. :)

    • Brian Webb

      Seriously? “Their DNA ends eternally when they die” – and that’s something you’re… awestruck about? Where is the grace in that statement? Where is the Love that God has for those people, lost as they may be? This comment is heartbreakingly and deliberately offensive.

    • chrismartwrites

      Wow. Please tell me you aren’t a Christian. If you say you are, then it’s no wonder society thinks we’re all a bunch of judgmental jerks. Love people like Jesus.

    • http://twitter.com/kdrwnj knuckledragginrightwingnutjob

      As a Christian, I dare say my DNA ends when I die as well…

    • Sarah

      Just an FYI: Gay people are conceived and born to STRAIGHT people. (excepting for in-vitro situations). Straight does not beget straight, nor does gay beget gay. God creates both straight and gay people from the reproductive organs of straight people, and has done so for millenia. God’s love for us and purpose for our lives is not lessened in any way because of the diversity of our sexual desires.

      • Tessa Lauren

        God did not create rash anger, lying, stealing, or any other sin. He created people who are given the free will to chose to follow Him or to reject Him.. He did not create gay sexual desires. He does not condone them. No sin is acceptable to Him. But love is always appropriate. Love to change the sinner.

        • Jennifer Jakeman

          So is it free will or DNA? Because if gay’s DNA will die out with them then it proves that gay’s don’t “choose” to be gay, which eliminates the entire argument of them sinning.

          • Shallymar

            Since gays can’t reproduce, they can’t impart their DNA through offspring.

          • Shallymar

            How can you even support that ridiculous statement with any modicum of facts! Just because the DNA of gay people isn’t carried forward with future generations does in no way prove gays don’t “choose’ to be gay. A choice afforded by our God-given free will is something totally different from DNA. How can anyone not understand that? Missed sixth grade science didn’t you.

          • Barrustio

            If we search hard enough we will always find a justification for actions which others deem “inappropriate”

      • Shallymar

        Dead wrong, Sarah! God does not create “gay” people. God creates straight people and some of those straight people choose to become gay!

        • What’s the big deal?

          Dead wrong, Shallymar!! Some people are born straight, some are born gay, no matter how many times you say otherwise. Besides, why would someone choose to be something that they know will make them a target of hate and intolerance?

        • Sarah

          Shallymar, just curious: how old were you when you “decided” to become straight?

      • Barrustio

        I hope for humanity’s sake that the”diversity of sexual desires” do not include pedophiles, people into bestiality or other perversions…because I feel that while God’s lve for us may not be lessened, I doubt that would be the purpose for our lives

    • athynz1

      As a Christian I find your post to be very offensive and more than a little ignorant. Offensive because you are basically celebrating the end of someone who does not share your views… which IIRC is NOT something that is preached in church or is within the Bible.

      As for the ignorant part – tell me something oh wise one – where do gay people come from? After all they cannot reproduce right? They come from straight people. Who share their DNA. So essentially NO, their DNA does not end eternally when they die.

      • Barrustio

        While I agree that it is offensive to wish the end of someone…..it is equally offensive that a great majority of gays have no problem with the decimation of the unborn

        • http://www.onepartjoyonepartcircus.com/ AJ Collins

          what?! This comment doesn’t even make sense. Since the vast majority of our population is straight, it is more than likely straight people who “have no problem with the decimation of the unborn”, it is illogical to make a blanket statement about homosexuals supporting abortion. As a Christian I am offended by the ignorance and gross negligence of this statement.

          • Barrustio

            It is common knowledge that liberal women who believe in abortion ( not that there’s many liberals who don’t) have some acquaintances who are gay with whom they hang out with and who for the most part are “tolerant” of a woman’s right to choose and who support each other in the fight against the “war on women” and same sex marriage….the statement is borne out of observation, not ignorance or negligence. By the way ….it wasnt a blanket statement….if you read again you’ll notice I said a “great majority”

          • http://www.onepartjoyonepartcircus.com/ AJ Collins

            Your comment was very short and after reading a number of your comments above, I was reacting to the whole of your opinions. Clearly you have an anti-abortion agenda, which is completely fine… but using the abortion debate to attack and vilify homosexuals is what got me. A “great majority” is still a blanket statement. Just like when people say a “great majority” of Christians are bigots and hateful… we take exception to that. I am not pro-abortion or “pro-gay” in any liberal sense… but I am super liberal with my love and grace and mercy for those who are lost without Him. Beating the “anti-abortion” drum is short-sighted and misses the forest for the trees. The world needs Jesus… and they won’t get Him when we are shoving “bloody baby” signs in their faces and shouting about “gays” and “liberals” ruining our country and morality. It’s the principle of the thing.

          • Barrustio

            I am not anti-gay either as I have family and friends whom I will always love and never renounce who are gay, however I was making an observation that BECAUSE of the nature of what many gays perceive as bullying by the general public , they tend to espouse views which liberals (or pro-abortion folks) do. I however have never nor will I ever see “beating the anti-abortion drum” as short sighted…..when I stop voicing my distaste for babies being sent to the grinder then the pro-abortionist have gotten what they want from the opposition….silence.

        • athynz1

          I’m not so sure it’s gays as much as it is liberal progressives in general – and for those who will vote me down for saying such at least have the cajones to tell me WHY it’s somehow okay to abort a fetus in the third trimester or perform partial birth abortions on at what that point is an innocent infant but it’s somehow NOT okay to execute a murderer, pedophile, or rapist?

          I know it has nothing to do with the topic at hand but I am genuinely curious about this dichotomy.

          • Barrustio

            That is one question which will tax a liberals mind too much to answer. I’m fine with the execution of a criminal who has been justly convicted of a heinous crime

          • AnotherCelia

            Sure. I’ll have the metaphorical cajones.
            It’s “okay” to abort a fetus in the third trimester because it will save the mother’s life. It’s not as though this and so-called “partial birth abortions” are common occurrences. They are rare instances, usually only performed when the fetus is unviable, and the woman’s life is in danger. It is a decision made out of desperation, not capricious whim. It has to be a medical emergency.
            Most of us “liberal progressives” are deeply saddened that such operations happen, but believe that it is a decision best left to patients and qualified doctors, not politicians and uninvolved outsiders.
            I would be very happy if no woman was EVER in the position to have to make this heart-wrenching decision of having an abortion, but as long as people willfully keep people ignorant of the mechanics of human reproduction, keep birth control out of the hands of sexually active people, and use shaming rather than solid, scientific information, then abortions will continue to happen.
            Honestly, as one of these vile “liberal progressives” you decry, one who is pro-choice, I would CELEBRATE a world where women never felt they needed to have an abortion. Why can’t we work together to make that happen, using education and compassionate help getting people out of poverty and abusive situations? Making abortions illegal again will NOT stop desperate women from having them. It will simply make those operations go back into dark alleys with unscrupulous practioners and unsafe practices. Illegal abortions will be dangerous and deadly, as they were before Roe v. Wade.
            As to the death penalty, until we can clean up our collective record of killing people whom we later discover were innocent, then we are better off not killing anyone. Personally, I believe in redemption. I have worked in the prison system doing some teaching, and I have seen hardened men have profound experiences that change them. I’ve seen how education transforms them. While I do think there are some criminals who may never be able to change (and many whom I believe are best left behind bars), I think as compassionate human beings, we shouldn’t kill them.
            I have empathy for the desire to kill some of these perpetrators of evil, I really do. But my default position is always going to be “No” to the death penalty. Life imprisonment is safer, in case the person is innocent, and because of my belief in redemption.
            So…that’s my opinion. I have tried to be honest, open and compassionate in my response. I hope you will afford me the same courtesy.
            Believe it or not, we “progressive liberals” aren’t out to ruin the country. We love this country as passionately as you do, and often share your core values. Indeed, I find the cavorting of scantily clad celebrities distasteful (so I don’t watch the show), but I also think they have the right to be as distasteful as they want to be. I may choose not to give them my money or my viewership, but they have the right to free speech. As my Mom used to say, “The right to free speech means some people are going to say some really stupid and offensive things”.
            I do wish network TV still had standards about when adult material is aired, though. It’s one thing if you’ve subscribed to cable: you get what you paid for. But the public airwaves should not screen adult material during the time children will be watching, IMHO. And in that I include violence, perhaps even moreso than sexual content, because lewd jokes will probably not even be understood by children, but watching violence will certainly impact them.

          • athynz1

            That has to be one of the best explanations I’ve seen – and something I can agree with. Thank you very much for the respectful post! For the record I’m not anti-abortion in cases of rape, incest, and/or danger to the mother’s life. Solely as means of birth control however I am against it – due to there being other avenues.

            With executions – yes there are some that have been wrongfully accused and convicted which is why they have to be taken very seriously. I for one don’t want to see innocents die – which is the main reason why I am against abortion solely as birth control – which is why it is critical for there to be no reasonable doubt.

            Both are slipperly slopes and there is no black and white with either but infinite shades of gray.

    • Tessa Lauren

      That is one of the most hateful comments. Christ LOVES the sinner. His design is one of love. Being gay is considered a sin and all sin separates us from Christ, but we are NOT given permission to be hateful. Instead, we are told to LOVE. Not to accept and love sin, but instead to love the sinner and pray they turn from their ways.

    • Jennifer Jakeman

      Do you know anything about DNA? LOL The DNA of a gay person was created from the DNA of a straight person. If you want gay’s to die out then you want straight people to die out too. You are hateful and full of judgment which God says he will handle.

      If you’re upset about gay people then tell straight people to stop having them.

      • Shallymar

        Straight people don’t give birth to “gay” people. Straight people give birth to straight people and some of those straight people CHOOSE to become gay.

        • AnotherCelia

          Have you ever met a gay person? They don’t CHOOSE to become gay, any more than you chose to “become” straight.
          Honestly, if you just spent some time with gay people, you’d discover that…they’re just people: ordinary people with all the same flaws and virtues of straight people. They aren’t sinners or perverts or out to convert your kids. They are simply ordinary people who want to live their lives with the people they love.

    • Thorsson

      How dare you assume to even remotely grasp our creators grand design. You couldn’t possibly fathom our grand architects intentions. How do you know he didn’t fully intend specific numbers within humans to be homosexual as a form of innate population control so that a species may find homeostasis within a given population thus fostering a harmonic ecosystem.

      • Barrustio

        Well rationale thought would be….if indeed his intent is as you describe, he would have made homosexuals at the beginning also….just to get a headstart on things. One thing to keep in mind though is the fact that he DID give us a free will.

  • Lloyd M. Mitchell

    Yeah….I chose NOT to watch the Grammy’s after last year..

    • Barrustio

      Good for you Sir

  • Snuff Ridge Ranch

    These are very sad times for our country and our future.

  • cwalex

    I tried to watch The Grammy’s but was so turned off by the tackiness of the opening number that I mostly watched The Pro Bowl. God Bless Natalie Grant for standing by her convictions.

  • disqus_CbgFzirgBw

    illuminated Knights Templar cross? Pretty sure that was a Black Widow spider marking. But I guess I’m expecting too much of a Christian to know anything about biology. Ignorance is a disease.

    • Christine Johnson

      I don’t think she said it was a Knights templar cross. The writer made that claim.

      • disqus_CbgFzirgBw

        Correct. I was replying to the writer.

    • http://twitter.com/kdrwnj knuckledragginrightwingnutjob

      So is unwelcome evangelism, but keep promoting your religion, kiddo….

      • Barrustio

        Don’t like unwelcome evangelism ….don’t listen to it….isn’t that the simplistic way you liberals discount abortion….don’t believe in it …..don’t have one

        • http://twitter.com/kdrwnj knuckledragginrightwingnutjob

          I just find the evangelists for the Religion of Atheism™ a bit hypocritical…

    • stayedawakeinschool

      Very simple…She wore a cross as a prop. It indeed has a spider on it. She most likely meant to offend…and you most definietely meant to offend. BTW…Your remark does not support your Biology cred…It simply proves you read comic books…ole wise one..

      • Shallymar

        Brilliant reply, stayedawakeinschool!

      • disqus_CbgFzirgBw

        I’m sure all the families of those slaughtered, tortured, and persecuted by christians for the last couple of thousand years were pretty offended too.

    • Craig Hammer

      Apparently you’ve never seen a black widow spider.

    • Jack Beezley

      Black widow is an hour glass, how can you confuse that with a cross?

    • Barrustio

      It was a cross …that was evident even to Stevie Wonder

    • http://www.onepartjoyonepartcircus.com/ AJ Collins

      Just google Katy Perry Grammy 2014. It was an illuminated Cross, in a fairytale-like “dark forest” complete with a human sized black horse. (The song is about love… not witchcraft) ABSURD that you are debating the one thing that is completely irrelevant. I am a Christian and though I didn’t watch the Grammys I am amazed that this has turned into a Conservative/Liberal attack-fest or even a Christian/Non-Christian name calling. FROM BOTH SIDES… geez people. Take a breath and READ what you are all writing. All Liberals aren’t atheists, all Christians aren’t Conservatives… Good for her for 1. keeping her negative opinions to herself, 2. standing up for her values…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    All the Grammy’s are is a left winged talking platform. Good for her fleeing Hollywood elitist.

  • DougDeGrave

    When will the Christians learn that the driving force behind the onslaught of this cultural Marxist agenda are the ‘chosen ones” as they call themselves.

    • Duel Perry Damesworth

      We were all “chosen” Doug. Me, you, them, everyone. Believe what you want, it’s called free will. Not one is righteous, no not one……But we ALL are loved and called to love.

      • Shallymar

        We all are not called God’s chosen people. Read your Bible, dude!

      • Barrustio

        Liberals need to be “called” to love a little louder ….maybe we can stymie abortion

    • Thorsson

      Doug,
      How exactly is the hebrew effort Marxist in nature? I see no imagery or other communication pushing common ownership or distribution based on one’s contribution. Christians see “dark” symbolism and immediately assume Satanism is in play. “Do what though wilt shall be the whole of the law” this is in complete opposition of any superstructure co-operative effort and definitely not a means to an end of class struggle.
      P.S. Love the Misfits, specifically Glenn.

      • Barrustio

        There was nothing “symbolic” about the awards….it was blatant debauchery unworthy of being viewed by my children on prime time and even yours

      • DougDeGrave

        The theist Jews who triumphed in Israel in 1917, and especially in 1948 after the foundation of the State of Israel, came from the same region and social background – the Pale of Settlement in Western Russia – as the atheist Jews who triumphed in Moscow in 1917.The Russian
        revolution may be regarded as one branch of that general triumph of
        Jewish power which we observe in the twentieth century in both East and
        West, in both Russia and America and Israel. The mainly Jewish nature
        of the Bolshevik leadership – and of the world revolution in general –
        cannot be doubted.

        Winston Churchill wrote: “It would almost seem as if the Gospel of Christ and the gospel of anti-Christ were designed to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the Divine and the diabolical… From the days of ‘Spartacus’ Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany) and Emma Goldman (United States), this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.”

        “It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others.”

    • Richard M

      Methinks y’all missed the bit of irony behind Doug’s words.

    • Micheleh

      Oh, so it’s all the fault of the Jews? FASCINATING.

      • DougDeGrave

        Of the 50 senior executives of the top major music labels and trade organizations, 39 are Jews. Of the 64 senior executives of the major television broadcast networks, cable networks, and production companies, 57 are Jews or have Jewish spouses. Who would you say is behind the Grammy Awards shows? I’d be fascinated to know.

        • Micheleh

          How many are men? How many are left-handed? How many are blue-eyed? They’re each as relevant.

          • DougDeGrave

            I see, so you don’t favor one flavor of Kool-Aid over another? FASCINATING…

  • Guest

    I’m a born-again reprobate, so she left for everything I would have gone FOR. :)

    • scott

      Oxymoron….no such thing. Born again people are people who whose testimony is that of the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 5:17 “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation, the old has passed away, behold the new is come. Or 2 Corinthians 6:14 “Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?”

      • Bee Butler.

        Wrong. “Born-again” is a term that is not selective to any faith. You don’t get to claim a set of words. What you’re thinking of is “Born-again Christian”.

  • Raphael Mastro

    When i was in my Teens we had the VMA’s…Thats what the Grammy’s have turned into. They used to be a prestigious award ceremony where we honored musics best and now its turned into a stage for Pop culture morons to display their stupid agendas. Granted, we have experienced some of this 20 years ago sure, but not to this level. This used to be the BIG BOY awards show where you had to step your game up and show a bit more class. But the pageantry of the award show has been dumbed down to the level of MTV’s VMA’s.

  • Marilyn Kraak-Harrington

    I say good for her!! I would have done the same thing if I had been there. The type of activity that went on on that show is exactly why I don’t watch it any more. I find it disgusting.

    • Jimmy Z

      Too bad that now she says that’s not why she left.

      • Theresa Easley

        Because she had her fill of immorality BEFORE the weddings were performed.

      • Steve Matthews

        cause the show was to be about art not porn

      • BrendaS

        Then i think you need to re-read her comment. I read her reasoning and it certainly falls in the realms of why she left. She was trying to be kind about it but she is clear that she stands for Christian music. I think she was shocked by what she saw and just didn’t want to watch anymore

        • Jimmy Z

          I’m sorry, it is you who should read it again. She took no stand at all. She ran from it.

  • Scott

    Well said.

  • ReneeTru

    Very well stated. God will do the judging, but we do know when we need to remove ourselves from a situation, and that you did.

    • Shallymar

      Christians should be doing more of what Amy did. They also should not be watching a lot of worthless junk on TV. Watched a few minutes of Two and a Half Men and was repulsed by what I saw! Immediately turned it off. Hadn’t seen it in years and it has definitely gone down hill. Probably something, as a Christian, I shouldn’t have watched in the first place. I’m more discriminating in what I watch.

      • Mellisa621267

        Its time to withdraw from popular culture. By watching it we are giving our money to people that hate us and mock our Lord and Savior. Its not small slights any more or an absence of mention of Christ and Christianity. Its downright hostility towards us. TV makes money because advertisers believe they are communicating with customers through it. Stop supporting TV. They won’t make as much money. Turn it off. Make it a monitor for your DVD player and watch only what movies and shows you feel comfortable with, we Christians have too long sat by and let this civilization drift further and further away from what we believe is right. There are plenty of sources of information & entertainment including the Internet.

      • Patriot Lady

        Natalie, not Amy. Different wonderful singer!

      • Micheleh

        You don’t have to be a Christian to be repulsed by Two And A Half Men.

    • I♥Jesus

      The BIBLE clearly says that light and dark have nothing in common…..they should hold a separate awards show for CHRISTIANS we have to live in this world and not be of it…it says to abstain from the appearance of evil…and it also says that I should not stretch forth mine hand against the Lords anointed…if a man also lie with mankind as he Leith with a woman both of them have committed an abomination they shall surely be put to death..judge not least you be judged for them that are without God judgeth..immorality must be judged and God’s gonads take care of that and fornicators..whoremongers..sorcerers..idolaters. murderers..and liars. They shall have their part in the lake of fire…God will not wink at ignorance!

  • Hannah Hansen

    I love her for that. The “award” shows have turned into something else completely.

  • scott

    I wish every “Christian” artist who won would have followed suit and refused to accept their awards. We need to be salt and light to the world but we don’t Satan’s validation of our efforts.

    • James Jeans

      But maybe Satan loves us too. It’s just as likely as the other stuff.

  • Jennifer

    I’ve never heard of you but I just liked your page. Well done. Exactly why no one in our house is allowed to watch this filth.

  • thepsychocinephile

    Good for her, I’m glad she decided to keep her bigotry, ignorance and judgmental thoughts to herself. Now, if only more Christians would do that.

    • JoseyWalesSr

      Well that comment certainly didn’t sound bigoted, ignorant, or judgmental … thats what I appreciate most about Liberals such as yourself – your unwavering fight for all … hypocrite …

      • thepsychocinephile

        Did I say I was a Liberal? How was anything I said bigoted, ignorant, or judgmental? All I said was that I’m glad she kept her comments to herself. Also, the more conservatives fight against Liberals and liberals against conservatives the weaker you are. Both sides have their negatives and positives. Stand together and you’re strongest.

        • Frazman

          “All I said was that I’m glad she kept her comments to herself . . .”

          Again for those who missed it, here is what psychobabble ACTUALLY said: “I’m glad she decided to keep her bigotry, ignorance and judgmental thoughts to herself.”

          That’s a far cry from “I’m glad she kept her comments to herself.” But the lies are to be expected from a fool who is trying to cover his tracks.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Lol, “Psychobabble”, I like that, that’s funny. I’m not covering anything, no need to. You are absolutely correct that is what I said. I never said that I didn’t say that.

        • Yomps

          You’re assinine commentary said you are a liberal.

          • James Jeans

            And your response pegs you as a bit of an ass. But just because you read like a reactionary, hostile internet troll doesn’t mean you actually are a reactionary, hostile internet troll. It’s kind of hard to get a proper read on a person based on a snippet in a comments section.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Still with the liberal stuff? That’s cool, I’m fine if you think I’m a “liberal”. I’d be fine of you thought I was “conservative”. Makes no difference to me.

        • Shallymar

          Most Liberals don’t have to say they are liberal. Their reputations precede them.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Sweet! I was hoping for another “liberal” comment!

        • Freddie Morrison

          Actually you said “I’m glad she decided to keep her bigotry, ignorance and judgmental thoughts to herself”

          • thepsychocinephile

            Correct, sir.

        • Richard M

          You didn’t have to. Your “action of words” spoke volumes about your psycho….er, psyche and what your believe. You can’t run from it no matter how you try to obfuscate by misdirection.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Not running from anything. Hey, look over there!!!!——>

        • Freddie Morrison

          LOL LOL…I love how you keep trying to make your comments smell better with the little “unify” attempts to sugar coat them!

          • thepsychocinephile

            Sorry, to disappoint you, but I’m very genuine about unity.

        • Richard M

          Perhaps we should go easy on the “attacks” against psychobabble. One may think we are trying to bully he/she/it.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Ah!!! Thanks for taking up from me, but I’m fine. Maybe I’m all three…..you never know!!!!

        • life_happens

          She (thepsychoinephile) is just goading people. Don’t fall for it. Walk away.

          • thepsychocinephile

            I could never walk away, ever!!! Too much fun!!!

          • life_happens

            Case in point.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Ah, but the real truth is: point in case. Marinate on the true poetry of that statement for a while.

    • Don Hicks

      It’s just too bad that you chose not to follow her lead, psycho.

      • thepsychocinephile

        Yeah, I’m really bad and following, always just end up moving to the front.

    • JoseyWalesSr

      And by the way, she did what any reasonable person would do, she didn’t care for the program, she got up and left and DID NOT tell anyone else they could not be there … a bit like changing the channel … unlike the censoring Liberals wish to do to anyone whose opinions they do not like or “approve” of …

      • thepsychocinephile

        Again, I didn’t say anything bad about her, in fact I said I’m glad she did what she did. Are you sure you actually read my comment? Once again, you are buckling your own knees when you battle it out with Liberals.

        • Richard Davis

          thepsychocinephile, you said much more by what you didn’t say than by what you said. What you infer is that if one does not agree with what was expressed at the Grammy’s then they are a bigot, ignorant and judgmental. You have basically reversed tolerance to mean one is intolerant when one does not agree.100% with a certain point of view, but your point of view is the only correct one. That is how liberals, and I assume you are one, have taken dialogue away as to keep things emotional. I would WELCOME the opportunity to discuss issue based on fact…I can guarantee my knees would not buckle.

          • thepsychocinephile

            I like you already, sir. Sadly though, you have already buckled your knees. I never made any mention of conservatism, whether I be liberal or not I don’t “battle” on that because you are my brother, I stand beside you and with you, not against you. What I “inferred” is an incorrect way to put it, a better way would’ve been what you “read into it”. I never said anyone was intolerant, she left quietly and respectfully, not making some big deal out of it, so that I can respect a lot.

          • Yomps

            You’re a stupid liberal – sorry to be redundant.

          • Floatey

            Can I ask when “liberal” became an insult or something negative? Sure, there are some issues that many Christians and Christian churches are conservative on, such as sex, gay marriage, reproductive rights, and so on. But I would argue there are just as many things that a true follower of Jesus would be and/or believe that fall on the liberal (read: progressive) side. This all include things that involve LOVING other people, which last time I checked was a pretty big part of Christianity. For example, fighting for equity, fair treatment, justice, and equal rights for everyone regardless of skin color, race, gender, or socio-economic status. Not believing in the death penalty, because it involves taking a human life. Serving the poor by providing them with more services and treating them with DIGNITY, which so many people don’t do. I would consider all of these to be pretty progressive actions, and all things Christians are called to do. Saying “liberals are bad” and “conservatives are good” or vice versa is such a black-and-white, close-minded, and incredibly unproductive stance to have.

          • Yomps

            Stupid is as stupid does. Help those that need help but when did collecting unemployment, food stamps and welfare become a career? I didn’t say conservatives are good nor did I say liberals are bad – I said liberals are stupid. Saying you don’t believe in the death penalty but believing abortion is OK, as most libs do, supports my comment that liberals are stupid.

          • thepsychocinephile

            That’s okay. At least you knowledge how pointless and repetitive your comment is.

          • Curtis Winkler

            While commenting on the thoughts in her head.

          • thepsychocinephile

            I’m not sure this deserves a response….but yet here I am giving one. How was your day, Curtis?

          • Joseph Wieck

            Actually you did not infer and he did not read into. You called her thoughts ignorant, you said her bigotry and her judgmental thoughts. You judged her because she is a Christian when she chose not to follow along with what you want. You directly accused her of being a bigot by saying “her bigotry”. You were quite clear as you judged her and all Christians. That is bigotry on your part. You also displayed ignorance by lumping all Christians into the same bucket. So in your initial post you display the very same defects of character that you accuse her of.

            Now I welcome you to respond and discuss why you do not agree with me.

          • Richard M

            Well said.

          • Alicia

            Eyeroll. Once again, calling out bigotry is not bigotry. Where do you get this bullshit from? “choosing not to follow” LGBTQA rights is hate. It’s not a value system. It’s ignorance and the perpetuation of oppression.

          • Joseph Wieck

            From Dictionary.com.
            big·ot·ry [big-uh-tree] Show IPA
            noun, plural big·ot·ries.
            1.
            stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.
            He called all Christians because they believe the way they do. Bigotry is not a religious thing like so many think. Read the #1 definition. He has shown that he has no tolerance for Christians who do not believe has he does. That is bigotry. Now can you drop the sarcasm and have a discussion,

            I will start of by saying that you are very closed minded. I do not agree with the lifestyle. I am very open about that. At the same time I have friends who are gay. I love them the same as I love my strait friends. I do not think that what they do is correct in the eyes of God, but God also tells me that judgement is his not mine. I tell them my views and accept them. I show them what I believe is the right way and it is on them to choose what they want to do. Saying that I hate them because I do not agree, is a complete close minded view that you accuse me of.

            If you will allow me I would like to take this one step further. Marriage is a religious item. Government should have no place in it. Because I believe Marriage is a sacred item, I do not believe that any gay or other non “traditional” couple should be allowed to be “Married”. Now since the Government recognizes marriage as a bond and laws are written around that, then I believe that the government should recognize other types of unions as well. The laws should be written around unions and it is up to the couple at hand to define what their union is. Is it a marriage in the eyes of God? Is it a Civil Union (i.e. non religious), or a union based off of another faith? The Government has no place in the personal lives of the citizens and the laws should be written as such.

            For me it is a value system and not hate. I do not wish to see anyone oppressed and there are serious issues with our laws that need fixed. You will not fix it by doing the same thing you accuse me of without bothering to ask why I view these this way. I will be happy to have a conversation about this with anyone.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Thank you for the sign of intelligent life. It is refreshing. As much as I want to debate you, I’m sad to say that I kind of agree with you. A bit. I will explain, and I look forward to your response. I did, unfairly, judge her, but not for what you said. I assumed all those things about her based on her status update, but I don’t know her context and I wasn’t in her head. If I’m wrong then I apologize. If my assumptions are correct though then I stand behind what was said, not in judgement, but in simple fact. I’m not against Christians so I wasn’t being a bigot, though you are correct I did lump all Christians together. That was a mistake, it wasn’t intended that way but I can see how one would think that’s what I was doing. I know lots of great Christians who are open minded and just want people to be happy and live the lives they want. Back when I was still a very religious person I was one of these people. It wasn’t my intention to label all Christians under one idea. For that I was wrong. I don’t know if that would be consider ignorant but if so, then I’ll except it.

          • Joseph Wieck

            Fair enough. I probably did some of the same. That is the problem with reading text. You cannot get the context or mindset of the person. I can respect any person who is willing to discuss their views and admit when they are wrong. It is a hard step to take some times.

            I wouldn’t say anything you posted was ignorant, put the original post came across as very narrow minded and as I said before the same things you accused her of. One thing that I can say is many Christians are frustrated with the atmosphere of “if you say anything contrary to what we want then you hate us or you are a bigot etc.” That frustration causes many to go overboard too quickly. Both sides would be better served to learn more before speaking.

          • thepsychocinephile

            It’s all about discussion, and understanding. There’s no way everyone will agree but it’s good to understand both sides of any issue and walk away with at the very least a bit of clarity.

            Looking back I see that really my comment was frustration with the article that came before the unrelated facebook status. The article comes off very obnoxious and judgmental(probably very similar to my original comment). I made the mistake and directing my comment in the wrong direction.

            I do understand some of the frustration, and think we live in a atmosphere that is become too PC. While understand it to a point, because I’ve heard many vile ignorant things from some Christians, but the other side has their vitriol as well. As you said, there are people on both sides that can go overboard. Unfortunately, it seems those that go overboard are the ones always heard, from yelling the loudest.

          • Joseph Wieck

            You and I are in complete agreement on that. As you said it is all about the conversation and learning. It is a wonderful thing to have an actual conversation instead of just accusations and name calling.

          • thepsychocinephile

            It’s all about meeting in the middle. I thank you for our little discussion and bringing something real and intelligent to the conversation.

          • disqus_4lORqH1wQh

            I’m shocked. Shocked! Another Liberal rewriting history to find cover from their own words. Some things never change.

          • thepsychocinephile

            I’m shocked! I’m shocked!!!! Another liberal comment!!! Nothing was rewritten.

          • disqus_4lORqH1wQh

            17 hours ago you wrote “I’m glad she decided to keep her bigotry, ignorance and judgmental thoughts to herself.”

            17 hours plus a few minutes later when your hypocrisy and hateful accusations were noted by others, you wrote “I didn’t say anything bad about her”.
            Good try, but you may want to try to re-write history in a situation where your words are not memorialized in such a public way.

          • thepsychocinephile

            I know what I wrote, but “bigotry, ignorance and judgmental” were never written as an insult, despite my frustration, they were written as fact. Though, I have acknowledged that my comment was incorrectly directed at the wrong person.

          • disqus_4lORqH1wQh

            Good grief! Stop before you hurt yourself! Do you realize you just wrote “bigotry, ignorance and judgmental” were never written as an insult, despite my frustration, they were written as fact”? Bwaahahahaahaa!!!!!! Gasp. *wiping away tears of laughter* Dude. You really need to reread that one several times. Slowly. Let me know if you need any help figuring out the irony.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Very aware of what I wrote, sir. Feel free to take it as an insult but it wasn’t meant that way. Sorry, I know you want to see something else there but there isn’t. My frustration was with the fact that people keep coming with the same regurgitated thoughts. There are a lot of Christians, and people in general, who are bigoted, ignorant, and judgmental. I don’t hate people for these things, but I will call them out on it.

            I’m glad you gotta good laugh though, I hope it served your day better.

          • Barrustio

            The only knees buckling here are yours girl. It’s obvious you would lick the toe jam off Obama’s liberal feet after bowing to him on your buckled knees…. and worship his favorite idols jz and beyonce whose performance did more to further the thought that rappers are all about a pimp and his ho….what’s more insulting than your inference is your patronizing manner

          • thepsychocinephile

            Anything patronizing is all in your head, sir. You also happen to be insanely wrong. Jay-Z and Beyonce produce nothing but terrible music, I’ve never been a fan of either. As for Obama, I never voted for him in either election. I also find some of the things he’s done, from drone strikes to NDAA, to be disgusting and deplorable. Our government is the exact reason I made the comments to not focus on liberal and conservative. You’ve weakened your stance as soon as you divide.

          • Freddie Morrison

            So, I take it you didn’t say this? “I’m glad she decided to keep her bigotry, ignorance and judgmental thoughts to herself”

          • thepsychocinephile

            Incorrect, sir. I did say that. What I didn’t say was that she was intolerant.

          • Richard M

            You would make a good politician because you have sure danced all around the subject. You did, in fact, infer she was ignorant, bigoted and judgmental. I don’t have to read between the lines. Those are your words and thoughts. Remember, words mean things.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Thank you! Sadly, I couldn’t be a politician, I’m much to vulgar. Actually, I didn’t infer that she was ignorant, bigoted and judgmental. I actually said that.

        • Frazman

          “I didn’t say anything bad about her . . .”

          Right. All you said was, “I’m glad she decided to keep her bigotry, ignorance and judgmental thoughts to herself.” Nothing bad.

          What a joke you are.

          • thepsychocinephile

            I said it as a matter of fact, not as an insult. I do have a few good knock knock jokes.

        • Shallymar

          Looking like there won’t be a lot of Liberals in Heaven. Not that they’re not welcome, but a place most of them wouldn’t want to be caught dead in!

          • thepsychocinephile

            If Heaven exist then you may be right. Maybe not though, I know a few liberals that are Christian and I’m sure they want to go to Heaven.

        • randellmd

          No but you passed judgment on all the rest of us, moron.

          • thepsychocinephile

            You’ve discredited yourself, sir.

        • Joe Kennedy

          Your Troll-Fu is weak grasshopper … more practice is required

          • thepsychocinephile

            Believe it or not I’ve been completely genuine up to this point. But some of these comments are really goading the troll out of me. I like your style though.

        • Barrustio

          A first grader could read into your “bigotry,ignorance and judgemental” not so well disguised double speak

          • thepsychocinephile

            I would hope so, it’s pretty blatant. No double speak around.

        • Freddie Morrison

          ” Now, if only more Christians would do that.” Typical liberal, selective memory.

          • thepsychocinephile

            Store this in your memory: You are about the 15th “liberal” related comment I’ve gotten. It’s all irrelevant at this point.

        • Richard M

          Yeah, read every word of your comment and also read between the lines the judgement you passed upon her and those like her. You can say what you want, you attacked her in front of all. You called her bigoted. You called her judgmental. You called her ignorant. So, that puts a lie to your comment above doesn’t it, where you state “I didn’t say anything bad about her.” Personally, I don’t give a damn what I say. You are a POS. You are an air thief. The best thing that could happen is you take a long walk off a short pier. So, tell me. How does it feel to have someone put voice to words that you may not like. Oh, and it’s not hate either. I just think you are reprehensible. My opinion voiced in an open forum. You don’t like it…grow up. Crap goes both ways.

          • thepsychocinephile

            I never attacked her. I simply stated facts. Lol, air thief? That’s awesome, I like that. Considering a pier extends over water and I’m an excellent swimmer I can only assume that you wish for me to have a pleasant, cool dip. Thank you, I wish the same for you, especially when it gets warm. I feel fine, thank you for asking. Reprehensible?! I have nothing but love for you, sir. Although, you saying that makes me think I should see it as a compliment. So, again, thank you.

      • James Jeans

        I’m a liberal, and I detest censorship. I reckon you can say or do pretty much anything you like so long as you’re not hurting anyone else. But I get it: it’s easy to paint the whole canvas when you’ve got the brush all ready to go. No harm, no foul.

        Amusingly, most of the extreme liberals that I know complain about Censoring Conservatives. Go figure. It’d be too easy just to agree to disagree and move on with our lives.

    • justathought22

      WOW TYPICAL IGNORANT LIBERAL

      • Alicia

        YOU DON’T SOUND ANY LESS IGNORANT WHEN YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS.

      • thepsychocinephile

        This is the kind of comment I fully expect from someone who leaves their caps lock on.

    • Curtis Winkler

      Some people have no respect for anything.

      • thepsychocinephile

        Indeed, some people don’t.

    • Shallymar

      Her mistake – she probably should have said what she thought.

      • thepsychocinephile

        Maybe….who knows for sure.

    • Barrustio

      We would, if only the liberals would reciproctae by keeping their debauchery, lust and animalistic desires off of prime time in their efforts to spread their lack of values to impressionable youth so that they may join them in their misery.

      • Alicia

        Oh Jesus tap dancing Christ. Go away.

        • Barrustio

          Typical liberal response to the truth

      • AnotherCelia

        You DO know that the people making money off of the debauchery are most likely rich Republican conservatives, don’t you? And that many liberals are upset about the coarsening of the public airwaves? Your simplistic view of “Us/Them” is harmful to the compassion and love that Jesus died for. I get it…it’s easier to pin all that you fear and hate on a group of people, making them inhuman and “other”. But it harms the world, it harms the people you hate, and that hate deeply harms you. I pray for you, friend, that you can find peace, acceptance, and compassion in yourself and in the world. The amount of bile you spread in your words has to be hurting you inside.

        • Barrustio

          Really? I can’t think of too many faces I that I would think were Republicans out of the entire show. What you call “MY” simplistic “Us/Them” was not started by me but by people who assume that because you voice opposition to what is obviously an agenda to spread debauchery as being hateful. I pray every day for myself and for others and I will pray that you will see the REAL light rather than try to justify the wretched with accusations of spreading bile …being patronizing doesn’t help and all so obvious.

      • thepsychocinephile

        Impressionable youth? You mean the same ones bombarded by Christianity? What youth is watching prime time tv? None of that sounds miserable.

        • Barrustio

          I’m sure you don’t know this but there are STILL some families who do things in the traditional family way….together (sorry if you were deprived) being “bombarded” by sex ,debauchery, violent games , mockery of relion, pimps and hos trying to pass their agenda off as music would be YOUR alternative to being bombarded by Christianity which you feel is taking America down the drain right?

          • thepsychocinephile

            Well there are countless versions of “traditional families” that have existed through the centuries, but I’m going to assume that you are referring to the “nuclear family” made popularized and idolized by ’50s and ’60s tv. If this is the case then no I was not “deprived”. I grew up in a Christian house with my mother and father and sister. Nope, never said Christianity is taking America down the drain, but people shouldn’t be bombarded by any religion.

          • Barrustio

            I agree….neither should they be bombarded by liberal agendas

          • thepsychocinephile

            Good, we finally agree, though I’m not sure what a “liberal agenda” is.

          • Barrustio

            Conservatives do

          • thepsychocinephile

            That offers no clarity. Do you consider yourself a conservative?

          • Barrustio

            No, liberals do

          • thepsychocinephile

            If you don’t label yourself a conservative then why label people liberal? Break down that gang like mentality of one group is this and the other group is that. People say liberal agenda, people say conservative agenda, but to each person they have a different idea of that agenda. It’s not much of an agenda if its purpose and ideas differ from person to person.

          • Barrustio

            Conservatives arepretty clear that they are pro -life and pro -traditional marriage… liberals are neither…..I would say that pretty clearly denotes the agendas of each group

          • thepsychocinephile

            That’s a pretty general statement. I’d like to think there are more specifics to conservatives and liberals. Also, “pro-life” and “pro-traditional marriage” or usually poorly defined, or just defined incorrectly.

          • Barrustio

            OK….liberals…..are for the most part pro-abortion and pro-same sex marriage…..conservatives are neither. Does that narrow it down some.

          • thepsychocinephile

            A bit, sir. Much more adequate description.

    • Josh

      Pot, meet kettle.

      • Alicia

        Yes! supportive, loving pot. Meet hate filled ignorant kettle. You’re exactly the same!

      • thepsychocinephile

        I haven’t seen pot around, but what’s up kettle?

    • Freddie Morrison

      As soon as you get the liberal agenda out of the lime light.

      • Alicia

        I’m unclear on what the liberal agenda is, but I hope it involves cheese. I really love cheese.

      • thepsychocinephile

        Sorry, I have no control over any sort of “lime light”. No matter what the “agenda” is.

    • Peter Field

      moron and why don’t u and the rest of the homosexuals keep YOUR TRASH to yourself! Quit trying to ram it down our throats!

      • Alicia

        Yeah! Quit trying to ram equality down our throats!! Only SOME people deserve happiness and security! Don’t you know that?!?! Sheesh!

      • Bee Butler.

        Pretty sure Jesus has already decided where you’re going, and it ain’t anywhere near him. Talk about trash.

      • Lucas Geist

        name calling is not a good idea, if you want to convince someone of something. also, how do you know that this person is a homosexual? a lot of people who support that lifestyle are not homosexuals themselves.

      • thepsychocinephile

        This, people, is exactly what I’m talking about. Peter, come back when you have something intelligible to say.

        • Peter Field

          I’m back, read the above!

          • thepsychocinephile

            Welcome, sir!! Let’s see what you got….

    • Lucas Geist

      it sounds like she is not someone who is a bigot or judgemental (according to the definitions of the words). people like to call others those things, when they are intolerant of their viewpoints. she, however, was likely ignorant about what would happen at this Grammies (not about immorality). if you are going to try to argue against someone else’s viewpoint, at least be tolerant of their right to have a differing viewpoint. also, it makes you look unintelligent to use words wrong. most Christians (not fakes) don’t “shove it down peoples’ throats,” but rather live by example and while voicing their views. by labeling her (in this context) as a bigot, ignorant, and judgemental you are doing what you are not wanting others to do to those who share your opinions. i would not say that you are being judgemental in your post, though; because that implies that you are being condemning. under the definitions of the words (bigot, ignorant, and stupid), it appears that with your comment, you are being a bigot and ignorant (unless you know better than to make comments like this, which would make you a bigot and stupid).

      • thepsychocinephile

        Well, it kinda does sound like she could be those things, but I don’t know her personally so, hey, leave it up in the air. I’m very tolerant, I’ve had years of training to be tolerant. I’m being at all bigoted I was simply speaking fact. If she wants to be that way that’s fine, I’m just glad she kept it to herself. While I do agree that not all Christians are as you said the “shove it down peoples’ throats” types, and I admit I was wrong to not specify that not all Christians are bigoted etc., it’s a long shot to say that most aren’t.

    • Peter Field

      As a Christian, I have just as much of a right to express my thoughts and views as the perverted homosexuals and deviates in the liberal / bias media do! At least the last time I read the Constitution I did. Calling someone ignorant, judgmental and a bigot is just the standard way a liberal has of defending their perverted positions. They feel that they have all the right to present THEIR views, but other views have no rights of expression. Typical! Well thepsychocinephile, as believer in God and the Constitution, I WILL NOT BE SILENCED. So, don’t even try! I have just as much of a right to express my views as you or any other perverted left wing nut liberal!

      • thepsychocinephile

        Well, can’t say I’m surprised at your comment. I have an aggressive urge just to troll you, but I’m going to fight that back and try and respond to you honestly. You have every right, you are correct, as a human you can say what you want. I never said you couldn’t. The media is liberally bias, it’s corporately bias and they want to keep you at odds with your neighbor. You are being ignorant and bigoted right now, and I don’t say that as an insult or some standard way to defend my positions, but I say it as fact from your very comment.

        I welcome anyone wanting to present their view, but just yelling pervert a lot isn’t presenting anything. You can still say it, you have that right but you completely discredit yourself.

        I think you may be paranoid, no one is trying to silence you, unless they are just telling you to be quiet because you’re being incredibly annoying.

  • Evie Keyes Martinez

    I’m sorry I not up on who is in and who not, but you are definitely IN with me and I want to check out your music and follow you. Kudos for your action. God will bless you.

    • Julie Berry Clark

      Check out the song “Alive”, it’ wonderful. A song told from the view of Mary Magdalene.

  • Taylor

    “Refusing to pass judgment on the debacle, after she left Natalie had this to say on her Facebook page, which in a few words said so much:”

    So, you decided to take up the torch?

    Why was she surprised at what went on at The Grammy’s? It makes a big deal about being exactly what it is.

    • Kimberly Dawn Felske

      This.

  • Moke

    AMEN!

  • Nam1

    Amen Natalie, Amen!

  • Jared Prophet

    What a twit. “Look, gay people. I’ma gettin’ my panties all in a bunch.”

    • al11

      a bit unfair, don’t you think? the article didn’t mention why they left early, and her response later was merely to send out a statement that refrained from any sort of attack or unkind words. I find that very Christian-like, regardless of what I may or may not have done myself. anyway, it certainly doesn’t make any cause for nasty attacks coming their way, don’t you think?

    • Angela Hutchins

      It’s not up to us to judge anyone’s lifestyle but to sit there (all of America to see) and have it shoved down our throats is disrespectful.

      • Bee Butler.

        No one shoved anything down your throat. Natalie walked out and you could’ve turned it off. If you don’t like it, then don’t watch it. By the way, your comment was disrespectful (and judgemental).

  • Yomps

    Good for her – just because more and more idiots support this liberal garbage doesn’t make it right.

  • Michael J. Ross

    This article is ridiculous.

  • Frazman

    Natalie Grant has been one of my favorite recording artists for the last couple of years (since her album “Relentless.”) Now she is my hero. I’m proud to say that my daughter has also become a fan of her music, which I recommend to anyone.

  • Johnny Meadows

    We must coninue on spreading the love of our Saviour Jesus Christ and being salt and light. Continue to pray for those who are lost in their sins in our nation and world. There is truly healing power in the blood of the Lamb.

    • Mary Long

      Well said, Johnny. Reading most of these comments grieve me. I can’t tell by their words who follows Jesus and who doesn’t. Forgive us, Jesus.

  • pfehrman

    They did the right thing. I wish I could say the same thing for the rest of the participants and the attendees.

  • Glenn Thompson

    Well Done Natalie, Well Done!!!

  • vdetillion

    Thank you Natilie Grant

  • Marla Ritchie

    Why the need to call out Madonna as “menopausal”? What a sexist pig remark about a woman’s age. There were plenty of older, celebrated male artists on stage during the show…..Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Steven Tyler, Stevie Wonder, etc. What does age and/or gender have to do with talent? Madonna has a long and successful career compared to many young pop princesses that won’t last.

    • Don Bivens

      Probably because men don’t experience menopaus

      • Marla Ritchie

        But even if they did…..why the need to mention it? Why do we need to put others down for the natural aging process? It happens to everyone……why make it a “put-down” like it is a dirty word?

    • John Ritchie

      She sucks

      • Marla Ritchie

        While you are certainly welcome to your opinion, her #1 singles, overall album sales, downloads, and tour revenues paint an entirely different picture…….

    • Amanda Evans

      Because the men are classy and dont act like they are still 16 yr old pop stars who twerk get gold grills and turn into nasty attention whores like Madonna.

      • Marla Ritchie

        I guess as a woman, you won’t mind being called “menopausal” at the same age men are being called “classy” and “distinguished”. Last I checked, Stephen Tyler and Mick Jagger were not exactly acting like grandpas but rather chasing around young models and exhibiting less than role model like behavior

      • rachel441

        Men are classy? What? It was a married man that Miley was “twerking” with/on. Pure class, he is.

    • Lucas Geist

      this article was written by a female……

    • Meg

      Because when christians need to describe a person as “less than”, they choose go-to words like, “menopausal, sissy, girlie, faggy, and a whole hosts of words that I heard at church my whole life. It just goes to show that some “christian” men are rooted in the idea of sexism and ultimately women knowing their places. Women aren’t excluded from this notion either, just read the other replies to this comment.

  • Megan Baker
  • chamronb

    I guess Natalie and husband have never watched the Grammys? Seems strange to be in the industry making lots of money while singing about Jesus and then leaving early due to some sort of “shock” as to what goes on at these events?! Pick your side Natalie. Be in the world but not of it? Then get out of that world…you would be more believable if you just sang in your church choir….oh wait money probably not as
    good?

    • al11

      I didn’t see anywhere in this article that they were shocked or unaware of anything which goes on in these shows or, for that matter, in the world. is simply says they left early. apparently it was because they didn’t feel comfortable with all that was going on, and that is different. I know I leave places when I’m uncomfortable, either with the content of the activity or with the way people get to acting, or even when I just get a headache…or bored. I think it’s a stretch to infer ‘shock’ here.

    • cspanjunkie1

      wow, chamronb- snarky much? can’t christians make money also? wow- I did not watch the grammy show so I missed it all but hey-christian music is popular, glad to hear she was nominated – the shows -as a rule- have become more and more debauched as time goes by but I have heard this one really does cross over some lines- so, stop being a hater- Christians have every right to make money too.

    • Jerri

      That was an unfair and judgmental comment. She is as entitled as anyone to use her God-given talents to earn a livelihood.

    • Kristin Lawrence

      I politely disagree with what you are saying, if we use our God given talent to sing praises to God only in the church then we are not spreading his ministry. We are called to minister to many so that all have a chance to be saved, its not about money. Its about reaching as many people as we can for the cause of Christ before it is too late. She would be wasting her music and ministry if she just “stuck to church choir” as you put it. I’m sure there are probably a lot of musicians out there christian and non christian who are simply doing it for the money. But please don’t lump all in the same category.

  • Peter Field

    A disgusting typical grammy show! We turned it off!

    • DetroitSun

      Award shows alone are just tiring, at least I think so. So many of them out there. Perhaps the next award show to be added is an award show for most awards ~

    • rachel441

      If you knew what a typical grammy show was like, why’d you turn it on in the first place?

      • disisdadrum

        Didn’t see where Peter Field stated he/she knew what a typical Grammy show was like. Did you see something I didn’t?

        I noticed in another of your posts, you were ragging on someone for spelling errors and called them illiterate. Yet, you spelled Grammy with a lower case ‘g’ which is flagged by the spell checker on this site. So, are you an illiterate home schooled Christian also? {^_^}

        • rachel441

          Dingbat, I was mocking Peter’s spelling. Get a life and quit following me around the internetz.

          • disisdadrum

            I know you were mocking Peter’s spelling while making your own grammatical errors in the process. I’m not following you around the internet, was merely referring to another of your postings in this same thread Dingbat back at cha!!

  • codeman

    Has she never watched the Grammys? Does she not keep up with today’s popular music and artists? What did she expect? Kind of ignorant if you ask me. Common sense should tell you that you’re going to be exposed to things like that. If you don’t have enough of an open-mind to tolerate other people’s music and tastes, don’t attend. And yes, I am a Christian. but I have common sense.

    • http://www.fromnothingcomics.com/ Steve Crespo

      What occurs on these shows tends to shift from year to year. Sometimes they’re a bit more mild, sometimes… not.

      I’m not a Quentin Tarantino fan- I had seen some of his films before, and knew enough that there would be a fair amount of foul language, and gratuitous violence going into it- but when my wife and I saw “From Dusk ‘Til Dawn” when it came out in the theater, we walked out. …The foulness in that film far exceeded what I was prepared for.

      Ignorant? No. She made a decision in keeping with her moral standard and personal integrity.

      I applaud her.

      • codeman

        I wasn’t invited to the Grammys, yet I knew who was performing and who was nominated. They make announcements with this info. I’m sure she knew. Beyonce does nothing but use her body to gain fame. Most of Katy Perry’s songs talk about sex. The Daft Punk song is about “getting lucky”. Macklemore has a hit song telling people to be proud of who they are, even if you’re gay (which is a great song with a great message). Did she think these artists were going to go on stage and sing “Jesus loves the little children”? Again…common sense.

        • http://www.fromnothingcomics.com/ Steve Crespo

          “Did she think these artists were going to go on stage and sing “Jesus loves the little children”?”

          Do you really think she thought that? Sorry, because you just described a cartoon of a Christian, and not what a mature Christian person is.

          Is she not allowed to decide what is enough for her in any given situation, or must she sit there and take any and all things given by her fellow musicians no matter how base?

          Like I said, there are various levels of un-godly behavior, and many times you just never know to what level the un-godliness will be ’til you get there.

    • al11

      may I point out that nowhere in this article or in the response she put out did any of it say why they left early, or in any way indicate that they were shocked or surprised by anything done by others at the grammys. all it said is that they left early, and her response was kind, not specifying or targeting anyone or anything. she merely says she has some thoughts that she’s keeping to herself and that she’s glad of the choices she’s made in her life. nothing here says to me that they were upset or judgmental.

      • codeman

        Did we read the same article? Can you explain to me what the purpose of bashing all those artists and performances was, if it wasn’t to say why she left early or indicate why they were shocked and surprised by the performances? I’m almost positive that’s what this whole article is about.

        • Observer

          The bashing was done by the writer of the article, not by Ms. Grant.

        • al11

          the article gave a short ‘list’ of the various ‘acts’, and then clearly stated that it is unclear which, if any of them, caused them to leave. there was no ‘bashing’, either in the article or in any way cited as coming from Natalie and her husband. you are the one who has read something into what is published here, codeman. it is clear that my original post is accurate and reflects the facts while your ‘take’ is something of a speculation which then grows into some type of accusation that they don’t have any sense, at best. read the article again, sir, and see if you can find any part of it showing Natalie and her husband to be shocked or making disparaging remarks of any kind. to me, they were all class with reference to the whole thing, and more, completely within their beliefs while simply deciding to disassociate themselves from it all.

    • librarianonloan .

      “Open-mind” and “tolerate” are NOT from the Bible. How much tolerance did Jesus show when He drove the money-changers from His Father’s house (the Temple). Remember, “in the world, but NOT of the world” ?

      Would God have counted you as one of “the righteous” that Lot was asking to save Sodom because of ?

      • codeman

        Would the Jesus who tells us not to judge others be happy that this woman judged others? I get a kick out of Christians who pick and choose which parts of the bible they want to apply to their own lives. And pick and choose how the bible is interpreted so that it doesn’t apply to the negative things they do in life.

        • littlemissy628

          She didn’t like what she was watching…that isn’t judging, it’s called choice. She was naive to think it would be any different than what it was, because the entertainment business is not what it used to be….she said nothing about judging.

          • Kristin Lawrence

            I agree littlemissy628 that she wasn’t judging but making a choice. And why is it that when a christian makes a choice about something we are called being judgmental but when anyone else makes a choice its considered making a choice or having no choice at all. Talk about unfairness.

      • jwilliams1633

        You are correct in saying that Jesus was not a coward, and did stand up, but keep in mind the purpose of the turning over of the tables in the temple. When Jesus got heated, it was typically at the religious leaders who kept people from God, NOT the “sinful” people. That was the debacle in the temple.

    • Leeannm

      I guess maybe because it’s the job you have…entertainment industry…like if you have a “company” function, yes we still go because it’s expected since I was nominated for a sales award, but I know George from accounting is going to drink too much and make a fool of himself and might even moon everyone like he did last year. So she had songs that were nominated and went. Why is that a problem?

      • codeman

        It’s not a problem to me. It shouldn’t be a problem to her, either. Learn some tolerance, or don’t go. There were many artists who were nominated and invited who chose to skip the show. Justin Timberlake, Adele….lots of much bigger artists.

        • Leeannm

          Agreed, she didn’t have to attend. And if I were any of those Christian artists, I would stick with the Dove awards as far as in person attendance. But really, are you entertained by that? Do people have to tolerate that kind of slimy junk? It should be rated R and put on a cable channel.

          • codeman

            Nope. No one HAS to be entertained by it, and no one HAS to tolerate it. Don’t watch it. Don’t attend. The end.

    • Barrustio

      Music is Mowtown ….music is jazz….music is blues….music is country and western…..music is bluegrass…..the grammys was trash

    • Loyal

      “Music” “Common sense” Define both of those terms?

    • Kristin Lawrence

      She attended because she was nominated. Its hard as a christian artist to be nominated at any of those type of shows, so she went to represent God. I feel she represented him well in walking out gracefully without saying anything negative.

  • Phoebe Powell Sutton

    you didn’t understand what happened at the grammy’s?

    • Phoebe Powell Sutton

      I am what I consider to be a reasonably educated Christian…..I certainly understand what happens at the grammys…if you don’t like how the grammy’s operate I would think you would have refused to have attended?

      • Barrustio

        being that it is billed a “music awards” show there should be no expectations on anyone’s part to anticipate a liberal’s dream orgy…. perhaps she was too busy praising the Lord to watch the last grammys

  • KingJulian

    You Jesus freaks are Terrible, how can you believe in something that no one ever seen? The churches have been telling you Jesus is coming back for hundreds of years just to keep you donating to their cause. If that is your choice then go for it, seems to me that religion is for the weak minded…..

    • DetroitSun

      To each their own – your opinion is simply that.

    • Bob Connely

      And you, Julie-baby, are a perfect example of why Jesus Christ taught us to forgive and forget. But just before I forget you, let me send this your way: FOAD.

    • John Ritchie

      That is called faith, “King Julian”. Weak-minded?? That is a term left for those who actually thought there was some form of entertainment or talent on the Grammy’s. That is not music…that is trash. Thank God for people like Natalie Grant.

    • Joe Kennedy

      I don’t see the air I breath – but I believe it’s there … I am not a Jesus Freak – however, as a casual onlooker – it’s a poor attempt to tell someone to prove something, when you can’t disprove the same thing. Example: Dark Matter wasn’t realized until recently – when our computer models proved our laws of physics were basically all wrong and the universe should have flown apart years ago… So now the masters of science say it exists – but you can’t see it … Remember the earth was flat once – because no one had proved otherwise … In any case – have fun with your lively debate.

    • librarianonloan .

      “seems to me”, you say — the Creator says, “There is a way that seems right to man, but the ends thereof are the ways of death”. The Creator says or you say — which should I listen to ??? DUUUHH

    • DaveG

      King Julian, I will pray for you.

    • Leeannm

      The good thing is(unfortunately not good for you) that there will be a day when all of these things the Jesus freaks have been saying will come to pass. Funny that you say “no one has ever seen”. Jesus was a real person and people saw him…just an lol there. No one can deny that we are walking miracles. DNA is a miracle, the earth staying on its course is a miracle. Guess what? We are the product of a miracle worker. Yes, I am a Jesusfreak- would never deny that :) I love my life and I love what I’m doing- I’m alot stronger minded than crazy bimbos out there…lol I love when people say we are weak minded- yall give in to everything under the sun and we have principles and standards we live by- what do athiests have to live by? Yall got whatever morals you may have from us… deny it if you want but most of the 10 commandments are still the law all humans live by.

    • Rebecca Sowder Yandell

      Someday…every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. I pray that you understand the truth. Can you see the air you breath?????

    • Channing Cox

      In a world tempted every single second with sin due to demoralization, the human body slowly becoming degraded, and sexual innuendoes every corner, can you truly say religion is for the weak-minded? Religion is for the strongest of the strong, having to turn away from what is so easy to say “yes” to (for example, watching or participating in some of the performances at the Grammy’s, or even perhaps going back to the VMA’s). In order to follow The Lord and turn away from incredible temptation, it requires a very strong heart as well as a strong mind; but giving in to these very common temptations is very easy to do, therefore, easy for the weak-minded. Taking all of this into consideration, what is needed in this situation is GRACE to realize that we are ALL HUMAN, and ALL of us will fall short of the glory of God, and His plan will prevail. Thank you.

    • jmorrill

      Many, many people have seen Jesus after His resurrection. Not everyone who believes in Jesus actually sees Him but we can hear Him as He speaks to us through The Holy Spirit You don’t believe because you don’t see but blessed are those who believe even though they haven’t seen Him with their eyes. We are the faithful and filled with the Joy of The Lord! :)

      • Katie Sander

        That was actually really beautiful, thank you for sharing it. The world and your faith needs more good people like you.

    • Yomps

      Another stupid liberal.

      • Observer

        I don’t think name-calling is a Christian value.

        • Yomps

          But Jesus freak is okay if you’re a stupid liberal?

          • Observer

            I never said KingJulian’s name calling was okay. He didn’t claim to be a Christian, though. And you’ve shown some very un-Christian like behavior on several of your posts. Why right here, you’ve said “stupid liberal” twice.

        • Yomps

          But Jesus freak is okay huh? I’d guess I’d rather be a Jesus freak than a stupid liberal. Wouldn’t you?

          • Observer

            I haven’t called anyone names – as you continue to do. I don’t think Jesus would approve.

    • Katie Sander

      Generic troll comment. Your blunt approach shows your lack of finesse. You are correct in your tactless assessment, but you didnt need to take a baseball bat to the beehive (so to speak). Its difficult for some people to face reality so they have religion to keep them going. Like peoples varying levels of pain tolerance.

      • Maria B

        “It’s difficult for some people to face reality so they have religion to keep them going”….. Seriously? I find that statement comical.

        • Katie Sander

          Im glad ^_^ What if… and I know you christians aren’t good at playing what if games but WHAT if…. there was no god. How would you feel? Pretty hopeless I imagine. There’s nothing waiting for you once you die but a cold bed in the ground. There really is no judgement for the people who have committed heinous crimes in life. There’s no reward for living your life piously. It certainly hurts me to think there is no punishment for people in the after life. However, the reality I spoke of is not one without god but the soul crushing reality that children are homeless and starving to death without so much as a second glance from others. People torture animals for fun, and humans rape each other just because they can.

          Yes, some people need to believe otherwise reality is just too terrible to deal with. For most, life would hold no meaning. We can’t understand why people need religion because we don’t need it ourselves. You only truly understand what you have experienced first hand.

          If anything im defending you from being called “weak minded” its your choice to combat my attempts.

          • Z0317

            Good point Katie: “the soul crushing reality that children are homeless and starving to death without so much as a second glance from others. People torture animals for fun, and humans rape each other just because they can”
            Exactly – free choice, as we see with shows such as this, live pornagphy for your ‘Entertainment’, just think how many children could have been fed with the millions spent! Following Jesus is far from being weak minded and if more people did we would have a lot less of what you describe.

          • Maria B

            You are absolutely free to believe (or disbelieve) as you wish. And, thank you, but I don’t need defending from you or anyone else from being called “weak minded”. That is only opinion.

            How about YOU play the “what if” game for a minute (you may or may not be awake enough to do that). What if there really is a God/life after death? What if you opened yourself up to the possibility? I do feel that many believing people have a narrow vision of “God” and the afterlife – all the judging, damned to hell if you don’t do this or that, you can’t love this person, my God is the only God, if you are not in church you are not living right, and on and on and on.

            I believe there is most certainly a higher power than us. And I believe there is life after death. I believe THAT life is dictated by how we lived THIS life. I don’t believe in “hell”.

            How anyone can witness the miracle of birth, witness a sunset/sunrise, watch a flesh wound heal, experience a true moment of human compassion, see a seed turn into a flower – a caterpillar turn into a butterfly, experience love, know that out of all the gazillions and gazillions of snowflakes there are no two alike – how can anyone not believe there is a higher power? Yes, there are terrible and sad things that happen. It’s a part of the human condition and those things teach us and make us grow (as painful as it may be).

            Does it not even make you wonder for a second that at the end of our lives (especially tragic ends) that the natural instinct is to cry out to God? I believe there will be a moment in this life where we ALL come to a realization of belief. For some it may not be until death comes.

            And yes, I can see where it would be a terrible, crushing, dooming feeling to believe there is NOTHING. As for me, I cannot possibly believe that. If you want to call that “weak minded” so be it. I wish an awakening for you. ^_^

          • Katie Sander

            You missed the point of the “what if” game. I KNOW you believe there is a god and all that fun jazz; if you didn’t we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now. I too believe in a divine creation just not your version. I also feel like we got off track… *shrugs* It doesn’t matter. I am however going to address your cute “I wish an awakening for you” comment. Thank you for your concern, but I don’t need it from you, or anyone else. Blessed be ^_^

    • Barrustio

      heheh….Thomas also doubted

    • Loyal

      Why are You saying anything then?

      • KingJulian

        I just want you to see it from the other side. You folks push your religion on us over social media and any other forms you can think of. So now its my turn to to show you how we feel!

    • Margo

      I am religious and believe in Jesus–but even if I didn’t, there is no reason for some of that behavior, especially publicized!!! Its just gross!

    • Kristin Lawrence

      Its called FAITH. And we are all allowed to have it whether you believe in God or not. So condemn us and call us “Jesus Freaks” if you want. But in the end my Faith will set me free. Its not weakness to believe in God and its not having religion, its having a relationship with God. I have seen him provide miracles that could not be explained by science or medicine. I know my God is real. I pray one day you will too.

      • KingJulian

        I’m going to have to disagree with you on your ” miracles ” just because we currently don’t understand why certain things happen doesn’t mean god made it happen…. Its just easier to say god did it than admit you don’t know….

  • Empresstkettle

    I am very proud of you for not staying for the rest of the pornography ‘show’. I did not watch this debauchery except for what was on the ‘news’. Will not watch any of these awful Sodom & gamorah programs.

    • rachel441

      Why are the most rabid Christians always borderline illiterate?

      • Leeannm

        Why are liberals looking at this site? MSNBC having a slow day or what?

        • Observer

          What does liberalism have to do with Christianity?

          • Leeannm

            Absolutely NOTHING. Polar opposites.

          • rachel441

            Jesus was all about helping others freely. He was about as liberal as they come.

          • Leeannm

            Haha ok…..

          • Observer

            I beg to differ. I am both a Christian and a liberal. I think you are confusing politics with religion. I know, I know, it’s hard for some people to differentiate between the two these days.

  • Dina Lindemann

    I read no love of Christ in this post. I read judgment and mean-spiritedness. Natalie made a stand in a much more grace-filled way than you have chosen.

    • Leeannm

      Really? I love when people always act like Jesus was limp wristed…remember he walked into the temple and knocked over the money changers tables and slung a whip around….and they were church folks….what do you think he would do with the junk they were doing? Talk about a double standard…

      • Brooke

        Leeannm, I love when people act like Jesus turned his nose up in the face of diversity. Remember when he hung out with lepers and was friends with a prostitute because they were outcast by society? He did not judge and neither should you. What do you think he would do with all of these people spreading hate and intolerance? Talk about a double standard.

        • Tara Snider Leikness

          I don’t think Christ was politely watching any prostitutes while they were working. I believe he forgave penitents and said, “Go and sin no more.” I agree that Christians should behave themselves as such, but I don’t think anyone should feel obligated to stay and watch a show they find morally distasteful.

        • Leeannm

          So which part did he not do? Did he not cast out demons? Or did he “tolerate” them? Hate sin and hate evil. God is not against that. Lepers and prostitutes are not devil worshipping rich people being displayed for everyone to see. I’m “judging” the matter as it is. This is a time when people call what is “right” wrong and what is “wrong” right. And then try to turn that around and say “you’re judging”. YES I am judging, because we have to weigh out what is right and true and what is false and wrong. II Timothy 4:2 “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.” We are to “judge” sin to ensure we don’t also fall into that same fearful place. Romans 16:17-19 “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences
          contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that
          are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words
          and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil”

        • Daniel Crabtree

          @Brooke, yes Jesus did eat with sinners but did not keep company with them while they were committing their sin. At one point, when Jesus was teaching them, the bible said many of them walked away and followed him no more. When the people brought the woman caught in the act of adultery, yes Jesus said “He who hath no sin among you cast the first stone” but he also told the woman “Go and sin no more”.

        • Barrustio

          he would probably tell them to do it his way ….to tell them to sin no more….just like he told the prostitute

      • Joe Kennedy

        It’s an interesting point – however from a logic perspective, as a casual onlooker to the 2 comments I am not quite seeing it… Now I am not a Jesus Freak – but If Jesus did what is written then he was kicking people out of his father’s house. If someone was in my fathers house – Hell I would shoot them. All this woman did was walk out and she didn’t have any snide remarks. So I just don’t think the comparison is accurate from a logic sense… in any case have fun with your debate…

      • Krystal

        Yeah he was disgusted with them because they were hypocritical religious figures using their positions of power for their own gain, not gay people you know, who he never said one word about…unless you consider them brothers and sisters. Then you know exactly what he had to say about them and it wasn’t negative and judgmental. Keep on re-inforcing your own learned, modern-day biases and prejudices to make yourself feel better about you though rather then actually putting others before yourself or just treating them fairly.

        • Leeannm

          Actually the bible does talk about homosexuality-New Testament(over 2000 years ago) not-so-modern-day….Paul was “judging” that to be “vile affections”. Kinda sounds like Phil Robertson’s description of how he saw homosexual behavior…. Rom 1:26-27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And 1 Cor 6: 9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

          • Pat

            Sure, the Bible talks about homosexuality. But in all of the verses you just listed it’s not God saying anything about homosexuality. It’s strictly Paul’s opinion, not from the mouth of God himself, and don’t even try and tell me Paul didn’t have a history of judgement and persecution.

          • Patriot Lady

            Christians were also told to enter a village and if they encountered disbelief to dust their feet off and leave the village. Thanks, Natalie, for dusting your feet off and upholding your beliefs.

      • attica

        We should not judge those who do not know better. Do not assume to think everyone knows Christ! Read your bible!

      • Loyal

        Right! They misquote God’s word, they think Jesus was a pervert loving milk toast. Now they will post how Jesus is Love, Love, love, and You and I are mean.

      • LiveWithTheEndInMind

        what Jesus did was different, cuz he did it in the temple which was a place for God, and for worshipping God, the grammys was not meant to be a place of worshiping God. Also True love and grace isn’t “limp wristed”, honestly I don’t know what Jesus would’ve done, but I don’t think He would’ve been tossin tables, God doesn’t force people to repent and believe, its everyones own choice, people surrender to God when they see His love and how good He is.

  • Stephanie Mills

    Can’t watch that crap anymore…sad to say this country is gone to hell and nothing is too much or too far anymore.

    • Barrustio

      it’s amazing how quickly a country can go down the drain when leadership is complicit

  • Angie Burton- Stafford

    Way to take the high road Ms. Grant! I love the editing post also.

  • http://3d.about.com JustinSlick

    I can see why she walked out.. I too was appalled by the lack of “edginess” in this year’s show.

  • egalicki

    Honor to you for abstaining in situations where many would have folded.

    • rachel441

      What exactly was she under pressure of folding to do? To stand up in her chair and twerk?

      • http://3d.about.com JustinSlick

        For most people it’s an impossible urge to resist. I’m impressed she made it out unscathed.

      • egalicki

        To stay and present the impression she would approve or condone behavior she portends to disapprove at the risk of losing an award some would hold in high esteem.

        • rachel441

          You don’t “lose” a Grammy because you left. Nor do you lose because you don’t go to the show in the first place, which if she had a lick of sense she would have done. I mean come on, last year Nikki Minaj sang “Stupid Hoe” with priests on stage. It was all over the news about how it pi$$ed off the Catholics. She knew what she was attending.

          • egalicki

            Maybe not, but she did relinquish the opportunity to stand in public and acknowledge her appreciation for being recognized for her talent etc. Is it possible that you actually know how much information she had beforehand as to the kind of what a lot of people regard as depravity would be presented?

          • rachel441

            If she owns a television or any kind of internet-connectable device, then yes – she absolutely knew what kind of depravity would be presented. What she relished was the opportunity to get publicity (and money! and sales!) by walking out and making sure everybody knew that she did. There’s a lot of cash to be made by declaring yourself a “Christian” anything. Just because someone sings music or writes books geared toward Christians doesn’t mean they are one. Michael English, Amy Grant, Sandi Patty – just a few off the top of my head who were happy to make millions off of Christians, all while having affairs and being anything but Christian in their private lives.

          • egalicki

            OK I guess I am severely lacking in the ability to see into other peoples’ minds and intents. You are way way ahead of me so I guess I have to give up to superior qualities and capabilities. I was only posting my approval of someone in a situation where there would probably be a lot more in the critical vein such as you. By the way, how many grammy awards have you been nominated to receive?

  • Hillary Hall

    She must have been ignorant to think it would have been different…duh.. yeh I disagree with objectigying womrn….but did really expect sunday school or something..

    • seedykay

      I think they need to think about those they invite since Christian music is part of the awards maybe the people in the show should show some respect. They sure don’t do it any other time.

      • rachel441

        What kind of nonsense is that? So if there are going to be any Christians anywhere everyone else needs to respect that? I have never seen an evangelical Christian respect any other religion or any other belief system. Never.

      • attica

        Why should they show respect? Because she is a Christian? Why must we judge? All y’all like to pick one part of the bible and run with it. There is a bigger picture.

    • Barrustio

      No not Sunday school but it was prime time ….how about something appropriate for family viewing

  • KBW

    I applaud her for leaving if her heart convicted her to do so. However, if she had any idea at all of what the grammys were about, she should have not gone in the first place. By going and leaving it drew negative attention to the Christian cause. The only other thing I would say here is that the discourse in these posts is pretty un-Christian. Let it go, people!

    • seedykay

      No it didn’t. If anything it showed how strong she is in Christ and that she stands by her convictions. There isn’t anything negative about what she did.

      • Loyal

        And she may have not known what they were going to do! I certainly wouldn’t have, has it always been a bunch of perversion?

    • Olive Faith Valsmon

      I find nothing wrong with what she did. Why should she have to stay and watch something she KNOWS the Lord does not approve of? To please people? That is not our purpose as Christians. You said, ” if she had any idea at all of what the grammys were about, she should have not gone in the first place”. To that I say, If people had any idea what true Christians are about, they should not have been surprised at her leaving.

    • Barrustio

      If anything it exalted the Christian cause….much in the way Phil Robertson did …except she said it all without saying a word….there’s nothing negative about walking out on trash

  • sara elkerson

    BOO HOO. Go cry a river.

    • bandit

      Now,now – be a tolerant libtard !

      • Meg

        Oh is “libtard” a word they taught you in church. To lump political positions with physical disorders? Sounds like a great way to really stick it to the devil.

        • bandit

          Physical – hardly , more of a mental disorder suffered by drones ><

  • Cynthia Baker

    being 60, i have seen alot of Grammys & have THOROUGHLY enjoyed them! when did all the awards shows become the JayZ & Beyonce Show? i loved her dress, SHE can pull it off, but i lost alot of respect for them. (i’m sure they wont sleep tonight knowing that…LOL)

  • Caryl Lamb Harm

    YEAH for you Natalie, you shall be blessed greatly for holding your ground and keeping your faith. I was so appalled from the very beginning of the Oscars that I did not watch the garbage they define as entertainment from the 1st few minutes.

    • rachel441

      Well here’s your cookie! Aren’t you just a shining example of self-congratulatory Christianity.

      • Jim Howell

        So she’s not entitled to her opinion like you are?

        • rachel441

          She’s welcome to her opinion, just as I’m free to call her out as a hypocrite. Matthew 6:5.

          • Z0317

            What does Matthew 6:5 have to do with this? I have not heard that Natalie got up on stage and loudly prayed on the show. Leaving a show due to the incredibly disgusting performances is not being a hypocrite.

          • rachel441

            I wasn’t referring to Natalie. I was referring to Ms. Harm, and all the other “Christians” on here trying to outdo one another by loudly proclaiming the depths of their Christianity and sitting in judgement of everyone that doesn’t. Hypocrites, all.

          • ladyruth54

            Rachel you have a lot of hate inside you.

      • Barrustio

        Why wouldn’t one be pround to not contribute to the ratings of a show which is headlined by a pimp and his ho

  • Dan Matchik

    good for natalie

  • Bee Butler.

    Uh, Editor? Get off that pedestal. Apart from all the other incredibly distasteful, bitter, and childish complaints you filed against other artists, you just attempted to bestow a blessing on Natalie that can only be given by God Himself. “Well done, good and faithful servant.” is something that will only be said by the Lord on Judgement Day, which you would know if you spent more time in the word and less time giving YOUR word on things that you clearly find so abhorrent that you shouldn’t even bother concerning yourself with. You make me embarrassed to be a Christian.

    • bandit

      Uh . . . “lest ye be judged ” come to mind !?

      • Bee Butler.

        Take what you want from what I wrote. My point stands.

        • bandit

          As does mine ><

    • tamij

      Bee, I was merely quoting scripture. As the daughter of a pastor and theologian, I know the Bible well and fully understand I am not God.

      I do know that Natalie stood for her convictions, and graciously so. I did not write the article, my writer Jeannie did. I edited, added the song and graphic and formatted. But I agreed with every point.

      Do I make judgements on whether any of those artists know the Lord, or are going to heaven or hell? No. Only the Lord knows the heart. But I was very proud of the quiet courage of Natalie and her hubby.

    • Barrustio

      It is obvious to whom she is being a good and faitful servant…..so there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging she did well. It was also obvious to ALL Christians that the program was sheer debauchery and not worthy of prime time

    • Laura

      Way to Jesus juke the discussion there, Bee.

    • Loyal

      The Bible says they will be know by their fruits, now we know you! “Artists” Have you ever looked up the word?

  • Sharon Beezley

    Amen my sister in Jesus, Amen

  • Brenda

    Natali what a wonderful testimony you are. Our Lord and Savoir looks on you with favor. You are not only beautiful but have a beautiful voice and just as beautiful on the inside. When all these people stand before the Lord they might wish they had took a different road. love you guys

  • Lorie Richman

    If she left for “muslim reasons” or any other religion you people wouldn’t say a word.

    • bandit

      Really . . . ><

    • JB

      Actually, they would be calling for the execution of all the other performenrs for daring to offend her.

    • Mr. Copland

      Disagree, people like you would make sure something got said. You religos always do…

      • disisdadrum

        You can disagree all you like. You know deep down inside, you don’t believe the lie you just told yourself.

        • Mr. Copland

          Uh… what?
          Why do Christians always need to feel persecuted? First off, she spoke in a hyperbolic fashion, bringing up a non-scenario that had nothing to do with the topic. She made assumptions that I think are wrong. I don’t delude myself, kiddo, I leave that to folk like you.
          Beyond that, there isn’t a Muslim music category… nor is there a Hindu music category. It’s not even a Religious music award… it’s Christian music, because that’s who is at the top of the power structure in our nation. She wasn’t unfairly criticized or picked out; she made a statement with her actions and makes TONS of money off of her beliefs, leaving her open to legitimate dissent. Sorry, son, but wake up.

          • disisdadrum

            “Why do Christians always need to feel persecuted?”
            Who said anything about Christians being persecuted?

            “She made assumptions that I think are wrong.”
            Sorry, I believe you are the one making assumptions here.

            ” it’s Christian music, because that’s who is at the top of the power structure in our nation.”
            Sorry yourself son if you think for one minute Christians are at the top of the power structure in our nation. In case you haven’t noticed, the son of satan and his minions from hell are in power at the moment. You should wake up or maybe go back to sleep!!

    • johnny

      lorie, your quick to judge, that’s gods job.

  • rachel441

    Has she been living in a bubble? What kind of acts did she think she was going to see exactly at the Grammys?

    • Sireta Neighbors

      Try googling the Grammys of 20 years ago …. at least the language was such you didn’t mind your kids watching. I saw part of it and I was embarrassed for them.

    • myfordtruck

      something more decent and approbate not all the perverted crap I knew what it was going to be like and made sure not to watch it

      • rachel441

        Again with the illiteracy. All that good Christian homeschooling, no doubt.

        • Andrew Jordan

          Attacking spelling and grammar. Is that all you got? Pathetic.

          • rachel441

            Nope, got plenty more. Keep on scrolling.

          • Andrew Jordan

            Sorry, I have better things to do but I’ll take your word for it.

        • disisdadrum

          Looks like you understood it OK so, whats your problem?

    • Jim Howell

      Filth doesn’t make it right. And no, we don’t live in a bubble.

  • Bill Filipiak

    The Grammys are a celebration of ALL music. To be chosen to represent one genre doesn’t mean you have to agree with the messages of everything presented. As much as I admire her convictions, I find a bit disrespectful to walk out simply because you disagree with what’s being presented. How can we learn from each other and understand each other if we aren’t willing to demonstrate tolerance for those whose beliefs may not coincide with ours. As a father I was equally appalled at some of what I witnessed. But in order to have an educated discussion about it I have to be willing to listen to everyone’s point of view.

    • tracy

      Where in Gods word are we told to tolerate? Thats our problem now. We have stood back and tolerated sin so much that God has taken His hand of blessing off of our country.

      • Barrustio

        Exactly….this type of filth deserves the same type of tolerance that Jesus displayed to the money changers at the temple

        • Mr. Black

          Yeah, and all those whores he whipped!

        • Cutrita Papier

          Yet Jesus spared a prostitute from stoning.

          • Barrustio

            Yes he did…..with the instructions to “go and sin no more”….he wasn’t saying what she did was alright and good and not debauchery…she spared her in spite of herself

      • Jim Howell

        Exactly. 2Cor7:14 Then if my people will humble themselves and pray, and search for me, and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear them from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land.

        • Cutrita Papier

          And Hebrews 10:26 says: “For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, (verse 27) but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.”

          So – in essence, if you have sinned even once since you knew the difference between right and wrong, you have no chance of making it into heaven. I’d be very careful where I cast stones – Jesus said, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

      • Arlo

        We are to cling to what is good and hate what is evil, just as God does.

      • Cutrita Papier

        Where was God’s “hand of blessing” for the native American people who were slain, raped, and enslaved so Europeans could take this land away from them? I’m sorry, but your logic makes no sense. If God was who you say God is, the native American people would have been protected from the “good Christians” you say founded this country on the blood of many innocent people. In essence, what you are saying is that back when the country was founded – and women, people of color, and anyone who wasn’t of European descent were oppressed because they were different or thought of as “lesser” human beings than white men – that God looked on them with favor and blessed them. Maybe you should pick up a history book some time and see just exactly what happened throughout the history of America. It’s not now nor has it ever been prosperous. It has been a complete mess since it’s “founding”.

        • disisdadrum

          “Where was God’s “hand of blessing” for the native American people who
          were slain, raped, and enslaved so Europeans could take this land away
          from them?”

          God’s hand of blessing was in the same place it was in, when the native American people were doing these exact type of things to each other, before the Europeans set foot here {^_^}

          “Maybe you should pick up a history book some time and see just exactly what happened throughout the history of America.”

          Maybe you should put down the history book. Plenty of eye-poppin tidbits either left out or twisted in U.S. history books!! Bet you thought Columbus discovered America eh?

      • rachel441

        Maybe you should join the Taliban. They’re all about not tolerating anyone that doesn’t follow God’s word.

    • http://3d.about.com JustinSlick

      “15 other people are typing…”

      Oh boy, here comes the storm.

    • Olive Faith Valsmon

      What went on at the Grammys had NOTHING to do with music. She was not disrespectful. She was above reproach actually. Besides, have you not thought that what was happening was disrespectful to her (and all) Christians? She left because pleasing the Lord is more important than pleasing people. I for one will now head to buy her CD.

      • tamij

        I could not agree more Olive. Natalie has been very gracious in her response. I know scores of people that either chose not to watch, or turned off the show early on. It was reprehensible to people of Christians.

        • plewis66

          I quit watching it and I don’t have children in the house. I was offended and I don’t have to watch. Too bad we can’t sue those people for their promotion of Satan like they sue us for our promotion of Jesus.

        • Olive Faith Valsmon

          Agreed.I stopped watching these shows a LONG time ago. I only found out because it was on the news and FB. It is only going to get harder for Christians from here on out. I really liked Queen Latifah too. :(

        • talover40

          Christians make up 90% of the people in this country. So most of the people on stage were ALSO christians.

          • Andrew Jordan

            Get your facts straight. Christianity is nowhere near 90% of the people in this country. It might be the unofficial “Relgion” but that’s about it

          • disqus_aiRsA0M0jO

            to call yourself a Christian it does not make you a Christian… it is how you live your life that makes you a Christian.. so what you just said is down right ignorant..

          • Crystal

            So not true…

          • disisdadrum

            “So most of the people on stage were ALSO christians.”

            Hmm…. ever heard tell of Christ performing any of the antics of these folks onstage? Most of the people onstage were ALSO Christians, I think not {^_^}

      • Loyal

        The Bible say to come out from among them (The world)! All the grammy’s are, for the most part, is a bunch of perverts running around and giving each other awards. Same as all the other awards they give each other.

    • Andrea Lalama

      it was not a “show” that was obviously a diabolic presentation, how can be disrespectful avoid diabolic rituals? are you insane?

    • Barrustio

      it’s more disrespectful to assume that America wants this type of filth on prime time for children to view

      • Mr. Black

        Maybe parents should just turn the channel.

        • Barrustio

          perhaps the censors preview acts to determine whether viewing is appropriate for PRIME TIME on syndicated channels…..this was more appropriate for cable tv

          • Mr. Black

            Well, maybe you should do your research beforehand, as this wasn’t exactly an out-of-the-ordinary show.

          • Barrustio

            I wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) expect YOU to understand….there a thing called parenting which one must have had in order to extend.

          • Mr. Black

            So, now you insult my mother because of your failure? Parenting is EXACTLY WHY you should know what you’re watching before you let your kids watch it. You sound like a lazy parent and have absolutely no business speaking towards the parenting skills of anyone else.

          • Barrustio

            I suppose it IS unreasonable to ask for family friendly viewing during “prime time” in light of the takeover of all viewing by sick liberals promoting their agenda….but then…..they were probably also deprived of good parenting I didn’t see a traditional marriage taking place at the Grammys

          • Mr. Black

            There are lots of stations that provide family-friendly viewing during prime time. However, the Grammys haven’t been family-friendly for a long time, nor do I see the need. This is a program about the people who make music. There may be a category or two regarding children’s music, but by and large this is music adults listen to. A lot of today’s popular music has risque subject matter. It would hardly be an accurate depiction of the music industry to put on a G-rated show.

          • Barrustio

            Most reasonable people know that prime time is considered “general viewing” time…..that was the main reason for cable and satellite coming in…..so that perverts could have a station to access for their special perversion while keeping SOME programming palatable for the general public still accessible on syndicated tv

          • Mr. Black

            You are still not understanding, so I’m leaving you to it. Have fun living in your bubble.

    • Laura

      Beyonce & JayZ leaving little to the imagination about their bedroom activities is not music by any stretch of the imagination.

  • Sara F

    I’m sorry how is describing Madonna as ‘menopausal’ newsworthy?

    • Barrustio

      It explains her attention getting behavior

      • What’s the big deal?

        Ummm… nothing about Madonna’s performance on Sunday was “attention-getting”.

        • Barrustio

          I realize nothing about her performance(s) was or have been “attention getting” I was talking about attention getting “behavior” ….as all the things she does for shock value ( mocking the crucifixion, kissing girls ad naseum) just to stay in the limelight a little longer for the benefit of those whose entertainment doesn’t reqiure standards

  • The More You Mo

    Bye!
    Be gone!
    That’s you’re right.

    I loved this years Grammy show. Most of all the people who were united in Love. Better than the hate that a lot of Christians feel like spewing these days.

    • PrettyGirlw5pearls

      It’s your. And a music awards show is NOT the place for agenda pushing.

      • ShadowKat

        Yet the LGBT community used it as a platform to push their agenda. That’s what we call a double standard. Either everyone can voice or demonstrate their opinions or no one can.

      • Arlo

        “NOT the place for agenda pushing.” Yeah, right. Like a gay marriage agenda was not pushed? Like a degeneracy agenda was not pushed? It’s almost as bad as the Democrat convention.

    • Alyson Fort

      Christians do NOT spew hate love! They care about YOUR soul so that when you die one day, you won’t live in eternal hell. Good grief. Is that HATE?? NO!

    • Roz Reed

      Her walking had nothing to do with you. It was all about HER. Just like the people on the stage. It was all about them. All she did was get up and leave.

    • Anderson Gage Hutto

      That’s like saying “the guns that a lot of black people are slinging these days”
      It may be true for some, but it certainly doesn’t justify those words.
      Do not slander the many who have done you no wrong for the sake of the few who have.

  • Randall Hauk

    “Refusing to pass judgment on the debacle. . . ”

    Clearly, she HAD passed judgment. She just decided to be more passive-aggressive about it than the author of this piece is being. Probably not a bad move for sales of her records either. Her base will eat this up like a pile of communion wafers!

    • Della Cook

      Well, I don’t see where choosing not to stay somewhere because I don’t like it, is passing judgement. If you don’t like a resturant, are you gonna stay and eat the food anyway ? or are you gonna go somewhere that is comfortable to you and serves what you like ? This is no different ..She did not like the show, that’s not judging, it just wasn’t her taste in life, so ..she left and went to a more comfortable place. People need to learn the difference in ” Passing Judgment” and just simply not liking something.

      • Randall Hauk

        By definition, liking or disliking something requires some form of judgment. But, for the sake of argument, let’s use whatever dictionary you have on hand where it does not, because the rest is too good to pass up.

        Are you saying this artist went to the Grammys, going through all the trouble it might require to do so (dress, traffic, clearing social calendar, making peace with doing such a thing on god’s day of rest, etc.), with no sense that there was a chance she wouldn’t simply not like it? In fact, that her personality is such that if there is even the earliest hint that she will not like it, she might just scrap the entire evening in the early stages (without judgment, of course!)?

        Or, did she know full well she would not like it and go anyway, at the behest of her publicist (who may deserve a Grammy at this point), knowing she could up and leave and tell people about it, maybe giving her approval numbers a healthy boost via the Christian iTunes top 40 chart?

        As far as me and my restaurant habits, I judge all day long and am completely at peace with it. Place up the road served a cold, overcooked burger and was half-hearted about correcting it? BOOM, I go elsewhere.

        And it’s a judgment. Believe me.

        Among the many reasons I did not attend the Grammys for the 42nd year in a row is because it holds little-to-nothing of interest for me. I don’t care for the sort of act described in the article, nor for artist grandstanding and self-appreciation. I find it all a bit dull and unimaginative. Again, I’m judging. Again, I’m comfortable with judging, because I don’t have a book that tells me judging is bad and requires me to play Bill Clinton-esque word games to dance around when I feel the need to be judgemental in order to be squared with an imaginary friend.

        You don’t see it? Fine. You don’t see Jesus either, but you know he’s there. Should be at lease similar for standard definitions of words from what I assume to be your first language.

        • ladyruth54

          And so nice that you can read minds too! Bravo.

          • Randall Hauk

            I’m not sure whether to express my puzzlement at how you came to that determination in reading what was written, or my embarrassment for you that you think that some thing like a snappy retort.

            Either way. Bravo!

    • Debby

      I saw this saying posted somewhere today and it fits this
      perfectly. When we (Christians) say ANYTHING its judgemental. While the rest (wherever you fit in) express anything its opinion. Why is that?

      • Randall Hauk

        Are you asking why my “opinion” as a “wherever I fit in” is not judge-y, but the opinions of Christians are judge-y?

        I think that’s what your asking, so that’s the question I’ll answer.

        It’s not. All opinions contain at least a shred of judgement. The difference is the guilt you feel over being judgmental and whether it’s enough to convince you that your opinion simply forms out of the either without any of your personal experience, knowledge, or bias figuring into it.

        You started with a false premise. I hope I’ve cleared it up for you, because if your personal defensiveness as a (Christians) is what keeps you from engaging in actual discussion about the topic, rather than attempting to lash out at the one who offers a dissenting opinion, I may have just set you free. Truth will do that.

  • Rick Pruitt

    You all preach tolerance. …… unless it is something that YOU don’t agree with. Why slam someone for standing for what they believe in and live their life for? Natalee – thank you for continuing to live you life for the one who gave His life for us. He said they wouldn’t understand – they don’t.

  • Dorian Edwards Barnovsky

    Her actions were about her personal conviction and her response was classy.

  • Alyson Fort

    It was disgusting! And we wonder why our world is like it is. Come one…somethings have to remain personal.

    • http://3d.about.com JustinSlick

      “…why our world is like it is.”

      Golden. Age. Fallacy.

      • Alyson Fort

        SO you are happy with the way things are JS? Please go have your eyes checked and open them. Our world is a sad place.

        • http://3d.about.com JustinSlick

          A sad place compared to *when*? We have (and continue to make) incredible strides in women’s rights, race and gender equality, health, nutrition, technology, communication. The world isn’t as bad as you want to believe.

          • disqus_aiRsA0M0jO

            you are an idiot.. this world is going garbage and people like you don’t see it.. you need to go put your head back in the sad for you are a fool… womens rights… yea that is why there are still more jobs out there where men get paid more to do the same jobs women do… you need to shut the heck up….

          • http://3d.about.com JustinSlick

            So you’re saying women’s rights were better in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, or 00s? Of course not! You can’t use something as an argument for decline, if there hasn’t actually been an objective decline. I never said we were at perfect gender parity, but we’re certainly closer than we were 50 years ago.

            I’m going to bow out of this thread. It just really bums me out when people go on an on about how the world is trending downward when it really isn’t. There’s an SUV sized laboratory on Mars right now. That’s incredible. If your son or daughter moves to a different country to work (or god forbid, to go to war), you can still talk to them, face to face, from halfway across the planet. Children are growing up with earlier and more access to knowledge and information than any generation ever.

            No things aren’t perfect. Yes there is a huge wealth disparity in most of the world, and believe me… I’m on the wrong end of that one. But you have to take the bad with the good.

        • Guest

          I think you missed it, Alyson. Justin is simply implying that the world has fallen this far because the populace believes that mankind is at its greatest right now and that, by virtue of that flawed paradigm, the people can do no wrong. He’s not expressing contentment; he’s just offering a reason for the rampant depravity.

          • Anderson Gage Hutto

            *Took another look* Nope, I totally missed it. scratch that last comment

        • Audrey Brinkley

          Golden Age Fallacy- The “good ‘ole days” syndrome, in which people will always compare the “horrors” of the present to the, Obviously more virtuous, past. The view of the past is heavily tinged with positive nostalgia, causing the present problems with the world to seem unacceptably worse/perverse when, in fact, the problems are not worse, they are simply different or Finally being addressed at all. Sometimes it’s better to accept, and move on.

          Please don’t jump on someone until you know what the term he or she is using means! Vocabulary! It’s Fun!

  • Larry I’mnovictim Seals

    The grammy’s is supposed to be a music awards program. Some Artists performed their songs on stage. The breakdown began when rap appeared. Standards began to fall.The anything goes standard moved in. Now they have added over the top stage antics with the performer’s nominated song. The integrity of the grammy’s is now in question. BTW you who try to use a piece of Bible scripture to accuse Natalie Grant of being wrong for leaving have no real understanding of scriptures nor christianity. Your agenda is as clear as crystal.

    • anna pajama

      well said Larry

    • Milad Antowan

      you right

    • Kristin Lawrence

      Agreed, I remember on the grammys when the first words said out of some of these artists mouths were, I want to give thanks to God first and foremost” and now they mock him in their shows.

  • drofelkcahs

    Hurray for our side. Sometimes you have to stand up for your principles … and walk out.

  • Stacy Commiekiller Lives

    many drones spewing how great the trashy event was….pathetic

  • slmkenn

    Thank you, Natalie! We need more role models like you who are willing to stand up and stand out against Hollywood’s deliberate corruption of our youth!

    • Jared Prophet

      Hollywood is run by the same corporations that run everything else. They put sex in the products because a) that sells, and b) you get all upset and create more attention for the products which leads to more sales.

      But Hollywood using sex is a distraction. The bank HSBC laundered money for terrorists. BP’s cutting corners caused a huge spill and the clean-up was more PR than action. And there have been at least a dozen massive oil spills since. Some company cutting corners poisoned the water fro most of West Virginia. A Texas refinery blew up people of corporate corner cutting. A Texas oil pipeline blew up. A Texas fracking company has caused 16 earthquakes in 3 weeks.

      Corporations are worse for this country than Terrorists, but by all means, lets get pissed off about boobies and gays.

      • slmkenn

        Good try, Jared … but not good enough. I’m not distracted by your attempts at deflection and blame any more than I was distracted by the boobies and gays. Yes, I agree that Hollywood is run by corporations … owned by subversives with an agenda to destroy this country from the inside and establish the so-called New World Order … with a select and priviliged elite at the helm. The quickest, surest way to achieve it is to destroy the very Christian Judeo principles on which our REPUBLIC was founded. Class/Race/Religion division, decay of morality, destruction of the family … Clive Priven? Anarchist’s Cookbook? Soros? Who knows … there’s a huge boiling pot being tended and stirred. All I know is America is on the menu and there is a growing awareness and refusal to be “served up on a platter.”

  • Cutrita Papier

    Hmmm….

    Here’s your policy for posting – yet, you seem to be allowed to be discourteous in your articles toward whomever you desire to be discourteous to. Religion teaches intolerance. It teaches hate. At least the type of religion that cannot accept others and their own views without passing judgments are. Shame on you. Really. I know you’ll remove this post because you find it “discourteous”…but maybe you need to take a look in the mirror before you decide you’re better than anyone else – and so should this “gospel” singer (glad I forgot her name). The song by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis was beautiful. It talked about spreading love and not hate – but I can see you don’t live by that message. Are you extremist by chance?

    Oh – and take a look at your own posting policy and maybe you should take a look at your sexist comments about Madonna and Queen Latifah and apply your own policy to yourself.

    Have a good day wallowing in your self-glorification. Good luck with that on judgment day, too.

    Your policy:

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    Read more at http://theblacksphere.net/2014/01/christian-grammy-nominee-natalie-grant-walks-grammys/#rTZm1W4I7EXHoI26.99

    • Leslie Anderson Hoffmann

      You have no idea about what a Christian is ! And to speak of Natalie that way is shameful. She said nothing about anyone. I will say I was offended by what they showed at the Grammys no child should have had to see Beyonnce dressed that way half of her privates were visible is there no morals left in this world. It’s all about what you guys want you also have no clue what tolerance is. Because you have none. I’m sure that you should worry more about yourself on Judgment day that worrying about Natalie or the writer of this Blog. Try reading the Bible and understanding scripture and ask God for forgiveness . I’ll continue to pray for you and people like you.

    • Brian H Harris

      This response was probably the snottiest I have read in a few weeks. But I guess that leaves me being judgemental. I have no problem with that. So here are some words of advice. If you are really ticked off that much that you have to repost a posting policy, maybe its time to use Google and search for another blog besides this one. The man posted his thoughts and his opinions on something you thought was “acceptable” whereas he does not. So just as Natalie Grant, you know that “gospel” singer, you are free to walk out. This is America, we all have the right to opinions. Sadly, some out there cannot accept that their lifestyle is not accepted by those of a faith that they do not accept. So when those that cry about not being accepted by those that they themselves do not accept, the discussion is over.

  • Always_RIGHT2

    Thanks for sharing this – I didn’t watch the Grammys and I hadn’t heard about this incident. Good for her! I’ve written scathing posts about how today’s so-called artists are pathetic, untalented, can’t write lyrics, don’t play instruments, most can’t even sing and it’s just computer-generated tricks to make then sound good and in tune on CDs. But even so, many simply substitute talent with stripping, simulating sex acts, rhyming profanities, dressing provacatively – and they’re rewarded not only by the naive public but more surprisingly, they win awards and are touted/applauded for it by the industry. Gimme a break. Mylie Cyrus has less talent than the top 10 girls at every high school in the country. Britney Spears is just as talentless, nothing special. Lady Gaga, Madonna, all of them – they seriously lack talent and merely divert attention to sex gimmicks. They’re all pathetic.

    As for who I do like – Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson – incredible guitarists. Or TSO, combines instrumental prowess with orchestral compositions with a hard rock twist. If I had to rate/comment on other genres… Sarah McLachlan is talented (writes music, plays piano/guitar, sings – not lip synchs, writes lyrics with meaning) and Taylor Swift (though I really only know about 4 of her songs, she always comes across good to me – writes lyrics, plays guitar/piano, sings).

    • Homer

      Trying to remember the name… Did u see the KID playing his guitar on fox (fox and friends i think it was) recently? Maybe 11 years old and incredible..

      found it ;)
      you mentioned Joe Satriani and i thought about that kid in a few years maybe. at 11 he`s dang good..

      • Always_RIGHT2

        Yes, I did. He and his dad went on stage at a concert for a relatively unknown (well, unknown to me!) and he played VH’s Eruption and the band and the crowd went wild. Very talented. I play guitar and piano (neither very well, but enough to understand what it takes to play well and have understanding/appreciation for writing/playing music that is more than the simple chord patterns that many of today’s “pop” stars do as they gyrate and pretend to have anal sex on stage! Granted, some rock bands rely heavily on the “show” aspect and aren’t super super technically great at singing, lyrics, or instruments… but c’mon, Alice Cooper has 35-year career and over 20 albums (he’s also been faithful to his wife of 25+ years and his dad and his wife’s dad are both pastors! I don’t listen to him any more but he’s a good example of someone who is known for theatrics but he still has talent!), KISS, Poison, Motley Crue aren’t of the caliber of Satriani or Johnson – but they’re still pretty decent/talented. I can’t comprehend how no-talent idiots like Justin Beiber and Mylie Cyrus earn millions, tens of millions per year. Lady Gaga – gag me! Madonna – in my opinion has only 2 or 3 good songs in her whole catalog.

    • Homer

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXD0eEn1-1Q

      An 11-year-old guitar prodigy from Nebraska stopped by Fox and Friends this morning to do some live shredding in the studio.
      The world found about Aidan Fisher’s amazing talents after he was invited up on stage at a Steel Panther concert in Kansas City.
      The band’s guitarist, Satchel, actually met Fisher and his dad at a hotel before the sho

      • Always_RIGHT2

        hey THANKS… I actually hadn’t seen it on Fox News… I saw the clip of him on stage at concert. I enjoyed seeing the Fox News clip. Kid can play! And for those non-guitarists out there, that song, VH’s Eruption is a very difficult to play solo. FYI, I can play a portion of it, but nowhere near as good as that kid. I’m 50 and have play playing guitar since I was 20. But not very seriously! Just goofing around.

        • Homer

          Welcome, there is an 8min clip on the tube with him onstage with Steel Panther..

    • athynz1

      Madonna back in the day – ’80′s and 90′s – was quite talented. Now it seems like she is going more for shock than anything else. As for the rest of them I’d say you are right on.

  • Roz Reed

    All the singers now are trying to be like Miley C. Even old Beyonce. She had to act slutty and show her butt.

    • rachel441

      I know, right? She’s always been so conservative and demure up to now.

      • My Oubliette

        Haha, exactly. Miley Cyrus definitely started the trend of over-the-top sexuality in music.

  • Ron Diaz

    I have Natalie on fb. Here is her comments. ” We left the Grammy’s early. I’ve many thoughts about the show tonight, most of which are probably better left inside my head. But I’ll say this:
    I’ve never been more honored to sing about Jesus and for Jesus. And I’ve never been more sure of the path I’ve chosen.”.

    She later went on to say.

    ” I’ve tried to read all of the comments on my previous post but I can’t respond to them all. Most of you have always been so supportive and encouraging to me & I’m grateful. It does sadden me when people argue, judge and hurl insults at each other from both sides of the fence. I’m not going to engage in arguments, but just have a few things I’d like to say:
    I NEVER said I left during any particular performance. I only said I left early.
    I never pointed out any one particular performance, I only said I had many thoughts about the entire show, which were best left inside my head and that is where they will stay. So those who say I condemned one performance but then condoned others clearly did not read the post. What I DID say is this: I am honored to be a part of the Christian music community. I’ve had many people throughout my career ask why I never tried to go in to mainstream music and last night was a beautiful reminder that I love singing about Jesus and FOR Jesus.
    I’ve judged no one. I hate no one. And I believe that every person has been created in the image of God. I will never stand on a street corner and wave a sign, I won’t use my platform to engage in political arguments that will only divide and not unite. I will continue to pray that my life will be my message. I do have my own personal convictions that I live by, and I will continue to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling before the Lord. (Philippians 2:12)
    I was honored to be nominated for 2 Grammy awards last night. I’m so grateful that NARAS and The Grammys continue to recognize the contribution that gospel and Christian music make to the world. And I’m so thrilled for those who won in my categories. And I can say that with all sincerity.
    My last thought:
    “I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus for it is the power of God who brings salvation to ALL who believe.”
    Romans 1:16 ”

    ~ Natalie

  • Melissa Smith

    So not subjecting yourself to behaviors you don’t believe in or support is what ya’ll have an issue with? I don’t support meth addicts so I chose not to associate with them, and if that makes me judgey I’m ok with that. Good for her and her husband not turning a blind eye and just accepting the social norm. Jesus would’ve thrown a chair or two. I will accept my self-righteous behavior because I am human and I am forgiven, but you anti-christian bible-burners are forever stuck in your ego and stagnant hypocrisy, high five.

  • Greene Brian

    “And I’ve never been more sure of the path I’ve chosen.”

    Good. It’s acts like this that help us clearly see the evils in this world and allow us to easily part from them.

    Make no mistake about it: This is evil.

    They will mock us, defame us, defraud us, kill us.

    “As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

    We are not of this world, and they will not know us.

    Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

    And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

    The day is nigh…

    • talover40

      Dude, most of the people in this country are christians, so in other words, the people on stage were ALSO christians.

      • lottie

        Baloney!

      • Southern Xposure

        not sure how you can get there with that premise

      • Bp. David

        Sorry, Tal Over 40, the people on stage were NOT Christians. You are known by your fruit, and their rotten fruit was EVIL. Anyone who stayed for the show were AS EVIL by their endorsement of the filth and perversion.

      • athynz1

        How did you come up with that absurd hypothesis? Most of the people in this country may be christians but that does not mean that most of the people on that stage were christian – otherwise there would not have been this issue.

    • nynature

      Don’t kid yourself. They know what they are doing and they love it. Any chance to mock God and anyone who believes.

  • Amber Cooper

    I for one have never been afraid to walk out of a show or performance, whether it was because I was being offended, felt it was distasteful or just because it was downright boring. Am I am passing a judgement? Yes, in the true sense of the word. I was judging based on what I have seen whether or not I would like to continue to see is being performed for me.

    So when I hear that she walks out of the Grammy’s and I see her explanation, I don’t see it as some passive aggressive political/religious statement against the Grammies, as much as a “I just didn’t like it and I left.”

    And we all have a right to leave a place if we aren’t liking what we see, correct? Isn’t that what everyone says we should do nowadays anyway? “If you don’t like it, then leave!” Well she did just that and now is getting backlash for doing so? Huh. Funny.

    • Andrew Jordan

      Exactly! If she had stayed, then complained afterwards, everyone would be jumping on her saying “You didn’t have to stay” etc etc. The double standard is insane.

      • Bp. David

        Don’t worry about Natalie–just like the Duckster, her fortunes will increase. Now decent people will pass over Beouncy Butt and J. Zero’s albums and go straight to Natalie’s excellent CD’s!

      • Southern Xposure

        touche’

  • Laurin Dykstra

    Gospel music has no business fraternizing in that company. An award from them is nothing compared to the award that will be given later. She doesn’t need approval from the Grammys to realize her work is respected.

    • Bp. David

      With even the Country Music Awards show going into the sewer, I see a great opportunity for the Dove Awards to gain much prestige and respect from decent, moral people, unlike the Obummer crowd.

      • My Oubliette

        I am so sick of those stupid colloquialisms (Obummer, libtard, repukelican, etc.) and have no respect for the people who use them. It’s childish beyond belief.

  • Dave

    I don’t and won’t watch the Grammys and several other “awards” shows. What they produce is not entertainment any more.

    • nynature

      Me neither, its been years. Not worth my time.

    • Southern Xposure

      agree

  • ladonna

    So many mean spirited people in this world. We are turning against each other. My Father’s word says that he hates sin not the sinner. Just like us parents some kids need tough love and if that means not partaking of t hi ins that don’t please our father than so be it. Thank you Natalie I am sure our Father is smiling down on you….;)

  • Victoria Scott

    you will be crucified for doing this but so what! you stood your ground!

  • Clifton Means

    I just think it was silly to go in the first place….what did you expect at the granny’s???

    • Andrew Jordan

      Honestly probably not what was shown. These type of performances I could see on a second rate awards show such as the VMA’s etc but no the Grammy’s ya know?

  • Allen B

    The show was supposedly a music awards show, but turned out to be an “in your face” agenda push! A wedding? A song that was tasteless and absurd! There were a few high notes, but the mindless agenda push was over the top! If I had a ticket, I would have walked out, and I am not a Christian singer! And Chippie, she has more talent in her pinky, than you will have in your lifetime. Oh, but you already have realized that. LOL

  • old_salty_dawg99

    At least they left which shows they have more class than the entire Grammy show did.

  • diak0n0s

    Thank you Lord for this Sister, and for her Testimony.

  • vonheise

    I heard a guy say that he and his family sat down in front of the TV planning to watch the Grammys, but then Beyoncé appeared and they put a family movie on instead. What was once perversion is now called entertainment!

    • Tracie Houk

      My daughter did the same thing. ET played up the Grammys for weeks it seems like and she was anxious to watch-she turned it off.

    • rhonan

      Thank reason for progress! I’m one of those people your crowd used to burn at the stake, so I’m glad superstition has less power over society every year.

  • nynature

    The says of cultured entertainers with class are over. Today, what we
    see are people trying to get a WOW response from their vile and
    discusting behavior and passing it off as “entertainment” Turn it off,
    don’t watch their shows, and don’t buy their music. It won’t be long
    before they are yesterday’s news. In the past couple of years we have
    seen the occult belief and its influence shine through.

    • rhonan

      You do know that the old fashioned culture our parents enjoyed was considered corrupt and oversexualized by their grand parents, right? I know my father insisted for year that the Beatles marked the decline and fall of Western Culture. he ended up a fan before he died.

    • Brandon Johns

      Rhonan here is a communist. She is radical of the worst kind. Just nevermind her.

  • MoreULessMe

    Well said, Natalie. I applaud you for walking out and for being a light amidst such darkness.

  • LF

    And once again, poor old Jesus has been misrepresented… Jesus would have been on the stage partaking in the party, as he accepts all. So misrepresented every single day!

    • rtgrandma

      Jesus would not have done anything that would glorify or worship Satan or sin. He would have loved everyone there but not for a minute would he have participated in things of darkness. If he had told of living water and go and sin no more, he would most likely have been kicked out and hated just as he was when he cured the demon possessed girl and men lost their livelihood.

      • LF

        “Go and sin no more” was a throw-away line by Jesus, because he knew, as you do, that man “can’t” sin no more. Grace does not require sinlessness. In fact, it requires nothing. That is why it is Grace.

    • Anderson Gage Hutto

      I dunno. I think this would’ve been more of a ‘flip tables and chase people out’ sort of scenario. Jesus calls people to repentance. A patient has the right to deny treatment. Even Jesus will not save those who deny Him in their hearts.

    • Southern Xposure

      Doubtful. Jesus by definition does not support ungodly behavior. He DOES, however, reach out, and will not forsake the repentant sinner.

    • foreverinchrist

      I think your statement is foolish. You tell me, what do you think Jesus would have accomplished in that place? Nothing! He would have rebuke everything they were doing. The good part for them was that He was not there. Had he been there, it would have been just like Sodom and Gomorrah.

      • mememe

        They all would have stopped what they were doing.

    • rimma

      Jesus is not poor or old. And He would not approve of the behavior modern secular music portrays. For HE is NOT of this world.

    • http://www.aprilmaclean.com/ April MacLean

      What is your basis for that statement?

    • athynz1

      No He would not have been partaking in the party. He would have denounced the sin itself while loving the sinner.

  • Rachel Berg

    I’m just going to say that people have gotten too freakin’ sensitive about…well…everything. Anything anyone does ever will offend someone else. If you don’t like something don’t participate in it. Don’t like gays? Don’t have homo-erotic sex. Don’t like rap? Don’t listen to it. Don’t like the Grammy’s? Don’t watch it. It’s really quite simple. I don’t understand why people choose to live in such a negative manner. Fill your life with the things you like, don’t waste it on the things you hate.

    • disqus_DmHZ3EKXD3

      Sex is for the bedroom, between consenting people…..not on stage, where people may not wish to participate… She didn’t like watching a married couple have sex on stage, for their satisfaction only, SO THEY LEFT… what you advised that they do, a the end of your comment but said they were too sensitive about everything at the beginning.. pfft

      • Rachel Berg

        I agree that she should have left. I don’t believe I said I disagreed with her actions at all. I do believe that Americans, as a general statement, are overly-sensitive to a plethora of issues. You can choose to harp on these sensitivities until the day you die, or you can be happy with what you have and do what you truly enjoy. If harping on mundane topics is what you truly enjoy, then by all means, go for it.

      • AnotherRandy

        I didn’t see anyone having sex on stage. Must have happened during the commercial break.

    • Maelstrom_Vortex

      You seem to believe that setting back and letting the world go to hell is a viable option. While at the same time advocating for the changes you want. Why should we be silent while your mouth still runs? Perhaps if they weren’t throwing the controversy in people’s faces.. it wouldn’t be controversial.

      • Catherine Mammana

        Amen to that.

  • Bp. David

    Natalie is as much a class act as her mom, Amy Grant. God bless her and Bernie for their courage.

    • Terri Giordano Brown

      Natalie and Amy are not related.

    • nancyinheels

      FYI: Natalie Grant and Amy Grant are not related.

    • rachel441

      Hahaha, yeah it takes courage to be a Christian singer. Especially when you’re running around on your husband with other married men.

      • athynz1

        Is she running around on her husband with other men? Is there any proof and if so could you post a link? Thanks.

  • KnownDonorDad

    It wasn’t all bad: congratulations to all of the happy newlyweds!

    • foreverinchrist

      What newlyweds? God had nothing to do with that at all. God is holy and he demands holiness. The fact is, the only marriage that God honors is a marriage between a man and a woman.(Gen.2:21-24). He does not honor homosexual behavior or approve of it. So you see it is obvious that that was the work of satan and not God.

      • KnownDonorDad

        The couples that were legally married in a civil ceremony in the state of California, of course! They were right on stage, you couldn’t miss ‘em.

        • foreverinchrist

          Legally married by who, the state? If you know anything about marriage unless God puts them together they are not married. They just got papers that allow them to fornicate. Unless it is ordain of God there is no marriage.

          • KnownDonorDad

            Actually, ministers act as agents of the state when they perform marriages. It’s a legal contract that can be (but does not have to be) sanctified in a religious ceremony.

          • foreverinchrist

            No actually we are agents of the Kingdom of God not the state. No minister of God is licensed by the state to perform any marriage ceremony. The State recognizes our credentials based on our charter within that state.

          • KnownDonorDad

            The state recognizes your authority to act as its agent in officiating the ceremony.

  • hangman57

    I can’t blame her for leaving ,I would not have attended if I knew a bunch of Homosexuals was getting married to ruin the Grammy’s .

  • edro3111

    I’m no Bible thumper by any means but I really admire that couple’s decision to walk out! God Bless ‘em! We all have heard what happened on stage and it was the entertainment industry at it’s pinnacle of bad!

  • cp

    Amy Grant is not Natalie’s mom!

  • Always_RIGHT2

    I saw Billy Ray Cyrus talking about his pathetic, clueless, nearly talentless slutty daughter and he actually said “she’s an artist expressing herself” – yeah, Billy, I just vomited in my toilet, am I an “artist expressing myself” too? C’mon, your comment is as stupid as if I were to point out the different colors and textures in my puke and pretend that it’s art. Mylie and many of these other pop stars today are just so low in talent, it’s ridiculous.

    • clr1390

      Duck Dynasty????? A made up show. Please. Follow your own moral values.

      • athynz1

        And Miley Cyrus is not a made up “artist”? And I’m not seeing any reference to Duck Dynasty anywhere – perhaps that is your way of trying to stick it to the conservatives? If so it’s pretty lame.

  • Val69

    Jesus would frown on the way the author and Natalie behaved. He was against ‘slut shaming” and accepted and loved everyone – even whores. someone who sings about Mary Magdelne should be more aware of that fact.

    • Elizabeth Cook

      SInce this article was not WRITTEN on behalf of Natalie Grant, and only posted a comment that she made~~which was well written and kind, you can not take her to task for it. I do however agree that the WRITER of the article was not expressing Love and kindness and needs to rethink how they want to get the point across.

      As for me, I am happy to have missed the debacle that has been portrayed as a family event. I do not need to see or hear of it and will be happy to not watch it in the future.

    • athynz1

      The writer yes but Ms. Grant took the high road and was not judgmental but simply took her leave. So I seriously doubt Jesus would find much fault in Ms Grant’s actions. The writer on the other hand yes.

    • Michael Rice

      That is the most idiotic thing I have ever read.

      He loved everyone but did not “accept” them as you indicate. If everyone was “accepted” no matter what, there would be no need for a hell.

      Loving someone does not equal acceptance of their behavior.

      We are to seek out evil and rebuke it, not accept it.

      Not only that, but you are hypocritical. Why would he accept what went on, but not someone leaving?

      Under your way, you can’t tell anyone for they are wrong for anything.

      To think you believe Jesus would be upset at a Christian for leaving a show that featured twerking and simulated sex, as well as bordering Satanic acts, shows just how lost and ignorant you are.

      It makes you worse than those who undertook the actions being talked about. Accepting behavior is the same as doing it.

      Remember when Jesus talked about the thought being as bad as the sin?

      It is the same thing. You want the world to accept debauchery and do it in the name of Christ.

      You are worse than the worst, you are the wolf in sheep’s clothing, the “lukewarm” Christian that Jesus warned against.

  • mchicha

    The snide tone of this article is hardly an advertisement for the goodness and love of christians. “ample derriere” “menopausal Madonna”? It is one thing to condemn the behavior–this commentary is rude rather than edifying.

    • Holly S.

      I agree. Not very Christian to be ripping into another person with “name calling”. The article read as childish, not as a document describing the events. Attack behavior, sure, but the person? By the way, the Grammys disgust me anymore. Haven’t watched in years.

      • mchicha

        I don’t think I have ever watched the Grammy’s; If I have it obviously didn’t make much of an impression.

      • Michael Rice

        Without the person there is no behavior. Madonna has been anti religion for a long time.

        I don’t think calling someone’s behind ample is a bad thing, especailly when she flaunts it as such.

        • Holly S.

          When you punish a child, are you punishing the child or the behavior? The behavior. That’s my point above. Criticizing their act during the Grammys I get, but because you don’t like what they do they are all of the sudden menopausal? Then to compare the Grammys as to going to church, come on!! It’s an absurd comparison. It’s like going to a strip joint and expecting good food with a family atmosphere. Her agent could have simply declined politely for her absence due to a previous engagement instead of subjecting her to what the author is portraying as the worst evening of her life.

  • Maelstrom_Vortex

    Advocating someone commit suicide on the internet.. and engaging in bullying behavior in an attempt to elicit that act. I’m fairly certain there’s a federal crime in here somewhere.

  • Jon

    Well, now that they know where their comfort levels are as artists, next time they just won’t go hopefully? Because between the article itself, and this “open minded” comments section making self expression seem evil because it was different or sexualised, this is all slowly looking like out to be a very needless unsolicited cry for attention to be frank.

    But since some of you believe and are throwing around brimstoney factoids like judgement day and invisible mythologies, I’ll leave you non-sheltered well informed crowd: do not judge, lest ye be judged.

    • Happy Camper

      “it was different or sexualised”

      More like crass and classless.

    • Michael Rice

      Maybe, the Grammy’s should do away with the Gospel type categories, then.

      Open minded? Like your view of her and anyone who thought this was bad?

      Like the response to a guy saying I love everyone but I think homosexuality is wrong?

      Are you open to the idea you might be wrong? No, then what are you?

      I have every right to express my views, too. I guess, you think that only works for people on the other side.

      Since you seem to be able to toss around judgement I will leave you with a lesson.

      I don’t simulate sex on stage. I don’t walk around with non Christian symbols on my chest. I don’t twerk…Judge away.

      The whole point of that verse, if you care to actually investigate for yourself is to not judge hypocritically.

      If are a murderer, don’t judge murderers and child molesters

      Under you idiotic theory, no one could sit in judgement of anyone for anything. You can not judge a child molester or a rapist..Is that what you think God wants?

      Let me guess, you are going to whine about those things hurt people so it is okay to judge. Well, genius, that isn’t what you quoted. It said nothing about judging those who hurt.

      By the way….God clearly condemns that type of behavior that took place last night. It is not I who am judging. I am restating God’s judgement.

      You know that part about seeking out evil and rebuking it? I guess you missed that part.

      Judge away on me, sir. I sin, but I don’t flaunt it like it is okay. When I do sin I repent, I don’t promote it on tv. I ask for forgiveness, I don’t mock God. I have my weaknesses and I am flawed. However, I ask God to help me work on those problems every day. I don’t cry about this is just how I am and you all are prudes and can’t judge this that and I can have my opinion but you can’t, blah, blah….blah.

      • Jon

        https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/1609633_755037257840588_147941156_n.jpg

        Or as you would probably read it as “blah blah blah”..(nice by the way, you took so much time to try and pretend I’m ignorant only to almost comically turn the tables, it’s a fun feature that I’ve noticed ignorant and ultra conservative seeming people tend to exhibit on a frequent basis, ala damning homosexuals while having closeted gay sex moreso than most openly gay people do..).

  • Southern Xposure

    Society has reached the point of failing to recognize the importance of spiritual nourishment. As C.S. Lewis points out, would we drink milk, or just any thing a cow excretes? Most know the difference when it comes to physical nourishment to sustain the body. We have very little sense when it comes to nourishing the soul.

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      Exactly what is “spiritual nourishment”? Can you define that in such a way which does not already presuppose specific religious beliefs? And what is your evidence for the existence of a soul? Mind you, I think the existence of a soul is possible, but I do not presuppose that in my argumentation.

      • Leeannm

        Ok, if I could say something that has “spiritual nourishment” without specifying a religion…..I’m going to give it a shot….things that warm your heart, make you feel loved and make you smile and/or laugh without ill intent, sarcasm, sexual connotations or vain ambition/pride…not sure if that is a good explanation….but you’re missing the light that brings the real nourishment. I’m sorry that you reject the one that made you- He said you were “fearfully and wonderfully made”, if you have children you know what that means… I am so stinkin happy in my life…you need the Holy Ghost- joy unspeakable, full of glory, like rivers of living water. I know that will go over like a lead balloon, but just had to throw that out there :)

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          I don’t have any evidence that anyone “made” me outside of the rather scientific explanation of gamete union of sperm and egg. The things that you describe are emotional. I’m actually not adverse to the idea of an existence of a God, but without sufficient evidence, the two concepts of God’s existence, and man’s interaction with the universe, must be kept somewhat separated in light of intellectual integrity. I used to be a rather devout Christian in fact (of the Reformed Baptist persuasion) so I can appreciate what you are saying. And if you are happy in your beliefs and have no desire for others to suffer for not sharing your beliefs (at least in this life) then you and I will not have much to fight about. Each person has the right to their own beliefs, conscience, and pursuit of happiness, within the larger context of the applicable laws of society and general guidelines of varied benevolence to others.

  • chellethesouthernbelle

    hmmmmm

  • disqus_W0CR0j07Yx

    LOL @ people falling for obvious shock value. OmG ThE OcCulT HaS InVaDeD 666 HaiL saTAN

    • Tyla Sosa Hager

      In case you were not aware, it was on during prime-time and hailed as a “family” event.

  • Right of passage

    Todays pop culture is totally classless. Its nothing but millionaire strippers, thugs and Obamabots. Once their all gone the country will heal.

    • AnotherRandy

      So people who voted for Obama can’t be Christians? Nice judgemental attitude.

      • Tiffany Palen-Edwards

        Not voted for but still blindly follow him…

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          I don’t know anyone with a triple-digit IQ who blindly follows Obama. Would you please point out these people to us? They could teach us how to save a lot of effort consumed by observing events and thinking about them.

          • Michael Rice

            Anyone with a triple digit IQ who voted for him would classify.

            I wonder what Jamie “Our Lord and Savior” Foxx’s IQ is?

          • Tiffany Palen-Edwards

            There’s thousands just here in Baltimore. I know of some that have spoken of following Obama even if the country burns to the ground. Yes, they actually say things like this and it’s pretty scary!

      • Michael Rice

        Anyone who votes for someone who supports abortion and is an out and out racist, not to mention opening hostile to Christian, is not a Christian. it’s not hard to figure out..

        • AnotherRandy

          Using your logic, anyone who votes to marginalize those who cannot afford to have access to healthcare or make a living is not a Christian. Christ said we would always have the poor among us.

          • Leeannm

            You’re stretching that scripture reference. Judas said the woman anointing Jesus’ feet was “wasting” the expensive ointment that could have been sold to feed the poor. Jesus told him to essentially pipe down, the poor will be here, but I won’t be and said that woman’s act of worship would be mentioned forever…Jesus was not saying “yes you’re right, let’s go sell this ointment and feed a poor person”.

          • AnotherRandy

            Context drives meaning. Jesus is quoting from Duet 15.11; to get the full context, read Duet 15.7-11 but I doubt you will. Bottom line is this: While the eternal destination is not unimportant, our temporal responsibility is to care for both the spiritual AND physical needs of those less fortunate.

        • disisdadrum

          You most def get an AMEN on that!!

    • clr1390

      They said the same thing about Elvis and the Beatles. Obama has nothing to do with it. Just hypocrite Christians who are the reason the church pews are losing people sitting in them.

      • Greene Brian

        Agreed.

        Churches are full of pastors preaching self-help and feel-good. They have lost their saltiness, and are good for nothing but to be trampled. Jesus warned them of this danger.

        Jesus proclaimed Himself to be God, the Almighty, and Biblical history documented many miracles that He performed.

        Which of these “hypocrite Christians” lived the Perfect life and died on a cross to save you?

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      Yeah, I hear ya about the Obamabots. I’ve listened to several of them, and not once did they even make halfway-reference to the Bible. It was nothing but facts, Supreme Court rulings, and scholarly studies. The most boring people you’d ever want to have a debate with, unless you’re seriously into politics or economics.

    • rhonan

      You do know that your comment shows a bit of racial insensativity, don’t you? Oh, yeah, people who say Obamabot usually don’t have a clue about racial sensitivity, and I’m betting your response will include a mention of all the black friends you have.

  • tacticalnuke

    oh noes, Jay-Z and Bey have teh hott sexxors! While married! lulz.

  • foreverinchrist

    Its good to know that their are real Christians out there. You can tell the difference between the fakes and those who are real. Jesus made it clear, My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me. (Jn.10:27).

    • Maelstrom_Vortex

      Followed him right out of the Grammys.

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        You know, Bertrand Russell said there was not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence, and I guess that goes for music too.

        • Greene Brian

          You seem surprised that that God came to earth and didn’t heap praise on mankind.
          You do not know God.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Oh, come on. I agree with you. I am not surprised in the least that God did not heap praise upon mankind when he last visited. I mean, after all, I live here and know this place better than he does.

  • Becky

    Whoa, harsh much?

  • rhonan

    I’m always amazed at the colossal prudishness and arrogance of the superstitious. Then again, when someone lets the myths created by iron age nomadic herders rule their life, they can’t be expected to be civilized by any modern standard.

    • Tyla Sosa Hager

      Do you really think the behavior on display at the Grammy’s was “civilized”?

      • Desiree Seifert

        It was down right satanic, every year it becomes more and more blatant and in you’re face!

        • rhonan

          Just a reminder Desiree, if you reply to any of my comments, you are offering your eternal soul to Satan for the privilege, for I have baptized you with the blood of the Black Goat of a 1,000 Young.

          Please note: The above statement has as much power as all the prayers of every Christian who has ever lived. In other words, no power at all.

          • Greene Brian

            Oh my…
            You have just completely shattered my faith in the Almighty…

          • rhonan

            I’m always amazed when Christians think atheists are trying to “convert” them. We don’t. We don’t want anyone in our club who isn’t intelligent enough to use basic reason on their own. I’m only here to laugh at you and counter the BS that is being spewed here by the superstitious.

          • Brandon Johns

            People who claim to be more intelligent and better than other people are usually the biggest idiots around. You Rhonan are no exception. You sound like that petulant, bratty child you see on the playground who acts like they are better than everybody else.

          • rhonan

            Naw, you folks in the American Taliban are usually bigger fools.

          • Brandon Johns

            American Taliban? boy you wingnuts are just…I don’t know. I don’t think there is a word to describe people like you other than irrational, hateful, conceited, stuck-up. Basically everything you accuse us of being.

      • rhonan

        Yes, i do. The arts are the highest achievement of civilization. I especially loved Katy Perry’s performance of Dark Horse. I especially loved how it alluded to the Christian genocide against indigenous European religions. I’m always amazed when Christians try to claim the Renaissance as a Christian contribution to civilization, without mentioning the Renaissance was a product of a weakening of the power of the Church over secular life, and most of the greatest artists of the Renaissance may have worked for the Church or wealthy clerics, but most were not strong believers, and many were gay.

        • Michael Rice

          Twerking is “art”?

          Yeah, Christians committed genocide, just like many other countries, religions and non religious groups. Just like they are being hit with in the middle east, right now.

          Many were gay (your claims) or wealthy and your point is?

        • Brandon Johns

          Communist(all atheistic)governments murdered more people than any type of government in the history of the world. They also suppressed the arts in their country. The leader of North Korea demands that all art in the country celebrates only him.

        • Greene Brian

          You said: “The arts are the highest achievement of civilization.”
          You speak as though civilization is the greatest achievement of mankind…
          Shame, really. When given so much resource as an intelligent race, so far ahead of the next most intelligent animal…the “arts’ – as you put it – is our greatest achievement.
          So much capacity to feed the needy, end conflict, raise populations out of poverty into equality, heal the sick, cause the blind to see and the lame to walk..all those things that you mocked the Christ for doing…
          You consider none of those great achievements. Instead, you make the statement that you did.
          I don’t need to judge you. History will do that.

          • rhonan

            I don’t mock the Christian myth for the acts of compassion Jesus was said to have performed. They are its only redeeming quality. I mock viciously those who claim to follow him and yet think it is fine people in this country go hungry or homeless while we spend as much on war as rest of the entire world combined. I have found from experience that artists are usually more compassionate than Bible thumpers.

          • Brandon Johns

            Actually christians are much more charitable than you atheists.

    • Happy Camper

      I am equally amazed that some posters have such a strong need to condemn other’s beliefs…all the while expecting their’s to be heard and accepted.

      That show wasn’t civilized, not by a long shot. It was just another attempt at out doing the last show by stooping lower.

      Even people who don’t have religious beliefs were put off by that crap.

      • rhonan

        I condemn your belief because it is as intelligent as believing that 2+2=5. It is as intelligent as people who actually believe in and worship H. P. Lovecraft’s created deities like Cthulhu, Hastur, and Yog Sothoth.

        • Happy Camper

          Sure you do.

        • Brandon Johns

          Those who claim to be so intelligent like you do are often the biggest fools.

          • rhonan

            I can’t be a fool, I don’t believe in imaginary friends, and I haven’t voted for a Republican in years.

          • Brandon Johns

            No, you just believe this world came out of nothing and that communism can work. You are a HUGE fool!!

          • rhonan

            I don’t believe our world came out of nothing. Science has known for quite a while that our solar systems coalesced out of a spinning disk of hot gasses. It’s pretty basic science. Then again, you’re clearly so ignorant that you think that anyone who is not a right-winger is a communist. Hate to burst your bubble, but Communism, Socialism, and Social Democracy are three different things.

          • Brandon Johns

            Yey, this world, it’s intelligence, people and their functions all came out of hot gases. That makes sense.

            Socialism is the stepping stone to communism. Any idiot knows that. And who are you to talk to anyone about what they think when you think anyone not a left winger is a fascist.

            BTW, you said you support socialism, not a social democracy. You are a communist.

          • rhonan

            We don’t know yet how the first life-forms appeared. There is some new research that points to it being an inevitable result if you subject the right combinations of chemicals to heat and other energy for a long enough period of time. Long in as at least 100,000 years. Still, once the simplest life-forms appeared, the science is well settled that mutation and natural selection will lead to more complex life-forms over time. Simple high school biology.

            I referred to you as a right-winger because your comments on this and other articles through Disqus show you are far enough to the right wing of the Republican party that the term fits. I also never claimed to be anything but a Socialist. I’m not a communist because I do not buy into Marx’s belief in party control, nor the dictatorship of the proletariat. I also do not believe in the abolition of property, just its regulation and a system that promotes a more equitable distribution through fair wages and a robust public sector. Communism fails precisely because it abolishes property, instead of regulating it so as to channel people’s natural desires so that they prosper with their community, not at its expense.

          • Brandon Johns

            And what started all of that? I mean come on.

            BTW, I am not a Republican, I am a Libertarian. But thanks for making assumptions and dictating to me what I am.

            BTW do you support democracy or a dictatorship?

          • rhonan

            That explains things. While there are Republicans who are not fascists, any right-winger who calls himself a Libertarian usually is. Oh, most certainly democracy, with the only limits on the franchise being that the person must be an adult, and not have been found to have a mental illness that prevents rational thought.

          • Brandon Johns

            Under your misguided judgement they are fascists. But whatever, I am done with you. Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. BYE!

    • Holly Crawford

      It’s interesting to me that some individuals who disdain the judgmental nature of religious institutions, resort to demeaning and name calling on a regular basis. I understand feeling that beliefs are absurd, or archaic, but many people, religious or not, have sets of principles that don’t always match others. I guess we all follow some sort of nomadic herder at some point in our lives, huh? Whether that be a higher power, or the thought that calling anyone ignorant doesn’t make us so.

      • rhonan

        Christians who try to repress culture and the arts are a plague upon the human race. They are no better than a nest of rats infected with Bubonic Plague. There are no higher powers, and anyone who lets any leader, real or imaginary, replace their own human reason, logic, and compassion, is not worthy of respect.

        • Brandon Johns

          Oh you know there are no higher powers for a fact? After all the world did come out of nothing, right? You do know that communist governments(like you want here in America) suppressed the arts as well right?

        • Holly Crawford

          Yes, I agree, repression is not a tool of progression. I’m not a fan. However, saying that one hands over their compassion (thus usurping it?) to a higher power, and then also calling people with certain beliefs “rats infected with Bubonic Plague”, is not inspiring me to subscribe to your brand of compassion. In fact, that type of language and imagery was used against people groups, by some of the most hateful people who have ever lived. But before you think I’m comparing you to them, please note: I’m not. I think you are most likely above such men and women in how you choose to treat others. So be careful what you label others whom you disagree with. Sometimes, it associates you with others that in no way resemble who you truly are. Whom I don’t know. Because this is the internet, and I’m typing this to you while freezing under a blanket, and not talking with you face to face. So, I guess you could take every word of this response
          with a grain of salt. Be well rhonan.

    • Michael Rice

      RIght, not wanting simulated sex on prime time tv is prudish. Meanwhile, mention you feel homosexuality is a sin, but we should love everyone and all hell breaks lose..all coming from those supposed civil sex simulators..

    • Bill Smith

      When missionaries go into uncivilized tribes, the people stop killing each other, stop using drugs, stay married, wear clothes, and generally prosper. I see the opposite behaviors forming in the lives of those who reject God. Funny how America got to be the best civilization ever by being largely Christian and God-fearing.

    • DocWatson

      2 Corinthians 11:3 – But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

  • aperson

    I respect Grant’s following her beliefs and leaving, but this article is ridiculously horrible. Why would the writer call Madonna “menopausal.” Insulting someone based on their age and gender is just pathetic.

    • Desiree Seifert

      Because she is menopausal, over the hill Illuminati puppet and tool, YOU are the one who needs to get you’re head out of you’re ass and do some research on the Illuminati and the satanic rituals they are doing right in front of you’re ignorant face!!!!

      • AnotherRandy

        The Illuminati? Watch much Glenn Beck?

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        Really? Wow. I have been missing it. And that’s pretty bad, because I’m Satan’s PR guy. I will regrettably have to inform him of the failure of our advertising campaign.

      • aperson

        Wow, where to begin… Well, starting simple, check you usage of the word “you’re.” Also, the Illumnati does not exist anymore. They are not satanic or against God or anything of that sort. They were a group of reasonable people with positive goals in science and society who hid from persecution. Also, I was not supporting the actions of the stars who performed; I was merely stating that the writer of this article was extremely disrespectful.

        • Spooky Mistwallow

          Definitely second that “extremely disrespectful.” Apparently a lot of people here think believing in God gives them the divine right to bash others in the face of religion and righteousness. How Christian…

      • DocWatson

        Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

  • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

    What I find offensive as an ex-Christian, is how so many fundamentalist Christians today here in the USA wish to impose their standards of morality and decency and even what should be allowed into science from outside (Creationism, and its big brother in the Witness Protection Program, ID) and what should be censored after two hundred plus years of evidential confirmation (Evolutionary Theory). They then complain when resisted that they are suffering persecution and risk martyrdom when energetic disagreement invariably arises from those who have no love for subservience and marginalization under theocratic regimes and feel duty bound not only to express their opinion but come to the defense of those who cannot in the face of such true oppression. Don’t get me wrong, I fully support First Amendment rights, but being free to speak and believe what you want does not grant you freedom from criticism, scrutiny and rebuttal.

    • DB

      Vile, low moral behavior during prime hours when children may view these antics is not, or should not be, acceptable. Christian or not.

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        Sure. But if you are depending solely upon an almost 2,000 year old book for the source of authoritative standards concerning morality, then perhaps your reasoning would find benefit in being updated to modernity.

        • Andy Holman

          That over 2000 year old book is the highest grossing book in history, it sells more each year than any other book today. and the FACT that there have been efforts to destroy its voice for century’s is a good implication that it is TRUTH and it will never fade away. Glad we don’t use your doctrine to lead us in our lives!!!

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Argument ad populum. A common logical fallacy. Look it up.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            BTW, I don’t have any doctrine. Except when I leave food on my desk at work and go to the bathroom. My doctrine says “touch it and you will DIE!”. So far, I have had no transgressors, possibly due to fear. And the Bible taught me, that if you cannot get people to love you, then fear is an acceptable substitute.

          • Chantal

            God still loves you.

          • Tanner

            Their are countless other doctrines that have yet to be disproved. They must be truth then!

        • Greene Brian

          Ah, the Progressive in action.
          Who is your god, Byron?
          One of two answers to that question has to be true:
          1. God Almighty, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, or
          2. your belly

          The story of Creation and the Fall and the Saviour will live long after your bones have returned back to the dust from whence they came.
          I guarantee it.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Ah, the amusing ignorance of those who suppose that I require a god (and to worship such a god) in order to live a normal life. But you’re right, the story of the Creation and Fall and the Saviour will long outlast my life because it is literature. And after all, as someone once said, mythologies are just religions no one believes in any more. Perhaps one day Christianity will be recognized as not substantially different from previous mythological beliefs in its verifiability, evidence for its claims, and emotional-based reasoning.

      • Tanner

        Oh think of the children! I’m sure the second they saw Beyonce they just immediately dropped all essence of their childhood and went right on the street to have sex with the first thing they saw. That one 5 minute performance completely undid years of their parents teaching. Such a shame,

    • Michael Rice

      I don’t wish to impose my morality on anyone. You must have me confused with secularists who want to ban “hate speech”, sure Christian businesses that won’t serve homosexual and force churches to host gay weddings, while outlawing the mere mention of GO din schools, in any context.

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        Private belief has always been, is, and should always remain free. But why is god/s/ess/es relevant to learning science, math, and technology which is used out in the world to actually prosper humanity?

    • Bill Smith

      Everybody knows that God created the universe, even you!

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        Really? Then why didn’t he bother to tell anyone? Did he expect us to just deduce this from the available evidence? Oh wait…

    • Leeannm

      Wow- ok, 1st, applause for using alot of really big words…I understand MOST of them lol… but I guess we fundamentalists will be the only ones to condemn murder, rape, stealing, cheating, lying….etc, when the athiests are running things. Where does your sense of what is right and moral come from? Where will it come from if there are no “good men” standing for those morals? Should we keep quiet while those who believe our stance on injustices and indecency are just rules from the “theocratic regimes”? The 10 commandments made people to know what is right and good. Whether you agree or not, you believe in God’s law. So to all the athiests out there, you’re welcome :)

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        Hmmmm. Why do you require a god in order to be a decent, compassionate and loving person? Where does YOUR morality come from, if not from fear and guilt taught to you by the Christian religion? LOL.

  • AnotherRandy

    The article is written in a “us vs. them” and the comments are just as bad. Guess what, Jesus ate with tax collectors, prostitutes, and those deemed unworthy.

    • DB

      I doubt they performed near porn for him at dinner, however.

      • AnotherRandy

        Your comment really isn’t the issue. Do try to stay focused.

    • Barrustio

      You must go to the sinners in order to save them those reborn already know his goodness

    • Michael Rice

      And he didn’t just gloss over their behavior, either.

      • AnotherRandy

        And He certainly didn’t walk out in a huff and tell the disciples.

    • athynz1

      I could deal with eating with prostitutes and those deemed unworthy but I draw the line at tax collectors…

    • Greene Brian

      But he never stood by and watched the local whores twerking either…

      • AnotherRandy

        So you think they said, “Oh no. The super religious guy with crazy ideas is here. We’d better watch ourselves.”

  • USGOP

    Natalie is a great singer but come on it’s the Grammy’s..a S-E-C-U-L-A-R event..with the lowest of the low attending..you knew that there would be raunchy stuff going on in there.

    • Michael Rice

      Then they shouldn’t have a Christian singer category.

      As well, excusing it because it is a secular event is silly. That doesn’t make it any less repugnant.

      • USGOP

        It was a trick from her enemy to get her there. Excusing?? I wasn’t excusing anything (frankly it’s not my place to judge her) but I promise you that you would not find any of this type of repulsive behavior going on at a Christian event of any sort…..maybe she should have reconsidered.

  • Country Lady

    I think anyone with any moral sense at all, Christian or non-Christian, would have thought what went on was beyond the pale.

  • Jamie Sterbonic Brannon

    Sometimes the Holy Spirit which LIVES within you just cannot stand or take a certain level of evil. This is why Mandisa, who won the Christian award, celebrated from her bedroom watching the Grammys from her computer.

  • Me Wise Magic

    Christian Prophet Kim Clement prophesied that Katy Perry would become a world wide singing sensation at a church when she was only 9 years old. Katy’s parents are both born-again Christians but Katy was overcome by the evils of Hollywood and the music industry.

    Kim Clement Website
    http://kimclement.com/

    • AnotherRandy

      You mean the “prophet” who thinks it’s acceptable (this is quoting him) that “prophets can have a low percentage of accuracy not needing to be 100% correct.” Certainly not what the Bible teaches.

  • Maybelline

    I would love to play Cards Against Humanity with everyone on this comments page.

    • AnotherRandy

      Yes!!!! Let’s go have unprotected sex…

      • Micheleh

        Dude, I think you are literally playing from a different deck.

        • AnotherRandy

          Or figuratively.

          • Micheleh

            Incomprehensibly.

  • Chelsea Williams

    I don’t understand why unbelievers can judge Christians but don’t want Christians judging other’s behavior. I don’t judge someone’s salvation, only God knows their heart….but I sure will judge their vile behavior.

    • Tanner

      Because many times Christians pass laws where their morality is forced on everyone else. It hardly ever happens the other way around.

      • Kurt Erickson

        Who passes laws?

        • Tanner

          Well for hundreds of the years the church and church minded thinking that if the laws didn’t come straight from the bible than God would destroy the nation, completely ignoring the fact that their are just as many people who don’t abide by their texts and want to live their lives as they see fit.

          • athynz1

            Actually there is such a thing as separation of church and state and there was this separation at the founding of this country – specifically spelled out. Yes the Constitution is based on some things in the Bible but we were also given – by that self same document – the right to freedom of religion.

          • Tanner

            There is no explicit law that states separation of church and state. It was an idea proposed and written about by Thomas Jefferson in a letter, but it’s never actually specifically stated in the Constitution. It was widely meant to calm fears of the government interfering with the church, not the other way around.

          • Micheleh

            The First Amendment:

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

            “Establishment of religion” means the establishment of a state religion that all citizens and residents would be forced to belong to or live by.

            So sorry, there totally is. American citizens are free to practice whatever religion they wish — or no religion, if they wish — and there is nothing the government can do about it.

          • Tanner

            They are, but that still does not stop Christian morality from being imposed on others unwillingly through law.

          • athynz1

            And yet we still have it.

      • Michael Rice

        Wrong….please name any law that has been passed based solely on Christian morality. Please, not the word SOLELY.

        There are plenty of anti Christian rules, laws, agendas, etc being advanced.

        IRS, Bible being banned from schools, Christians being forced to serve people homosexuals….

        • DocWatson

          I for one refuse to be served homosexuals. No Christian I know would agree to serve people homosexuals for whatever reason.

          • athynz1

            Although I hear they are good with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

        • Tanner

          Ah, you misinterpreted. Secular laws are passed, but none that are ever forced on you. The few that are, I don’t agree with. However, many Christian laws are passed with the intent that everyone must follow them, whether they agree with the morality of it or not and they simply do not care and cry persecution if people dare disagree.

      • Greene Brian

        So who is your god, Tanner?

        • Tanner

          Is that relevant to the discussion?

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Why stop at having one god? Who can pass up some of the package deals going on lately? My favorite so far is Pikkiwoki who promises his followers a pig and as many coconuts as you can carry. He was kind of dumb. The smartest gods know not to promise anything you actually have to produce while the believer is actually alive. Much better to promise a heaven or two in the afterlife.

      • Howard Rosenstein

        Tanner, are you mentally imbalanced? Our government, and most Democrats pass new regulations, laws and rules each day, almost each minute, that are morally repugnant. Fool, have you ever heard of ObamaCare? This wrongheaded desire to control the lives of American citizens forces religious groups to discard their beliefs of life at conception. Don’t forget the laws these political hack posers create that completely disregard G-ds natural laws of free choice. G-d forbid if Christians promote laws based on the Ten Commandments. Do you and the other miscreants as Jay-Z, Beyonce, Katie Perry and Madonna realize a vast majority of adults (I emphasize adults) are center right and find their behavior abhorrent. Such immature behavior these so-called artists exhibit is just that, exhibitionism. The willingness of these morons to publicly broadcast their super sexual libido is embarrassing to many of us and indicative of the decline of America.

        • Micheleh

          Nice godly Christian name-calling, there.

        • Tanner

          I do not agree with the majority of Obamacare. However, it’s great that you believe life begins at conception! Therefore, don’t do anything that goes against that, you have the choice not to, but don’t force it on others who would benefit from it. And how does their “exhibitionism” personally affect you? If it’s so embarrassing, don’t watch it. Maybe you should take a moment to sit down and discuss why you find it so personally embarrassing and why you have this strange concept that it personally leads to the decline of America when their are countries much better off right now with far more lax views on sexuality.

      • Barrustio

        WHAT??? Same sex marriage is not being forced on us …..abortion is not being forced on us….where have you been?

        • Tanner

          Are you and other Christians being forced to have abortions and marriages involving someone of the same sex?

  • Melissa Robinson

    Although I do not agree with what happened at the Gammy’s, I don’t think it is right to judge others. Only God has the authority to judge, our job is to love.

    • Michael Rice

      That is idiotic.

      Does God say that type of behavior is wrong? yes, consult your Bible and see it for yourself.

      If I say it is wrong I am applying judgement cast by God.

      under your philosophy nothing would be off limits, becaue only God could judge it.

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      I appreciate and agree with your opinion, but that contradicts Christ’s own teaching in Matthew 7 when read in context concerning judging.

    • Hannah Minteer

      Galatians 6:1, I Corinthians 5, Matthew 18. Why would God give us the Bible with it’s rules, regulations, and guides to Christian living and not want us to tell others what is right and wrong. I am not the one who said sexual immorality and witchcraft are wrong, God is. By the way, letting people go to hell is not love!

    • rmiller

      please think about what you are saying…. God has final authority… we judge all the time, whether or not it is within our “right”… you saying you dont “judge” a rapist, a child porn dude, a racist… come on, we judge when something is not comfortable or right within our worldview of life… if that worldview is biblical, there is LOTS to judge in our world!

    • Greene Brian

      If you truly love, you will judge. You will rebuke your fellow man for his evil and lead him to salvation.
      If you are not willing to risk alienating him, you do not love him.
      He is destined for eternity in a lake of unquenched fire. Your burning desire should be to lead him to one who can save him from that.

  • Michelle Reames

    Everything, ever, has two sides, and chances are everyone will have something to say to either support this side or criticize the other side. All I want to say is there is a choice to make between love and hate. I have an opinion on today’s pop culture and society as a whole, but instead of demeaning what’s wrong (which I’ll say, there’s plenty I don’t agree with), I want to choose to have compassion and to love even who I disagree with. I hate seeing comments that make ANYONE feel unworthy by any standards. That’s not how we’re called to act.

    • Michael Rice

      Wrong…..God called on his followers to seek out evil and rebuke. You can have compassion and love someone while still pointing how something they do is wrong,.In fact, it’s the love and concern that calls you to point it out.

      • Michelle Reames

        Okay, I couldn’t get what I was thinking out in the right words. I understand what you’re saying and that’s true.

        I don’t like the rude comments that, if they were directed toward me, would probably make me cry. I can’t even say I watched the Grammy’s; but from what I’m hearing took place, I’d conclude that they were probably very immoral and “wrong” – but what I was trying to say is it’s not my place to say anything about that; no matter what, we’re called to love everybody.

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        God’s heavenly PR department has been very successful in propagandizing the Divine One as a loving God and Heavenly Father. But fortunately, all you have to do is read the Scriptures for yourself to see exactly what kind of person God actually is. Most enlightening. Everyone does not realize exactly how much is at stake and that they risk eternal consequences by not subscribing to God’s favorites club.

      • Greene Brian

        Not just that, my friend. Until people see their evil, unworthy condition before a Holy god, who stands ready and just to judge against His perfect law…they’ve no reason to embrace a savior.

      • Barrustio

        What all these worshippers of debauchery don’t realize is….LIFE ENDS…..whatever beauty they see in Beyonce will be short lived and in the end, IF she lives long enough to not go the way of Whitney she will age and be unwanted in spite of all her money.

  • Tanner

    God you are all such absolutely boring people with such absolutely boring standards. If the Grammy’s last night were too much for you then it becomes quite evident you don’t get out of your house much. And from reading the comments, when did you all take classes to objectively state what does and doesn’t constitute as talent nowadays? It’s kinda sad how bitter some of you are when I thought it was love that was supposed to be preached.

    • Michael Rice

      Boring standards because we don’t want to see simulated sex and butt cheeks bouncing. Well, color me boring then.

      I would turn that around and say what simple minded people who find that stuff entertaining are.

      I can state, objectively, what is talent and what is not because that is my opinion. Just like you have an opinion n our boring standards.

      Not bitter at all. Still wondering what objecting to something like this has to do with preaching love.

      • Tanner

        I didn’t even find it entertaining. I was bored by it as well. That’s how much of a non-issue the content of the show was that you are all up in arms about.

      • Greene Brian

        ‘simple minded people who find that stuff entertaining are.’
        I think you just met one there, Michael.

    • Kurt Erickson

      How is a gay wedding about music?

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        How dare those gay humanoids pretend to be people at an event where human creativity and artistic achievement are celebrated?!?!

        • Kurt Erickson

          celebrating music does mean celebrating marriage of any kind…Or did i miss that category?

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Are you kidding me? So heterosexual love and marriage are never celebrated in song???

        • Barrustio

          Creativity??? If I had known when I started in music 54 years ago that all it took to become a millionaire is to recite vulgarity without any melodic phrases to it and pump my “wife” (ho) in public, I would be rich

      • Tanner

        Well the fact that the song was named Same Love, it was all part of the positive message and the performance piece.

        • Kurt Erickson

          right… marriage is just a performance piece?? how sad…

          • Tanner

            Marriage is what you want it to be. They took a stand for what they believe is right and they used the opportunity to show that their love is on equal footing with everyone else’s.

    • Hannah Minteer

      What part of that is love? You know nothing about love. Love does not puff itself up or rejoice in iniquity. And yes I have taken classes on what talent and music are. I hope the Lord eventually opens your eyes and helps you get over your bitterness. And yes, I do have fun, and no those people are not having fun. What they are doing is to fill an empty void in their lives that can only be filled with Jesus. They won’t get it with their entertainment. I also hope that they will eventually know God’s love along with you.

      • Tanner

        I also hope you realize that one day that everyone is not like you. They are filling up no such empty holes. Their relationship with their respective deity is their personal knowledge, not yours. You really have no right to tell me I don’t know love. That is God’s call to make, not yours.

    • Howard Rosenstein

      We don’t have to leave the house. These miscreants are doing a fine job of helping in the decline of America. They don’t need my help. I wonder, are you involved in the degradation of our values and principles? Would you applaud in prideful manner if you watched your children shake their butts, almost nude and exhibiting their sexual libido to the world. I would hide in shame if these so-called entertainers were related to me.

      • Tanner

        If my children were of age, they can make their own life choices, whether I applauded it or not. But that doesn’t matter anyway. Those people on television are NOT related to you and their actions do not influence you or really much anything no matter how much importance you want to place upon them.

  • Micheleh

    Whatever happened to “Judge not lest you be judged?”

    • Kurt Erickson

      Who did she judge? she left after seeing what she did not agree with that is not judging it is not watching what you dont want to see. I dont like Leno so does that mean i judge him…. no ….

      • Micheleh

        I wasn’t talking about her.

        • Kurt Erickson

          Sorry then… my mistake

    • Andrew F

      That verse is probably taken out of context more often than any other verse in the Bible these days.
      It does not mean, “Hey, don’t discourage sinful behavior” It means do not live a double standard. Christians cannot point out sin in someone elses life while ignoring the sin in their own lives.
      If Jesus truly meant, don’t ever point out sin, he wouldn’t have told the countless people he interacted with, “Go and sin no more.”
      True, he didn’t condemn the adulterous woman, but he told her to stop being adulterous.

    • Greene Brian

      Finish that passage:

      “2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

      3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”

      Scripture doesn’t tell us not to make judgements. Instead, it warns us not to make unjust judgement, that the same (harsh) measures that you judge will be required of you as well to the same degree.

      • Micheleh

        Indeed. So who among the “godly” is calling out the author of this article for her name-calling and making stuff up?

    • Andy Holman

      that’s what you say when you disagree with a christian view. Know what your saying….. God also says in the Bible to judge!! Obviously when parents raised some of these folks they didn’t instruct them or “judge” them enough.

    • Myrtle Linder

      Judge not, that ye be not judged, for with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you.
      Taken out of contest it makes no sense whatsoever.

  • Spooky Mistwallow

    Maybe the author of this article should follow Natalie’s lead. She apparently left quietly and followed with tact and class by refusing to pass judgement or insult anyone. “Posting Policy We have no tolerance for comments containing violence, racism, vulgarity, profanity, all caps, or discourteous behavior.” Yet its ok for the article itself to be sexist, insulting and discourteous toward others? I’m sorry but Madonna has more than earned her right to be on a stage at a music awards show, menopausal or otherwise. Really… Disgusting.

    • Greene Brian

      Madonna has lived her life on a world stage and sold out everything to stay in that spotlight. She has earned the reward that fits the evil she has sown.

      • Barrustio

        Just wonder if she will be one of the ones on youtube under people in hell….interesting viewing

    • Tiffany Darnel

      Quit trying to justify your cultural revivalism by drawing false points that don’t even exist. If you don’t agree with this website, don’t visit it. Troll somewhere where people actually care.

      • Spooky Mistwallow

        great “I dont like what you have to say so go away” attitude. It was supposed to be a news story. News is generally unbiased facts. There are many people in this world who are unable to just be positive. They feel the only way to lift someone one up is by putting everyone else down. I am not a fan of Beyonce. I actually think Madonna is a very talented person with a rather unglorified past but then I’m not writing a news report, am I? And if I was I think perhaps I would report the news and not feel the need to judge everyone involved by my own standards.

    • john conley

      she was just quoting the bible not passing judgment.u would probably do good to pick it up and read it sometime ,..not judging u just saying …….

      • Spooky Mistwallow

        I actually think there are a few “Christians” in this discussion who would benefit from reading the Bible. Maybe they would be a little more accepting, as Jesus was, and a little nicer. I’ve read the Bible more than once. I’m sorry but I didnt see any Bible quotes in the article pertaining to insulting a performer for being a middle-aged female.

    • Barrustio

      Madonna is on her last leg…not that she was ever on her first one ….she is just another Cher to be pitied

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        Yeah, her first sin was having sex appeal. Her second sin was using it. Her third was being remembered for it. And the list goes on…

        • Barrustio

          She had sex appeal? heheh That she used her perceived sex appeal there’s no doubt ….all hos do that. Madonna remembered….Even Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston are already forgotten

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Yes, brother, are we not glad we were born males so that we can look down upon women in general as the inferior sex, and view female sexuality in very base and crude terms because after all, the best females are subservient and restricted to tending to their husband’s property and kids, being his most highly valued possession and most loyal of servants. Christianity taught me this. And I truly hate women, just as you do, for tempting me to lust after them constantly when precious Jesus said that this was a sin….somewhere….in the Gospels, I think.

          • Barrustio

            You may hate women but don’t lump me in with you as I would never condemn a woman for her natural sexuality. The abuse of one’s own body on the other hand is certainly offensive, as the human body is a temple to be respected,loved and nurtured….I could never encourage my WIFE to debase herself as jz did beyonce….flaunting all the body parts meant for one man in the bedroom and then accuse the conservatives of a “war on women”….that’s just laughable that anyone would swallow that. I can see him offering her up at an orgy.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Oh yes, women. I just hate the things. Spend a lot of time watching them in private in various states of undress, and abusing myself afterward. God forbid a woman be comfortable in her own skin, her own sexuality, and her own self-worth as a human being. For the Bible tells me so. LMAO. We can blame this whole thing on that uppity Eve not being properly subservient, obedient, and servicing to her own lord and husband Adam, eh?

          • Barrustio

            There is only one Lord and it’s not Adam. But beyonce and “self-worth”? Not synonomous

    • Spooky Mistwallow

      My comment has actually nothing to do with Madonna.

  • foreverinchrist

    The last days are upon us as we are witnessing what is going on around the world. The Bible is clear: Realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. (2Tim.3:1-4). This is how depraved we are as a Nation before God.

    • AnotherRandy

      The so called, “last days” have been happening since Christ ascended so…

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        Jesus ascended? Last I heard Jesus died, was buried, and the tomb came up empty, at least that’s how the Gospel of Mark historically ended at 16:8. Did they put his corpse on a rocket and fire it up into the sky? I guess if so, it probably landed somewhere in Palestine. Probably scared entire flocks of sheep when it landed. Wow.

        • AnotherRandy

          You might want to check Luke 14.46-53; Acts 1.1-3, 8-11; Mark 16.19-20; John 14.2-6 and others.

        • Jimmy-Jenn Heath

          Mark 16:19 “So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
          Luke 24:51 “And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.”

        • wfmcfp

          He then appeared to many persons… You refer to Biblical recordings but must have missed this. Byroniac, you challenge others…but not yourself…

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            And none of those recollections agree with each other in the most critical details…

        • MiniZorg

          Do you enjoy being a crank? Hope those kids keep the ball off your lawn….

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            You probably wouldn’t believe how many religious apologists of various competing theologies I’ve frightened away, possibly without even knowing it. ;)

      • foreverinchrist

        Obviously you don’t believe what Scripture has said. So let me remind you friend. Knowing this first that in the “last days” mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, WHERE IS THE PROMISE OF HIS COMING? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continue just as it was from the beginning of Creation. For when they maintain this, it escapes their “NOTICE” that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of the water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of “UNGODLY MEN”. But do not let this one fact escape your “NOTICE”, beloved, THAT WITH THE LORD ONE DAY IS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS, AND A THOUSAND YEARS IS LIKE ONE DAY. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient towards you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. The day of the Lord will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all things thing’s are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you be in holy conduct and godliness.(2 Peter.3:3-11 NASB)

    • Greene Brian

      Even so, Lord Jesus…come quickly.

      • Dirk Durka

        That’s what she said.

      • foreverinchrist

        Amen!

    • DocWatson

      So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

  • trippleb

    Have never been a fan of the grannies but not surprised by what took place. We are definitely seeing a all out push from Satan to spread more evil then ever thru Hollywood which should be renamed unholywood.

    • Kathy Wells

      Please don’t insult grandmothers. Still calling it Grammy’s and stating your view is sufficient enough.

    • Spooky Mistwallow

      My Granny is awesome.

  • Sandie Crandell White

    Her opinion is honorable. But, referring to Katy Perry’s music/dress-up session as a satantic ritual or witchcraft? Come on… Stick with the facts or you’ll lose people…there are plenty of christian adults who have the ‘ritual’ of sitting their children on a bearded, fat guys lap (who wears a red suit) every year and no one goes crazy… #walkawayfromthetv

    • Helena Starke

      Spoken like a true loonie liberal !! If your speaking of Natalie’s opinion , she wasn’t the one who said that !! And what the he&& does Santa Claus have to do with this conversation ?????

    • Katie Slater

      One is fake, and one is in the bible, heavily against it. Plus, my parents never taught me to believe in Santa.

      Not that I thought Katy Perry’s performance was satanic and evil. But making witchcraft seem innocent is VERY dangerous.

      • Dirk Durka

        I like how you just said that one is fake, and the other is fake. Very clever.

  • Bill Smith

    Loving Jesus means hating the ways of the world. Not hating people, but there are times when evil can get gratuitous and a person just has to leave.

  • rmiller

    there were MANY reasons the wondrous, powerful, talented Roman Empire fell (was destroyed) from the apex of its influence upon the world… banal sexual behavior by the masses and wishful thinking that humans actually run the universe by their own mental justification of anything are high on the list of culprits… now, THAT’S really…. disgusting

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      Wow, do you have authors, especially historians, whose works you can cite to support those assertions? That would make for interesting reading.

      • LibertyDwells

        You are unfamiliar with the corruption, deviancy and degeneracy: political, moral, social, financial that defined the decline of the Roman Empire? Impressive ignorance.

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          I guess so! Thanks for correcting me. I just assumed that the problems of societies had root causes which needed to be properly analyzed for effective solutions. But it never occurred to me that simply observing societal problems and lamenting their presence is more effective in producing solutions. Has anyone tried your way yet?

          • LibertyDwells

            Ahh, so you don’t really have a point and you don’t really know what the topic is but you had to say something and figured you could cover your ass with bad sarcasm. Once again the interwebz delivers comedy gold.

  • Rovangoma

    I salute you Natalie Grant… The fear of God is certainly lacking in the world today. But we should not be surprised; the Bible prophesies that it shall be so in the last days.

    • DocWatson

      Genesis 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife’s sake.

  • pattig12

    Good for them , that whole act was well planned to send a message to those of us that are of a Biblical life style. Stopped watching that junk a long time ago. God bless and pray for America!

  • Pre4ch3r

    She didn’t leave because of this. The writer of this article took it upon him/her self to make this up. She left early and according to her Facebook it was for no other reason than to leave. Had nothing to do with anything else. Do some research before you post or believe everything you see on the internet.

    • John W

      Saying she left early for no other reason than to leave is false. She said on her facebook account that she “had many thoughts about the entire show, which were best left inside my head and that is where they will stay”.

  • bob

    Please. You knew what the other songs contained as source material, and you went anyway. False outrage.

    • jr12304

      What a load of crap Bob. You don’t have to turn a musical awards show into a spectacle like that for it to be entertaining, or make it a political platform for that matter.

  • TLC

    I think the more important question is why is this overtly sexualized behavior on a prime time TV show allowed. I mean come on. I don’t want my kids watching that stuff! What has happened to the moral compass and common decency in our society. I’m sure the founders of this program are rolling over in their graves. Sad…very sad!

    • Micheleh

      If you don’t want your kids watching it don’t let them. Put on a DVD or something instead. It’s not compulsory.

      • TLC

        You are right Micheleh. I would not let my kids watch it if I had known the content. Of course it’s not compulsory, that’s what remotes are for. That’s not the point. Where do you draw the line? In 5-10 yrs will it be soft porn or porn allowed on prime time? Where are our standards for TV programming? It’s the moral decay in our society as a whole and what is deemed acceptable.

        • Micheleh

          I’m not the one to ask. I gave up watching TV years ago.

          • jr12304

            Gave up watching tv.. but not trolling the internet obviously lol

          • Micheleh

            Keeps me off the streets. ;)

          • TLC

            Those were rhetorical questions, but thanks for your honesty. When you have children your perspective will probably change. :) Giving up TV…very wise!

          • Micheleh

            I have a child, but thanks. I gave up TV because it was boring, not for any ideological reasons.

          • TLC

            That’s awesome! Whatever the reason. It’s a win-win for your child.

          • Micheleh

            Oh, she watches TV sometimes but not very much.

  • bob

    Like going to a Rambo movie and being shocked…SHOCKED…at the violence.

    • jr12304

      How is that the same at all? Why on Earth would she imagine going to a music awards ceremony would become a political statement for same sex marriage?

      • Dirk Durka

        I dunno, maybe she’s watched the Grammy’s before..

  • Dwightmannn

    Smart, talented, ethical, religious, and drop dead gorgeous. . . IMHO

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      I have to admit, I share that opinion, and actually care about all but one of those adjectives.

  • John W

    Why would she go to the award show at all, nominated or not? Isn’t pride one of the 7 deadly sins?

    • mdy616

      Why do you think it is pride? She was being given an award for being recognized as the best in her field. I am sure she was not prepared for the debauchery that would go on at the ceremony; I certainly did not think it would go as far as it did. I guess you would believe Olympians should bot stand on the podium to be recognized for being the best in their sport? One can be proud of their accomplishment but yet be humble about it.

      • John W

        If she calls herself a christian, sings about christianity and professes christianity, then yes, going to an awards show to possibly accept an award is in my opinion, on the prideful side. An olympian who gets an award is also prideful. But an olympian does not base his/her career on christianity. Being humble? Fine. I accept that.

        • Thomas R

          I don’t know. I actually get what you’re saying, but refusing to show up when nominated for an award could be an unkindness. If a person wants to honor you is it really that prideful to just say “I thank you for your kindness, whether I feel I deserve it or not” or something? (If you want it to be more religious you could say “I accept this, but everything I have comes due to Christ who should be praised and not me.”)

          There is a risk accepting awards will inflame pride, but if you’re talented sometimes people are going to praise or honor you and I’m not sure if running from all that is the best strategy. It can feel like it would be, but if you’re an entertainer especially I think it could make it look like a form of pride itself. That you think other Christian musicians aren’t as pure as you are, for going, or that you’re “too good” for awards shows.

          • John W

            Good point.

        • Whiterice425

          Going to accept an award is not prideful. She was invited to the grammy’s. In most cultures rejecting an invitation is a sign of disrespect. Just because an award is a sign of talent and is usually a symbol of pride does not mean it is being used as such. We do not know what is in her heart and if she was accepting it out of pride or out of humbleness for god, I do know she is a very talented person who does deserve awards. And so what if she was? Even if she calls herself a christian does not mean she is perfect. Only one person who walked the earth was perfect and that was jesus christ. We all fall short of the glory of god. Christianity isnt about looking or being perfect. It’s about believing christ died for our sins and our relationship with our father in heaven. And also in reality there is no such thing as the 7 deadly sins… that’s just folklore… i guess you can call it.

    • AnotherRandy

      Unless you’re Catholic, the seven deadly sins really don’t apply to you…

    • jr12304

      What a moronic comparison. Did you even re-read your comment before posting it, genius.

      • John W

        Explain your attack.

    • jr12304

      How is it prideful to go to an awards show and represent the Christian music genre?

  • standyaground

    Good for her.

  • Mr. Copland

    Christian music sucks anyways, why is it even a category? It’s just a cash grab by mediocre talent who can’t make it in the mainstream industry. Second-tier singers and musicians make Christian music because they need a gimmick and people will always buy religious stuff.
    They should just have a separate Grammy’s for Christian artists called the “Mary’s” or something…

    • GoneFishing

      Your “comment” sucks.

    • wfmcfp

      If Christian artists, in your opinion, need to have their own award celebration…and you feel it be called “the Marys”….what, in like comparative manner, would this Godless, narcissistic, debased, sex party celebration best be called? The most appropriate name probably shouldn’t be written here… :) Come on. She didn’t slam the Grammys…but was polite. Why can’t she be given some respectful “tolerance” in return?

      • Tanner

        “Tolerate my intolerance!”

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        That’s OK, because if all the Christians sharing your judgmental condescension could just leave the rest of us alone, we could probably find an appropriate name on our own without your help. Just an idea… :)

        • wfmcfp

          judgmental condescension……????? Really? You don’t think what took place was offensive to God (as understood through His Word), ….narcissistic…sexually focued….and a celebration of same? What did you watch? I’m only speaking about what actually took place. And, it was YOU who took the first shot at “Christian’s” not belonging…and being subpar in talent, second tier, a gimmick, etc.etc…. Please, don’t try and hide your attack mode through ignoring the truth of what took place….and what you said about Christians.

          • Mr. Copland

            He didn’t say anything about Christian music being second-tier, coffee house level garbage. I did. And it’s 100% true. Know why no Christian artist will ever be up for Artist of the Year, or Album of the Year? Because they aren’t good enough. They don’t innovate, they just take existing genres, recycle them with Christian lyrics and rake in the money. Don’t get it twisted.

          • wfmcfp

            I apologize, Mr Copland…. you are correct. You were indeed the one to be so demeaning and harsh. My mistake.

          • Mr. Copland

            Harsh and demeaning? So having an opinion is now considered “harsh and demeaning”? Thin-skinned much?
            And prove me wrong. Name one Christian artist/group that has the talent to win a normal Grammy. Just once. Please. Do it.

          • wfmcfp

            (Secular) music sucks anyways, why is it even a category? It’s just a
            cash grab by mediocre talent who can’t make it in the mainstream
            industry. Second-tier singers and musicians make (secular) music because
            they need a gimmick and people will always buy (sexually charged and lude) stuff.
            They should just have a separate Grammy’s for (secular) artists called the (Helly’s) or something… ———– I just changed your use of the words “Christian”, “religious”, and “Mary’s” ———— And I feel, had a person used your very descriptive words, but did so regarding non-Christian (secular) musicians, it would have very likely been seen as demeaning and harsh in tenor, …but then you may disagree, which is indeed your right.

          • Mr. Copland

            And… you avoided the topic and question posited entirely. Not surprising, given that there’s no good answer available to you.
            Also, putting in those new words doesn’t apply. The secular music is far superior. It’s more innovative, it creates new genres, it has better talent… so… yeah, sorry, you’re flailing kid. Better luck next time.

          • wfmcfp

            I’ll bet you are one of those who talk “tolerance”….in a manner that encourages treating all people in a caring and kind manner….and then only asks this take place in a unidirectional manner. This Christian artist was at least gracious. You and I need say no more, as our communication is less than useful or productive. Thanks anyway.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            I don’t care if it’s offensive to God. First God needs to prove to me that he exists, that I should care, and that he has a legitimate need for my worship. Failing that, his believers should provide that to me, since the burden of proof falls upon those making truth assertions. I have learned however that, according to the Bible, fun and its various derivatives are inherently sinful. So, now I know what to look for. :)

      • Mr. Copland

        If all of that is true, then why do you want there to be a Christian category at the Grammy’s? Seems…. self-defeating, yeah?

    • Thomas R

      One category she was nominated in, Gospel or Christian Contemporary Performance, looks to have been at the Grammies since 1968. Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, and the Winans are past winners of it. Surely you don’t think they all “suck.” (Granted most winners might be unknown to you)

      I’m maybe mixed on “Christian Contemporary” I’ve heard, though some I like, but Gospel certainly has a long history of great musicians.

    • jr12304

      Wow, you’re a moron

    • Vanessa McFarland Whittemore

      There is nothing different about Christian music except the lyrics. There is no way to understand it unless you have experienced it. I invite you to listen to some Christian rock. Look up disciple or thousand foot krutch or falling up. You cant pass judgment on all Christian music unless you are willing to look at all aspects of it. Its amazing. Its even better when you understand the message behind it all. Just because we choose not to watch provocative things on tv doesnt mean we are “more holy than thou” we just choose to live our lives the way we want. Same can be said for you. And for the record true Christians love everyone. Love the sinner hate the sin. I applaud them for standing up for what they believe. It took a lot of courage.

      • Mr. Copland

        I’ve listened to Christian music. It’s not good. It doesn’t innovate, it doesn’t add to music… it just takes existing genres and revamps them with Christian lyrics. And they aren’t as talented as their secular counterparts. Period.
        I don’t want to understand the message. I’ve attempted to force myself to believe in Christianity. It doesn’t work. It hurt my brain. I’m with you on love for all, and appreciate you being positive and supportive of your beliefs. That’s fine. Kudos, sir. However, it won’t change my opinion on the music.

    • Mike Stidham

      They do. It’s called the “Dove Awards”.

      • Mr. Copland

        Then why are they also at the Grammy’s? Makes no sense.

        • Mike Stidham

          Same reason Taylor Swift can be at the Grammy’s and the CMA’s.

    • Answerman

      Cop, spoken like a child.

    • Zehnhund

      And RAP is a “legitimate” music and musical category!!?? Seriously!!??
      Before you respond please note; I have many years in and around music and know something about music history.

      • Micheleh

        Then you should know that rap is a legitimate musical genre.

      • Mr. Copland

        Depends, we talking about real rap or Christian rap? One is certainly legitimate… the other is a travesty. I’ll let you figure out which is which (Hint: The one with all the minorities you’re scared of might be the good one!).

      • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 aemoreira81

        Rap/hip-hop has been around for about 35 years; the format started in the 1970s with the Sugarhill Gang (Rappers’ Delight, sampling the then-new song Good Times, is generally recognized as the first rap song), but the first rap song not dealing with a happy scene came out in 1982 (The Message). Why most people have such a low image of rap music is probably because of the changes in the genre that took place around 1989 and 1990, when gangster themes became popular in the genre, as well as expletives. As such, most people see rap as generally an urban format these days not really depicting suburban and rural life (although those rappers do exist).

        @Micheleh:disqus – you don’t need to be a contrarian just for contrarian’s sake.

        • Micheleh

          I’m not. I’m just pointing out a gap in Zehnhund’s music knowledge.

    • Dirk Durka

      There’s a brilliant South Park about this.

  • Myrtle Linder

    Matthew 24:35-39
    35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
    36. But of that day, knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my FATHER only.
    37. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the SON OF MAN be.
    38.For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the SON OF MAN be.

    Even here that is no mention of the such depraved debauchery mentioned. To everyday Christians this is beyond belief but still know it is going on. JESUS is coming soon and do away with such evil.

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      I hope they don’t forget his luggage this time around. Last time, all they could do was wait a couple of years for the Magi (what they called insurance people back then) to show up and take care of things (by the way, that must have been one incredible sized deductible!).

  • Oliver

    What does Madonna being menopausal have to do with anything? Being sexual is wrong, but being sexist isn’t?

  • wfmcfp

    Wow, may God richly bless her and her family/spouse. Standing firm for her Lord!

  • sistermarybling

    Mr. Copeland I disagree. There is much more to Christian music than just the person who sings it. IF your heart is open AND you live by the HolySpirit you get Christian music in its totality.

  • Annette Read

    Can’t help noticing, anonymous Tanner, that the God you are mocking is the One whose name you say before anything else.
    Please don’t judge people who find certain behavior offensive, but most of all, don’t make foolish assumptions about who would be “boring.” Yikes, it sounds like you’re eliminating potential friends and great fun in life due to sheer ignorance.

    Thankfully, we are all one day closer to finding out where our “standards” are bringing us. Matthew 25:31-46.

    • Tanner

      I have yet to mock God? I’m calling out the action of supposed Christians.

      • Annette Read

        Tanner, who are you to “judge” people you don’t know, based on a few sentences they type on a blog? O.O
        Are you self-righteous? I am definitely a Christian but have never understood the theory that we make claims of being perfect… imperfect and all, I promise I am not a “supposed” Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, but even now, having difficulty feeling kind towards you. LOL
        Anyway, just in case God exists, you may want to know the definition of blasphemy.

        • Tanner

          That’s wonderful Annette, however many are not like that. Many Christians, as evidenced in these comments, are so evident to point the direct faults of others and their actions. It’s hardly ever their planks, it’s always someone else’s piles of wood that make the mess.

          • Annette Read

            Righty-oh. There are hypocritical coaches, teachers, politicians and Christians all over the place. But with a bunch of perfect Christians and nothing else, we wouldn’t really need Jesus, in my opinion. Thank you for giving some Christians the benefit of the doubt.

      • jr12304

        Supposed Christians? Isn’t standing up for their beliefs something that should be congratulated? Sitting through the whole ceremony even though they disagreed with what it stands for would make them “supposed” christians…wouldnt it?

        • Tanner

          I am discussing the words and implications of keyboard warrior christian crusaders above and below me, not of Mrs. Grant who is able to do as she pleases.

  • Trinity Heathcock

    Isn’t the fact that they left a show that they were passing judgement? That the view was not worthy of their presence? If there was no judgement, then they would have had no reason to leave. Or declare their departure to millions with a pseudo condemnation of the show on a social networking site. Nothing about this article or what the couple did, in my opinion, is “honorable.” Just another reason that Christianity is no longer relatable and will not be as long as the Christians continue to look down on nonbelievers.

    • Andrew K.

      A more logically minded person would say that walking out of a performance demonstrates that you disagree and therefore do not want to be taken as participant in something, not that you are actively “passing judgment.”

      Disagree only necessarily equals “judgment” in an immature and unreflective mind.

      As for Christianity, it matters not whether you or anyone else find it “relatable” or not. What maters is whether or not it’s true.

    • Gideon Firl

      So you’re saying that wearing symbols of devil himself who have no intent whatsoever other than to create mayhem and destruction should be accepted by the society?
      If so then I think perhaps you should reevaluate your morals, Trinity.

    • Dolores Evans

      Do nonbelievers have to act like scum? Can’t a person leave a vile display without being accused of passing judgement and isn’t that exactly what you are doing?

    • Janice Bradley

      Just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t mean you are passing judgment. Everyone, everyday, sees and hears things that are not agreed with. This is human nature and in no way is an indicator of judgment. By choosing to act in a manner that aligns with her personal beliefs (this is the U.S. and we are allowed to do so) she maintains her dignity without impugning anything against other performers. She acknowledges others’ right to choose the manner in which they wish to express their gifts; she also acknowledges her right to choose the manner in which she chooses to express her own gift. Their actions are honorable. They didn’t nor have they slandered any other performer. In fact, you’ve passed judgment because you don’t agree with what they did, stated it on this post, and further cemented your thoughts by stating what Natalie and her husband did was not honorable. Why does everyone else get to act or say what they want in the name of “freedom to be whatever, say whatever, act in whatever manner” but as soon as someone who openly states they are Christian does the same – he or she is labeled as judgmental, irrelevant (or non-relatable as you state above), etc.?

    • Meghan Burkhart

      Christians do not believe we are better than nonbelievers, we love everyone (or we should) We just have a duty to live by the Word of God and honor the way He asks us to live. “8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things” Phil 4:8

    • jr12304

      Why should someone sit by and tolerate something they believe is wrong? I love how it is ok to bash Christianity and all of their views but it is “hate speech” when christians try to express their views about anything. Natalie and Bernie didn’t publicly criticize anything they simply chose not to be a part of it. BTW – when did the Grammys become a platform for political correctness instead of a music awards show? You are exactly the same, except Hollywood and the Media side with you. I love how expressing the same views as Hollywood and the liberal media automatically makes you right…

    • MiniZorg

      No one “Looked Down” on anyone else. Why is this generation so worried about being “judged by others”? Is it because you are doing things that should be judged?
      And they were not looking down at anyone, this event just did not mesh with their values (IMO), so they left without making a scene.

    • Frank Nihart

      God is Judge. We have His word. All of the actions listed above are described as sin by Him. No judging necessary. Leaving the event was a statement that said: “We agree with God”.

    • Zehnhund

      Really!!?? Not sitting through a sex show that you don’t care to see and are free to leave is passing judgement!??
      As with most of your like minded brethren, pun intended, you know not of what you speak.
      To pass judgement Biblically is to determine whether another will rise to Heaven or be cast into Hell. NOT whether one will be forced by belief to remain around those or that they wish not to be.
      Of course, as a good Leftist, Liberal, Progressive or whatever moniker you have chosen, subject knowledge is not a prequisite for commenting nor is the tolerance you demand of others owed to those others by you.
      I had ZERO problem with seeing Beyonce dressed that way! As long as she doesn’t speak, she’s very beautiful. But besides the fact that I’m a well over 21 year old male with no kids, I completely agree that the Grammy’s was the wrong venue for such dress, actions and lyrics.
      Despite the response to Elvis’ gyrations and some outfits and dresses worn by stars of the past, we need to decide just how much more we will allow on general access media. Beyonce’s outfit would fit in a plastic egg!! There’s only one step down from that!
      Morality is not necessarily nor need be Biblical. Common sense and reason are not reserved for believers.
      Maybe you should get past your knee-jerk responses and realize that you were doing what you claimed she did even though she actually didn’t. Because you are not a believer defines you as capable of judging another!??
      Can you say hypocrite?

    • Answerman

      Trinity, You confuse judgement with discernment. Look them up. They exercised the latter.

      • lauriebeth

        amen and well said! Famous words of today – Don’t judge me! When a new law is passed and made known to the people, are the lawmakers judging us??? Of course not! When Christians speak God’s word and the consequences, it’s the same thing. We are no judge, only God is. But just like breaking man’s law, there will be consequences of breaking God’s law also!

    • Gary Wolfenbarger

      I think the fact they left the “show” was due to a personal discomfort, which is their right. Is seems there were several “acts” worthy of condemnation PERIOD.
      You don’t find it out of the ordinary having a mock(?) same-sex mass marriage performed at an awards show? You don’t think it was aimed at desensitizing impressionable youth to a certain lifestyle? Do you not find that today’s “music” can be degrading to women, painting them as a bunch of materialistic whores who will “hook-up” with anyone in a limo who has bling and platinum teeth?
      I do.

      • Micheleh

        They were real, legal weddings, and not all the couples were same-sex.

        • jr12304

          You’re missing the point Micheleh…lol

          • Micheleh

            No, I do not believe so.

          • jr12304

            Oh really…so the whole point to his comment was that the marriages weren’t real? Hmmm…

          • Micheleh

            They weren’t “mock” and they weren’t all same-sex. I was clarifying.

          • jr12304

            Lol you are still completely missing the big picture. Read the whole comment, and try one more time

          • Micheleh

            Oh, I know what you’re getting at. I’m just pointing out that the comment wasn’t entirely correct.

          • Micheleh

            I know exactly what you were getting at, but that does not stop the comment I was replying to from being factually incorrect.

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        I love it when conservatives use the word “desensitize” when at times in history they have used that very concept, e.g., indoctrinating racism in the South, etc.

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      In their defense, an early departure is not always a sign of rejection or offense. I don’t have enough information to know for sure, but I suspect disapproval was at least one of the reasons why she left early. But sometimes people do leave for various and valid reasons, not directly related to the event itself, such as fatigue, etc. However, I have trouble believing she did not know what to expect, and isn’t using the resulting publicity to further her own agenda (and beliefs).

    • Cynthia Ray

      YOU are what is wrong with this world. THIS attitude is the exact reason so many Christians are so combative towards the idea of legal Gay marriage. Because you cant stop at the idea of us agreeing to disagree. You want us to participate in it with you. If we dont then we are being “judgmental” and “looking down on you” We knew it would not stop at “If you dont like it dont do it, or dont be a part of it, or dont watch it, or dont look at it” We knew it would be oh you are not going to try it, or participate in it, or watch it. you must be judgmental. YOU are your cause’s worst enemy. It is people like you that chase the loving Christians back away. I know people have personally tried to get me to participate in threesomes and more and bisexual and gay sex. old friends who asked me to. And when I told them that wasnt something i was going to do THEY stopped being my friends because I wouldnt participate with them. REALLY? who is being judgemental? Who is looking down on who? You are a hypocrite. You are not interested in equality and diversity. You are interested in every one else viewing the world the same way you do.

      I am not against gay marriage being legal if the Government is going to find it it’s job to regulate them. A justice of the peace can not make God recognize a union. Just cant. I do have lots of problems with the morality of Gay marriage but I dont think Denying two people what they think will make them happy is going to save souls and in the end that is what is important. Because in the moment all they see is the “hateful” Christians denying them their happiness.

  • Jean Massey

    Good for them. The world today United States included remind me so much of Sodom and Gomorra, And we all know GOD got tired of that and what happened It makes me sick to see what “stardom ” is about

    • TheRealJTrimm

      You never made it around the that New Testament, did you?

      • Robert Bristol

        Neither the new or the old testament contradicts any of God’s proclamations or judgements. The New Testament, a covenant with God through Christ defines us to all be sinners. But it also directs us to discern and reject the temptations of sin. Just because Jesus told us to judge not and love thy neighbor doesn’t mean God’s proclamation that let not man be with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination” is invalid. Or God’s judgement that it defiles the nations. It defiles the land itself and the land will spill its inhabitants into the sea. No sir! nothing redefines the word of God.

        • kabbf

          “No sir! nothing redefines the word of God.”

          Except for man.

      • DaWholeTruth

        Don’t recall him condoning homosexuality but I do recall him saying to the people listen to my father’s words………….but go on try to manipulate the Bible, I’ll bet your ‘GLAAD all over’

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      I’m truly offended by the fact that apparently these two cities were so horrible and wicked that they deserved divine destruction, when the second city barely earns mention in the texts recording its judgment and destruction. I think the dead citizens of Gomorrah should voice righteous indignation to the appropriate PR departments.

  • TheRealJTrimm

    Thank you for this article. I, for one, was shocked, SHOCKED, SHOCKED! to hear Daft Punk’s lascivious sex-anthem “Get Lucky” winning awards. What happened to all the wholesome music!?! Remember back when we listened to Fats Domino and his celebration of great pie, singing about finding his thrill on “Blueberry Hill”? Music was so much deeper and full of family values back then! It’s all gone to pot now (which is being smoked in hellscapes like Colorado and Washington!). Good lord above help us.

    Also, amazing credit to the writer for bearing the burden of speaking judgment on every dissenting opinion on Ms. Grant’s behalf so that she needn’t soil her hands with such un-Christlike behavior! All that’s important is these awful sinners know just how awful they are, and that we get our own spotless pop star out of all of this for us to project our own preconceived beliefs on. Shine on, you christlike diamond!

    • Tanner

      You win.

    • Michelle Tucker

      BTW, the “Good Lord” did help us, by putting pot on this earth for pain relief. I swear, I had to go back to TX for Christmas, and I was hurting SO bad, even my sister-in-law, who is as awesome of a Christian as they come, was calling people to get me some relief. She didn’t even care any more that it wasn’t legal, she knew in her heart that it was the right thing to do.

      Of course, this has nothing to do with the show, as I didn’t watch it, so I don’t know. I just wanted to put my two cents in about your comment.

      • TheRealJTrimm

        God made pot? Whoa… That changes everything.

        Think your sister could hook me up?

    • MiniZorg

      JTrimm, (I can only imagine) so you found this bizarre ritual enlightening? Empowering? Positive?
      Why attack someone who just disagreed with what was going on, and in disagreement, left the event.
      Do you only support individuals freedoms when it concerns them holding up negative values? And yes, this event was all about negative values. IMHO, it was disgusting. Yes, innuendo was used in the past, but we are now looking at music portrayed (almost literally) as a gynecological exam and being told that WE MUST ENJOY IT!

      • TheRealJTrimm

        You were being forced to enjoy the Grammys? Were you being held at gunpoint? Was someone you loved being held hostage? My god, have you told anyone? Called the police? That sounds horrible! Are you in a safe place? Do you need me to call someone for you?

        Because I’m sure turning the tv off or switching the channel wouldn’t have solved whatever problem’s causing your presumed persecution.

        You are not alone in being a victim! Don’t be ashamed to reach out for help! Be strong!

        • MiniZorg

          Nope, I did not watch, could care less about these idiots, but my children are adults.
          I need nothing from you. I was not persecuted. But I do have Grandchildren and I do not want them attacked by this idiocy.
          Having raised three teenagers during the 90′s, I watched as this type of filth and the lack of concern of it’s increasing depravity effected my kid’s innocence.
          And I worked with Hundreds of teenagers who were also effected by this crap. If you had good, quality conversations with them they would tell how uncomfortable this stuff made them, AND how their peers used it against them.
          My opinion has nothing to do with religion, it has everything to do with civil society.

          • TheRealJTrimm

            Look at you, standing up for all your surrogate victims! ^ This person’s fine, but they feel compelled to speak for all the children who can’t think for themselves (possibly because they were raised being told how to think by people like MiniZorg?)! I hear ya, baby! Think of the children! WON’T ANYBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

          • MiniZorg

            You’re pretty warped…. Listening is important, try it sometime.
            I have no “Surrogate victims”.
            I had actual conversations with hundreds of teens that were trying hard to make their way through the world. A world that gets more and more confusing for this age group every day.
            We, as adults, need to do what we can to try to help them through this minefield. The crap on that program last night was not helpful. And their target audience are NOT adults and you know it.

          • TheRealJTrimm

            I’m hearing you clearly. You’re not speaking for yourself, you’re speaking in the interests of hundreds of teens that needed the protection of your perspective, because you know better than everyone else.
            You’ve been wrong since you left the gate. I had never watched the Grammys before -and never will again. The show was trashy, empty, kitschy, and terrible. Our culture has produced a real turd there. But that’s mostly because most pop music is pretty terrible, why would we expect a show celebrating exactly such a business to be anything more than terrible? To sit around wringing your hands over the horribleness of it all is either crying crocodile tears or an exercise is dunderheaded stupidity.
            FYI, I only waited through 2 1/2 hours of that crap fest was to catch Trombone Shorty -an exceptionally talented musician, and sadly mostly wasted on the sidelines for the Macklemore/Latifah/Madonna performance. If you’re really so disgusted with pop culture, try Shorty. It might refresh you to hear real music, instead of sampling crap and writing off the rest of society.

          • TheRealJTrimm

            This is the most outraged MiniZorg’s been since she saw Paula Abdul dancing with that cartoon wolf. These girls nowadays see a former lakers cheerleader in a sports bra tramping it up, and before you know it, they’re making out with the family doberman! The horror!

      • Micheleh

        No, you are not. You have the right and the ability to switch your TV to another station or even right off. You are not being forced to watch the Grammys or any other show. Get a grip.

    • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 aemoreira81

      It all boils down to ad dollars. That is why in some markets you can have several Spanish-language stations, multiple urban radio stations, and Top 40 stations, but only one country music station and no Christian radio on FM. The switch to PPM hasn’t helped things either, as that shows what formats are popular, thus determining ad rates. From where the change will come is unclear, but it will have to come from changes in tastes of listeners. Case in point: Katy Perry (real name Katy Hudson – not to be confused with Kate Hudson)…her first album, a Christian album released in 2001 (self-titled as Katy Hudson), bombed. Seven years later, One of the Boys, a polar opposite of her 2001 album, with this album emphasizing sex appeal, sold a lot better.

      In case you’re wondering what market I am describing, BTW, it’s NYC…a market that had no country radio station for almost 18 years (the market still doesn’t have a true rock station either on a primary feed) and whose only Christian FM station was lost to make room for the country station. (The claim that the NYC market is an anomaly to the rest of the USA is a valid defense.)

      Now, the question of whether or not Natalie Grant or her husband knew into what she was getting is a valid one.

      • TheRealJTrimm

        My friend, you just described everything that’s wrong with this country. Where are all the good ol’ stations playing country music, where themes like adultery, alcoholism, sex, and murder are nowhere to be found?!? Country first!

    • Dirk Durka

      SHOCKED! As if that were a virtue, haha. Hellscapes, really? Have you ever even seen the mountains? Also rather hilarious that you reference Pink Floyd in the same breath.

      • Dirk Durka

        Oh wow, you totally trolled me. Excellent work, you win 3 internets.

    • Dirk Durka

      Oops. Good work, Poe.

  • Metronous

    Just love “Christians” who are prompt to stand up for all that Jesus did NOT say about homosexuality and abortion and such but totally ignore the “little” things he actually did say. They love to quote the Bible – just not the parts with which they choose to disagree or ignore. Those passages they do quote, are quite often mis-interpreted and/or misunderstood or so otherwise convoluted as to loose their original intent.

    And if Beyonce’ and Jay-Z aren’t a walking advertisement for what makes a solid marriage – cooperation, commitment, mutual support, head-over-heels obvious love – and yes sex, then what in the world do you want? You don’t want them to exhibit all that in public? Fair point, so don’t watch. And since when did marriage belong to the church? It is after all, a secular, legal institution that the government allows the church and other secular officials to officiate.

    You have lots of complaints about the show,but how naive does one have to be to not recognize what that show was going to be? No where, by no one was the show publicized as a Christian presentation. Even Jesus did not demand that the entire world follow his God – or him for that matter. If you don’t like secular entertainment, don’t watch – and you obviously watched very carefully.

    And if you are wondering, I am a red-letter Christian and proud of my beliefs; if you don’t know what that means, google it.

    • brooke

      AMEN!! Way to put into words exactly what I was thinking when I read this article!!

    • Answerman

      Nobody expected the show to be Christian. It’s sad that it had to be so depraved. Sadder that you appear to approve, Metro

      • roller22

        I wasn’t expected to be Christian, or Jewish or any other religion but I expect television shows to be decent. Not the filth they put up for anyone (kids) to see.

    • Jonathan Trivette

      Metronous…..you have no idea what you are talking about. You certainly do not know what the Bible says based on what you just said in your comment above. This world is giving in to Satan and those so-called performances at the Grammys proves it. They were completely inappropriate and nothing but satanic in nature. God would NEVER condone this type of activity. You need to go back and re-read the Bible and go to church.

      • Metronous

        Wow, you are ALL able to make such valid points when you don’t read or respond to what I actually said. I did not say God would condone anything, just that Jesus was clear that some things in the world would follow God, and some not – you know, the give unto Caesar… passage. Neither did I say I approved of the show’s content. Jesus also talked about judging others…but I guess that is off point too :)

        • roller22

          Give unto Ceasar was talking about taxes. Jesus told them they had to pay their taxes. The End. You can’t just make stuff up. You are uninformed. Read the Bible.

        • Happy Camper

          You, I, and everyone else, judges every day. From the fwy. driver doing 80 and unable to stay in his/her lane (drunk?) to the doctor who molests his small patients.

          What we’re not supposed to do is condemn. Nor judge the persons soul. That’s God’s job, not ours. We’re free to judge actions, and free to call each other out on those actions.

          That “do not judge” card is pulled out a lot, when someone doesn’t like being told that what their doing is wrong, hurtful, bad, etc.

          Doesn’t change what they’re doing, just makes them think they have a free pass to behave however they want.

          It’s the “personal” judgements and hypocrisy that Jesus spoke against, and encouraged his followers to make doggone sure they took care of their own issues prior to pointing out those of others.

    • Andrew K.

      Jesus wasn’t a red-letter Christian.

    • Billy_Bob77

      Metronous – Jesus never said anything about child molestation either, does that make it right? Morality based on what Jesus didn’t say is ridiculous.

      • Dirk Durka

        This is essentially an argument that morality based on what Jesus did say is just as ridiculous. If you are able to recognize that something is right or wrong without Jesus having mentioned it, then why are you using him as a moral standard?

      • Guest

        If you would read your Bible you would understand there has been sin from Adam and Eve’s generation. Why do you think God destroyed this earth by water the first time, Sodom and Gomorrah to a pillow of salt. SIN an SODOMY. The second time fire and brimstone. What do you have to lose to be SAVED with an ETERNAL LIFE or FACE the DEVIL and all his ANGELS in a LITERAL BURNING HELL. . It’s your CHOICE LIVE or BURN

        • Dirk Durka

          Hehehe thanks for the laugh :)

    • Lucas Procee

      Jesus upheld the OT definition of proper sexuality, and he defined marriage as the relationship between one man and one woman for life.
      Ergo, homosexual “marriage” is not marriage according to Jesus.

      Jesus demands the entire world to repent and bow before Him. When he comes in judgement, every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that He is Lord. Some knees will bow in thankfulness and adulation, and some will be crushed into submission. Either way, it’s gonna happen. I suggest you read those bits of red in your Bible a little more carefully. They will tell you that the black bits are just as inspired.

      • invisigoth

        Jesus never said anything about marriage, definition or otherwise.

        • Nomasidiotas

          @ Invisigoth Yes he did.

          Matthew 22:28-29
          In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her.” But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.

          Luke 20:34-36
          And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

          Matthew 5:32
          But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

          • invisigoth

            I don’t see any definition of marriage here nor do I see anything condemning same sex marriages. Would you like to try again?

          • Nomasidiotas

            No need to try again as I was responding to your statement: “Jesus NEVER said ANYTHING about marriage, definition or otherwise.” Yes, he did.

          • Nomasidiotas

            And within the context “The sons of this age marry…” refers to males, and “…everyone who divorces HIS wife…makes HER” refers to marriage between man and woman, a given, as that is what marriage is.

          • invisigoth

            Ahahahahahaha – justify much? Guess what – the guy in the sky doesn’t exist. He’s not up there making sure your team wins football games while children around the world are starving, being sold into slavery and dying from horrible diseases because.. Merica. F Yeah!

        • Lucas Procee

          Do you even Bible?

          Read Matthew 19. Not the only place, but one of the major ones where Jesus addresses marriage.

        • Happy Camper

          And yet he talked about divorce, how can that be?

        • foreverinchrist

          Obviously you don’t study the Scriptures.

      • wingramm77

        Well now…what does Harry Potter have to say about all of this?

        • Lucas Procee

          Wouldn’t know…

          I imagine nothing I need to worry about, as he doesn’t provide me with epistemological self-consciousness.

          • wingramm77

            To be fair….neither does god.

          • Lucas Procee

            Sure, cuz, you know, the Christian God couldn’t reveal knowledge to man in such a way that we could actually know anything, right?

            Tell me again how you don’t justify your reasoning by your reasoning.

          • Lucas Procee

            Just for good measure.

          • wingramm77

            If that’s how you want to play it, I only have one thing to say: You now need to prove god exists.

          • Lucas Procee

            As long as your reasoning justifies your reasoning, why on earth would I give you anything? From your position you can’t make truth claims (though you do) and you can’t be sure of anything (though you are).

            Out of everything you know, is there one thing that you are absolutely certain of, and is it at all possible that you could be wrong?

            If the answer is yes, you profess not to know anything at all.

            The problem is, you do know things, and you can make truth claims. It’s not because your worldview is right, it’s because mine is.
            Because of this, any argument over evidence that is previous to an argument over presuppositions becomes useless. Your feet are firmly planted in my ground, and you are telling me to prove that it exists.

            That is foolish.

          • Dirk Durka

            Descartes is riddled with holes man, this argument has been flawed for centuries.

    • CR

      Too bad that solid couple didn’t choose to show or honor, cooperation, commitment, mutual support and love in the performance they chose!
      Nope, they’d rather show ass and pocket cash…. that’s their real motivation

    • jr12304

      You are a Christian and claim that marriage doesn’t belong to the church, or religion for that matter? You think the government created marriage, or that it “allows” the church to officiate it? Thats interesting…

      • Metronous

        Again, WOW. Such intelligent, responsive comments that in no way reflect upon or relate to anything I actually posted (or think or feel or believe). I’ve had about all the good Christian compassion I can stand for the night so you all go on with this Christ-like discussion.

    • slevinkelevra

      you nailed it. thank you. the worst part of this whole article was the comment about jay z and beyonce showing what goes on behind closed doors. they’re a happily, committed, loving couple, and what they were showing was a strong attraction and love for each other.
      another huge problem with this article is how judgmental it is. if i’m not mistaken, it says in the bible that we are not to judge those who are not believers… now, I can’t speak for the performers. possibly they are christians, but without knowing, it is wrong to judge them.
      and yes, its the grammy’s. don’t watch if you’re offended by this form of art. you knew what was coming, so why turn it on. metronous, you nailed it.

    • Nomasidiotas

      In Genesis 3 and Matthew 4 Satan quotes scripture.
      The problem is his application of the scripture. Satan, like you, conveniently leaves out important context. Just
      because someone quotes scripture doesn’t mean they’re imparting truth
      correctly. Like the devil they misapply it. But most fraudulent uses
      of scripture can be exposed by simply reading the context of the passage.

      That said, I don’t know why she bothered attending at all. No one forces anyone to go. She may be nominated for an award, but she is free to reject it as well.

    • Blessed

      There’s no way on God’s creation you can be a Christian to have said what you have just said. He said all has come short of the glory of God. For your information I didn’t even watch that filth. Was at Bible Study where a lot more needs to be. Jesus gives you a choice to be saved or not to be. I would lot rather to know that I was saved and going to. Have Eternal Life than not to be and split Hell wide open.i

  • Craig Eisman

    I admire and respect them. Many singers these days have absolutely no class. They try to play for shock value. A bunch of idiots.

  • 1911HeadBanger

    Good for Natalie and her Hubby. Going to the Grammy’s has become like going to a Gay Pride Parade with all of the debauchery and demonic displays of filth. It’s no longer an Awards Show. Just like the Academy Awards and others, it’s become a Hollyweird Liberal Propaganda Circus.

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      And it still fails to keep the judgmental religious people away. I swear, most people would take a hint. But no, there is a fierce determination to show those with whom they disagree that they are offended by disagreement, independent thought, and refusal to gracefully accept all manners of destructive criticism offered without charge or even the expectation of its helpfulness in improving the listener. And the truly sad fact must be recorded that “Left Behind” and TBN-produced apocalyptic dramas, along with the endless collection of various Christian attempts at musical entertainment, simply cannot be mass-produced at the required rate in order to saturate the available market.

      • MiniZorg

        Many of these folks are making judgments on the music that their children are listening to. It is their responsibility to make sure that their children’s innocence is not destroyed by this disgusting crap.
        Yes, they are making judgments, that’s what all humans do, all day everyday.

      • Lucas Procee

        TBN stands for the “Total Baal Network”…. Or wait, was that “Total Blasphemy Network”?

        I can’t remember. Either way, it’s pretty sad stuff that goes on over there. The worst part is that they call themselves evangelical Christians, and most people believe them.

        Unfortunately TBN is the popular face of Christianity in many parts of the globe. As such, I don’t blame anyone for thinking we’re all nuts. If I watched TBN, I would too.

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          I have a friend who called them “Theologically Bogus Network” so I agree.

      • ksrgl444

        Byron,

        Christians, Jews and Muslism, etc. have a right to express their views. Why are you so offended by their beliefs?

        And, your statements are not judgmental against believers? Take a look at what you right and say that you are not judging others.

        • Dirk Durka

          Those “views” are basically judgments against other people, and it cuts both ways. Criticism of those views is just as protected.

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Everyone has a right to have and express an opinion, but not to be free from criticism. It is frankly ironic to be chided as if for not allowing freedom of opinion with the expectation of criticism, when I live in a Christianity-saturated country and experience this truth at a far deeper level than those asserting the criticism themselves apparently realize. By the way, this means you.

      • Happy Camper

        “And it still fails to keep the judgmental religious people away.”

        You mean, like you? Your “religion” seems to be denouncing others religion.

        Why are you here? If religion to you, is judgemental, etc…again, why are you here posting?

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Non-religious people don’t…have….religion. I thought that the adjective would be self-evidently obvious. But apparently, it is not.

          • Happy Camper

            Again, why are you here?

  • Berlytea

    The music scene of today is a debacle..it’s fake, auto tuned, copy cat bullcrap. No original thought involved and no inspiration.That being said, religion is no better, in any form.The
    supernatural is fictitious. Period. No ghosts, no gods, no evil deities,
    no satan, no antichrist, no one coming back to save your soul. You’re not
    now, nor will you ever be a witch, you’re not clairvoyent, psychic, or
    innately attuned to others feelings in a supernatural way, you aren’t
    possessed, nor has anyone ever been, and you’ve never seen a spirit,
    Period. NO SUCH THING. Wake up and deal with it. Everyone worked up into a tizzy over lame ass “musicians” baring their skin, and pretending like they’re witches, and mythology and folklore. You’re sad and pitiful.

    • jr12304

      You have no way of knowing if you are right or not. Prove that all of it doesn’t exist, if you can’t, sit down and shut up.

      • Dirk Durka

        There’s this little thing called burden of proof. Also there’s this other little thing called the flying spaghetti monster.

        • jr12304

          There’s no burden of proof that lies with Christians and other people of faith. If you choose not to believe, thats obviously “your choice”. But you have no way of knowing whether you are right or not. If you are right, good for you. If you are wrong, then whenever you go, you’ll be S.O.L

          • wingramm77

            Christians might act like they have no “burden of proof” but if they want to make the claim that God is real (which they do) and expect others to believe the same then that burden is 100% on the Christians. It’s that simple.

          • jr12304

            Choose not to believe then, no sweat off my back.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            I had no way of knowing whether my teacher was right that 2 + 2 = 4, and frankly I doubted it, but fortunately I was able to verify it later in life, and did not even have to wait for the afterlife.

          • jr12304

            Well that is one of the major differences between math and religion…too bad religion isn’t that simple

          • Dirk Durka

            The burden of proof begins the moment you try to convince anybody else of the truth of your beliefs. You can tell me that you don’t personally do that, but it’s a pretty fundamental tenet of Christianity. If you’re wrong, and the Muslims or some other religion is right, then you’re S.O.L. too.

            And I do have ways of knowing with tolerable certainty whether I’m right. Science has been refuting religious claims for some time now, and given that Christianity has a pretty bad track record with their testable claims, I’m not too keen on accepting their untestable claims. Sure there is a .000001% chance that your God exists and will send me to hell (actual probability several orders of magnitude lower), just as there is a .000001% probability that all the oxygen in my house will suddenly rush to one corner and suffocate me. It would be a bad decision for me to spend more than about .000001% of my time planning for that possibility.

        • wingramm77

          R’Amen!

        • TheRealJTrimm

          Yeah, bro, jr12304 said it! There’s no burden of proof with religion! ‘Cause the sun revolves around the earth, and the world was made in seven days, suckas! Science can suck a big fat one, ’cause my god is a mighty god! Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! There’s some scientific proof for ya, easy as that!!!

      • wingramm77

        Prove any of it does exist? You are the ones making the positive claim.

        • jr12304

          I couldn’t care less if you believe it or not, its your choice. I don’t have to prove anything to you, thats the great thing about religion. It’s “faith” based…if you don’t believe and you are wrong in the end – well, sucks for you.

          • wingramm77

            At least you admit it’s “faith based”…..that’s literally the most honest you can be about it.

            and that “Pascal’s Wager” is lame and tired.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Other religions probably feel the same way about your religion.

          • jr12304

            Good for them, their choice too.

          • Dirk Durka

            If it really doesn’t bother you what other people believe, you might in the future consider not telling them to sit down and shut up.

      • Berlytea

        Sit down and shut up? Really? You sound really tough…I sure am scared of you. I bet you’re really smart too. I bet there’s nothing in the Bible that I could find to prove any statements you might throw at me wrong, I’ve never spent the majority of my life in church and I’ve never read the bible…thanks for setting me straight. Prove it does dickhead.

        • jr12304

          Lol, so much anger. Did something happen to you? I am really smart, much smarter than you actually. Despite anyones best arguments you are probably too thickheaded to accept any other views or beliefs. Theres no burden on me to prove anything to you. I believe what I believe and so do you. Here’s the catch though – if I’m wrong, it’s sad but nothing more. If you’re wrong, consider that…

          • Dirk Durka

            If you’re wrong, you could go to a Muslim hell, consider that…

            “I am really smart, much smarter than you actually.” — thanks for the chuckle :)

  • Micheleh

    Hey now, that’s taking things too far.

  • Rhoda

    That is the worst thing you could EVER say! How dare you!!!

  • http://twitter.com/ErinElizabeth9 Erin Elizabeth

    Wow. I may not share her viewpoint, but she was able to express herself with dignity and seemed to keep her judgements to herself. Unlike your article which reeked of a judgemental, holier-than-thou tone. People like you are why others are so weary of Christianity. Just….wow.

    • MiniZorg

      Please explain why I cannot judge someone…..

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        You can judge anyone you like. Facts are optional. But their use is suggested for most occasions.

        • MiniZorg

          So, if you were sitting watching a Music awards show with your 9 year old daughter, would it be a fact that you should be embarrassed by Beyonce’ spreading her legs in a very suggestive way and singing in a suggestive fashion for a lengthy period of time?
          How about feeling up her, what’s the term, significant other right there on your high-def widescreen?
          If not, good luck…

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Ha! I didn’t even watch it. Well, we know you aren’t psychic now.

          • ttjohnson39

            My parents never let me stay up late on a Sunday night and watch the Grammy’s until I was in High School and even then I didn’t get to watch it all because I had school the next day. It is an adult show. It is not for children. The Kids choice awards is for 9 years old’s.

          • wingramm77

            It might be helpful if the parents acted like adults and found a way to address anything they might find inappropriate for their children so that they have the ability to confront these things as they get older.

            or you can be afraid and ignorant of the world and teach your kids to be the same.

    • hadenough57

      Judgmental aren’t you erin.

      • http://twitter.com/ErinElizabeth9 Erin Elizabeth

        I’m embarrassed. If you want to call that “judgemental” please do. I am Christian and on a daily basis hear my fair share of people mocking the religion. Their mocking isn’t unfounded either. We preach the message of love and acceptance but then spew hate at anyone who doesn’t share our faith or viewpoints. So if that’s judgemental, then okay I’m guilty.

    • happylada

      And the judgmental, holier tan thou parts were where? Since the evening was a mockery of Christianity, I suggest a little offense is more than justified. You wouldn’t be just a bit arrogant yourself would you? A bit judgmental. “REEKED” really? I didn’t smell anything. Its why Christians are so weary of humanists who want to run the nation we built so well, and are doing a terrible job of it.

      • Bradley Gragg

        Christians did not build the country… the founding fathers were all thoroughly atheist.

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          No, some of them were Deist. But good point in them not being Christian.

          • Bradley Gragg

            True. Some were deists, but none of them followed any sort of religious doctrine (other than what was imposed as a societal expoectation and constraint)

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            And thank God for that, if there is one. :)

        • roller22

          You are so wrong!

          • Bradley Gragg

            Thomas Jefferson in particular was very outspoken about it.
            “The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.”

            -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

            “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”

            -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

          • Paul Furling

            Look up their personal writings.

      • http://twitter.com/ErinElizabeth9 Erin Elizabeth

        You say humanist like it is supposed to be an insult.

    • Happy Camper

      Mirror, mirror…

  • fuzzywuzzy8

    Why is everyone arguing about religion? Can’t we just all agree that the grammys sucked and move on?

    • jr12304

      Ha! Yes please

    • happylada

      Sry to break the news to you – but the entire evening was religious – in a evil, satanic, sort of way. Maybe you just missed that . . .

      So it seems natural to anyone aware of the event that religion can hardly be avoided when discussing the event.

    • bob

      Fuzzy, everyone is not arguing over religion. What many are saying whatever happened with decency, a little self respect and the impact such ugly displays of near nudity and sexual inuendo is having on children who look up to these vulgar people who think of nothing but their image which was self evident at the awards. Shame on all of you who dote over such sickening displays…..

  • Cynthia Ray

    She is a better person then I am

  • gwnola

    Honestly, I felt she was too nice. Why not say why you are leaving? If Jesus can call the Pharisees a “brood of vipers,” then why should we remain silent about our objections? That being said, I’m not in her shoes. She has her reasons, I’m sure, and I choose to respect her decision. Maybe she was just too close to the event to comment then.

    • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 aemoreira81

      You probably can put two and two together to realize why though. Grant didn’t say, but you can figure that the performances she saw probably had something to do with it.

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      And I love the look on Christian faces when they vociferously denounce something offensive to their theologically manufactured morality, and then express surprise at the lack of concern or willingness to change by those who do not share that same theology. :)

      • Isabella1709

        I bet you just couldn’t wait to search out a site to treat us to your venom about Christians. I doubt you know very many. Perhaps one day you will come to experience just how wonderful it is to be one of us.

      • Happy Camper

        Leaving out Christianity, why do some feel; the need to outdo the last act by being even more bizarre? I don’t care what Beyonce does in her bedroom, but I also don’t care to see reenactments on stage.

        If anyone wants to see porn, soft or otherwise, let them in a private place…this was supposed to be a celebration of music, why can’t they allow their voices and song shine vs. downgrading the event?

        • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 aemoreira81

          The short answer is because of the time-proven strategy that shock sells…as well as provides publicity. No one will be talking about the Grammys still if it was staid.

          • Happy Camper

            Sorry, I don’t buy that.

            If the musical talent isn’t enough, then why do they ever have the Grammies?

      • roller22

        Your name suits you, moronic. People really don’t want to see this kind of thing on TV. Those were spoiled brats looking for attention. They want to be noticed more than they want to be respected. I will Never watch the Grammys’ until they clean it up.

        • Micheleh

          If “people” don’t want to see it on TV, why is it on TV? Ratings are the be-all and end-all of what is or is not on network TV.

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Wow, have you had your reading comprehension tested lately? Don’t put it off too long. Or just stick to TV.

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Promise? Then why are you commenting on them? I don’t understand.

  • Guest

    Natalie, you are an inspiratio

  • Carol Guillory

    The only thing that bothered me about this post was calling Madonna menopausal. What doe being menopausal have to do with this?

    • pawomanforromney

      Carol, it was more the really bad performance and the outfit that made it unentertaining My word.

      • Carol Guillory

        All I saw was Madonna in a white suit. I didn’t watch much of the show so I really don’t know what else went on. I was just responding to the article.

        • Carol Guillory

          Did she strip off her suit?

  • Donald Burkhart

    Natalie, you are an inspiration & a great person. God loves you & you are the BEST. Thank you as you also spoke for me in your actions. Grammy’s were nothing.

  • meredith

    Natalie is very classy and respectful in her way of handling things. But the comments I’m seeing on this article are the exact opposite of that. You are being hateful, disrespectul towards gay people, and very self righteous. Natalie is the kind of Christian I look up to. I’m ashamed to call myself a Christian when reading your comments.

    • hadenough57

      Then maybe you aren’t.

      • TheRealJTrimm

        Yeah! Where does meredith get off calling for tolerance and love from Christians? Who does she think we are, Jesus?

      • wingramm77

        and you just proved that Meredith is the better one.

        • hadenough57

          Didn’t know that you were God and could decide that wing, but hey, with your self assured overblown ego, not a surprise that you put yourself up there as a judge.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            I didn’t realize one had to prove deity in order to allow people to form independent conclusions and not challenge their personal integrity for doing so simply because they did so.

        • meredith

          wingramm, I agree with everything you said above. People just need to let everybody else have their own beliefs and not shove it down each other’s throats. Live according to yourself.

      • Kevin Chval

        hadenough57, if anyone here being hateful it would be you. Not only are you speaking out of complete lack of knowledge regarding Islam, you are also accusing a fellow Christian of being hypocritical. I do not know if you have been educated in a Christian University, but I am and I can tell you that Islam is not known as the true religion of hate. the only reason it has that label is because of ignorant people like yourself who speak without knowing what they are talking about. Christianity is not about hate, it is not about pointing fingers at who sinned “more” or “worse” because neither of those are labels you can put on sin. Sin is sin. You sin, homosexuals sin, I sin, we all sin and shoving your hate in the face of people who are already broken does a disservice to Christianity and to the redemptive mission of Christ.

        • wingramm77

          Sweet Jesus….if more Christians were like you and Meredith there would be no need for militant atheists like me. Thank you.

          • Kevin Chval

            I wholeheartedly understand what you mean. I attend a Christian University and am studying to be a youth minister and I am hurt to think of how others must view me, not because of how I act but because of how other more hateful Christians act. It is my experience that most Christians do not hold the same views as most of the hate that has been posted on this page. Unfortunately, it is also those non-hateful Christians who are not outspoken and the more hateful ones are overly outspoken. You are free to believe what you want. That is my opinion. But I am going to show others the love of Christ as I have experienced it in how I act towards others. It is not by bible thumping that people come to Christ, but through authentic Christian behavior and love. Just saying.

          • hadenough57

            Good to know that people like you are going to be the future of the church kevin. That is why we no longer attend.

            2 Peter 2:1 ESV / 113 helpful votes
            But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Great! The more people who stop attending church, the sooner we can foreclose on the properties and use them more constructively for the benefit of society at large. But meanwhile, it might do you good to discover that everyone is not an evil slimeball who regards humanity as simply objects of divine displeasure and future wrath. Just sayin’.

          • hadenough57

            What ever floats your boat. BTW, Christians do not need a church to follow Christ. Just people that need a place to preach their propaganda do.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            But that assertion contradicts the very Scriptures you apparently proclaim to believe in (such as found in the epistles concerning the necessity of the church and its healthy governance over the lives of believers, etc). Care to rethink those statements? Being a former believer, I am not altogether ignorant of theology.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Christian fundamentalism here in America is dying, and religion itself is struggling to adapt for its own survival.

          • Kevin Chval

            You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I can tell you that the church is headed in the right direction. Christians are starting to understand that there are larger issues than focusing on the sin of others. We must look inward on ourselves at how we need to improve while at the same time reaching out in love to the broken. No finger pointing. No hate. Just compassionate love. We serve a God with the capacity for completely uncensored grace. Las Vegas is the cultural representation of our culture and yet it is commonly known as Grace City rather than Sin City by Christians there because God’s uncensored grace is most visible there. God has grace on you. He has grace on me. And he has grace on prostitutes, pimps, drug addicts, you name it. To that end, who are we to judge when we are just as guilty ourselves. We have received the love of Christ and that should be reflected in how we act towards others.

          • hadenough57

            So what you are saying kevin is that the “church” is beginning to accept whatever man deems as acceptable, and Christ way of living is out of date? If you are following the way of man, then kevin, the church is going in the right direction, for man.

          • Kevin Chval

            Nope, that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that the church is realizing that Christ NEVER condemned while doing ministry on earth. He may have spoken out but he did so in clear love. He also set an example of living among the sinners and broken in ministry. The church does not have to follow the ways of the world, but it does need to be understanding of the ways of the world. The ways of the world are symptomatic of brokenness and brokenness can not be fought or overcome with hate.

          • hadenough57

            Christ did not condemn. He came to save. That I agree with. I do not judge people for what they do, but I do not appreciate people that attack my faith because it does not conform to what they deem as acceptable.

            I am a sinner, and without the saving grace of Jesus Christ, I will go to hell. That is what I believe and have tried to share.

            But if I say that I am a Christian, and I do not accept a lifestyle that God has deemed a sin, the intolerance and insults come out with a vengeance!

            The demand of tolerance from the ones that are intolerant bullies.

          • hadenough57

            I posted last night that I agreed with your post, but for some reason, my reply did not post. But for the grace of God, go I.

            That said, you talked about the hurt that you feel from “hateful Christians” but take no responsibility for the hurt that your hateful remark invokes. You are either a fellow believer, and a brother in Christ, and can come to a fellow Christian, letting them know that they hurt you, or you can place yourself up on the Cross and make yourself a victim.

            It is disheartening to see a brother in Christ claim to be caring and non judgmental, while judging me.

            I have gay friend and family members that I love very much. We have something that is lacking in this forum and that is mutual respect for different views.

          • wingramm77

            I (and most Atheist I know) have many wonderful Christian friends and family members. In fact, most of my personal experience with religion and the religious have been wonderful.

            I know it gets lost in the rubble of social media debate and argument but when it comes down to it we (atheists) don’t really have a bad image of Christians in general and we know that bad apples like hadenough57 can spoil the bunch….we have our own. We may mock beliefs and religion but mainly because we came from the background and for many of us it’s a healthy outlet to do so. In the end we just want to get along with those capable of getting along.

          • Kevin Chval

            I certainly agree with you that both sides have their bad apples for sure. It is just a shame that the only examples of any religion or non-religion tends to be the extremes because extremes sell.

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Look, every religious person is not a mean, hateful, ball of fecal matter. But many if not most of the fundamentalist ones are. Every religion that asserts its god and dogma above the good of humanity tends towards that.

        • hadenough57

          I can give you many examples that islam is a religion of hate. That you were educated is obvious. Indoctrination seems to have been successful wherever you went to school. Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back kevin. You are wrong on all accounts, and just another self righteous hypocrite!

          Allah says: “We also (sent) Lût:
          he said to his people: “Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in
          creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men
          in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond
          bounds” [Sûrah al-A`râf: 80-81]

          “Whomever you find doing the act of Lût’s nation, then kill both parties.” [Sunan al-Tirmidhî]

          • Some Guy

            Leviticus 20:13

            “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a
            woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put
            to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.”

            hadenough57, looks like the Christian religion is a religion of hate, too. :)

          • hadenough57

            Sg, show me one Christian that has beheaded a homosexual.

            Phil Robinson made the mistake of saying he didn’t understand how a man can lay with a man, and he is viciously attacked for his belief.

            While Louis Farrakhan has called for the beheading of gays , and obama calls him a hero and liberals laud him for his courage.

            People like you are only tolerant as long as everyone supports and agrees with your view point. Otherwise, it’s name calling as usual. So we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

          • Some Guy

            Does Louis Farrakhan represent all those who practice Islam? I think not. When you say that Islam is a religion of hate based on the actions of some of the individuals backed with a scriptural reference, you err. I shared the passage from Leviticus to show you that.

            And, name calling? People like me? First, I never called you any names and second, you know nothing about me and my views.

          • hadenough57

            Ditto sg!

          • Some Guy

            No, not ditto. I never claimed to know you and your views. You are the only here claiming to know “my type”. You’re pretty bad at this aren’t you?

          • Dirk Durka

            “show me one Christian that has beheaded a homosexual” — Are you restricting that challenge to events in the 21st century or are you just being ironic?

    • hadenough57

      I have seen no one being disrespectful to gays, but many like you meredith, being insulting to Christians.

      Here’s a thought, when you dare stand up and tell the real religion of hate, islam, that they are bad for beheading gays, then you can stand there in all of your self righteous glory and deny Christ, while judging, others because people do not conform to “your” idea of what a Christian should accept! HYPOCRITE!

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        Yes, gays being told they are going to hell, contributing (if not directly responsible for) the ills of society, and that they are incapable of meaningful loving relationships isn’t slightly rude, disrespectful, or insulting in the slightest.

        • hadenough57

          Really byroniac. Where in these post did you see any of that? I could care less about peoples sex life, irregardless if they are gay, bi sexual, or heterosexual! I am not their judge, God is. If you have a problem with God, then I suggest you take it up with Him!

          I do not need nor do I want a smug, glorified humanist that thinks I should stow what I believe, because it is unpopular with the masses!

          • Guest

            God….the ultimate scapegoat.

          • Cynthia Ray

            Atheism the ultimate scape goat. You get to come up with your own moral code. (often based closely on what people whom you consider good and moral do and say or on whom people you have come to disrespect said and did that you dont want to do) You get to believe you are a good, moral and just person as long as you follow the moral code you believe is correct and condemn every one else as judgmental bigots if they disagree with you.
            Christianity. the acceptance that we are all sinners. That we know and accept that we are no better or worse then our piers. That Jesus died on the cross for our sins and the sins of others. We acknowledge that we dont get to make the rules. We can judge and acknowledge right from wrong but not the hearts of others that is for God.
            you see where the real scapegoat is? If we all evolved from chance. then we are all accidents. If we are all accidents of evolution what makes your claim of what i can and cant judge valid anyhow. playing devil’s advocate here, You are an accidental biproduct of your parents physical pleasure and there parents before them. Your thoughts are accidental and invalid if we have all evolved based on survival of the fittest and ect then there is nothing wrong with people killing gays. they were just an accident anyhow, right? what about Jews? Black slaves? I mean what is really wrong with that. they were an evolutionary coincident, right?
            FOR THE RECORD I SEE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH KILLING GAYS, Jews or blacks. just making a point.

          • wingramm77

            God…the ultimate Scapegoat.

            “NO..it’s not me, its God’s fault!!! He told me to think that!!!!”

          • hadenough57

            Really, winggramm, when did I say that? I am not the one that wrote the bible or the one that decided what is a sin. God did. I do not agree with the gay lifestyle, but personally, I could care less what they do in their bedroom.

          • wingramm77

            You literally just did it again

          • hadenough57

            Yes, God is the one that makes the rules. So if you are saying that He is a scape goat, then that is your opinion.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            If you are against legalizing homosexual marriage (actually permitting homosexuals to share in the institution of marriage, as marriage itself should not require a sexual orientation), then you DO care what they do in their bedroom, and to claim otherwise is dishonest.

          • Cynthia Ray

            wait a person is physically incapable of having sex outside of a judges/justice of the peace/ect’s go ahead. Wow. no way. I thought there was this thing called, premarital sex. which massive amounts of Americans seem to be enjoying. As if these people were not already having sex. Hmm. Interesting.
            two consenting ADULTS can do what ever they want in their bedroom. They dont have to have a paper from the government saying their are legally united for the rest of their life. While my opinion is that man and woman who have been married under God. I dont care what consenting adults do in privacy. I dont have to agree with it.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Mastered the finer points of sarcasm, you have not. Are you simply incapable of seeing and appreciating the incongruity of your last two sentences? “I dont care what consenting adults do in privacy. I dont have to agree with it.” Please, choose one, if for no other reason than the sake of consistency.

          • Cynthia Ray

            There is no need to pick one you hypocritical Bigot. You dont have to agree with everything a person does to not care what they actually are doing. I dont agree with homosexual sex. But i dont care if some one does it in their own bedroom. Maybe your mind is to simple to understand that. I dont like public school systems. I see lots of problems with them. But i dont care if other parents choose to send their children to them. It is not my place to make decisions for other people whether I agree with them or not. I just want to be left alone to make my own decisions. I homeschool my children. I dont care if you dont like that I homeschool. Just leave me be to do it because it is not your business. I breastfed my toddler. I dont care if you dont like that i do so. just leave me be to do so. You can disagree with something someone does and not care enough to bother them about it. But i guess some one who cant accept that there are people who believe different then him and live a different life style is to simple to understand that. You people have gone past wanting to be treated as humans and now want every one to agree with you as well. We dont have to agree with you to love you. But i imagine that is a difficult concept for a judgmental close minded individual as yourself.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Thank you for calling me a bigot and a judgmental closed-minded individual, for by doing so you are conceding that you have no argument or defense against my assertions, which I presumed was likely from the very start. Too, you insist on speaking paradoxically, by first saying, “I dont agree with homosexual sex” then by saying, “But i dont care if some one does it in their own bedroom”. So you assert A and not-A equally, which is logically incoherent. So which is it? Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You seek to soften your language by saying you do not “agree” with homosexual sex, when the acts of sexual activity do not involve you in any way and you have no relationship to most of those for which this is actually relevant. Then you have the audacity to assert that you disagree with it, as if your opinion should not only matter but take higher precedence than their own opinion about their own bodies. And then you condescendingly dismiss my disagreement as the product of my simple mind, which I find to be projection on your part. I will not leave you alone to do any of the activities you mentioned because living in this country, I cannot, even indirectly, because I believe in teaching children the difference between right and wrong, and not just in morality but in all areas of human knowledge and pursuit of understanding. You do not own your kids. You do not have a right to close out legitimate science and philosophy to your children simply because you do not like them. And unsurprisingly, we as a society have passed laws against that very thing because religious convictions such as faith-based healing which eschews modern medicine is actually harmful to the children subjected to it and therefore to society at large. And if you were one of those who encouraged faith-based healing at the expense of valid medicine, or if you display anti-vaccination tendencies towards your children, then society has a duty and a privilege to protect your own children from you. And it has been, and it will continue to do so.

          • Cynthia Ray

            You must live in a different country then I do. Because my right has been legally protected time and time again to not vaccinate my children. Which I do not by the way. To use essential oils, elderberry, herbal teas and other natural remedies instead of antibiotics, which i do by the way. My kids and I have been DIRECTLY exposed to the flu over and over and over again this season. I mean I have done nursery at church holdng and upset baby for 2 hours and then had the parents take the child to urgent care after Church to find out they had the flu and not gotten it. but the children who have gotten it. Are vaccinated children. I have several times cured ear infections with natural remedies instead of antibiotics. I keep us well enough to not need medication. We dont use tylenol for fevers we use FRESH pineapple to lower but not get rid of the fever. I am not one of the “extremists” who never use modern medication. I use the word extremist lightly. As i see your blind faith in the billion dollar pharmaceutical industry as extreme.
            You have selective reading skills. Must be common for liberals. because after calling you a close minded bigot. I explained my point. But you are to close minded to understand it. All you are capable of seeing is that i disagree with something so I must care what goes on in private space.
            If you live in California, Germany or some place like that I could see why you may think my right to homeschool is non existent. But I assure you it is. I dont have to teach my children about evolution. But i will also teach them the correct questions to ask so they can see right through it. I grew up in a public school in a Liberal home and was brainwashed with all the lies. It wasnt until I questioned it that i realized it is all a lie to make liberals feel like they are living a good and decent life style. It gives them permission to judge other people based on what society says is good and bad. Society says child molestation is wrong (which it is) and a decent person wouldnt do that. So i can judge them as bad people. But i dont have to judge myself as bad for having sex with 100 people and potentially spreading gonorrhea on the way (overall i dont think a person is bad for having sex with 100 people. I dont agree with it but i dont think it is bad. If i were to invent my own scale of good and bad Child molesters/rapists would be on the worst side of the spectrum and people who slept around alot would probably be around the same as rolling through a stop sign but i dont get to choose things like that it is not my place.)
            So while I do not have to teach my children about evolution at all I will anyhow. Because I want them to have a well rounded grasp of the world and what the people in it believe.
            I can understand there is a difference between not caring and disagreeing with the act in and of itself because i see a separation between an act and a person. I dont agree with stealing. But I wouldnt exactly care if a poor single mother of 3 picked up an apple to steal it off the shelf of a walmart. I would probably offer to pay for it for her and buy her as many groceries as i could afford her then take her to the food bank and clothes closet at my church and get her some more stuff if she still needed it. I would likely let her know she should becareful about stealing for her own spiritual health. You sir are the one who judges. Obviously if you think disagreeing with something means casting judgement on a person you are unable to disagree with a person with out also casting judgement upon them. Your mind (and heart) would have to be closed off to not understand that a person can disagree with a person with out looking at them as some kind of degenerate. I have several gay and bisexual friends. One of my best friends is Bisexual. We have been friends since High school and I love her dearly. She has also had an abortion. An act I have a severe problem with. But she understands I love her very much. She knows my heart. She knows I dont judge her. Because she is open minded enough to understand the difference. You, sir, are not.
            Most of my friends do things I disagree with. I have several friends who vaccinate, thereby putting my children at risk of catching the genetically altered live virus in the live vaccines. Look it up. many of the out breaks that have happened may have been largely unvaccinated children but the strain that started it was a mutated version from the vaccine. Many of my friends public school thereby putting my children in the position of having to work with people who dont know pearl harbor was a real event as an adult (because the schools are now concerned that teaching children about this would cause discrimination against Asian children. No joke) I could go on on the lack of education public school children are getting but i will digress. I have many friends who teach their children that Gay relations are ok and should be encouraged. It is not my job as a citizen to control how other people parent their children. It is my job as a parent to help my children understand the truth and then how to live cooperatively and peacefully with people who live differently then them.
            For the record my five year old (who is not yet eligible for kindergarten because of his birthday) can read at a first grade level. explain the solor system, earth’s rotation, moon cycles and ect to public schooled first graders who still didnt understand why it gets dark at night. count way past 300 and count by tens and fives and apply it correctly. He understands details like sea horses are actually a kind of fish. He acknowledges math concepts fifth graders dont get completely unprompted. My Homeschooled five year old is getting a much better education then what he would be getting in the over crowded, test consumed public school system. You people call us intolerant of other life styles yet you form judgements on complete strangers and whether or not a certain life style should have it’s children taken away based on incomplete information.
            I dont suggest gays shouldnt be able to raise their children. As a matter of fact i am ok with Gay adoption. Those children need to be loved by some one. as long as they are not being abused i see no problem with them being loved by a Gay couple.
            So get your close minded bigoted self out of my right to make medical decisions for my child and educational decisions for my child because i am completely capable of handling them myself. If you guys continue to attack my right to parent my Child i will go after yours. Because I am going to vote for politicians who will protect me. Come up with a candidate who will protect both our rights and i will vote for him. In the mean time I am going to vote for the candidates who protect homeschooling, churches, religious businesses and a parent’s right to make medical decisions. I will not vote for a politician who supports legal gay marriage but does not support the complete freedom for me to make the educational decisions for my family.

          • Dirk Durka

            Hahaha did you just imply that California is in a different country than the USA? Awesome.

          • Cynthia Ray

            No. Must be another one of those people with selective reading skills. But California has ridiculous homeschooling laws. Not as bad as Germany’s but still if he lived in some place like California or Germany I could see why he would believe i dont have the right to homeschool my child.

          • Cynthia Ray

            It appears Byroniac is not the only one with selective reading skills. No California isnt in a different country. The different country remark was make when pointing out vaccine decision rights. When Discussing Homeschooling I lumped California in with Germany because California’s homeschool laws are overly restrictive.

          • Cynthia Ray

            Though the behavior and legislation of those areas make me wish they were a different country

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            I don’t have a problem with God. I don’t even have his phone number. I’d settle for a good email address, in fact. But you are welcome to your opinions, and me to mine, but how you handle honest constructive criticism of your religion is far more telling than your assertions of devotion to your chosen deity.

      • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

        The fundamentalist Muslims are late to the party. Christians were torturing people on the rack, burning witches alive, and the like, long before Fundamentalist Islam really got its advertising department up to par. Allahu Snackbar!!!!

        • hadenough57

          Wow, more talking points from the uninformed. By, heard it all before, just more liberal bs from another purveyor of bs. Try again, you just fell short.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            It is possible that if you researched it for yourself, the necessity of constantly repeating it to you verbally would be greatly lessened.

          • Paul Furling

            Jesus wasn’t into politics. Heads up.

      • meredith

        If I’m a hypocrite for judging people who don’t conform to my idea of Christianity, what are you?

  • Tim

    Our culture has decended and cannot survive. Is there anyone who can doubt that if we were to turn our faces back to God we’d be better off? How could we not?

    • james ronalds

      Despite the millions praying for it, god hasnt given the cure for cancer. Only science can. So why sit idly by begging someone else to fix our problems for us when we are capable of fixing them ourselves? Its not faith, its laziness, and fear. Fear of the unknown and fear of what happens if we dont believe. And by believing we miss out on many of the earths natural joys and we lose sight of what actually matters in this world. So instead of looking to a thousand year old book to fix your problems..be a man and step up and do it yourself. And btw.. im a Christian by choice and a minister who preaches at 17 churches in the Pittsburgh pa area and I’ve studied the bible for 58 years and Im sure that god does not expect us to be this lazy. Praying and faith is important.but so is living your own life, not the churches life.

      • Micheleh

        There is no one “THE” cure for cancer. Cancer is a catch-all term for a group of very different diseases. Some of them are pretty close to curable right now. Others, we still have a long way to go.

      • Cynthia Ray

        meanwhile aborting more then a million babies a year who may have been able to find “a cure for cancer”

        • james ronalds

          Meanwhile forcing women who were raped to give birth to a bastard child who could have grown to be the next hitler. Your argument works both ways you know.

          • JoAnna

            A child is NOT to blame for the sin of the father. Increase the punishment for rape and treat it like the awful crime it is, but don’t cast aspersions on the child, or view him or her as less worthy of the right to life because of the tragedy surrounding their conception.

      • Applnokr

        I never said anything about cancer
        or sitting back and waiting for someone else to answer our problems through
        prayer. I believe that God does help
        those who help themselves but our actions are wasted without God’s
        assistance. Our efforts are for
        nothing. I was addressing the fact that
        our culture has degraded much as it did during Jeremiah’s time and so many
        other times through Biblical history. Our culture has become lazy seeking to
        avoid personal responsibility for personal decisions. We put the financial burden of unhealthy
        lifestyles on anyone but ourselves. We kill innocent 3rd parties (babies)
        to protect our bad sexual choices or “remedy” rape and incest (only compounds
        it with abortion syndrome). We
        financially burden society in general with our choice to engage in unrestrained
        sexual activity and I don’t speak only of standard STDs. Sodomy causes hepatitis. Oral sex causes oropharyngeal cancer from HPV. Homosex gives us AIDS. We seek govt control
        over our lives and freedom even after all such examples in history have led to
        failure. We have become lazy indeed
        electing legislators who promote deficit spending and have bankrupted
        ourselves. We owe $170,000 (X 10
        to the 8th), Spend $38,000/yr (x 10 to the 8th), earn $22,000/yr (x 10 to the
        8th) and not only can we no longer pay off the debt but don’t even intend to. Debt service has now all but consumed our
        annual budget such that we can no longer defend ourselves, but more
        importantly, we lack the will to defend ourselves. We can’t even justify our own existence. Your reference to the Bible as a thousand
        year old book is a bit casual for someone who believes it is the inspired word
        of God. I suspect you are an “ex-Christian”
        and “minister” or at least struggling. Let me try to give you something that
        may help you believe. The Bible has great wisdom in it that predates its
        time. It has predicted great things
        throughout time. Daniel showed Cyrus the
        Great 150 year old documents that laid out the history of his entire life from
        his improbable birth and rise to power to his vast conquests. He was so impressed he release the Hebrew
        slaves (unheard of in those times) to return and rebuild the Temple. It predicted the triumphal entry of Jesus the
        Messiah occurring exactly 173,880 days after the decree of Cyrus the Great (see
        Sir Robert Anderson’s work). The Bible
        has also recorded facts that science has only recently been able to confirm
        such as the existence of 10 dimensions. Maimonides
        and Nahmanides of the 12th and 13th centuries speculated
        on space-time in ways that sounded very much like Einstein and Hawking
        today. Based purely on their study of
        Genesis, they concluded that there are 10 dimensions, 4 of which are
        comprehendable and 6 of which are not.
        Today, tensor calculus and particle accelerators have demonstrated that
        there are at least 10 dimensions confirming Genesis as extrapolated by Maimonides
        and Nahmanides. The
        Bible describes the earth as being circular and hanging in space or a void. God’s law does indeed give us a better way to live than what we have thought of from our own limited circumspect. It may seem harsh to take evil persons to the gates of the city and stone them, the alternative seems to cause much much more pain and suffering than what was avoided. While the Bible may seem to limit our freedom in ways we do not understand, as a look upon those who have abandoned God’s laws I see people in great distress and self destructive patterns. Consider some poor soul dying of AIDS because he was seduced into the eclectic fad of homosex. Consider America as a corporate body bankrupting itself because we don’t wish to say “no” to ourselves. We want what we have not earned. This is NOT God’s values. The AIDS victim has lost his freedom and happiness. It seems more and more evident that as we depart from God’s law (teaching, values, – whatever noun makes you more comfortable) the results are
        impossible to deny. We have resorted to relativism to negate reality itself. It is much like our pets which we “restrain” on a leash or pen. They want out and do not understand what we do. Is it not for their own good? Are they not better off under our restraint? That is not to say anyones’ restraint, but that thousand year old book HAS been around a thousand years for a reason. In Gamaliel’s counsel with respect to Christianity: Consider carefully what you do. If Christianity is a machination of
        men, it will be overthrown. But if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow and you may even be found fighting against God Himself (see Psalm 2). While we may not understand God’s reasoning, our faith is rewarded when we obey, at least in this life because of the proven wisdom of it. When we disobey, our lives
        are ruined. Some refer to this process as “God’s Judgment” and it is in a governance sense, although I would relate with more contemporary terminology like “cause and effect”. God’s law is
        necessary to a happy life (in this life). Honesty, brotherhood, and personal responsibility have always been taught in the Bible. If we as a people employed these values with regularity (we still do but to a declining extent) we would not need to regulate our neighbors’ actions as much (read that allow us more freedom). When I said turn our faces back toward God, I meant that we as a culture can still turn things around though we have done
        much damage to ourselves. I believe that our self help is without efficacy if done in contravention to God’s law, but I do not believe we should do nothing about cancer.

  • jen

    I just dont understand why they would go in the first place. Did they really not know what was going to happen at the grammys…..

    • roller22

      I would not have known the Grammys’ would be this bad, this perverted. It is supposed to be an awards show.

      • jen

        obviously its an awards show but every awards show for the past 5 years has some kind of controversial performance, unless you’ve been living under a rock, its kind of expected.

        • Cynthia Ray

          I have never watched any of the award shows. Ever. When I was young it was just because i enjoyed reading over TV. And even now it is largely because i enjoy spending time with my family more then being a zombie infront of the tv. However I do know i dont listen to popular music so why do i care who won most popular song. I had no idea the Grammy’s had gotten so bad. I thought people who got upset at Miley’s performance on what ever that was on MTV was silly. It is MTV what did they think it was going to show. However, I can imagine, that there are many people who haven’t been to a Grammy’s in a while who may not have been fully aware of the content. I would not have expected Miley’s performance with the MTV thing and i knew MTV was something i didnt want to watch. I just simply choose not to watch or participate in things like that.

  • Lindamaeb
  • Brenda Harris

    It was not judgement, it was probably not even standing up for the Gospel, though that is fine. It was probably fatigue and pain. According to God’s Word, these performers are probably going to hell. That makes Christians sad. It is hard to watch. It is exhausting. Think of a teacher watching one of her students descend into drug addiction and you might be able to relate… a little.

    • Mr. Copland

      Yeah, saying they’re going to Hell isn’t judgmental at all… it’s not like someone else is supposed to make that decision, like, you know, God or something…
      Do you even realize how much you contradict yourself within 5 sentences?

      • Edward Lindeman

        Don’t know where you’re really coming from regarding your comment, but consider for a minute the choice that was made in lieu of an open protest based solely on their personal views. Consider for a moment that there was no lashing out as you did toward Brenda. Many of us do believe that our choices should be God-based…because of our faith. One could say that your comments are somewhat conflicting to your lashing out about being judgmental.

        • Mr. Copland

          Saying that someone is going to Hell is about as judgmental as it gets. I mean, seriously, what’s more judgmental than saying “You’re going to burn and suffer for an eternity!”? I don’t tolerate that sort of approach, and ironically enough neither did Jesus. My response to Brenda was appropriate. I never wished ill towards her, though she apparently desires the very worst for others.

      • lauriebeth

        Hmmm, we know by reading man’s laws that if you murder, steal, etc, there will be consequences (judgment). You’ll go to prison, jail, or get probation. Are we judging by saying that? Of course not, it’s the law and we know it and can state it. Why is it if Christians state God’s law and consequences of breaking (read the word, it tells you who will and will not make heaven – Galatians 5:19-21), we are then judging? God is the only judge. Stating what His word says does not mean people are judging!

        • Mr. Copland

          Where did she state his word? She made assumptions about God’s will, then made an offensive analogy to drug addiction in the most judgmental way possible. Sorry, that’s not OK. Get over yourselves.

          • lauriebeth

            like I said, if you’d read His word, you’d know it’s not “assumptions”. Read the verses I mentioned.

          • Mr. Copland

            Where did God say “Thou shalt not gyrate on stage or thou shalt go to Hell”?

    • wingramm77

      uhhhhg……relating some lame music performances and a few same-sex couples being married to drug addiction????

      …….and that’s why the rest of the rational world is fatigued, pained, and exhausted watching “Christians” spout your type of unmitigated nonsense.

    • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

      If she actually believed people are going to hell, then why isn’t she doing more to inform them of that fact? Their own reception or rejection of that is less important than the truth itself. Many Christians today focus on being loving and non-judgmental, when, if the Gospel is actually true, that is not even the point.

      • tech_guy

        Ah the “non-judgmental” rears it’s amusing head again. Byroniac, realize that judging displayed behavior that you personally find offensive is not a bad thing. Being “loving and non-judgmental” to displayed behaviors you find offensive is not loving…it is saying the behavior is ok. Are you bothered by the fact that some people do not like some of these behaviors and dare to say so?

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          No, in fact, I’m bothered by the hypocrisy of NOT doing so when your own Bible teaches you to do so, teaching the opposite, and refusing to suffer the consequences of faithfully obeying the Scriptural norms for morality and legislation. Why aren’t we putting people to death today for eating shellfish? Or picking up sticks on Saturday. Or for blaspheming God? And some Christians, such as Douglas Wilson, I believe, actually support some of these things, because, and not in spite of, Scripture, since it’s actually in there and divinely encouraged to be obeyed and stuff. What I want even more is for people to realize that the Bible is not inerrant, is not a particularly good guide for morality in all of its precepts, though it remains an awesome product of literature and has some incredibly good things contained within its pages. In short, I don’t mind someone criticizing my own beliefs, if they can provide credible evidence for doing so. However, being human, I’m not always open to criticism when I should be. Be that as it may, I respect truth and objectivity much more than dogma and emotion-based reasoning like found in religious faith.

          • JoAnna

            There is a simple answer to your question about shellfish, and if you have seriously studied the Bible you should know it is not a hidden one. The New Testament sets forth a new covenant and that is what Christians today are living under. The laws about shellfish, working on the Sabbath, etc. were given by God to a specific people at a specific time (Israel, and from Moses until the coming of Christ) and had a specific purpose: illustrate the holiness of God, the need for separation from evil, and also the biggie: the keeping of moral laws alone, even such stringent ones, cannot eliminate sin in the heart. Thus people were directed toward the need of Christ’s death on their behalf.

            I have to say that I agree with you that many Christians proclaim that they believe people are going to hell, yet do not seem to be truly concerned enough to tell them that in a loving manner (cussing someone out is NOT that), like you would if you saw smoke coming out of your neighbor’s house — it would be really loving to just let it burn down with him in it because it would be too harsh to knock on the door and tell him it’s on fire, right? (sarcasm)

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            I am aware of theology. But I do not believe the real answer is quite so simple as you propose. There are denominations of Christians today who would disagree with you over the dietary laws, as well as over other matters of the 613 commandments given by God. Now, I am not a Christian, so I lack any real authority to say that Christianity brand X (such as yours) is wrong and should be done according to Christianity brand Y. I am simply an outsider and an observer. It is my opinion as a former adherent that Christianity is fatally flawed.

          • JoAnna

            The vast majority of those who hold core Christian beliefs do agree that such things as the dietary laws and ceremonial laws (sacrifices, etc) should no longer be followed. Where there is a division is, There are those who believe that only the laws/principles repeated in the New Testament should be followed, while others believe that all should apply except those specifically repealed. Either way, the dietary laws are not in force, and (going a bit off topic) prohibitions against homosexuality remain. (I’m adding that last, a pile of tinder next to a match I know, because usually arguments against the validity of homosexuality being forbidden go hand-in-hand with shellfish references!)

            While I do believe that true Christians hold many more beliefs in common than they do in divergence, and am proud to call myself a Christian, I do not do so because of any other person calling themselves the same. I am proud to do so because of Christ. I pray you will not close your heart against Him, because He and not I or any other professed believer is the Hope of the world.

          • JoAnna

            Oh, and by the way, I’ve read many of your comments throughout this thread. While we certainly have different beliefs, I wanted to say that I can tell you put more thought and wit into your comments than many. That’s worth commending, and I hope you won’t be terribly offended if I say that I will pray for you tonight. Believing as I do, that is my way of wanting the best for you.

      • Desertcatn

        Why cast pearls to swine? It’s wasted time and money and the swine get annoyed!

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Finally! Someone who appreciates Matthew 7:6. (applause)

          • Desertcatn

            There is no getting past the symbolism, that Beyonce displays in her jewelry choices. Also, Mr. and Mrs. Carter, putting on that display and her twerking in a thong; it’s a shame there are so many little girls who look up to Beyonce, not to mention their daughter.

            When did acting like trash, become sexy and entertaining for a general audience? Anyway, many will say to pray for people like Beyonce, but it is her little girl fans and daughter that I pray for, Beyonce is making her own bed.

      • Falling Paz

        36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
        37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
        38This is the first and great commandment.
        39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
        40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.- Mathew 22:36-40

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Yes, you know the Scriptures good. And more importantly, you demonstrate that the authors of the Scriptures were aware of at least the concept of love. Now read some more, and see how they defined loving God and loving man. Of particular interest are all the stonings, condemnations to hell, divinely sent diseases and demon possession, and the like. Love is a very complicated subject which requires a lot of Scriptural research in order to adequately define. So, you appear to be prepared for further study in this matter.

          • Falling Paz

            Indeed. Scriptures are filled with messages that are very hard to understand at first glance. Thank you. A light bulb just turned on, and that means study. God bless you and may you spread his word accurately and true. Your comment will be overlooked by some and will cause irate on others, but blessings to those who understand and are drawn to His Love because of it.

    • roller22

      Well said.

  • Kevin Chval

    I don’t see how her actions or this article for that matter are redemptive. How does this show the love of Christ to the broken? We can point at culture all we want and yell about how messed up it is but in doing so we are completely ignoring the greater issue. The fact is, the messed up culture we have today is SYMPTOMATIC of the brokenness many deal with today. People turn to pleasure and sex and addiction to deal with their brokenness, the result being messed up culture. However, the way to combat a culture we don’t agree with is not with judgement or hate. It is with love and outreached arms. Christ never called us to judge, but what he did call us to is to love. To spend our time not among the saved, but with the broken, the hurt, the sinners. That’s exactly how he lived his life. That is his model of ministry and it should be ours as well

    • Mr. Copland

      What’s wrong with pleasure and sex?

      • Kevin Chval

        Pleasure and sex are not wrong in the proper context, just to clarify. However, pleasure and sex as portrayed by the world is not how God intended it. It is a result of our brokenness that it has taken on these imperfect attributes.

        • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

          Yeah, sex and pleasure absolutely must not be sought or performed independently. The Biblical god requires control and pre-authorization, as well as having all the relevant paperwork properly filled out in legible fashion in advance. Not having your paperwork in proper order beforehand is seriously stressful, believe you me.

        • wingramm77

          “proper context”? A lot of people don’t believe, and therefore, don’t care what “god intended”…if you believe it then live YOUR life under those rules but stop acting like what you believe has any influence on anything or anyone else.

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            Love your comment. Seriously.

        • Cait

          I know that this may be a huge concept to you but Christianity is not the only “true” word to believe in and, in a world where every one is free to practice whatever religion they figure is necessary in life, which includes atheism as well as other religions, you do not have a right to indict anyone other than yourself to what is “broken” and what is not. I am sorry that other people’s right to explore their self expression/morality/individualism compromised your thoughts on religion or morality but you do not have the right to dictate what others should find as offensive or not. Art does not have to follow your status quote of Christianity. No one is forcing you to these morally compromised and broken people. These gospel people walked when they like they had to and I suggest you do the same without condemning people who do not believe the same things you do.

      • roller22

        It is meant to be appreciated in private, not on a stage.

        • Mr. Copland

          Did someone have sex on stage at the Grammy’s!?!?! Damn, I missed it…

          • http://byroniac.wordpress.com/ Byroniac

            LMAO!

      • tech_guy

        Depends on where, why and what I suppose. Next time write a bit more if you are being clever please. You have it in you… write a bit more.

        • Mr. Copland

          Er… thanks for the motivation?

    • tech_guy

      Would you leave the room at a dirty joke or sexual pun? If you would then you get why she left. If you’d stay to put up with it with no speaking then you explicitly say “that’s ok”.

      • Kevin Chval

        Not true. She had the opportunity to be Christ to others. It was a ministry opportunity. It is the same thing if you work with at risk youth. You will be exposed to cussing, you will be cussed out, you will have students have sex in the bathrooms, but you don’t just leave. You show them the love of Christ.

    • Norm Betland

      Wrong, Christ did tell us to judge. We are supposed to judge what is good and what is bad? How can you maintain physical health if you do not judge between good food and bad? Even more, how can you maintain spiritual health if you do not judge between good and bad moral actions? We cannot judge so far as to say that someone will burn in hell, but we certainly can say that this act or that act is good or bad. Jesus never told us to beat around the bush and he definitely said that to be lukewarm would get us cast into hell.

      And since when is calling sin “sin” mean that you hate someone. All these secularists who think that being a Christian is about being nice and accepting people for who they are need to take a look at the gospel again. It is about compassion, but it is about leaving sin behind and being the person God wants you to be, not the person you want to be.

      Lastly for all of you people who say “don’t judge”…look in the mirror and STOP JUDGING OTHERS FOR JUDGING OTHERS!

      • Desertcatn

        Thank you, Norm, couldn’t have said it better!

    • JoAnna

      To fix something that is broken one must needs first point out that it is broken. Smiling like everything is ok and lending tacit approval to something that one believes is sinful and degraded does not show love, it shows a false front and cowardice. Love should be honest — not self-righteous, but it needs to be truthful. Calling sin “sin” is not unloving if it is done humbly.

  • Amy463

    If her viewpoint is that conservative then it was better for the happy couples that she left. Best of luck to them all.

  • bob

    Thank you Natalie and Bernie for standing up for decency. I am sure you have received condemnation for not being hip but your reward is of a higher nature. God bless you both.

  • Eliot

    Everyone has a right to their opinions and beliefs and I believe
    strongly in protecting everyone’s right to free speech.

    You understand the ‘risks’ when you watch shows as ridiculous as the grammys….

    However, selling
    Christian or Secular music to the public and profiting off of it while accepting award
    nominations (and then rejecting the entire system at the very last
    minute on personal beliefs/prejudices/fear of rejection) does not make
    you a Christian to respect or admire. I am ashamed of what Christianity
    has become and how it judges people more than the secular media does.

    Reading everyone’s comments here helps me understand why so many are afraid of even exploring Christianity.

    Turn a cheek. Love. Forgive. Become the Example you Expect others to be.

    Move on.

    • tech_guy

      Do the artists know 100% of what’s going to be displayed at the Grammy’s before they attend? Yes or no? If they don’t know then they (just like you) could get surprised or offended. At that point you decide what level of distaste you personally will put up with.

      She did, she left. Your example is not relevant. This is not a “what Christianity has become”, sorry not relevant to this one performer deciding to leave in a tasteful manner.

      • Eliot

        I stopped watching the grammys around 10 years ago when it become blatantly obvious what was going to be shown every year…. But heres to positive thinking for next year!

        Maybe I wont be shocked and offended by what I see. In fact… maybe it will give me more ammunition to attack people with . ;)

        • tech_guy

          LOL Elliot, I was watching Food Network, it was much more fun.

        • Amanda Davis Reeves

          Dude, you missed Paul and Ringo together! I watch for the fashions or lack thereof, the music, and the people in the audience trying to dance and sing

      • Belo

        Do you really believe that at her age she never watched at least once the grammys and that she did’nt about this?

    • Paul Furling

      Could not have put it better myself.

  • patty mossing

    What was she expecting????? Did Jesus set out to be in church all day? No, he mingled with the world and shared the love of God. Natalie knew what she was in for and either could have stayed home or stayed and loved on everyone. Just because you stay doesn’t mean you are compromising your faith if you understand how God has sent us into the world, not to pass judgement, but to share the love that comes from God. Leaving the event could actually hurt her reputation among her peers as stuck up and full of judgement.

    • debsaid

      I doubt it will hurt her reputation. By leaving she was simply showing she did not want to participate in such an event. We are called to be in the world, yes, but not to participate in its deeds. She shares the love of God everyday, she doesn’t have to be subjected to all that crap to do it.

      • patty mossing

        Did she go to make a statement? Does this statement turn a lot of not-yet-Christians off or alienate them? Who is she called to reach out too? Who is her calling? Personally, I think Jesus would have stayed and reached out and loved people, tried to make connections for later discussions…..My opinion is I disagree with her exit.

        • tech_guy

          Patty have you ever left a movie that you didn’t like or was offensive? She made the right call, she left and didn’t make a negative comment except very indirectly. Very tasteful and the fact that you are offended I’m more than puzzled at.

          • Amanda Davis Reeves

            I left an unacceptable movie a few times….While I do enjoy secular as well as Christian Music, I’m glad Miss Grant had the decency to leave without causing a problem, and stayed silent and did not judge, at least publicly. I believe in Christ as my savior and my father in heaven. But I am not perfect, and kinda enjoyed the show, except for Beyonce and Jayz attempting to procreate in front of the world.

    • Falling Paz

      I do not see how in any way she passed judgment on anyone, but evaluated what was the best course of action for her and her husband as a Christian family. Everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial. Just because Jesus spent His time with sinners so that they may hear the word and know God, does not mean that we should hang out or put our selves in the middle of satan worshipers while they do all of their rituals for the people to see: neither public nor hidden. And about her reputation part; it is not about what the world thinks of you but about your relationship with the Holy God almighty. And this is not compromising faith but knowing where you stand. I should not put in jeopardy my relationship with my Father to make YOU or THEM happy. Hopefully the Holy Spirit spoke to her at that moment and she decided her action accordingly. Remember Joseph and the Pharaoh’s wife? He could have done something that would have added to him favors, but instead he chose to do the “right” thing. I pray that the wisdom of God enters the mind of Christians and non Christians and that the grace of God be with you all.

  • Angela

    You cannot judge someone because you are not god. He is the only judge. Real Christians pray for lost souls we do not condemn, slander or brew hat