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Charlie Delta with Bundy

Below is what a black Marine has to say about the Clive Bundy comment.

 

The media distorts information to the point of social division. This is a photo of myself and the resilient, often charismatic, and maybe not so tactful Cliven Bundy. He’s a cowboy and a helluva family man, not an orator. One thing he definitely isn’t – a racist. I found his comments to not only be NOT racist, but his own view of his experiences. Who the heck are we to determine another man’s perspective on the world around him?! Just because Picasso’s view of the world was abstract, does it negate the fact that his art was genuine? Furthermore, if you take the time to do your own research, you’ll find that his statements about some black Americans actually hold weight. He posed a hypothetical question. He said, “I wonder IF” … Hell, I’m black and I often wonder about the same about the decline of the black family. Bottom line is that we are all slaves in this waning republic, no matter our skin color. Mr. Bundy could have used any racial demographic as an example: Native Americans on reservations, whites in trailer parks, etc. He noticed the crippling effects of receiving government “assistance” and the long term result of accepting handouts. It’s not progress at all. I challenge Sean Hannity, Rand Paul, and others to read my comment and reconsider their position in this matter. Individual liberties are at stake here, yours and mine. THAT is the issue. Don’t let the liberal media and ignoramuses like Glenn Beck and that weasel Harry Reid make you lose sight of the real issue here: The federal government is a burgeoning behemoth and a bully on a once constitutional playground.I sincerely hope you real patriots out there who can see through the smoke.

Semper Fidelis

For my part, I say to the Left, shove Clive Bundy’s statement up your Harry Reids!

 

 
 
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  • Nate Higgers

    Liberalism has become so tiresome & hollow.

  • Mary Walker McCaffery

    not questioning his right to his twisted perspective or whether or not his view is genuine. I am sure it is. I think your analysis is shallow and lacks a historical perspective, as well as knowledge of sociology and economics.

    • Tunes59

      “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” ― Albert Camus

      Looks like you aren’t making much progress as you are “Workin’ on it!”

    • Joshua Billman

      lol… Lacks historical perspective? Look up LBJ and MLK’s creation…. Blacks are worse off now then before. Before all of their welfare systems and housing projects, blacks had no other recourse but to work hard and rise above. They sought to prove to the world that they were just as smart and just as hard working. Now, we have “black ghettos” in every major city. Instead of being openly enslaved, they are just being enslaved by a system that ensures a cheap vote. Democrats offer small nuggets of the tax payers dollar, fill them full of “hope”, just to turn around and give them another small sliver of the pie and blame their plight on the Republicans because “they don’t want you to have any more than this little piece”. There’s nothing in it for a Democrat to help get these men and women out of the ghettos……. They’ll just lose votes. Democrats ruled the south in the days of slavery…………. and they haven’t changed their intentions, just their tactics. What he states about them coming after the rest of us is true….. The “amnesty” for illegals is just another purchase of cheap votes. The illegals get amnesty, and the government gets more tax dollars and uneducated cheap voters. As far as “sociology and economics”, I’m pretty sure HE’s EDUCATED…….. Most Marines are. And I’m pretty sure his experiences are worth at least as much as an older white woman’s on this subject. ;)

    • Mary Curry

      When I was young, I had never heard of welfare. I knew about Social Security because my mother was getting $25 a month for my brother after his father died. But all of the fathers I knew, both black and white, were hard workers that raised their kids to be just like that. They respected the country, their religion and their elders. We did not have gangs of minorities standing around on street corners causing trouble. By the time we all were in high school we were already working to help our families. As far as economics goes, you couldn’t tell the income of anyone. We all were clean and neat. In fact, I would not be surprised if the income in my family was lower than some of the black families in town. Mr. Bundy, while perhaps not PC, is spot on in his words. I was born in 1948, so I too am an old white woman. Not always PC, but always respectful of those who deserve it.

    • Dennis

      The black “family” has been decimated since the 60′s ….. Even Bill Cosby has said it ….Larry Elders is another one ……

  • robocop33

    Outstanding remarks Marine! What more people need to do is listen to what people are really saying and not the words that they use.

  • http://saintcatholic.wordpress.com/ Travis

    Very well stated. I still don’t know what is in Cliven’s heart. No man can know. BUT, I have said for years that blacks have traded one form of plantation for another. One of physical slavery to another of mental and economic slavery, to the same slave-drivers, the Democrats. And where has it gotten blacks and black families in education and economics? Blacks everywhere (and I say blacks because most are not from Africa and they are TRULY American) should stand up for conservative principals of hard work, ingenuity, freedom from the bondage of government assistance, and taking the moral high ground without excuses on matters of marriage and abortion. It’s time to ask young black men everywhere to be fathers, not baby’s daddy’s. It’s time to ask young black women to respect themselves and not fall for the thug. It’s time to ask black parents to raise their children to work hard in life and not hate others and demand reparations through government enslavement. It’s time for black people everywhere to say “no more” to cradle-to-grave poverty produced by the Democrat Party. Come to the Conservative way of thinking, move to Texas, make some money, work hard and feel good about yourself and blame nobody for anything that is wrong in your life. Don’t keep voting for the same people who have kept you down for the last near century. God save our black brothers and sisters!

    • momsaid

      It has gone from overt enslavement, to the soft tyranny of the ‘safety net’. In the first, people did all they could to survive and keep their families together, hoping for the day that they would be free. In the second, people wait for the next check, because initiative and self-reliance get them cut off from $$.

      • FIRE THEM ALL- 2014

        Tired of people running like rats off a ship because the Lefty MSM wants to distract with the race card. What he said was not racist, it was compassionate. Ever wonder why Native Americans are stagnant in so many areas, Government imposed socialism is the right answer. Give them the land you forced them to live on. Let them choose how it is used. A lot of the federal land is also where the reservations sit. My response to Hannity jumping ship is here: https://www.facebook.com/SeanHannity/posts/10200852554875546?comment_id=10200852584956298&notif_t=like

        • http://saintcatholic.wordpress.com/ Travis

          Native American reservations are a devastating example of liberal politics. John Stossel had a good episode showing how run down, broken down, and impoverished Native American land is. It is so sad to see these sorts of things happen to any group in our country, but what is worse of all, is seeing these people continually support and vote into office people who continue and make worse their situation in life.

          • Dennis

            Love John Stossel

          • http://theextremeattitude.com/ Mark Tipton

            I enjoy his shows but most of his writing is talking about how great his show is and what he did on this show or what he is doing on that show. While I do enjoy the programs, his articles … not so much.

      • http://saintcatholic.wordpress.com/ Travis

        I’m afraid the “safety net” has become a noose for black people, Native Americans, the poor (remember the war on poverty), women (who are pushed to believe they should rebel against the femininity), and any other “protected” group the Democrats label. Live free or die. Too bad, many do not choose freedom.

    • Brandon Overkamp

      Incredible statement Travis, honestly.. You are very well spoken. Why don’t you run for public office? On another note- I would assume that Mr. Bundy might also be in the market for a Public Relations Specialist. J/k. You are able to establish respectfully, that there are issues here that deserve attention and respect.

  • John Adams

    CHARLIE–YOU ARE A GOOD TRUE PATRIOT–YOUR WORDS MADE ME WANT TO CRY ACTUALLY–THANK YOU FOR STANDING TALL F0R THE RIGHTS OF ALL MEN – I SALUTE YOU.

  • spiderman0551

    Great perspective from somebody that, according to the media, should be upset by the comments. I think his comments, as a whole (not just the NYT edited parts) are right on (lacked some tact and the PC test). The family structure in all of America is broken, the Mexicans are definitley ahead of all of us in that regard. I think he was looking to point out how broken we all are, regardless of race.

  • Brandon Overkamp

    Brave man. Well said Marine. Semper Fi…

    Problem here is, the language is hurtful to some and the delivery was insensitive. Also the medium and timing used was not acceptable. Too many factors here to create variables. I do applaud you for standing up and trying to clarify his message but if one must choose a side at this point… He should have chosen his words more carefully and prepared a better medium for the message. People believed in his cause and now they look like fools for backing hum. I was proud of the militia, now I hope they do their homework next time so that people don’t get killed over nonsense.

    Proponents of diversity do not think like that nor would they make such charging, illicit and colorful remarks… because perception feels like reality- just ask Bundy.

    Again Marine, I am proud of you and you display your values well. It is nice to see such a passionate and respectful message from a tried and true warrior. Thanks for your dedication and service.

    • Carol Groff

      Blame it on the curse we are living under known as PC-POLITICAL CORRECTNESS! Anyone who is not PC knows exactly what Bundy was trying to say.

    • Marilyn Zeman

      Brandon, what Bundy said that is causing such a media stir, has absolutely nothing to do with the problems with the BLM on their land grab. You really need to departmentalize things. One has nothing to do with the other. He is still right. Also, you need to delve into what he said and meant, not thinking about the PC of his statement.

      • Brandon Overkamp

        Agreed. BLM is an issue. Yes, and unfortunately now… Bundy’s claim needs to be out of the picture. America cant stand looking at him anymore and it would be foolish to defend him now on policy or God forbid Wake up people were willing to die for this man!!. I don’t care to delve into anything that he has to say. His poor judgement speaks volumes and he would let us down again given the opportunity. Go ahead and pander if you like. One sided people shouldn’t be entertained in the right to debate an issue (especially Racism!). If he meant something, then it should have been clearly stated. Instead it came across… well, the way it did. People express all the time what he was trying to say without confusing millions of people as to whether they are insensitive and uneducated racists.

        My comment was made in respect to the brave Marine pictured above, and of whom you didn’t even mention… but alas you saw the need to offer me advice? You should also practice choosing your words carefully. Again, thank you Marine and I am sorry that we got off topic in offering you support.

        • Kerry Kolsch

          Media propaganda demonized Bundy by calling him a racist so that people like you would react just like you did. What does it feel like to be their little brainwashed puppet?

    • Dennis

      I would say the more informed see’s the NY times write up is what it is a HIT PIECE …..edited to slander mr. Bundy nothing else

  • mattmo79

    Bundy’s analogy was awkward, but if you read through what he was trying to say, he is correct. Due to progressive policies, blacks in this country are not much better off as compared to how they lived in 1860.

  • Tunes59

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” ― Charles Darwin

    It was Christians and Freedom loving patriots who led to the dismantling of slavery in the United States. Democrats in those days fought to keep institutions and laws supporting slavery. Today democrats have built new institutions of slavery which has succeeded in trapping Native Americans, Blacks, and seeks to ensnare all of us. Today it is still Christians and Freedom loving patriots who lead to dismantle those institutions and liberate today’s American slaves.

    • http://saintcatholic.wordpress.com/ Travis

      Yes, very true. So many are not interested in history. People don’t know that it was the conservative Christian, Lincoln, and the Republicans who freed slaves and voted for the Civil Rights Act. And, it was Democrats who owned slaves, voted against the Civil Rights Act, and led the KKK (hello Democrat Sen. Byrd). But it is not so much about skin color. See, Democrats don’t really care about blacks, Native Americans, or even women. Heck, even the liberal women do not care about women. They care about their liberal, Marxist, Socialist agenda. This is why anybody who thinks differently, whether they are black, Native American, or woman, must be destroyed. It is their godless ideology they guard at all cost, and they cleverly do so under the guise of “progress”.

      • milomilosovich

        Sigh. You really should read up on American history. Back in Lincoln’s day, the Republicans were considered the liberal party.

        Try looking up “The Southern Strategy.”

        • http://saintcatholic.wordpress.com/ Travis

          Typical liberal talking point. Fact is milo, your kind was never allowed to exist in America until now and you have no stake in America’s history. The modern liberal is a cozy friend to Communist and Socialist regimes and should be behind bars for treason against this great nation.

          I guess I don’t know much about Lincoln, but I do know some of his words, which shows he was a conservative capitalist (the opposite of liberal):

          ..”in a country with economic freedom, those who begin “poor, as most do in the race of life, free society is such that he knows he can better his condition.” In a free society, a citizen can “look forward and hope to be a hired laborer this year and the next, work for himself afterward, and finally to hire men to work for him! That is the true system.”

          ..he also noted that the Declaration of Independence “does not declare that all men are equal in their attainments or social position.” (So much for liberal spread-the-wealth and equal outcome).

          If Lincoln were alive today he would give you a swifter kick in the butt than he did to Vallandigham, because my friend, he loved this country, unlike your ilk.

          • Guest

            **Sigh**

        • Dennis

          And you still think that war was about slavery?? really informed there buddy er comrade

  • W_R_Monger

    You’re a US Marine through and through.

  • W Randall

    I agree with this writer. We are so quick to judge someone based on one statement, which mostly is twisted by the media. I haven’t seen the context in which the original statement was made and most people reporting on it haven’t either (was Mr. Bundy set up by the interviewer?). I noticed that the media acts as if Bundy suggested that blacks would be better under slavery, which Mr. Bundy actually stated that’s not what he meant. I also noticed the media has not refuted the fact that Minorities make up the majority of abortions and prisoners, which was a comment in Bundy’s statement. The media is quick to criticize and villanize but the media does not address that we need to fix that problem. Clive Bundy is not a wordsmith, he’s a blue collar guy that has been thrust into the limelight for trying to defend a way of life that his family has known since the 1800′s. My opinion was he was trying to making a point that; if we are hand fed our whole life by the Government, if we let the Government control our land, our resources our livelihood, we lose the ability or desire to do for ourselves, to make our own way. If our children, black, brown, red, white, yellow, pink, green, are born into that atmosphere it’s very difficult for them to break that mold (although not impossible).

  • Teresa Daulton

    Slavery is an abomination but, the truth is…it is worse today, than it has ever been in history and it has no color preference. They just changed the name to “Human Trafficking.”

  • BlueSheltie

    I don’t see a black Marine – I see a Patriot and a Good Man standing next to another Good Man . . . both have been wrongly portrayed to support others people’s agendas.

    • chrs

      I agree Why is it they are making such a big deal out of what he said. How about when Reid goes a round calling people names and accusing them of being terrorist. Why doesn’t some one call him on this. Why can he get away with what he does?

  • FIRE THEM ALL- 2014

    I want to commend you on your common sense response to this attempt at mass distraction. Thank you Marine.

  • Phillip LeBlanc

    From one Black Marine To another. That was as ignorant as they come. The liberal media nor conservative did not make him say anything. If you think slavery is better than today then I encourage you to take off your uniform and let him whip you
    Next get your wife and let him rape her. After the rape make sure your kids are separated from you and sold off. Oh yea dont forget when your picking your cotton devil dawg to make sure you pick enough so you dont get beat for slacking.
    Ooohrah

    PS
    Black Marine who loves Jesus, waves a US flag and hates ignorant uninformed racist and votes for whoever the hell makes sense regardless of party.

    • Shelley Elizabeth Nason

      While I agree on the surface with what you are saying, I think many are missing the msg. And no I don’t think slavery in any way is ok, it’s deplorable, but understand this the government is trying to own the minds and hearts of the minority community and the violence may not be coming from a slavemaster but from within i.e. Chicago and the genocide of millions of unborn, not to mention the family unit.

      • Phillip LeBlanc

        Wow
        my friends and fellow Americans turn off the talking heads.
        According to Justice Department statistics(pdf), 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites

        Crime is Crime

        • Dennis

          Which goes to show you that there is not a rampant “racist” animosity in the USA

        • Shelley Elizabeth Nason

          So you somehow take my comments as me being a sheeple…I am not I think for myself and would invite you to look up the statistics for black on black not just on ratio but the numbers in whole. From the very document you directed me to In 2008, the homicide victimization rate for blacks (19.6 homicides per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (3.3 homicides per 100,000).
          In 2008, the homicide victimization rate for blacks (19.6
          homicides per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (3.3 homicides per 100,000).
          When did being concerned about other, speaking for myself and not Bundy, become a horrible thing. geez some people cannot be reasoned with.

    • Phillip LeBlanc

      Watch “Cliven Bundy Racist: Cliven Bundy Negro people http://youtu.be/9CdZJVXtdVQ

      • Joel Stoner

        Watch the truth, not the media hoax.

        “Cliven Bundy (Full) Controversial Remarks April 19, 2014″ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI

        • Phillip LeBlanc

          Doesn’t matter what he said before or after he said slavery was better for the “Negro”.
          Point Blank

          • Joel Stoner

            It completely matters what was said before, and after. Without context it’s meaning can be distorted. With context it can not be distorted. He was not saying Blacks should return to slavery. He was referring to an old saying. “I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.”

            Not knowing that you are a slave, does not negate the fact that you are one. Doesn’t matter who your “Master” is. A man, a corporation, or government.

          • stacey

            He didn’t say it was he asked if it was… was it?

          • Bill Taylor

            marines have HONOR, so far you shown NONE by LYING about this man you dont even know.

          • Phillip LeBlanc

            Write in quotes the lie i said?
            I also have more HONOR in my right Desert Storm Serving Marine Corp trigger finger then most people walking this EARTH.
            You sir are like most American’s that only Salute Patriots and Marines when they agree with your OPINION or VIEW based on that comment.
            I challenge you to thank me. :)

          • Bill Taylor

            ty for what? i see no indication that you ever served in our military your posts still show no honor, the bragging is VERY UNmilitarylike………..you LIE in claiming bundy is a racist real simple stuff.,he3 NEVER said what you claimed he did, dropping the context as YOU DID shows your intent to deceive……..btw have you thanked ME for my service in the USAF before you were even born?

          • Phillip LeBlanc

            Then to that i say thank you for your service before I was born but i will also thank you to my father who served as a Vietnam Marine before I was born and my uncles in the Marines and Army before I was born.
            Now as far as Bundy yes he is a racist and he used racial rhetoric and nothing will change that. As far as Honor that can’t ever leave my blood.

            Ooohrahhh

          • David Wright

            WHEN did you serve? Where did you go to boot camp? Infantry training? MOS Training? What was your first range score? A Marine knows these things as if by instinct. There are a whole LOT of posers and wannabees, and Marines and SEALs are their primary imitation. Most Marines (ALL the ones I know, and that’s a BIG number ) of all shades of green are on the side of tthe Constitution they swore to serve and are CIVIL in debates.

            Furthermore, in some cases, Honor CAN depart you. Look at John Murtha and his remarks about other Marines, as well as his overall corruption in office. A true democrat to the core! And rotten to the Corps. I leave it to you to weigh your own conscience.

            DC Wright
            USMC Retired
            1967-1993
            RVN 1969
            III/OK

          • Phillip LeBlanc

            You guys are funny and I laugh at the hate and distraction from the Slavery debate. Ha

          • David Wright

            Folks with HONOR do NOT have to brag about it. Are you SURE you were in my Marine Corps? I’m starting to have my doubts.

            DC Wright
            USMC Retired
            1967-1993
            RVN 1969
            III/OK

          • Phillip LeBlanc

            You mean brag as in Black Marine supports bundy.

          • Phillip LeBlanc

            More importantly David is it ok to call Americans the Negro, to say slavery is better and to say they never learned to pick cotton.

      • ConcernedClarkston

        He made a case for the government making sure that people (of any color) get an opportunity to learn a trade. I certainly cannot read that as a case for people to be better off in slavery. Ignorant!

    • Dennis

      HAve you met Mr Bundy??? That MArine did and states that the man is NOT racist…. I heard what he said and will say that mr. Bundy was taken out of context ……..

      • Phillip LeBlanc

        Sir
        The Bible says out of the mouth comes the heart. Yoy cant erase that from history. He may not Hate other races but he is racist and made a racial derogatory remark.

        • Dennis

          Yes and again I will stand with the fact he was taken out of context…… doing so is done to vilify the man and is abhorant

    • Marilyn Zeman

      I really don’t believe Bundy was in favor of the beatings and rapes. He was asking a question; Blacks are sinking further and further into the Democrats rathole. If you really think about it instead of deaing with your instant racial baggage.

      • Phillip LeBlanc

        I personally dont have racial baggage Marilyn lol.
        The grandfather of my kids os whiter than you on skin and on paper.
        You cant get a pass for saying Slavery was better. Not happening.

  • kssturgis62

    Thank you Kevin !!! Your wisdom is so appreciated in today’s world and helps to keep me sane, when I am getting so tired.

  • Patrick

    It’s comforting to realize that the Milatary are on our side, the UN has a large Milatary and armored vehicle’s all over the nation. God Bless are troops.

    • erp617

      The military has been neutralized. Loyal leaders have been replaced with left wingers and local union thug police departments have tanks now and they are loyal to the thugs in the administration. Even the PO and IRS have weapons and people who know how to use them.

  • Sillysally

    Are they learning how to take care of themselves, learning working skills or are they just living off welfare and this applies to all races. You need to work not sit around all day, There are jobs out there just not as plentiful as in the past but they are out there, you have to hunt for them. Martin Luther King gave his life so people could have it better. Was welfare the results of him giving his life? No, that was not his intention. Not as a way of life if you are able to work. I understood Bundy’s intent. Get out of bed and go to work everyday. Your children are going to prison and your daughters are having abortions. Is this the results of King’s legacy? I think this problem needs to be address. It’s like the elephant in the room. It’s there and everybody ignores it.

    • Phillip LeBlanc

      Welfare is distributed by a difference of 1 percent between white and black.

      • Dennis

        doesn’t change the fact …dependence on the govt rag……. White trash is just as bad

      • Dennis

        Welfare is a drug for the masses…… nothing is better than earning what you get ……. White trash is no better

        • Dennis

          Not trying to repeat myself didn’t show my first post

  • catfood

    Kudos to all Americans , of any color that refuse to live on the govt “plantation”
    There are no black, brown , white , yellow , ONLY AMERICANS.

    • http://saintcatholic.wordpress.com/ Travis

      Amen! I wish all of us could realize this. THIS is the American dream.

    • milomilosovich

      Bundy’s been freeloading on the American taxpayer for twenty years – who’s on the government plantation?

      • catfood

        Freeloading ? on public land that nobody else has a use for?
        Public land that he maintains at his own cost. Public land that long ago the BLM quit keeping up with grazing fees like they were suppose to , Why do you think bundy stopped paying the fees, Because the BLM quit using them for there intended purpose.

      • RedHarley

        If Bundy is a “freeloader” for grazing his cattle on public land, then what do you call all of the multimillionaire donors to democrats that are getting even more wealthy putting solar farms on that same PUBLIC land ?

      • Dennis

        You must work for the BLM Hell he was doing them a favor …keeping brush down so wildfires wont come up

      • http://saintcatholic.wordpress.com/ Travis

        If I recall right, his family has been grazing the same land for over 100 years, far before the BLM even existed. I do agree that he is in violation of laws, but that is not the argument. The argument hinges upon the fact that somehow the BLM has assault weapons and sniper rifles trained on American citizens. This bully tactics aren’t even used against drug-smuggling coyotes entering Arizona, yet the government is willing to send 200 heavily armed officials to harass American citizens over turtles. This is an act of aggression. They have other ways of taking Cliven to court, taking his land upon his death, etc. Why they chose this route is obvious: to show force and intimidation.

      • Chandie Bartell

        You obviously don’t understand the issues with grazing out West and the fact the USFS and the BLM have used the ESA with a variety of species that are not endangered to force ranchers out of business such as: wolves, grizzlies, bull trout, desert tortoise, and are trying to list Sage Grouse.

        Ravens are the number one predator of Desert Tortoise hatchlings and their eggs. Cows have been successfully grazed along Sage Grouse and Desert Tortoise and other upland birds and species for over a century. Old timers will tell you that there were more Sage Grouse and tortoises after they grazed cows due to irrigation improvements etc.

        Predation is the number one cause of declines of these species.

        You sound like an environmentalist troll.

  • Anna J Smith Mower

    A courageous man to state his opinion like that. He has all my respect.

  • cavalry37

    @Phillip LeBlanc… I don’t think there will be any beatings or rape or selling of children today. So very tired of the incidents that occurred hundreds of years ago being blamed on white people today. I commend the Marine who wrote the above. I also agree that we have all, no matter the color of our skin, become the servant of a far too big goverment with small minded leaders who are out for themselves and not America. I’m really tired, also, of people being called Black Marines or white Soldiers or Hispanic Airmen….. folks, its all a matter of the shade of green you are that matters.

    • Michael Johnson

      I’m a light green Marine. Now, I know a black Marine. I feel sorry for you, so full of hate. It’s easy to twist Clive Bundy’s remarks – he twists them himself. He’s definitely not an accomplished orator.

      • catfood

        Of course not , hes a cattle rancher not a politician

    • Phillip LeBlanc

      I never brought up Slavery Mr Bundy did. I also agree that if your a marine then those that served were called green. Nevertheless I reference being black Marine for the debate correlation to the Title. Who blamed Slavery on white people today?

      • cavalry37

        “If you think slavery is better than today then I encourage you to take off your uniform and let him whip you
        Next get your wife and let him rape her. After the rape make sure your kids are separated from you and sold off. Oh yea dont forget when your picking your cotton devil dawg to make sure you pick enough so you dont get beat for slacking.
        Ooohrah”
        This is your quote encouraging those that would think otherwise to put themselves into the position of, whoever you are referring to, to get their wife for raping, to ensure their children are seperated from them… You indicated that you “encourage you to take off your uniform and let him whip you.” Who is the “him” you refer to? You are correct in that you did not directly state that it was a white man that was to do the raping, seperation and beating….. if not in reference to Mr. Bundy, who were you referencing here?
        If you can clear that up, perhaps I would apologize and retract what I said.

        • Phillip LeBlanc

          To the author of the article. American slavery is not better than anything in today’s time nor the assumptionof it. Thats my point and the fact they find a Black American Marine to illustrate that Bundy is justified in saying negros never learned to pick cotton brings another conversation all together.

          • cavalry37

            Again, who is the “him” you refer to? The author is Tim Tilley, SFC(RET), USA.

          • marinemajor

            So, the fella is NOT a Marine?

          • cavalry37

            I am not a Marine, no. And, not accusing Mr. LeBlanc of not being a Marine… I’d just like to know who “him” is in his comment.

        • Cindy Kay

          Now you are talking about Islam…

      • Chandie Bartell

        Cliven Bundy’s interview I think you should listen to what he actually said, and don’t let the “media” control your “mind” and divert it from the real issue, the fact BLM has been using the ESA corruptly to criminally put ranchers out of business for over 20 years in every ystate out West including mine. I didn’t even mention our loggers and the Spotted Owl the USFS and USFWS used 30 years ago that destroyed entire towns!

        Here is the link to the interview! http://www.spreaker.com/user/thepetesantillishow/cliven-bundy-on-the-pete-santilli-show?utm_source=widget&utm_medium=widget

  • Mommamia1

    Meanwhile in Chicagoland…I’m sure the MSM will ignore this –> Quinn Campaign Wonders: Black Republicans Like Jewish Nazis? shar.es/TD6rc

  • Marilyn Zeman

    Wow, exactly what I was thinking. Nice to know I am not alone in my view of this.

  • http://lisacolorado.blogspot.com lisacolorado

    Anybody who won’t go and listen to the whole interview and not just the butchered soundbytes is willingly misinformed.

    • Phillip LeBlanc

      Doesn’t matter what he said before or after he said slavery was better for the “Negro”.
      Point Blank

      • TMG

        No he didn’t. He said he wonders if slavery was better and stated the reasons why he wonders that. The ranks of the willingly misinformed welcome you, Phillip.

        • milomilosovich

          Yeah but the cognitive dissonance of Bundy was breathtaking. He’s been sucking off the government for 20 years.

          • TMG

            By the law, he definitely owes fines. He certainly hasn’t been sucking off the government. He has worked his whole life to earn a living and others have earned a living working on his ranch.

          • catfood

            When you exam that fact the fees were suppose to go for land maintenance. Bundy stopped paying when they stopped using the fees for that purpose and imposing impossible rules for using it. Since then I am guessing Bundy has spent more than a million maintaining that land.

          • Randy Berry

            The government is not allowed to own land in any state unless the state approves it, If it does it can only be used for forts, docks, or other necessary buildings or structures. That’s what the constitution states period.. Also NO property (CATTLE) can be taken WITHOUT due process of the law, and must be compensated for any that is taken.. Again that’s what the constitution states, so it doesn’t matter if he didn’t pay crap, the government violated the constitution (the LAW), and he’s suppose to pay them? how is that right?

          • catfood

            You and I both know that is exactly what the constitution says, but when has the Obomba administration EVER followed the constitution ?

          • Carla Shellenberger

            Actually, his family was given rights to the land 120 years ago, do your research on the issue. It’s a case of the Feds rescinding an agreement between the Cliven family and other ranchers and the STATE of Nevada.

          • Dennis

            That’s a LIE he was giving them money for grazing …when he saw that they were “taking away ” land he stopped and tried to pay it to the STATE were it should have gone

          • Anonymous Person

            His family didn’t even live there 120 years ago. They moved their in either the 1950s or late 40s and didn’t even start ranching or using the land until after the BLM was in charge of it and even then they paid the fee for the majority of the time just like everyone else. He is a welfare queen of the worst kind and his supporters should be ashamed of themselves for either their willful ignorance or sheer stupidity.

          • Dennis

            Show your sources…. cause that’s BS

          • Bill Taylor

            rather stupid person, his grandmother is part of the family and they settled in that area in 1877, his family indeed has been there that long.

          • Barbara Stein

            Nonsense.

          • Barbara Stein

            Amen,

          • Chandie Bartell

            No the BLM has been siphoning our tax dollars to regulate ranchers out of business by illegally listing the Desert Tortoise, and using fraudulent science for their criminal enterprise known as “Agenda 21- Rewilding.” Cliven Bundy’s neighbors in the same county signed the BLM contracts to comply with their criminal science of reducing their AUM’s, and as a result all 52 of his neighbors went out of business in Clark County. Only one rancher didn’t go out of business and that was Cliven Bundy, because he refused to pay an agency that by design is using the ESA corruptly to force him out of business. This has been going on out West since the Spotted Owl.

      • sharla

        http://bambuser.com/v/4549915?player=html
        Really? Take a listen, here is the entire video.

      • Bill Taylor

        he did NOT say that why are you LYING about this man?

      • Chandie Bartell
  • keysersozay

    Free your mind and your ass will follow. Bundy blew the delivery, but Charlie Delta nails it. Thanks sir for your continued service to an increasingly less free USA.

  • erp617

    I’ve been saying for years that anyone of any racial background in custodial care is worse off than they were before whether it was dirt poor during the reconstruction, in bondage during slavery, victims of the orchestrated depression of the 30′s or the current one. It’s all left wing policies orchestrated to gain power and money. The reason being before welfare there was hope for freedom and equality of opportunity and intact families living in supportive communities.

    Now there is nothing but free stuff and lots of cash, but kids are going hungry, there is no family or community and drugs, booze and violent computer games are the rule.

  • Bud-Kathy Jones

    Just buried a love one at Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery. In viewing the different headstones I noticed name, rank, year of birth and death. particular conflict . No where was race mentioned. Is it because the individual interred there has no race? Of course they do. The American race, a group of individuals unique only to our country. When we as a nation, collectively look into a mirror do we see a race? Or do we see an American?

  • Allen Burns

    If you compare Slavery to our present welfare system you can see the correlations.

    It is
    important to note that the figures I just presented are for women who
    ever turn to the welfare system for support, regardless of whether they
    are currently receiving assistance or not. A very different picture of
    time on welfare emerges if one examines the total time families
    currently receiving welfare will spend on the welfare rolls over the
    course of their lifetimes. About 90 percent of those
    currently on the rolls will eventually spend more than 24 months on the
    welfare rolls and 76 percent will receive welfare for longer than five
    years.”
    http://www.urban.org/publications/900288.html

    New data compiled by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee
    shows that, last year, the United States spent over $60,000 to support
    welfare programs per each household that is in poverty. The calculations
    are based on data from the Census, the Office of Management and Budget,
    and the Congressional Research Services.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/over-60000-welfare-spentper-household-poverty_657889.html

    A welfare family of 4 receives about 12,000 a year out of the 60K a year we spent per family.

    If you are making 48K for each welfare family you are feeding at 12K,
    it my book, it is worse than slavery. You are raping the public at the
    expense of the poor. The slave owner were just exploiting people for a
    profit.

    ” unemployment. The secret to happiness may simply be
    having a 9-to-5. “We find that being unemployed or out of the labor
    force, for any reason, raises suicide risk relative to being employed,”
    the researchers write. Unemployed people, in fact, are 72 percent more
    likely to commit suicide than people who are working. Retirees and
    people on leave from work also had higher suicide rates.”

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/link-between-wealth-and-suicide-rates-san-francisco-federal-reserve-2012-11#ixzz2zs20IbdU

    The suicide rate for black males today is about 13/100,000. The
    research I have read was that suicide rates for slaves was very low.

    “The results indicate that drug use is 50% more common in households with welfare recipients than in nonwelfare households”

    I do not think slaves had a drug problem.

    “Last year, the Maryland NAACP released a report concluding that “the
    ready access to a lifetime of welfare and free social service programs
    is a major contributory factor to the crime problems we face today.”(1)
    Their conclusion appears to be confirmed by academic research. For
    example, research by Dr. June O’Neill’s and Anne Hill for the U.S.
    Department of Health and Human Services showed that a 50 percent
    increase in the monthly value of combined AFDC and food stamp benefits
    led to a 117 percent increase in the crime rate among young black
    men.(2)”

    Someone is making 48K for every 12K spent on a welfare family, and the social issues are horrendous.

  • bigal64

    Booker T Washington had some say in this … What would the haters think of him ? http://archive.org/stream/negroproblemseri00washrich/negroproblemseri00washrich_djvu.txt

  • Andrewg

    CNN is DOGGEDLY trying to create an issue here to have a means at getting Bundy and his supporters. CNN also is claiming that he is losing most of his supporters. I was just having lunch near a CNN tubespot and thought I’d allow them to show improvement on their current reputation. I had to leave after 5 minutes, I was getting ill. Anyone who swallows CNN’s wholesale propaganda is the problem and the spreader of false witness.

    • Cliff Williams

      The desperately need something to fill the air with now that they’ve played out the Malaysian airline disappearance.

      • http://siteifyouhaveone.com des guss

        That old false flag? They landed that plane in Israel and took the people hostage a while ago.

      • Andrewg

        Gawd Why does CNN SUCK THIS MUCH??? NOoooooo integrity!

  • catfood

    Bill O’Reilly and Bill Cosby have been saying the exact same things as Bundy for years , Nobody is calling them racist

  • Cathryn Francis

    “Mr. Bundy could have used any racial demographic as an example: Native Americans on reservations, whites in trailer parks, etc. He noticed the crippling effects of receiving government “assistance” and the long term result of accepting handouts.”

    He could have chose any but he chose to basically say that black people live off of the welfare system. Which is very false. Every race lives off the welfare system, and actually people who come from overseas get more welfare than actual born citizens of the USA. It is not a matter of race as the media makes it….its a matter of evolving which Bundy obviously hasn’t. He knows he messed up so now he wants to cover it up and make excuses.

    • Sarge

      Evolving??? Guess I am a Neanderthal. Evolving is code for “Speech Police” young lady.

    • Carla Shellenberger

      Actually, that’s not what he said at all. He asked if blacks were any better off living in government shackles (the trap of subsidies) than the private shackles of slave owners (who were also Democrat). I’m in Mississippi where more black children are aborted than born, seems to me the KKK’s agenda is working well through Planned Parenthood (who’s founder was a white supremacist affiliated with the Klan))

    • Dennis

      Funny when I heard the unedited account I never heard him say that slavery was justified or Good …I heard him say that the Black family has been hurt by the WELFARE system and I would say that it would apply to the White folk too

    • Randy Berry

      You sheepeople crack me up

  • Rob Smith

    Well stated Marine. Semper Fi Brother!

  • Kandi Gaines

    Thank You for seeing through the crap the media is throwing around to see what sticks…

  • RichardandJan Bawol

    the media does a very god job of editing things to make them sound like something they are not. Been there and had it done to me!!

    • collcw

      Lt. Col. Allen West called it ‘Obama’s Plantation’. Is he racist?

  • Barbara Stein

    “Slavery was a good thing.”

    –Clive Bundy

    • Dennis

      WOW …….Out of context now include the rest of the video …you coward

      • http://siteifyouhaveone.com des guss

        She’s a jew. She lies and doesn’t care. She believes her own BS. What did you expect? The truth…from a jew?!?! Ahahaha!

        • Barbara Stein

          Another racist, and an imbecile.

      • Barbara Stein

        Only a coward would hide behind an anonymous account and support the mindless musings of this racist. This is a man who is using your tax dollars to illegally graze his cattle on your land.

        That he’s also an unrepentant and ignorant racist that you and your ilk support shows just how off the rails the far right has gone.

        Even Rand Paul and the mouth-breathers on Fox, like Hannity and Greta, can’t get away from this creep fast enough.

        • Dennis

          Barbara you are so informed where to start …… you work for the BLM dont you??

      • Barbara Stein

        “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves…

        –Cliven Bundy

    • Bill Murray

      “An out of control government can be just as oppressive as slavery.”

      –Clive Bundy

    • Bill Taylor

      he never said that, which raises the question why are YOU LYING?

    • Chandie Bartell

      Can you provide a link and the direct quote for this comment? Here is the entire interview please be an independent thinker and research the truth instead of being manipulated and being “behaviorally modified” by the Soros controlled media. http://www.spreaker.com/user/thepetesantillishow/cliven-bundy-on-the-pete-santilli-show?utm_source=widget&utm_medium=widget

  • Ed Garland

    Black Bundy Bodyguard: “He’s Not a Racist… I Would Take a Bullet For That Man”

    “Mr. Bundy is not a racist,” he told CNN. “Ever since I’ve been here, he’s treated me with nothing but hospitality. He’s pretty much treating me just like his own family.”

    “I would take a bullet for that man if need be. I look up to him just like I do my own grandfather,” he added. “I believe in his cause and after having met Mr. Bundy a few times, I have a really good feel about him and I’m a pretty good judge of character.”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-bodyguard-take-a-bullet?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

  • http://www.politisite.com/ Albert N. Milliron

    Now we find out what Cliven Bundy thinks about Mexicans
    http://www.politisite.com/2014/04/25/now-find-cliven-bundy-thinks-mexicans/

  • Rodney DeShong

    True American patriot, thank you for your service and God bless you. Where all slaves to the biggest master the IRS.

  • UTKR

    Amazing how fast the David Michael Lynch denounced Bundy.

  • JudgenJure

    I am a African American Small Business owner who is a Religious Conservative and Fiscal moderate and people always as me why I support Democratic Candidates. My income is High Middle Class and I pay taxes.

    It’s frustrating for Republican/Conservatives to continue have the image of all blacks as inferior and looking for Government Handouts. This is how Conservatives/Republicans see blacks and its clear from the continual posts I see by individuals.

    The Conservative Right is so out of touch with Main Stream Black Americans. If you see anything than pure hate in these mans words, it proves my point. There is no justification for his comments. Main Stream Black Americans work hard, look to own businesses, strive to go to college and strive to take care of their families. We don’t want preferences. We only want equality in pay and equality when applying for jobs and loans for businesses.

    Cliven Bundy’s comments were pure racist. Its shows his ignorance and hate for African American’s. I read the posts on this conversation log. It doesn’t surprise me the number of Caucasians who sympathize and support them. Most of those individuals have identified themselves as conservatives or republican.

    It’s a shame that this is how you see African Americans. (Government Subsidies etc.), The reality is far from the truth. The percentage of African Americans on government Subsidies may be higher but the population of Caucasians on government subsides is much higher in number. Caucasians cost the U.S. Tax payer more in Government subsides than African Americans.

    It looks like again Democratic candidates wont have to work hard for my support and donations. The only thing they have to show me is who the Republican/Conservatives really are and who they support.

    • Kerry Vail

      Yes, but you are the minority in your race. I know plenty of successful African Americans. But you cannot deny the overwhelming number of African Americans that are losers. The ratio of successful to not successful is not slanted in your favor at all. And it is because of the Democrats. All you have to do is look at the facts. Look at the large cities that have been run (run down) by Democrats being in charge for decades. Detroit, Chicago, Los Angles etc…. Look at the facts that the Dems founded the KKK, look at LBJ’s “great society”, look at who voted to keep slavery alive. Don’t come on here and try to deflect the root cause of the African Americans demise on Conservatives, that’s weak. It’s just not true. For every 1 AA that is successful like you, there are 100 that are ghetto and have no ambition to succeed. I’m sorry if this hurts your feelings, but you really need to get out more and observe, maybe study up on history a bit.

      • JudgenJure

        Unfortunately, you are very wrong. The average income for an African American family is $40,946 while a white family is $62,527. This shows a desire of Main Stream Black Americans to have a desire to succeed in America. The vast majority of Black Americans are hard working, career orientated, entrepreneurial people.

        One segment of a race does not determine the whole.

        This again is why Blacks will continue to support Democratic Candidates who they may disagree with certain policies on.

        • collcw

          KKK was started by democrats who hung white Republicans along with blacks. Margaret Sanger started abortions for the sole purpose of killing black babies. If you want to support such animals, that’s your free choice to do so.

          • JudgenJure

            Those were Southern/Dixie Democrats who are now todays Republicans in the same area. They left the Democratic party over equal rights for blacks. I am a Christian and I don’t agree with abortion, There is no candidate anywhere out there running on a platform of outlawing 100% of abortions. You did not address what my post was originally on but I decided to respond to you.

        • Kerry Vail

          Correct, but you actually just made my point as 42% of white families and only 18% of African American families are in married-family households. Yet, low-income Hispanic and other non-African American families are most likely to be in married-family households. In 1925, 85% of African American households had two parents. By 1965 the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among African Americans. This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of black children were born outside of marriage. U.S. Census data from 2010 reveals that more African American families consisted of single-parent mothers than married homes with both parents. Most recently, it was reported that 72% of black babies were born to unwed mothers.

          [ref: urban.org/publications/411936.html, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure]

          These alarming statistics are both factual and are the result of our government, specifically the Democratics, shifty policies. They have put in place, policy that is counterproducttive to a multi-cultural society. In fact, if amnesty ever happens, it’s over for all races in the USA as we know it, they will finally have their progressive social petri dish to perform all kinds of economic experiments on. Which brings us full circle back to the topic. Cliven Bundy did not say anything false or racist at all. If you watch the full unedited version you will soon see that the liberal media edited it to suit there Obama worshiping agenda. It’s pathetic to tell you the truth, but not nearly as pathetic as watching everyone play the race card based on a bastardized version of what was really said. Nobody vets anything anymore. It’s shoot from the hip news & politics at best. The bottom line here, is this rancher might owe some money, but please tell me the last time that the BLM or any governmeent entity surrounded a property to merely collect a monetary debt? It violates our Constitutuion and a laundry list of laws. “LIEN” might have been a nice word to consider before “FIREPOWER”. Cliven is sympathetic to what the government has done to everyone and based on what I hear when I listen to the full content unedited, is that he is also concerned as to the way our government has treated African Americans.Throwing down the racist card so quikly like you have does help ease socail pressure.You showed your “ignorance and hate” as you put it. That’s called hypocracy.

          • JudgenJure

            Where do I start. You didn’t address income. You addressed marriage rates. As a Christian, I believe in Marriage than children. Its okay if you share the views of Cliven Bundy and his beliefs.

            Your views and posts go to what my original posts stated. Right Wing/Conservatives don’t relate to Main Stream Black America who work hard and are beyond offended and outraged by his remarks.

            By percent, more blacks are on government subsides. By numbers more whites are on government subsides. Whites cost the US Tax payer more than blacks.

            There is no demise of Black America as you claim. Black Americans are going to college and starting businesses a higher rate than ever before. Costs and Expenses are rising faster than income for all ethnicities.

            You have the right to defend your Hero Cliven Bundy all day. I believe there should be more free speech instead of less. I think Cliven Bundy should continue to state what Conservative America feels about Main Street Black America. It makes voting easy.

            I just wish the Right Wing Conservative Politicians would stand by their Hero Cliven Bundy and stop all of sudden trying to denounce him when they share the same views.

          • Cindy Kay

            Very well stated, Kerry.

      • JudgenJure
    • Shari Peterson

      Would it have been better if he’d used another example, like poor white people, poor native Americans or anyone else? No matter what he said someone would be upset and no matter how racially inclined YOU might be, poor people of all colors express their lack of opportunities and jadedness the same way, thru crime, anger and frustration.

      It appears you missed the point entirely, which is despite slavery being eradicated, there is STILL discontent, a lack of opportunity, community failure in keeping children off the streets and out of gangs and so on, thus perpetuating everything that has failed in the culture.

      • JudgenJure

        There is no point when you use hate, intolerance and ignorance to describe anything.

        • Shari Peterson

          I noticed you removed a link. Why is that?

          I see you also missed the point of the post. It’s not about black people
          it’s about slavery and how things have not changed much which was the
          POINT of what he was referring to. And FYI, whites, Asians, blacks and
          Indians and others have also been slaves AND owned slaves.

          • JudgenJure

            I have a college degree and own a small business. I felt I could of worded what I wanted to say better so I changed some items. I added back the link to a different line to show income. There is no point when you use hate, intolerance and ignorance. By your words and descriptions, you can say Hitler was a good man if you just get the meaning of what he was trying to do and say. I believe in personal accountability. His words were his words period.

          • ACY0029

            What did he say EXACTLY that was hateful or intolerant?

          • JudgenJure

            I am so sorry that you are so out of touch with Main Stream Black American’s who work hard and love their country. Most Americans for that purpose have said his words were bigoted, intolerant and ignorant. Your question is making my point of my entire post. I understand you agree with his views and find nothing wrong with what he said. The beneficiary will be the Democratic Party, That’s a fact !

          • ACY0029

            That’s what I thought, you can’t give a single example of an ACTUAL racist or intolerant remark he made. I’ll admit his language is crude and antiquated but, does that automatically make him a racist? He simply stated his view from what he has been a witness to. If you think government interference in the inter cities hasn’t hindered the black community then I think you are the one that is out of touch with Mainstream Black America.

          • Dennis

            he said no more than Bill Cosby …the loss of the black family structure

          • JudgenJure

            I know you know that is not what he said

          • Dennis

            I Heard an old man try to say something from his heart…that was misconstrued on purpose …I read people that doesn’t like that a ex marine who is black that has stayed at mr bundy house state that Mr bundy is NOT racist … say that that Marine in so many words a “uncle tom,sellout , an Oreo…. All because it would have been better for the cause if that MArine would have said that Bundy wore a KKK uniform…….

        • Jim Gravell

          I didn’t see any hate

          • JudgenJure

            I understand you don’t see any hate in it. It’s okay. Your just out of touch with Main Stream Black American and many Americans for that purpose. The purpose of my post is that conservative Caucasians don’t relate to Main Stream black American who work hard and are trying to live the American dream. The continued beneficiary will be the Democratic Party. You are making my point for me.

          • Dennis

            ridiculous……

          • JudgenJure

            Factual

          • Dennis

            The black race has been bought and sold by the new plantation owner and that is The DEMocratic party…… The Demo’s don’t want you to succeed…they want you to always be holding your hand out to them they are in control of your destiny….. they dont want you to procreate ….look at plan parenthood and the history of why it was started ….hell when LBJ signed in welfare he stated that the democrats would have the black vote from that point on

          • JudgenJure

            You again feed into one segment of Black America stereo types like Cliven Bundy instead of Main Stream Hard Working Black America I don’t know how else to say it. I continue to post facts on Black Income. Blacks have had a dramatic increase in College Education, Self Employment like me, taking care of their families, and going to church. Again you will see Main Street Black America like you want. You continue to make my point for me on the disconnect between Right Wing Conservatives and Main Street Black America.

          • Dennis

            It’s not me…. it’s the media that want to tell about all the crime “the blacks do”….. I see the middle class black families in my town they are prosperous and are like any other family …….

          • JudgenJure

            11% of Black Families make over $100,000 a year. Compare that to 10 years ago or 20 years ago. http://blackdemographics.com/households/african-american-income/

          • Dennis

            which again dispels the thought that the blacks cannot attain what some people have…. but it’s still the same the democrats want you to not succeed they want your demographic to always be owing to them …..they are not your friend

          • Cindy Kay

            JudgenJure is obsessed with skin color. I am retired from a huge corporation; in all the years I worked for them, my favorite supervisors had a different skin color from mine. My best and dearest friend has different skin color from mine. You miss the point by being divisive based on skin color. It should be us united against an overreaching federal government.

          • JudgenJure

            No Cindy Kay, Cliven Bundy is obsessed with skin color. I am responding to his comments and pointing out the facts that the Right Wing Conservative is totally disconnected from Main Stream Hardworking Black America. I don’t feel the government is over-reaching. I am obsessed with growing my Small Business and taking care of my family. I don’t let race or anything try to hold me back from succeeding.

    • Chandie Bartell

      I don’t think you listened to the entire interview posted on here to come up with your conclusions. I think the Marine did a great job on this article, and I posted the link to the entire interview the Main Stream liberal media purposefully censored. This issue with Cliven Bundy is about the corruption of the BLM forcing ranchers out of business through fraudulent science using the ESA. Don’t you think it’s suspicious that a New York Time’s reporter or any of the Main Stream media refused to cover the Stand-off between Cliven Bundy and his supporters against the BLM, and the fact they sent a paramilitary operation (an army) to go after an American citizen; a rancher and his family? However, now after being silent for over two weeks, the main stream media all a the same coordinated time covered a few words that Cliven said on Saturday, from a 17 minute interview?

      http://www.spreaker.com/user/thepetesantillishow/cliven-bundy-on-the-pete-santilli-show?utm_source=widget&utm_medium=widget Full interview and comments by people that are at the Bundy Ranch.

      That doesn’t concern you? You are more worried about the “race-card” tactics to divert the attention off of the BLM, and this Administration that conducted this “army” operation to destroy private property, which almost led to another Ruby Ridge and Waco?

      You got your perspectives all mixed up. I posted the link to the full interview with Cliven Bundy the liberal press purposefully left out.

      By the way I suppose the marines that are African American protecting Cliven Bundy are racist too, because they are conservatives.

      • JudgenJure

        I have already seen the video and the full transcript. I have also seen his interview on CNN and heard his radio show comments. I don’t throw around the race-card. I don’t want racial preferences or government handouts. I am only interested in equality.

        As an African American business owner, I worked for everything I have. Cliven Bundy’s comments were bigoted, intolerant and hateful. Its okay if you don’t see that. I wont be able to change your mind. Your mind set is very similar to many Caucasian Republican/ Conservatives as was the purpose of my post. Your mindset is not in the main stream of Black Americans who play by the rules and work hard and most Americans.

        The main stream of Black America and many Americans have determined his comments to be highly offensive and repugnant. The continued beneficiary will be the Democratic Party.

        • Chandie Bartell

          You don’t know me and you don’t know Cliven Bundy, nor what he is experiencing as a rancher and the issues that most of us out West in Rural America have experienced. That is the issue the media successfully has manipulated YOU into diverting your attention from.

          If you think Cliven Bundy is hateful then you should get to know him yourself, he has weclomed everybody to his ranch and has several African American men that are staying with him. They said he is not bigoted, racist, or hateful and have been living with him everyday, but you know more about what is going on in Cliven Bundy’s mind than the people that have known him for years, and the Marines protecting him?

          Maybe you should go out there and see what is really going on in Rural America, as it seems like possibly you are the one that is being “close-minded” as you react to assumptions in categorizing conservatives.

          I’m shocked that people even fall for this race-card issue anymore it has been used by the Russians since the Bolshevic Revolution to divide people, so the government can more easily control them, and you’re falling for it.

          • JudgenJure

            Again, Main Stream Black America and most Americans found his comments hateful, bigoted and intolerant.

            Its okay if you support his comments and views. I wont be able to change your mind because you believe what he says and his views.

            My point is your view aligns you with many conservative republicans who are excusing his comments and actions.
            Right Wing Conservative Americans continue to fail to relate to Main Stream Black Americans who work hard to earn a living by continuing these hateful stereo types of Black Americans.

            The beneficiary will be the Democratic Party. This is a fact !

          • njohn1

            JudgenJure I have been reading your post and commend you on your success as a businessman. I do not understand the closed mindedness when you can see tha Cliven Bundy was trying to understand why the plight of the blacks did not improve after the government got into the act. Why don’t you contact Mr Bundy and arrange a meeting.

            I live in the south and trreasure each and every person I encounter as God has placed them in my life for a reason. Few of these people disappoint me as I look for an enriching experience. I use each encounter to better understand what it is that God wants me to learn. I will say that hate has no place in my life. I can’t hate and be a Christian.

          • JudgenJure

            God Bless you as a fellow Christian. I don’t hate Cliven Bundy. The words out of his mouth were hateful, bigoted, intolerant and ignorant. I believe in personal accountability and his words are his words. If he asks for forgiveness, for the hateful things he has said I will forgive him as Christ forgave me.

            Finally today there are some Republicans fully denouncing his hateful words. You cant use hate, intolerance and ignorance to make a point and then say don’t you get the meaning of what I am trying to say. If that was the case then we could make excuses for Hitler if we read between the lines and see what he was trying to say.

            It is beyond offensive, Blacks are so much better today than anytime in our history. The lies and continue stereo types continue to be there like Cliven Bundy states. The reality is as I stated above is yes by percent more blacks are on government subsides. By volume and numbers, more Caucasians are on government subsides.

            A black Family today is $40,946 and a white Family $62,527. Does this sound like slavery was better. The number of educated and business owners who are blacks have Dramatically increased.
            I ask everyone to please stop feeding into these negative hateful stereo types of Main Stream Black America who work hard and love their country. I will post the link to income so you can see.

          • njohn1

            God is really great! Just before I read your post I was watching O’Riely on Fox news. He soundly denounced Cliven Bundy. During the insuing discussion with one conservative and one liberal Bill suggested that Bundy was not racist, just ignorant. He then challenged his guest, liberal who is a Christian, to meet with Mr Bundy and possibly deliver to him the message of salvation. I was appalled at his reply. He said that was not his job, that was for the clergy to do.

            My hope for this nation is to have it turn back to God and for all to have equal opportunity to acheive thier dreams. I enjoy that I can share God’s Word with any person I meet no matter who they are. I view each and every Christian as my bother or sister in Christ and that includes you. A good friend of mine does not like the division that is being pushed on us all, and quite frankly, neither do I. I have too many friends from all walks of life that men too much to me to let small mined indiviuals ruin that for me.

            As for what you are feeling, I can understand the bitterness when you see and hear things that offend . I hear horrible comments about Christains, see disrespectful display aimed at Christians. But I will still endeavor to take the Gospel to those very people who are so offensive. Each and every day I seek God’s guidance. I still make mistakes but God is true to His Word and has a firm grip on my soul. May God bless you. We will meet either here or in Heaven.

          • JudgenJure

            You are on point on many of your comments. I am a Conservative Christian. I believe in more GOD in all areas of this Country. I believe in more GOD in School Court houses and all public places. Most of societies woes can be attributed to less God.

            We constantly pray for this nation to put God First in everything you do. I pray for Gods Kingdom to come where ethnicity or race will never be an issue.

          • njohn1

            It is good to find another brother in Christ. We have that which will cure the ills of our nation if they would only listen and embrace. May my prayer join yours as we seek God together.

          • JudgenJure
          • Cindy Kay

            JudgenJure, that is a flat out lie when you say all
            right Wing Conservative Americans fail to relate. Black and white comments are racially divisive, as are most of your comments. If you want people to relate to you, come as a fellow citizen of the U.S. It should be us united against an overreaching federal government that sent 200 armed men to a ranch here in the U.S. to confiscate. You better hope other citizens reach out to you if the same fate befalls you.

          • JudgenJure

            I believe the government is good. As a citizen who follows the law, I don’t fear the government. I have no problem discussing race. I think people don’t talk constructively enough about race. Its obvious Cliven Bundy doesn’t have a problem voicing his racial views. I am pointing out facts about race. I can point to many surveys taking from Main Stream Black America about the disconnect with the Right Wing/ Conservatives.

        • Cindy Kay

          Every word you say is race related, so perspective would be a fine thing for you to ponder.

          • JudgenJure

            Again, I am responding to what Cliven Bundy stated.

    • Dennis

      You are soo wrong the conservative knows that blacks are more than capable to do ANYTHING they want …… It is the democrats that think that black cannot test against other races .that’s why there is special treatment

      • JudgenJure

        You are making my point. Black Conservatives will continue to vote Democrat even if they don’t agree with all their policies. I don’t want racial preferences. I am just looking for equality. I think Charter Schools are a good idea. When conservatives, the Right wing and Republicans come out and support people like Cliven Bundy who makes the comments he makes, you immediately alienate Main Stream Black America. Issue after Issue, the right wing is constantly at odds with Main Stream Black America. The right constantly chooses side outside of Main Stream Black Americans. The easy beneficiary then becomes the Democratic Party. This is a fact

        • Dennis

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk9dzcmiWwI#t=224……Maybe another black man can say it better

          • JudgenJure

            Again this is not Main Stream Black America. This is someone clearly without the facts in his hand. Its sad that he is not more informed.

          • Dennis

            I guess that because main street black america sees racism where there is none …who wants to make excuses as to why they can’t get up in the world and not take control of their own lives

          • Dennis

            you should listen to LArry Elder on AM radio he is not a victocrat

          • JudgenJure

            I know who Larry Elder is. He is wrong on many issues but right on some. This has nothing to do with the Sage of South Centrals term of Victocrat. He just feeds into and perpetuates negative black stereo types which aren’t true.

          • Dennis

            He is a positive note about black families and life …ever hear his stories about his hard working father and caring mother……

          • JudgenJure

            Yes, he comes on from 3pm – 6pm here in California. I have called his show before.

          • Dennis

            What a coincidence I’m also from cali I do work over in the south bay area …Dominguez and Carson…

          • JudgenJure

            This just feeds into the Negative stereo types of Blacks which conservatives keep pushing that Blacks are on government subsides, lazy and looking for handouts where this far from the truth. One segment of a society does not determine a whole race. Main Stream Black America works hard, is making more money than they ever have made before, starts businesses and takes care of their family.

          • Dennis

            I can attest to that my buddy’s daughter married a real good guy … He is one of the most respectful young men I know …hard worker ,great father… I feel good knowing he is my friend

        • Dennis

          If you saw the other unedited video and YOU cannot see what he was tring to say than we have nothing to discuss ……I truly think he meant no harm….

          • JudgenJure

            This goes into my point. It cant be any clearer how offensive his remarks are but many on the right continue to support him. The Beneficiary will be the Democratic Party. I don’t want to shut down free speech. I am just pointing out facts

    • Cindy Kay

      Of course there are more whites, but as a percentage to population, blacks are a larger percentage. You don’t sound like a conservative, you sound like your vote is based on the color of skin. I’ll make no claims other than it’s not us against them, it’s us united against an overreaching federal government. Little known fact: Obamacare was passed by 219 (all Democrats) to 212 (a mix of mostly Republicans, but 38 Democrats bravely crossed the aisle). I had to give you a down vote due to your perspective.

      • JudgenJure

        I am a Religious Conservative and Fiscal Moderate like my posts states. I am small business owner who built what he has from scratch. I don’t feel the government is overreaching. I never said I was a Conservative on all issues. The issue of race was brought out by Cliven Bundy not me. I am responding to what he said and how the Conservative Right Wing Backs him.

  • MSavian

    No,Bundy is not stereotyping. His words have nothing to do with racism. His words resonate a pretty scary reality of the U.S.A. we live in today. And that is, that the Federal Government has pretty much kept African Americans in poverty since segregation. Statistics show that African Americans have been locked in turmoil within crime ridden inner cities, where the Federal Government has in a way, “segregated” them into packed ghettos. These exoduses are contributed to entire neighborhoods being left to fall into disrepair and jobs moving out of the area. The Federal Government lets inner cities of Compton, Detroit, St. Louis, Camden, Chicago, Harlem… the list goes on. And usually, it’s in the best interest of the goverments(federal/state/local) to sell the land to business investors, in order to turn the land into a marketable profit, thus helping contribute to the cities economies. More people packed into a small area, leads to crime and poverty.

    But it’s true that people of all races are now falling into these poverty statistics, that it hase become more of a class warfare. I honestly can’t say why African Americans lead ahead in poverty, but I can guess it has something to do with the lack of proper integration into society after hundreds of years of racial oppression. Americans aren’t all treated as equally as they should be. Not yet. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr struggled and fought so hard to change the way we treat each other.
    Politicians usually aren’t the ones to make the real difference. It’s the people, from all walks of life, despite race, ethnicity, sex, or religion, that spark the masses to take action to change society for the better. For all. This whole thing shouldn’t be about politics, despite how both the far left and right are making it out to be, especially using mainstream media outlets to distort the truth.

    Bundy is ashamed to have to say what he did. Not because of thr words spoken from his mouth, but that he would even need to say it at all. He stated, that while driving through Las Vegas, tgere were African Americans out of work. Families in poverty. It’s sad he had to say it, but he meant:

    It’s pretty sad that there are so many African Americans living in poverty conditions today, and many worse off than a lot of slaves were. It’s sad. The Federal Government uses it’s welfare system to keep African Americans dependent on the help, which is along the lines of economic poverty anyway. When a person, any race, grows dependent on such commodities, it gets harder to break away from it, especially when there’s an enabling entity involved. Especially if that entity is the Federal Government, handling out, basically free money. One feels they never have to work again. They’ll never work their way out of poverty. They’ll just remain in poverty.

    Bundy never said he agreed with slavery, nor did he say African Americans should still be slaves. He basically stated, that the Federal Government has kept an entire race held in poverty by a growing dependency on government welfare. A person can’t learn important life lessons if they’re never given a chance to solve their own problems. Bundy would have absolutely nothing to gain by being an ignorant racist. He’s definitely not an ignorant person.

    Don’t get confused by media manipulation. Do your own research before you claim to have knowledge of anything.

    • Cindy Kay

      MSavian has one comment total and 9 upvotes. I enjoyed reading your commentary. Perspective people, it’s not us against them, it’s us united against overreaching federal government.

  • James Crooke

    Semper Fi, Leave it a Marine to say what is on mind.

  • pokenhorn

    The Marines have landed and the situation is well-in-hand.

  • beverly daniel

    It’s too bad Fox News has taken a sharp turn left by taking Mr Bundys comments out of context and melting down in PC outrage. Thought they were ‘fair & balanced’…..but been sadly proven wrong.

    • Shari Peterson

      Hopefully good people across the spectrum will now see the truth that all the talking heads and politicians are equally totalitarian statist.

      • beverly daniel

        We can only hope, Shari. I still see people who are defending some of the talking heads with blind loyalty even though they know better. I suppose denial is easier to deal with than the truth.

  • Ray Stephens

    Finally, a good boy that says things that other coloreds are afraid to say..

  • http://luvsiesous.com/ el_guero2000

    Well said.

    Wayne
    Luvsiesous.com

  • Chandie Bartell

    Please listen to the entire interview that the NY reporter purposefully “censored, edited” to create a diversion that was “ordered” from the White House! The White House’s favorite propagandists the New York Times actually conducted this interview on Saturday, and held it and released it to their Main Stream media out-lets to air on Thursday to create a diversion, and “stop” a Congressional Investigation of the BLM’s illegal activities under Reid, Kornze, Jewel, Obama, and Holder. All media outlet’s covered these “edited” remarks Thursday and our liberal newspapers for the first time I discussed Cliven Bundy, but not one word about what the BLM has been doing to ranchers for over 20 years. The timing was maliciously placed and aired on Thursday, when the BLM’s illegal activities were supposed to be “aired” on Conservative news. Here is the full interview of Cliven Bundy that was edited from the mainstream media. http://www.spreaker.com/user/thepetesantillishow/cliven-bundy-on-the-pete-santilli-show?utm_source=widget&utm_medium=widget

    • Barbara Stein

      “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less -freedom.”
      –Cliven Bundy

      • Dennis

        Barbera you work for the BLM?? you sure are quick to stir up trouble look at ^^^^ post above yours …. and really listen to it

  • http://siteifyouhaveone.com des guss

    The liberals and democrats were the ones who introduced slavery through modernized judaism to the usa. The KKK was also started by Democrats. I wonder what they have to say about that? Cliven Bundy is not being racially prejudiced, he was simply making a point that liberals don’t like or want others to think about regardless of their race. They’re scared of what would come from good logic.

  • Brian Bayley

    Yes, it sounds like he was referring to the family structure. He shouldn’t have used that analogy, but the lame stream media focuses on the words and not the meaning.

    • Serafinos

      Agree
      He’s of OLD SCHOOL lingo – you’re right. He could have worded it better but he was 100% on same page as Bill O’Reilly has been for over a year
      Nothing racist about what he said & definitely not in his heart & intent IMHO :)

      • Russ

        You’re trying to justify his racism by comparing him to O’Riley?
        That’s like saying a bird isn’t a chicken because he’s more like a rooster. (smh)

        • Joy Bischoff

          You have made up your mind without the facts. There is no getting through to people like you. I have fought racism all my life. I hate it. I know Cliven and he is not racist no matter how much you want him to be.

        • Dennis

          Clive Bundy said just about the same as Bill Cosby ….the lack of the FAMILY structure

  • kls

    wow! I am an independent and a veteran, semper fi? in freakin’deed! I stumbled on this site via a link from another source…..just wow! THIS is the place all the racists meet and pat themselves on the back and share their hatred and vile thoughts….all lead by a self loathing lunatic who hates his own race. Now I shall depart this dungeon of disgustingness and go back to reality where racism does exist– and it exists in the evil hearts of men like Cliven Bundy who are moochers of the worst kind and unpatriotic as hell to boot. Don’t you see the irony? bye, y’all. Put your sheets back on now, please. And, Kevin, you may want to get yours mended–your a@# is showing.

    • Chandie Bartell

      Haha, good try. Not!

    • Serafinos

      Wow – I birthed a Marine & married to a Vietnam Vet
      Sorry to see their fellow brother come out & show his true colors
      You appear to be the racist hate monger
      WOW — just WOW

      The Marine in the photo happens to defend your freedom to spew hate
      Keep that in mind

      • Russ

        Just as much as I defended his.
        Cliven is the villain. This person is doing himself no favors.
        As for military? Served and can trace service in my family back to muskets. Doesn’t make my opinion any more valid than your attempt.
        Cliven is a bigot, an anarchist and a traitor.

        • Johnny

          Lol you are a joke.

          • Russ

            Johnny go marching home boy ;)

          • Cindy Kay

            Russ likes his own comments so he can have upvotes. I recommend that everyone who disagrees with Russ and Strandwolf click on the down arrow.

          • Russ

            Now if you’d just been a jerk, I’d have let this go. But since you decided to be a jerk AND lie about me…thanks for the suggestion ;)

        • Dennis

          Yep we are all what we say we are on the internet ,,,,wink wink…go troll somewhere else

        • Cindy Kay

          In my opinion, Russ is getting paid to troll.

      • Strandwolf

        BS. Explain yourself. They do not defend my free speech rights whatsoever.

    • Catherine Morris

      Well stated KIS, totally agree with you.

    • Dennis

      Goes to show you that even the military have liberal/commies in it

      • Strandwolf

        Hey, that “thank you for your service” riff is knee-jerk patriotism, so-called, at its worst. How the heck do you know what he did or didn’t do just because he enlisted and got honorably discharged? They enlist not to serve or there wouldn’t be any whining about pensions and healthcare and all that. They enlisted for the paycheck, clothing, housing, food, dental, and the opportunity to shoot up villages and wedding groups. I know it and you know it. The Pentagon is the biggest boondoggle and corruption thing going in the country, aside from public schools. Face it. Deal with it. Or really go under. They’re missing a trillion dollars–money should be accounted for, not the special black ops secret stuff, just the ordinary goods-purchasing $. Go ahead and bow down to the current generation of General Custer. When have they actually won a war? The Spanish-American War of 1898 was the last one the US won on its own. What does that tell you?

        • Dennis

          WTF you talking about WW1 AND WW2 would not have been won except for American Soldiers getting in there and kicking ass……

        • Cindy Kay

          Go back to your liberal websites, Strandwolf, where they welcome your comments.

    • Cindy Kay

      kls is from British Columbia, Canada. Reading some of kls comments sounds more liberal than independent. Stumble on back to Canadian posts, kls.

  • Alaric Grey

    Right on Marine, right on!

  • Chandie Bartell

    Thank you Marine for your service to our country! Secondly thank you Sir, for continuing to serve our country to protect our freedoms from this tyrannical government, by protecting Cliven Bundy and his family. And in conclusion thank you for providing your perspective on this issue from your personal experience, as well as your valuable view-point of actually being physically at the Bundy Ranch, the area of impact. Would love to meet you, and thank you for giving me confidence in America, that there are great people like you that serve unselfishly. Would be honored to meet all of you some-day, and Cliven Bundy and his family.

    • collcw

      Wow. There’s no way I could have said that better. So me, too. I completely agree. THANK YOU!!!!!

  • BG

    Semper Fi ….. In the Marine Corps I knew, there was only one color… RED, for the blood we all share.. Thank you my Brother Marine

  • Barbara Stein

    “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less -freedom.”
    –Cliven Bundy

    Anyone condoning these comments has no real understanding of what slaves were subjected to, not an iota of common sense or decency and is an unapologetic and ignorant racist.

    • Rastus

      Hey STUPID, you need to watch the entire video, not the George Soros edited version that makes you see it this way. Cliven Bundy commented on a few of the issues that have been the hot topics of today’s new casting. The real Bundy is as concerned about the well being of all, just like you and me.

      • Catherine Morris

        Right back at you STUPID!!!! Cliven Bundy is an ignorant stupid white RACIST and welfare king himself. You must be one of his buddies.

        • Joy Bischoff

          I know Cliven. He works from dawn til dusk. He is not a racist and you are very judgmental to think you know him.

      • Dennis

        Tell Rastus I think she works for the BLM or Reid

      • Strandwolf

        Hey, the guy is a Mormon. You want to delve into their beliefs? Every guy gets his own planet to run. Like an emperor. You better check that dogma against your alleged principles of liberty. Google ‘Kolob’.

        • lolaz

          Strandwolf, Stop propagating lies! You are clueless of what you just posted and it makes your views no longer credible when you spread lies. FYI, much of what one reads on the internet is not true.. If you want truth, don’t read propaganda that twists everything.

    • Cindy Kay

      At the height of slavery in 1863 only 1.6% of the population owned slaves, and they were mostly Democrats. Perspective is a wonderful thing. It is not us against you, but us united against an overreaching federal government. The military men know what government controlled healthcare; once you enlist in the military, you do become a slave.

    • Angry Grandma

      Having a family life ? Their family members were sold, children taken and sold. What family life? Doing things, what “things” were they doing? Were they allowed to go out and have a good time? Were they allowed to take a trip, or have a night out ? Were they treated with decency and respect ? Spin his comment however you want, it does not change the racist implications.

  • Russ

    The problem is that he DIDN’T use white trailer trash as an example, he used blacks. And he said they’d be better of as slaves.
    As for this “marine”, I’ll just keep my comments on his mental faculties to myself.

    • Tom

      No he did not, watch the video again and read the transcript. He said I WONDER IF…

    • Chandie Bartell
    • Dennis

      Hmm so a black man stands for Mr Bundy because he know him and something is wrong with him??? You are the one that has it wrong ….you must be a follower of MSNBC

      • Russ

        Slick I have in my own family tree people who were lynched by people wearing hoods and burning crosses AND the people who wore the hoods. Anyone who starts off his statement with “What I know about the Negro is…” And then goes on to compare supposed economic servitude to actual slavery based on his oh-so-expansive “knowledge” of the “negro” is a racist. If the guy standing next to him cannot see that then he’s either an idiot or owes him something.

        • Dennis

          Why dont you just call The MArine an uncle tom,sellout or an any other pejorative……You listen to something edited ..I listened to the whole 4 min…Bundy’s talk was about the Negro family …Nothing more than what Bill Cosby has said in the past

          • Russ

            I did. Read other posts.
            I’ve also heard the unedited version AND the subsequent interviews where he took the rope handed to him and hung himself (figuratively speaking).
            Bill Cosby was attempting to get young black men to take responsibility as one of their elders and said NOTHING about them being better off as slaves.
            This guy was talking about “what (he knew) of the Negro”.
            BIG difference.

          • Dennis

            Sorry it seems that the fact that the Marine stated that Bundy was NOT a Racist holds more meaning to me than what you think he said

          • Russ

            And I don’t let others tell me what to think, especially when the evidence to the contrary is right in front of me ;)

    • KDM

      What he said may not have come across right, but please understand that he was saying that we are slaves to the goverment. He used African American people as the example because unfortunately in history AA people were slaves, only in a different way that everyone is today. “White Trailer Trash” was a very ignorant statement on your part. People of all races live in trailers and that doesn’t make us any better than they are because we don’t! Sometimes that is all someone can afford to keep a roof over their families heads! I am white and some white people are white ‘trash’. I’ll be the first to admit that. My husband is hispanic and I can clearly tell you there is also hispanic ‘trash’. It isn’t what color you are that makes you a person. What matters is who you are as a person.

      • Russ

        Agreed. Problem is that’s not the case with Bundy. This is a man making claims to land he doesn’t own, not paying fees that everyone else does because he thinks he’s above that, and generally garnering fame and being praised for being a criminal. THEN he comes out with this “What I know about the Negro…”.
        Hell no. I am so sick of this clown and the idiots defending him.

    • stopthesocialism

      He never said Blacks would be better off as slaves. He said the condition of the Black community now is worse than when they were slaves. Big difference. And he’s right. Democrats have destroyed the Black community with their programs.

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  • Dave Hayes

    he
    [Bundy] said “individually they’re good” on Alex Jones(referring to
    blacks). does that mean as a “whole” they’re not? I’m afraid these
    damage control pieces come off as just that….damage control. And the
    worst kind of racists are kissy kissy nicey nicey when confronted one on
    one with a blackman. they’ll even say ” I have lots of black friends”

  • Eric Jones

    In the 21st century we as Americans are still very segregated in our neighborhoods, our schools, our churches, and in our personal interactions form each other.

    Conservatives get a bad wrap because many tend to be older, tend live in more racially homogeneous neighborhoods and they tend to interact with people like themselves in their daily lives .So, their only window into the lives of AA ‘s comes from what they have seen on the nightly news (can we all agree that the media distorts the truth) or passing through the inner city on their way to their job or to a sporting event downtown. Then they speak from the position of authority about a segment of the population that they really know nothing about. We spend more time talking at each other rather than listening to each other and coming up with solutions in this country and it’s getting tiering. The truth is we are all becoming slaves to the system. We better all wake up very soon.

    • Strandwolf

      tiresome, indeed. Bad rap. How the heck did you get ‘homogeneous’ right? Most let it go at homogenous.

  • Dave Hayes

    you were born into slavery, number assigned, the master will now take control of your mind and you’ll blindly follow. but that dpesnt give bundy a pass. he is what he is. get over it and move on, nothing to see here… :)

  • Rastus
  • Rastus

    That is supposed to be the unedited version for those of you who haven’t had the opportunity.

  • Catherine Morris

    NOT buying the author’s statement. He has NO idea what goes on in the little mind of Cliven Bundy. AND, no one has the right to postulate on the benefits of Slavery including Cliven Bundy since there are NONE! Give me poor and free ANY day. However Sir, thank you VERY much for your service in the Marines.

  • ConservativesRUs

    So a right-wing black Republican is BFFs with a white racist. Doesn’t mean the comments weren’t racist, it just means the right-wing black Republican is an ignorant right-wing black Republican. (oxymoron alert)

    • epom

      So if a black man doesn’t believe what you want him to believe he is irrelevant? Interesting how the left tries to control the hearts and minds of black people, pretty much using them as tools, yet it is the right that is racist. Also, if you actually paid attention to his comments, his claim was that black people were saved from one form of slavery only to be put into a new form of slavery through government subsidies, which is a valid point.

      • ChainUp

        I’m kind of thinking Bundy is using that gentleman as a prop.

        • Dennis

          Now you are saying that the black man is nothing but a tool for Bundy ….who is RACIST NOW

          • 724willy

            I think we are winning Dennis, A lot of black folks are reading
            these comments, and writing patriotic posts. The raging rants
            may lead to thoughtful consideration as they see the hell liberalism has brought down all around them.

          • Dennis

            God willing

    • Dennis

      Why don’t you call him an uncle tom that’s what you liberals are good at

  • Mark A. Edgar

    I thank the Marine for his service and is perspective. I pray for your safety and protection where ever you go. I have never determined a friend ship based on skin color, gender or geography, it has always been about character, demeanor, and values. When I was in Vietnam it was about who I could depend on to have my back, who could be depended on to get the job done. My best friend was a black man from Seattle Washington. The least liked and most difficult to tolerate was a big white guy from the Bronx in NY and a small black guy from the same area called Oats. The black guy told me he was in Vietnam to learn to kill white people. Jake had as big or bigger problem with him than I did. I have a news flash if you haven’t noticed it, the biggest purveyors of racism are Washington insiders. The fact is disagreement with your ideals or your beliefs how ever formed is not racism.
    For forty plus years I have said the worst thing that ever happened to the Native Indian was the reservations and government control. It is a sad anytime when an entity be it a gang or a government or a race takes charge of your thinking, your value, your social integrity and assumes the right to determine who you are. what you are, what you can be and what you can stand for. We are made to think, to interact and have value. I do not want a government that assumes to be my guardian , my god, or my provision. I would rather fail ten times and still have the right to get up and try again, the hope, the faith and the encouragement of the same even unto death. That rather then loose the right of failure or success while walked placidly through life with some one else determining my value, my worth and my talent and heart. To be held in judgment, to have my life valued and placed in society by the power of social entity or peer pressure and disallowing me to have self determination and faith to rise and overcome circumstance is to enslave me wither you label it that way or not. Shame on you who try to force any of use to stay in place due allegiance of race, ethnicity, gender, gang brotherhood or any other external man made value.

  • Natalie39

    Sorry, Mr. Delta I am not buying what you are selling. What I cannot understand is why you are a traitor to policies that have tried to make a better life for those who have been so historically brutally crushed. I am a white Jewish woman and I know some self loathing Jews who would step on their own toes to be accepted by the majority. Why you say what you say only you can know. See the film “Twelve Years a Slave” a true story of a black man returned to slavery and then tell me how wonderful you think that disgusting institution was or read books about and from the anti bellum and post bellum south.

    I wrote the following as to my sentiments. Why they are not your sentiments is anyone’s guess.

    In America in the 1930’s there were supporters, here, of the nascent NAZI Party and its German (although he was Austrian) fascist leader whose name I need not mention. One could find some supporters of this unmentionable man in an organization that became known here as the German American Bund. They were surely not the majority of Americans of German or Austrian descent just as the majority of Japanese in this country were loyal Americans but that the German American Bund was present in this nation nonetheless cannot be denied.

    Clive Bundy has an appropriate name because he is now one of the leaders of another bund, similar in philosophical racist nature to the German/American Bund of an earlier era and he is accompanied by other extremist rightwing militia malcontents who support him. They do not believe in the federal government unless of course if the White House were occupied by a wingnut nativist or when the federal right wing Supreme Court hands down decisions from the fabulous five justices they happen to love. Curiously enough before the election of the half African American Barack Obama these right wing white supremacist nationalist hate groups were at an all-time low. Elect Obama and their membership has exponentially grown. Threats to the president are now commonplace as the hate they spread courses through the veins of Bundy-like nincompoops as a poisonous snake winds its way into the Nevada desert.

    These know nothing English fracturing unable-to-utter-a-grammatically-correct-sentence Cretans should not be given the respect of newsworthy time which simply feeds the insatiable American appetite for sensationalist news and the networks’ (Fox comes to mind) desire to make as many billions as they can from it.

    Bundy’s Bund is an American monstrosity that has as its ideological underpinning poetry a familiar ode to the racist segregationist south before and, indeed, after the Civil War. It was no surprise Bund Bundy uttered the imbecilic racist “ideas” he did concerning the advantageousness of the institution of slavery to the Negro (his word not mine.) His pea brain thinks and he says it would have been better for the Negro (again, his word not mine) had slavery not ended so Negroes could exist corncob pipe in hand, on their porch in familial bliss if they only learned how to pick cotton. I suggest he try slavery himself sometime. There is plenty of it around the world to test his assumptions.

    The only thing more incredulous than what this sewage exporting guttersnipe Bund Bundy says is the number of American misfits who are standing at his side pretending to be Colonial Minutemen, weapons in hand ready to kill a federal government officer at a moment’s notice. Bundy’s Bund is the reflection of a shameful fact of American life which is still even now in the nation’s blood resurrecting old Civil War canards nearly 150 years after the Union kicked the Confederate racists’ posterior costing us over 600,000 lives.

    Bundy’s Bund thrives on fomenting racist discord and its sidecar of violence. The networks thrive on the money he makes for them. Shame on his supporter Fox News once again for the lies they perpetrate and the divisiveness they sow. May Bundy and those idiots who support him slide back into the primordial ooze cesspool soup of life from whence they came so the cancer that exists in our body politic can be exorcised and cleansed from our nation’s soul once and for all!

    • stopthesocialism

      Democrats are Nazis. Wake up.

      • Strandwolf

        Republicans are fascists. Go back to bed and recharge your mind.

        • Dennis

          The correct term isLiberal /demorat /commies

    • Dennis

      NAtalie lady take those meds …your rant is terrible …focus stay on topic

    • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

      The problem I have with your thinking is…while historical comparisons are good at teaching us to not make the same mistakes… we have in fact evolved to a whole different scenario now… We have a new form of “slavery” and it isn’t based on skin color but instead the number of zeros in ones’ bank account.

      Our politicians who are suppose to serve us have sold out to the Oligarchy that has replaced our Republic. We only have puppet masters, puppets to the puppet masters, and peasants.

      If you can lucidly explain why Harry Reid, his son, and their appointed BLM affiliate have been trying to make billion dollar deals with Chinese Investors off this “public” land that Bundy is said not to be entitled to use… We can then entertain that this story is simply no deeper, nor has any hidden agendas beyond the surface ones presented in our News Media (all owned and tightly controlled by six corporations).

      When you transition from your intrigue of the past, and begin to see beyond the current illusions of our Federal Government being controlled by the secret Federal Reserve and World Banks, our now great disparity between those in Royalty ruling the peasants, and the reality of where we all below that line of wealthy entitlement are controlled, oppressed, and exploited only to the ends we are “viable” to the new slave masters… then we can perhaps be concerned again about ancient history. However, until we have truly looked upon our realistic circumstance of today…clearly, and soberly beyond the grand illusions from thought control, propaganda and brainwash… we may someday discover that link from where it all really began to go so wrong…

  • Xfuz

    Natalie-your comment is so off topic, so totally ludicrous, and out of touch with reality that it does not even warrant a response. How about some substance? Instead of slogans….Your socialist communist slant is apparent. Either that or you are completely insane and need to take your medication. Semper Fi Delta. Natalie is not Jewish-she is probably a HE and is most definitely an ill person. Natalie or Nate or whatever your name is you spent three paragraphs proving your an idiot. You need only to use three sentences next time. I sense you may be a college professor. You certainly sound like one.

  • stopthesocialism

    “Waning Republic” – so true. Greatness appears when the worse situations arise.

  • Dennis

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk9dzcmiWwI#t=224 Here is a another black man stating that Clive Bundy is NOT a racist BUT a compassionate man

  • stopthesocialism
  • disqus_fPYgoJntnU

    Amen and thank YOU for your service.

  • Zebulon Yegaboski

    Unfortunate. A hard working, frustrated, inarticulate “hayseed” makes some stinging TRUTH, in a clumsy, ignorant, racist manner. They were frothing for SOMETHING to discredit him with. What we have is a distraction from the real issue. Semper Fi, Leatherneck.

  • ljhed

    If anyone thinks they might be better off as a slave needs to spend time as one (they still exist in the world today you idiot). Also, why would anyone who thinks “we are all slaves to this waning republic” join the military that protects that government? Bundy is a racist, an idiot, who’s “friends” use terrorist tactics to achieve an asinine goal. This is the last time I’m viewing this page so don’t bother replying.

    • Dennis

      You heard nothing of what he said no more than what Bill Cosby has said…. the Family institution is lacking in the black community……it declined after the welfare state started….. the black family was strong in the 50′s

  • Chuckygee

    Here is the glaring problem with your support of this man. His statement is a distortion of the truth with racist undertone.

    You can try to clear it up all you want, but as a black man myself, I do not see how you can attempt to twist this into anything but what it is.

    I am sure Mr. Bundy is a great guy to be around. He has the charisma to gather a group of supporters around him to fight for his cause. But one attribute does not negate the other.

    If you look at the welfare system in this country, the majority of its recipients are not black. White people are the majority in population and the majority of the receipents. His statements pretend that only black people are on assistance, and ignores the majority of black people that are not on assistance living wonderful great lives.

    Mr. Bundy may be fun to pal around with, but he is an opportunist. The same type of opportunist that was willing to exploit slave labor to build wealth. His speech betrays this. How could any reasonable person believe that someone would be happier being property of another.

    And the glaring problem with his statement is the black families were broken up all the time during slavery because they were sold as individual property, not as a productive family unit.

    I for one am a father, a husband and black. I live a very productive life and cannot imagine how anyone can support a person that refuses to take responsibility for his own actions concerning his business obligations, but pretends to know what is better for an entire other race.

    • Dennis

      The Black family was intact in the 50′s what happened in the 60′s ….welfare and that was the beginning of the of the demise of the family……. It has gotten better but still lacking ….he said no more than what Bill Cosby said awhile back

      • Chuckygee

        Sorry Dennis, but the white family is suffering the same plight. There are more unmarried births and fathers leaving the family in poverty for the new younger wife.

        Bill Cosby spoke as a black man to the black community. Mabye Bundy should be speaking to the white community about bettering themselves.

        • RealityObserver

          Maybe we all – Mr. Cosby and Mr. Bundy included – should be talking to all communities as human beings.

        • Dennis

          Hmm maybe so but I have not seen it …. I am seeing more YOUNG black men standing tall being responsible for wife and family and being productive conservative citizens …..

        • colsooonscoorner

          Well all I can say is the welfare state puts peoples minds in a zombie-like state. As long as the state pays I don’t need to move. That’s when people lose their own individuality. I don’t care if your a purple people eater. It just sits people in a corner of nothingness. Plain old no future. Sucks!

        • patriotgirl

          This is what I don’t understand, Chucky. I viewed Bill Cosby as an AMERICAN man. Why do you say he was a black man speaking to the black community, as if a white person has no right to quote him or.comment on something he says. With all due respect that is racism. Blacks want everyone to not see color, but yet here you are, pointing it out to us. You can’t have it both ways.

          • Chuckygee

            My response was a rebuttal of Dennis that what Mr. Bundy said was the same thing as Bill Cosby. I was attempting to put Bill Cosby’s comments into context. I did not say he should not be quoted.

            Mr. Bundy was the one that introduced the race of welfare recipients with his comments referenced in the video. He did not say “maybe welfare recipients would be better off as slaves”, He said “maybe they (Negros) would be better off as slaves.”

    • RealityObserver

      I have not seen figures on this – but my gut feeling is that you are correct, sir, and that there are more “White” people than “Black” people on welfare in the year 2014.

      The damning fact, though, is that as a percentage of their population, there are far more Blacks on welfare. This is not a damning fact for the majority of Blacks, however – it is a damning fact for the White racist Regressives in our government, and those Blacks that work as their plantation foremen.

      You have also bought into the word twist of the Master Class – Mr. Bundy did not speculate that Blacks would be “happier” as slaves; he speculated that they might be “better off” as slaves. Perhaps my interpretation is not his meaning; unlike the Regressive propagandists, I do not claim to read thoughts. For what it is worth, though, think of this – is a man that does not feel the chains upon his body, the shackles upon his thoughts, not less free than the man that feels the burning and chafing of the chains, the casual brutality of the overseer? The man who knows his slavery can dream of his freedom, and fight to obtain it – the man who does not has no dreams, and will never fight.

    • Cindy Kay

      Back at the height of slavery in this country, only 1.6% of the population owned slaves. Keep things in perspective. It is not us against you, it us against big government.

      • patriotgirl

        And, lest we forget, the South was a Democratic bastion at the time. Go figure!

    • YouDon’tKnowChit

      Sorry this man would disagree with you

      E.W Jackson speaking of his family
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMyV9632PZA#t=47

      Derrick Grayson as well would disagree with you too
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cd3TG9uoMg

      Dr James David Manning also have a few words that would dispute you
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk9dzcmiWwI&feature=youtu.be

      • Chuckygee

        As I have said to the others, the family lives of ALL races are affected. My point is why does Mr. Bundy attempt to speak for black people by referring to a small group of the community that is unproductive without any understanding of what is “better” for us.

        The question is still unanswered how slavery was better for the black family.

        • patriotgirl

          He is an old man from a different time and.perspective. As I posted earlier slavery is SLAVERY, whether your master was the plantation owner or is the US government. I believe that Bundy was trying to draw a parallel to the abject poverty that he has witnessed with no goals or ambition, receiving a non-sustainable income thanks to slavery provided by the USG and slaves who were provided for with food, clothing, shelter and a family life. You are correct that slaves were bought/sold without any regard to family, but there were also those owners who did not break up families. I personally believe that slavery is a heinous act, as do most Americans, regardless of the Master.

    • Angry Grandma

      I agree with you, well said. I am white, and can tell you, yes, statistically there are more whites on welfare (what jobs do these people “protecting Bundy have that they are there and not working for weeks?). Bundy also has taken freely from the land to feed his cattle rather than pay the meager $1.35 a head to feed them, freeloading off the government.16,000 other, honest ranchers pay their grazing fees. Bundy also owns a 160,000 acre ranch, which he does not graze his cattle on. He stated that the government was taking his land, removing him from his land when this began…that was far from the truth. He was able to exercise his right to due process and lost several times in court. He defied court orders and incited a very dangerous situation by calling for a range war, even the court documents mention this threat. His remarks, however his followers want to spin it, clearly show his feelings. His actions are wrong, they are criminal and he seemed to be the party bringing the racial overtones into the picture. There was no reason to do that other than to dissuade away from his wrongdoing, especially after reports were coming out that his family history and ownership and grazing rights were not quite what he claimed. Seems he was causing this issue to get away from his not so truthfuk words as well as actions.

      • Dennis

        he also won once in the court……what the BLM was criminal no reason to bring in the guns

    • patriotgirl

      With all due respect, Chucky, people rallied around Bundy for the glaring issue of the federal government going for yet another unconstitutional land grab…not bc of the turtles but to give the land to their fat cat cronies to start wind, solar and geothermal “energy farms” … subsidized with our tax dollars, so that people like Al Gore And othr big Democratic bundlers to the party can line their pockets on the backs of all Americans (oh, by the way, does anyone know what happened to the eco-friendly car dear ‘ole Al was given millions to produce in Sweden?). So, I don’t believe you were correct in stating that people rallied to Bundy bc of his “charisma” (although he may be charismatic, as stated by the marine).

    • DalasKnight

      What responsibilities concerning his own business obligations has he not taken?

      • Chuckygee

        He has known and understood that feeding his cattle on that property required a fee payment. Because he disagreed with the governments right to charge that fee, he has not paid.

        If I decided I did not recognize the federal government and stopped paying income tax, I would go to jail.

        Because I am a business owner, I have to send my tax payments in. They are not taken out automatically. I drive on the roads and live under the military protection that the US Government provides. If I do not like the laws, I talk to my representative to have those laws changed.

        Why should his business be any different?

    • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

      Could you then clear up something for me that I still just can’t resolve about this whole issue? It concerns why Harry Reid, his son, and appointed affiliate to the BLM had the agenda of getting Bundy off this “public land” and have been trying to make billion dollar deals with Chinese investors is not considered significant to you? If this “public land” is for hikers to hike, and tortoise to tort around on….how come Reid, son and BLM are trying to get it from Bundy to make billons off it? Just wondering….

  • DalasKnight

    You are absolutely right Charlie Delta! Our government has put us all into bondage and they will use race, politics, income, gender or sexual orientation to keep us all divided! If “WE the People” could find a way to come together, we could end this system! A house divided against itself can not stand! It’s time we came together and stand as one people, under God, under the Constitution!!

    • notgonna

      So no athiests then?

      • patriotgirl

        Guess you are our “token.” Lol

      • DalasKnight

        “We the People” is inclusive of all Americans! It is your right to be an atheist!

      • Dennis

        They can be there too they just need stop whining about ” in god we trust”

  • 724willy

    Charley Delta , you got the same red patriot blood running through your veins as
    I , and every other American patriot does.
    Damn the wussi libtard torpedo’s, full speed ahead. Dirty Harry to the gallows.

  • notgonna

    Right, he is simply saying black people were better off in a totalitarian state in a communal farm setting, with no freedom, private property, or self interest in their own productivity.
    Nothing wrong with saying that except for that it is not true or remotely comparable and you should know better.
    Not to mention that he has stated that the US government does not exist and recieves farm subsidies from that non existent government.

    • DrSique

      First, that is not what he said. He said that many, including a lot of black families are not free under the current oppressive government. Second, how the hell do you know whether or not Bundy receives farm subsidies since he is a rancher. Third, if you want to hear racism, you will.

      • notgonna

        “I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing other things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
        Right from the horses mouth.
        You want to defend this now?

        • CapeConservative

          I guess you never heard of Senator Daniel Patrick Moynahan’s comments about the terrible effects of a growing welfare state that would end up destroying the black family.

          We all know people who were poor but made do just fine…lived a church-going life, raised a family that produced good citizens all without the benefits of big government stepping in to become the new ‘head of house’. The government removed personal responsibility and just look at the results!

          There is nothing wrong with being poor…when my husband was overseas twice for a year at a time in Vietnam, we lived without a phone the first tour…not enough money in the budget at the time. I didn’t expect the government to provide us with one, nor did I expect the government to provide us with food. I COOKED good healthy meals, never setting foot in a fast food restaurant, and our children did not suffer.

          Big government is NOT the answer…it is the PROBLEM!

          • notgonna

            How the hell can the government remove personal responsibility?
            Also not relevant to the comparison mr. bundy made. He compared today’s black people to the black people who where slaves, not the black people growing up in the 50′s.

          • Dennis

            by not allowing them to work for what they get welfare is a cancer to the soul

          • CapeConservative

            How the hell can the government remove personal responsibility?

            You’ve got to be kidding! You must be wearing blinders if you don’t believe that government has taken the place of husbands/fathers in FAR TOO MANY families!

          • colsooonscoorner

            You’ve git that right.

          • patriotgirl

            Well said!

        • patriotgirl

          I’ll defend this by saying “Is there a difference? Slavery is SLAVERY…doesn’t matter whether your Masta is a plantation owner or the guberment.

        • DalasKnight

          The fact still remains that the government has put everyone on one big plantation and the only solution is for everyone to set aside differences to put a stop to it!

    • patriotgirl

      Since you seem to be so well informed, show us the evidence to back up your words! Or maybe you’re just exercising your FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

      • carminAH!

        Why don’t you let the adults talk.

        • Dennis

          don’t like it when people are asked to prove a rant?

    • DalasKnight

      The government created by the original Constitutional Republic does not exist and has not existed since 1871!

      • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

        DalasKnight… I’d like to know more about the original Constitutional Republic not existing since 1871 as that info seems intriguing… Would you give me some references to look up so I can learn more about that?

        • DalasKnight

          Just type in “Act of 1871″ in your search engine and read what the act is all about. You can also go to The Republic of the United States web site and there should also be various patriot sites will be in the search results after you type in act of 1871. You can research the paper trail all the way to 1933. You will be shocked at what happened to our republic in that sixty year span.

  • LibsLie

    Your comments brought tears of joy to my eyes. You GET it! I’m disgusted with Glenn Beck & Hannity. Why do conservatives eat their own? Nothing he said was racist.

    • CapeConservative

      They are just playing follow the leader…I mean follow the Speaker!
      The clip I saw on the news tonight warrants an immediate response by EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN in the House of Representatives…tell the Speaker his days as a so-called ‘leader’ are OVER! Every member who believes the current immigration laws are NOT being enforced should demand Boehner step down IMMEDIATELY!

      We the People, the citizens who are OBEYING the laws of our country, demand the government enforce the laws currently on record and STOP trying to reward BAD (ILLEGAL) BEHAVIOR! There are people all over the world who are doing the RIGHT thing…following the letter of the law to apply to come to America…THEY deserve their chance, NOT those who have chosen to BREAK THE LAW!

      John Boehner needs to step up to the podium at the next day of business and RESIGN! His mocking of fellow Republicans was uncalled for and falls in the category of a Harry Reid attack! The Speaker’s behavior was definitely UNSTATESMANLIKE and he MUST RESIGN!

    • patriotgirl

      I agree. We should all write a scathing message to Hannity. I was furious when I read that Bundy disgusted him. Didn’t disgust him when the raid was happening. I believed Hannity to be a true patriot…much to my dismay, appears he is only a showboater for hire (not to mention the celebrity and the fat.paycheck).

      I couldn’t have said it better than this Marine. Kudoos to him. And kudoos to the person who posted the video on utube. Although I believe it would serve him best to keep his mouth ahut about anything but the dictator’s land grab…I also realize he is “showboating” in his 15 minutes of fame.

      • notgonna

        He still hasn’t been waterboarded on live tv like he promissed.

  • DrSique

    Bundy could have talked about kids on a playground or his favorite fishing spot. The liberal MSM was going to demonize him no matter what. The fact that so called conservatives are piling on is what makes me sick. Alinsky has taught the far left to attack the messenger when they are losing the debate and that is exactly what is happening. This Marine has been up close and personal with Cliven Bundy. I will take his word over that of the New York Times on any day.

    • Billrolan

      “Diversity” means chasing down the last white person.

    • Wulf

      Any black person who defends Bundy will be called an Unc le Tom. I agree with you about piling on. That’s part of the reason I stopped watching news/TV. It’s all about being sensationalistic. I wonder how many people on various comment boards simply read the headlines.

      All the people who go to CNN and NY Times read the so called “racist” snippets, and Bundy being a “racist” will be the only thing that sticks in their minds.

      Even before Bundy had black people defending him, I could not see anything “racist” with his comments. People want to mangle and coerce things to fit whatever agenda they seek.

  • Varonica Griffin

    Since he is such a great and wonderful man maybe he will buy you from your family and let you be his slave. Then you can see just how much better slavery really is.

    • john l

      Not saying slavery was good…but looking at facts in those times blacks had a roof, worked hard, and were fed well..nowadays anyone on welfare or food stamps eat crappy food, section 8 housing is like living in a dumpster, and barely work….

      • notgonna

        Have you watched Roots?

        • Varonica Griffin

          Thank you. My point exactly.

          • Cindy Kay

            What exactly was your point, Varonica? If all of the U.S. citizens were racists, would the author of ‘Roots’ have made such a ton of money, not only on the book, but the mini-series? If you actually believe the federal government is not overreaching, then I extend my sympathies to you.

        • john l

          The use of a t.v. show to prove a point does no justice.

          • Varonica Griffin

            It does when its based on facts.

          • Mark Wilson

            Refer to my earlier post…I thought you were educated? I thought you knew about early American history?

          • Dennis

            it was fiction …you didnt know that huh

        • Mark Wilson

          I was recently researching the topic of “slavery in America.” A very interesting subject, you should research it some time. The greater amount and first slaves in America were actually of Irish decent, yes whites. Then later the African’s were brought to the country as slaves. The Irish(white) slaves were treated very badly; yet the African slaves were considered very valuable and prized and were treated very well, compared to the Irish slaves. In the early part of the 19th century they started breeding the African males with the Irish females, hence the Mulatto came about. Which was the lighter skinned slaves. African slaves sold for on average 10x the amount of Irish(white), slaves. This is the information you won’t find in the history books or in a movie. If anyone should be pissed about slavery, it should be the Irish Americans.

      • Varonica Griffin

        Not to mention beaten and tortured most of time. And they weren’t fed well, they ate what their masters saw fit to give them. That’s why people fought for their freedom.

        • john l

          Actually they were fed well. think of it like this. Again im not in favor of slavery. Im just stating facts: lets say you have chickens and want them to produce eggs… you must feed them well, or else they wont produce. In terms of slaves, they were fed well so they can work hard to produce what the slave owners wanted. Sick and starving slaves didnt produce cotton. As much as you want to think the civil war was about slavery the FACT is it was about taxation and how the south was paying way too much of it

          • Varonica Griffin

            I never said anything about the civil war being solely about slavery. I am an educated white woman. But I know that in our countries history more of the wars were fought to help us gain ALL the freedoms that we do have black , white or any color.

          • john l

            Really?? Im not bashing you and im sure you are more government educated than i am. With that said lets look at the freedoms “gained”.. before world war 1 we could travel the world without a passport. After….passports needed. After the civil war taxation was greatly increased across the board. Yes slaves were freed but that would have happened anyway without a bloody massacre due to technology improving. Only 2 countries had war to “free slaves”.. every other country it ended on its own naturally. During the civil war if a slave was captured in the north your government would pay 5 bucks to “free” the slave and 10 bucks to bring the slave back to the owner…hmmm i wonder what was a better deal? Now we are on the other side of the world and i have no idea what freedoms the governments military is defending.

          • Varonica Griffin

            Well obviously you have never been in service to your country or had anyone that was or you wouldn’t be talking this way. You just seem awfully down on America to be living here.

          • john l

            Actually my father is a vietnam vet and an officer for rockland county NY (ret). You simply act as if the “government” stands for the people! No matter how many of our guys died for invading other countries. You must love paying taxes and love the “drug war”. Great! Then you pay for it! Dont force me by gunpoint to hand my money over to a mafia. We went to war over a 2% tax on tea….now (at least in ny) income tax is close to 35%!! Yep i will just keep handing my money over…. you probably dont realize that you defending your position “being american” and supporting our government, you SUPPORT slavery! When one groups controls another thats slavery! And you support it!

          • Varonica Griffin

            How dare you. I am married to a black man who is also a Vietnam vet. I never said I was supporting our government and I am damn sure not supporting slavery. I am just more respectful about people having rights and freedoms than you or cliven Bundy.

          • john l

            You dont have to be black to be a slave. And yes i dare to go there because you defendjng the status quo means you do believe in these wars and supporting people…i mean troops.. killing OTHER PEOPLE for a government. Not for the people. More soldiers killed themselves after the vietnam war than during it. Why? Because they couldnt stand the fact that they killed other people! Other humans! That war did not protect our freedom.

          • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

            Still have an enormous high rate of ME suicides going on today… and how has this war been about “our freedom” either?

          • Dennis

            9-11

          • spatcher

            As a Nam Vet myself, did you know that currently there are 22 military people a day committing suicide? That’s a fact!

          • john l

            Your telling me something i already stated.

          • Cindy Kay

            Says she’s a white woman and educated, now we find out she’s married to a black man. Good gracious, we need to heed her every word. “How dare you”, should be punctuated with an exclamation point!!! Just sayin’…

          • Varonica Griffin

            You don’t have to heed anything. You are entitled to your opinion just like I am though. That’s the joys of living in a free country.

          • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

            Veronica… since you are married to a black man… let me break it down for you… I bet if you discuss it with him he’ll fill you in a little more about the illusion that “slavery” has ended… It hasn’t… just ask him.

          • Varonica Griffin

            We have discussed it. I know how hard he has had it and still does. I am under no illusions. That is why I was so offended by the statements of cliven Bundy.

          • Cindy Kay

            Points out she’s white and educated, racist or not?

          • Varonica Griffin

            Is also married to a black educated man. Pay attention. Even if I wasn’t I know that slavery is wrong. Guess that makes me a bad person huh?

          • Cindy Kay

            We are all slaves to the federal government; buying into the indoctrination just means you haven’t done research on the subject. Ever heard of FATCA? H.R.2847 is Obama’s jobs bill passed in 2010, but Title V was attached. This goes into full effect July of this year giving the IRS the power to demand that foreign banks, investment companies, and countries must withhold 30% of income and/or interest of U.S. citizens, and pay that to the IRS. What if other countries demanded that of the U.S.? We need to close loopholes in our tax code, but even you must see that this an extreme way to do it. Is it any wonder the world hates the U.S.? Predictions are the worst economic depression ever seen. As if Obamacare wasn’t bad enough.

          • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

            Do you not see Obama’s agenda of trying to recoup the tax avoiders by getting that money back into the U.S. from those off-shore account these multi-millionaire-billionaire “Corporations” that are deemed a “person” are hiding away instead of “trickling” down? It isn’t our “Federal Government” it is the Puppet Masters that have bought the souls of a large percentage of our puppet government officials…

            These covert “Kings” are running the show, changing the tax laws, etc., while the peasant poor and middle class pay all the taxes for the Country the billionaires use to make their profits and then stick it in banks in other countries to avoid paying their share!

          • Silky Wiley

            Those 1%, multi-national corporations already saw this coming and left starting in 2006. But by all means go on squawking about the rich. You are clueless about all this.

          • Cindy Kay

            The big picture is that we need to close loopholes, not dictate to foreign governments to collect taxes.

          • Silky Wiley

            What those laws mean is that Americans will not be able to get foreign bank accounts or do business outside the USA. Other countries are not going to deal with that bs. We are becoming a prison country. Try to leave and take your assets. The truly wealthy and multi-nationals saw this coming in 2006 and started the capital and intellectual capital drain. They are already gone, hear the crickets? And we are fighting over the inarticulate words of an old rancher. We are all becoming slaves. That is the point.

          • Silky Wiley

            Is there anyone who said slavery is good? Strawman burning.

          • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

            Veronica…are still believing “we ALL have freedoms”. That bubble has burst dear, we, none of us, are free, unless we are a member of the Oligarchy vice being a peasant of theirs. Slavery is still alive and well… It has been transformed, and it no longer based on skin color (the purpose of that was so a slave could be easily identified). Now, slavery is based on your bank account…

            If you are truly educated… and understand the big picture… The Federal Reserved System; How our Economy really works in favor of the now “person” Corporations, and how the white, black and brown peasants are shut out of acquiring wealth… then you might begin to see what is truly occurring.

          • Varonica Griffin

            My point is if this so called marine thinks slavery is so great why doesn’t he give up his freedom to be someones slave.

          • Gregory71

            You are too funny. Thank you for the laughs.

          • john l

            So called marine? Im pretty sure he is.. with that said he did not defend slavery. He showed you an ugly truth that you refuse to understand.. we are all slaves under the boot of a violent tyrannical entity.

          • maryjane

            He is saying Bundy made a bad analogy, but people have more self respect if they help themselves and stop relying on others to take care of them.

          • spatcher

            Notice how you have to explain EVERYTHING to Libs? I do believe they skipped school during Reading Comprehension days!

          • Dennis

            he NEVER SAID that….. he said that Bundy was a good man …can people say the same about you …being a good woman

          • Silky Wiley

            He never said anything remotely like that. Still with the strawmen and dissembling.

          • carminAH!

            When you lack the freedom to choose what, when, and how to eat then I guess your not eating very well are you. I suppose we got Hitler all wrong to. I mean he did unify the fatherland right? And don’t forget when Stalin brought his helping hands to Ukraine. We’ve all been wrong all along! Thank you for helping adjust to your version of filtration.

          • john l

            Wrong.. when i was young my mother made sure i ate veggies. i hate veggies but im strong and healthy. Do you refute the fact that if you starve chickens you wont get eggs??

          • carminAH!

            I guess what I’m trying to say is that sometimes people say really dumb things, or make horrible analogies, or they make extremely weak argument’s. So please take a strong look in the mirror and stop trying to make mole hills out of mountains. I guess ultimately I disprove of your lack of compassion for the plight of the people (slaves) who were shown force, repression, etc. You know when the “workers” in the North Korea labor camps find corn in the cow patties they consider that to be eating well.
            (Drops live microphone on the stage)
            And I’m out…

          • john l

            Since your out i will grab the mic…. you still havent answered my question. Which is fine since you dont want to admit your wrong. (Places mic in mic stand, takes a bow, curtains close)

          • Dennis

            Meaning YOU

          • Travis MacLaren

            Wow there are some thick people in here, no one is saying that slavery is or was good. He was simply stating a fact that the stories of universal daily moment by moment beatings and whippings were not always the case. Yes there were those situations but there were also a lot of situations where they were grated very well for the exact reasons he stated. That doesn’t negate the horrific nature of slavery itself and no one (well except the idiots) is saying slavery is or was good and the comparison to what is going on now is partly metaphorical but the hopelessness and acceptance of the situation that most of the lower class is facing is a slavery in it’s own right.

          • Dennis

            As a thought what the great great grandfather and grandmother put up with gave their family the ability to live in the greatest country….. yes there was slavery and struggles BUT the opportunities are available here

    • maryjane

      You look like you don’t work for a living either.

    • Daniel R. Moore

      How do “you people” blow things out of proportion? Even when “your kind” doesn’t even want you on there side. It just blows my mind how “you people” always have something negative to say, try to look at the beauty in things, or are you to ugly, and I’m talking on the inside, to think theres any thing beautiful in the world?

  • Peggy Scott

    I agree with what Bundy said and I am not a racist blacks are worse off today than they were because of the government .The government wants blacks and Hispanic to depend on the government so they will always vote for democrats

    • Varonica Griffin

      Blacks are not the only ones on government assistance. There are more whites than blacks that are getting help. I guess they should be slaves too then huh.

      • patriotgirl

        Not that “they should be,” Varonica, they are.

      • don

        Mr Bundy mentioned that. Please read the entire article before criticizing him.

      • Travis MacLaren

        They are in point of fact.

      • Lee Elliot

        Thank you mam!

        • Dennis

          smile as you say that….

      • Cindy Kay

        Looking at the percentages, the proportion of blacks on assistance is larger. Comparing oranges to apples does not make you correct.

      • disqus_NduX25XS4Q

        The problem with your statement is that blacks are less than 15 percent of the population
        So even if their are more whites on welfare you would expect that because there are more than 5 times more white people in this country. You can’t compare apples to oranges to make your point.

      • maryjane

        Anyone any color needs to work for themselves and take care of their responsibilities.better ofes snd their families instead of others doing it for them. People who didnt plan ahead and get skills for good jobs shouldn’t expect to raise a family on a job where one says “Do you want fries with that?” They are paid what they are worth.

        • carminAH!

          You are one sick puppy. I’m am very disgusted with the distortion of history, the lack of love and respect for his or her fellow woman and man, and ultimately the lack of “respectable” intelligence found within many of your sad examples of regurgitated propaganda. History (or Herstory) will recognize you for what you are and what you lack. And by the way maryjane I think you are an indecent person with whom I have very, very little respect for.
          Good day.

          • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

            And Mary Jane… these not so “good jobs” have to be done by someone. After you earn your pay at your good job and go by McD’s or Walmart you need someone to “serve” you… Why should they work 40 hours a week for poverty pay?

          • Dennis

            Because Mc d is NOT suppose to be a job you are in forever

          • Dennis

            So you are one of those minimum wage $15 ./hour people LOL

          • Dennis

            so you think that people do not have to work??

      • Silky Wiley

        They are treated like slaves and they have no assets, and very little ability to escape. And it leads to continuing generations in this soft slavery.

    • notgonna

      So you think being owned as property, beaten and degraded regularily, no personal freedom, no ability to own property of your own is better than living on wealfare today?

      • http://kustomdesigner.com/ michael h

        He’s saying one form of slavery was traded for another. And how many welfare recipients do you know that own property? I would guess not many. Government abuses the hell out of the black population, jails them for drugs they bring in the country and then denies them education loans after jailing them. Its a bs system and I for one have had enough of this Government abusing us all.

      • Bob Compton

        Any slave owner with any sense at all treated his slaves as highly valued property. The myth of the routine beatings of all slaves was just that- a myth. It was in the owner’s best interest that his slaves were as fit and as content as could be possible, because they were the only way he could make a living. They were the geese that lay the golden eggs. The vast majority of slave owners were poor, and many times the slaves were treated as well as or better than his family. When they were emancipated, a lot of the slaves had to be chased off the property, as it was illegal for them to continue to live there.

      • Mark Wilson

        I was recently researching the topic of “slavery in America.” A very interesting subject, you should research it some time. The greater amount and first slaves in America were actually of Irish decent, yes whites. Then later the African’s were brought to the country as slaves. The Irish(white) slaves were treated very badly; yet the African slaves were considered very valuable and prized and were treated very well, compared to the Irish slaves. In the early part of the 19th century they started breeding the African males with the Irish females, hence the Mulatto came about. Which was the lighter skinned slaves. African slaves sold for on average 10x the amount of Irish(white), slaves. This is the information you won’t find in the history books. If anyone should be pissed about slavery, it should be the Irish Americans.

        • Mary

          Absolutely NOTHING you say is true. You must be “studying” i in the Hannity library. The Irish were “indentured” servants. They’re employers paid for them to come to America and forced them to work for many years to pay it off. I know, my ancestor was one of the first. “This is information you won’t find in history books”, then how did you “study”?

          • Mark Wilson

            No…research it for yourself…indentured servant is just a politically correct was of saying slave. The British sold 2/3 of Country of Ireland’s population into slavery. And they were treated far worse than the Africans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servant http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076

          • Silky Wiley

            Some of my ancestors from Switzerland were indentured servants, they were abused, sexually abused, their contracts sold, some worked to death, some committed suicide. One young boy escaped to the west. Slavery is slavery. And some Americans are still in slavery to the government and the rulers would like it to be the whole population.

      • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

        You left out the part where the black man was given the right to vote before Women… Much of the horrendous treatment of the black people was done in the deep South… They are still mistreated today, but their worse disillusionment does come from our now exposed Oligarchy.

        In addition to both the Sociological and Psychological impact of their slave beginnings in America… they have for the most part, only been transformed from slavery based on skin pigmentation into the “new slavery” which now encompasses everyone, regardless of color, who have bank accounts less than six figures…

  • john l

    This has been blown way out of proportion. Mr. Bundy simply wondered if blacks were better off back in the day or now.. more as a question. What is a mans question have to do with if he is a racist?? He never said that blacks are better off picking cotton. And there he is hanging out with a fellow human being. Not a black man or a african american…. A FELLOW HUMAN BEING!

    • notgonna

      “I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing other things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

      • Maritha

        Bundy never said “picking cotton”…the NYT is a lying newspaper. They have been caught in character assassination and race bating. And the sheeple will swallow the tripe every dang time!

        • Mary

          Why not actually WATCH what he says. He definitely says “picking cotton”.

          • Maritha

            My bad, he actually said “picking cotton” as a way of life. Is there something about “Picking cotton” that is racist? I listened to the entire, uncut version….this guy wants all people to have a family and not be slaves to a government. This still is character assassination by the NYT. But I have a distinct feeling I won’t convince you of anything. Here is the whole uncut version: http://www.infowars.com/unedited-video-shows-bundy-making-pro-black-pro-mexican-comments/

          • bud

            He said learned to pick cotton.

          • Dennis

            or he could have said learn a trade

          • Maritha

            Thank you Bud…I work by the hour, so when I get on these things I race through them. Again…I apologize for not seeing the nuance.

          • Silky Wiley

            I don’t know my great great grandfather picked cotton, right along with black people. I think he was a freckled red head.

          • Maritha

            I get weak at the knees still (age 56) when I see a strapping red-headed man! :D

          • bud

            Yes he does and you can tell he meant every word he said.

  • colsooonscoorner

    “Waning republic”, seems a very appropriate statement. As well as “former constitutional playground.” We are losing our freedoms. Now it’s Bundy’s, next will be Texas, Oklahoma on the Red River. From there who knows???

  • Cindy Kay

    Way to go, Kevin Jackson. Best discussion group ever.

  • George zook

    this is all nonsense … Mr buddy said what he said and every black man I know thinks it is racist. the Marine has a right to his opinion but I think it is obviously a racist opinion

    • Travis MacLaren

      Sorry but odds are the blacks you know have bought the Democratic party line of victimhood and the world (especially evil whitey) owes them something.

      • Eboeye

        Yes only the Black people that I say is right, is right

    • Edward Brandon

      So the Marine should have been a good little “house n*gger” and shut up ?? Just like when Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell and others say the same things, you liberals tards start calling them racist names. How about this, YOU shut YOUR racist party up ??
      Lemme see, you’ve got LBJ, Robert Byrd, Bull Connor, Lew Wallace, Harry Reid, Bill Clinton….. Your party founded the kkk. Embrace that fact that you and your entire party is nothing but racists. And trying to pawn your history off on anyone else, that is the path of the coward.

  • Michael

    The government is nothing but a legalized mob system.

  • iammoe

    Takers are takers no matter their skin color. Rule #1: Always take from takers! Rule #2: You can take from a giver but not to much, it makes them feel guilty! You can try to give to a giver but they usually won’t take it! Rule #3 Always take from takers!

  • Travis MacLaren

    Well said Kevin. I am kinda shocked that Rand Paul backed off of this so quickly without knowing what really was said… hope that is not a common thing for him or he is definitely not up to his fathers caliber.

  • American-By-Choice

    Semper Fi and “Well Said”, Brother. 77-81

  • 1AmericanKat

    first, i want to say “Thank you” for your service to our still great country and then i want to say thank you for taking a stand for mr bundy, whose words have obviously been taken out of context and used against him to promote racial strife. i am so tired of the media making race an issue with everything. to me, the hold a lot of the responsibility for creating some of the problems that exist.

  • maryjane

    I thought too bad he singled out one group. It would have been so accurate to say I don’t think that our society is better off having our government taking care of people all there lives rather than have people work for their living, encouraging marriage and actually raising the children they bring in this world. Many have a sense of entitlement and felt they are “owed” something simply because they exist. There are no consequences for being irresponsible. Welfare, medicaid, subsidized housing, food stamps and more. So much fraud

    • Dennis

      I know of white trash that think the same of entitlement…hell I have relatives that think that way…..just in case some think that ” white trash” should not be used

  • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1389021994656010/ Jennifer Logan Kamerer

    I love it! Through out my personal life-time, I have served a lot of the black veterans through my V.A. advocacy, taught them along with the white students, served our Country with them and befriended them…

    During several occasions, we’d have heart-to-heart discussions– and I know they aren’t easily fooled by disingenuous pseudo anti-racist proclaimers.

    It doesn’t surprise me one bit that the black people aren’t jumping on this contrived racist band-wagon invented by these supposed self-righteous “anti-racist” that are only trying to manipulate their political agendas!

    • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

      Right and those remarks about Cliven and Sarge are only from the demonrats biggest racists of all.

  • Cody Whitney

    Great statement! ….& thank you for your service, Sir.

  • oicu812a

    The only thing Bundy is “guilty” of is political incorrectness in the kangaroo-court of public opinion. 80-year-old country folks typically don’t contort to the mores of “cosmopolitan” society. So, we get the misunderstanding we got here; which has been spun by the statist media and PC pundits into something it isn’t. Bravo to those fine folks such as Charlie Delta, who boldly stand on principle, in the face of chaos and evil, for truth and justice.

  • Steven Sigmon

    thank you for your service sir, we need more men like you

  • lindy marie abbott

    refreshing and intelligent response! Thank you.

  • bud

    The problem is he paints all blacks with the same bigoted brush and worse is the fact he believes every word.

    • Boetica

      He was talking about what he observed about blacks in a government housing project near Las Vegas. That is hardly painting all blacks with the same bigoted brush. He’s wrong about Mexicans. People who hire them are unaware of all of the fraud they are involved in. Mexicans in the US have a very high rate of illegitimacy and welfare dependency.

      • Stanley Bluett

        And he came to those conclusions by “what he observed about blacks in a government housing project near Las Vegas”.
        How long was he there for? 2 minutes?

        • Witch_Doctor

          Witch Doctor asks how long does it take a hand in the fire to determine that it’s ‘hot’?

          Bones never lie.

        • patriotgirl

          Abject poverty hides in plain sight. Doesn’t require a rocket science degree to see.

        • Boetica

          There is plenty more to read about in Chicago, where the slum lords took advantage of poor people and government money, including Valerie Jarrett and Tony Rezko, the friends of the president.

      • http://www.Yahoo.com/?fr=fptb-msgr Determined3

        And I as a white person can tell you there are plenty of whites who suck off the government too so skin color has nothing to do with it they have this mentality or have been endoctrinated THE WORLD OWES THEM A LIVING.Well I’m 59 years old and have worked all my life from 18 till now still work full time and nobody owes me anything you go out and work for what you want because if it’s handed to you it’s only worth what you put in it.When people get free stuff they don’t appreciate it because it wasn’t their sorry behinds out there busting to earn the money to buy it so if it gets trashed they don’t care they can just piss and moan and they’ll get more so they can do the same over and over as we have seen it played out in many government housings but when the government doesn’t fix it then you hear them crying whoa is me yeah woa is you it’s not a sin to be poor but it is to stay there and expect hard working people who pay for your free stuff to feel sorry for you get up off the ground and stand and make something of your life.LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT NOT ME OR OTHERS.Ok I’m done thanks for letting me rant a little.GOD BLESS

        • Boetica

          Preach it! Totally agree.

    • Don Oberloh

      Bud, plea take tht iem to critically read the article without a preconceived determinaion og the facts, as presented. I will help you become more learned.

      • bud

        The facts are Bundy broke the law and this guy dressed like a terrorist with no name defends him.

        • patriotgirl

          How DARE YOU refer to a Marine as a terrorist. It is because of his and others standing watch and putting their lives on the line so that you can espouse your ignorance FREELY!

          • bud

            How do we know he is or was a marine?We don’t even know his name.

  • R.Banes

    “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro…” – Cliven Bundy

    Still curious as to what prompted the retort. (i.e. what question did the reporter ask)

    My initial response was:

    A 68-year-old white rancher compares his perception of the current state of African Americans with the days of slavery…*shocking*

    However, having reviewed the transcript of Mr. Bundy’s comment (unedited) and the context in which it was made, I was reminded that the correlation between the welfare state of many African Americans and slavery isn’t a new concept. It’s one that’s been raised over the years regarding noticeable trends preceding and relating to the 1964 War on Poverty which incentivized unwed mothers/broken families. Several attempts have been made to correct the trends with the incorporation of the Welfare Reform Act in 1996 followed by the Welfare Reform agenda in 2003.

    Last year, E.W. Jackson (an African American politician from VA) was lambasted during his bid for Lieutenant Governor for stating that the American government has been worse for “the black family” than slavery.

    Currently, African Americans make up 14% of the US population; however, make up approximately 40% of welfare recipients.72% of black children are born out of wedlock. 1 in every 15 black males are currently incarcerated and the Bureau of Judicial Statistics suggests that 1 in 3 can expect to be at some point in his lifetime.

    Granted, I’m sure Mr. Bundy wasn’t referring to governmental statistics, but
    rather his own scope of experience.

    So, the question remains; is Mr. Bundy a racist for wondering if African
    Americans are better off with the inclusion of government assistance programs than
    they were as slaves…

    *Note: having been brought up on welfare and foodstamps
    myself (my dad passed away when I was 9 and my mom lost her 5-year battle with
    cancer when I was 15), I can attest to the fact that the anti-family/anti-work
    requirements of gov’t benefits isn’t relegated to the African American
    community.

    S/F – RWB

    • Barrustio

      Very wise observation

  • Stanley Bluett

    His remarks “hold weight”????? Tell that to the black working and middle class, who have done they’re best to get where they are. I’m sure they’d appreciate your remarks.

  • mike

    Look at the definition, Bundy is not a racist. Stupid liberals.

    From Merriam Webster http://www.m-w.com

    rac·ism noun ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-

    : poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

    : the belief that some races of people are better than others

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    Full Definition of RACISM

    1

    : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

    2

    : racial prejudice or discrimination

    — rac·ist noun or adjective

    1prej·u·dice noun ˈpre-jə-dəs

    : an unfair feeling of dislike for a person or group because of race, sex, religion, etc.

    : a feeling of like or dislike for someone or something especially when it is not reasonable or logical

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    Full Definition of PREJUDICE

    1

    : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one’s rights; especially : detriment to one’s legal rights or claims

    2

    a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge

    b : an instance of such judgment or opinion

    c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

    • Chuckygee

      From your definition: “: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race”

      He believes that the Negros might be better off with white (since this is who owned slaves in the USA) slave owners controlling their lives. So he must believe they are superior to blacks in knowing how to manage their lives.

      What did i miss?

      • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

        A whole heck of alot. Pay attention and maybe you will learn something.

      • Barrustio

        Times change….you can be a slave owned by a White land owner or you can be a slave to him in the present when you become dependent on what he gives you

      • Don Oberloh

        Reality?

      • patriotgirl

        In your comments you missed that it was the DEMOCRATIC slave owners who kept you in slavery and that it is this DEMOCRATIC Administration buying more slaves daily. If someone owns you lock, stock and barrel, they manage your life b/c without their management you would die. See the correlation?

        • Chuckygee

          I think we can all agree that the nature of the political parties have changed in the last two hundred years. Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of the mess that is our federal government.

          Pretending like one side of the same coin is better than the other is why nothing will change.

      • mike

        Well you missed the meaning of “primary” that Bundy never specified for one thing. Stop grasping at straws. Let me specify. He did not say their race was to blame he said Government free money and dependency was to blame. NO one asked him what he might think of Whites living in the same conditions and we do have whites in the same boat. Now that this issue is closed do you give a rats ass about what the Feds have been up to?

        • Chuckygee

          By his lumping all black people. Negros, together, he has used that as a primary basis for his idea that they “might be better off”

          He did not say, “anyone on government assistance may be better off as a slave”, he singled out Negros.

          As far as the issue being closed, it is not. The race issue is the subject of the article.

          As far as the Fed issue: I think Bundy is a deadbeat. I have a lot of disagreements with how the Federal government handles things, but it does not give me the right to ignore the law.

          If I simply stated I don’t recognize the federal government and stopped paying taxes, none of you would come with guns to defend me.

          • mike

            He cited “the Negro” in the example he cited. Ask him to site an example on whites he probably could do that too. I know I could. The only entity using this as a primary basis is the media. Consider how the abuse by the BLM, the stand off and everything was NOT news until they found the comments in question then all a sudden it’s news. Bundy did not break any laws, he has failed to pay a bill. There is a difference.

          • Chuckygee

            “Bundy did not break any laws, he has failed to pay a bill. There is a difference.”

            The courts disagree. If I refuse to pay income taxes, it is not failing to pay a bill, it is tax evasion which is a crime. Ask Al Capone.

          • mike

            Bundy’s Fees are not taxes.

  • JGHB

    Keep telling it like it is, Mr. Jackson.

  • BDPSU
    • JoseCuervo

      I love how some people think the “un-edited” versions makes it better. It doesn’t, it actually makes it worse

      • Grayzel

        Why? Ever wonder what Texas would be like if ranchers, cowboys and frontiersmen didn’t throw off the yoke of the Mexican government? Does that make you a racist? Have you ever wondered what the country would have been like if the North lost the war? Wondering doesn’t hurt a person. Some people have gotten rich by wondering and writing books about it.

  • computalover

    While everyone is entitled to their personal opinion I do enjoy the deflection being performed here. The race issue, patriot, constitution mumbo jumbo is all well and good, but the main issues and facts are being ignored in order to push another agenda. I am a proponent for the rule of law. Bundy is in direct violation of this law. After 20 years, 4 verdicts and ample time to pay, at a WELFARE rate of $1.36 per head to utilize federal lands (other ranchers pay 12-`16 dollars) he has amassed a whopping 1 million dollar fee, fines and penalties. 20 years! he then, wait for it, threatens the united states federal agents with violence when they finally come to collect by confiscating his cattle. Now, you call this man a patriot.. he is more an anti federalist, he claims that he doesnt recognize the US government, when in fact it was the US government who obtained the land that is now the Western States from mexico before the state even existed. He is arguing state’s rights, but the state of Nevada actually charges more for land leasing for grazing than he is currently paying.

    These so called patriots are rallying around their own agendas. This is not a sign of government access. He refuses to pay what 16 thousand other ranchers currently pay. are they non-patriotic because they follow the law? There are many instances of government, on all levels over-reaching, but this is not one of them. This man is an opportunist, and his alleged supporters are opportunists as well. People complain about taxes, but tax rates are at their lowest in history since the income tax began. And the majority of americans get refunds. All this slavery talk is not productive. Claiming that the Irish were treated worse than African slaves is hogwash.. please show me in the US Constitution that the Irish are considered chattel property? go ahead, i’ll wait.. or considered 2/3 human? or re-interpreted the bible to justify their enslavement.

    And comparing blacks to chickens? lol This is what happens when you have the totally white view of black history in america. You generalize, compartmentalize and justify. The race mixing may have started allegedly by mating black slaves with irish females.. no real evidence, but it is evident the rape of black female slaves by slave traders, slave owners and their male heirs, and over-seers, etc. this was documented and an accepted practice.

    It is hysterically ironic that many folks actually believe that many persons, especially black people, WANT to be on welfare! What is rarely spoken about is that the majority of people.. of all races WANT TO WORK! but there are not many jobs available. In actuality, there are millions of jobs available, in STEM.. but our society and education system was geared to create patriots.. good americans do not necessarily mean SMART americans. That is why Asians are whipping us in STEM (science technology engineering and mathematics) Asians have a longer and more diverse history that they are not required to study, and devote their energy into STEM. Americans are forced to study our short history constantly, but not STEM?

    Here is a bit of advice from an educated, hard working black man to some who posted here, remove the slavery analogy from the conversation. Dont use it to compare to whatever you are trying to make a point about. It is still a sensitive subject for many in this country, and quite frankly, whatever you are going thru in your life does not compare to slavery. No, slaves were not happier or better off being slaves. No, paying 30% taxes is not slavery because slaves were never paid. They did not eat well.. if you consider eating entrails, scraps, discarded parts and at the time, gutter and trash parts of animals as eating well. You are not, and never will be a slave! You can never know what it was like to actually be a slave to compare your life or dealings with the US government, state or local governments as being such.

    Clive Bundy is nothing but an opportunist. and the people who support him are their more for their own agendas. Again, everybody else follow the rules. he should too. Unlike mr Charlie Delta.. I stand with the law abiding, 16 thousand other ranchers, farmers and others who follow the law and do what is required. Many have seemed to have forgotten about them.

    • Brandon Magoon

      It’s not Federal land.

    • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

      Another idiot who has not read or listened to all that has happened. Get your facts straight. You have to be an idiot demonrat

    • voncile fullwood

      I guess all the freebies that a lot of people get that people like you ignore that it is ok and the ones that sit in Government that don’t pay taxes guess that is ok to with some of you and what law that is made or broken in Washington,that seem’s to be ok to some people too,and if rules are made then it should apply to all not for what Obama wants–and how do you know what slaves ate? where you one?there are starving people right here in America that would give anything to have a table with decked out food on it or a fulltime job so they could put better food on their tables for their families–slavery days are over and people need to get over it and find a better way for their lives than to harp on being in slavery or people being a racist to much time on their hands to let go

    • patriotgirl

      I guess you must be speaking to us from another planet . . . or you don’t file fed taxes.

  • Russ

    Didn’t know this is where the children, apologists and Uncle Toms were. My bad.
    see ya.

    • Witch_Doctor

      Witch Doctor says it take a little person, intellectually speaking, to refer to anyone as a “Uncle Tom”. W/D thinks you are a racist.

      Bones never lie.

      • Barrustio

        I think Witch Doctor errs when he assumes “little person” is capable of “intellectually speaking”

      • Russ

        Witch Doctor is a moronic useful idiot who knows that if he used his real name he’d probably lose his job ;)

        • Witch_Doctor

          Witch Doctor says there are 843,439 people named Russ. Witch Doctor knows 3 of them personally and one racist name-calling poster who likely isn’t named Russ. Probably used R-U-S-S because it fits intellect, 3 letters in a 4-letter one-syllable word. Yep, a liberal.

          Bones never lie.

          • Russ

            It’s my name. Unlike bonehead here, I’m not a coward and have no problem standing behind my opinions.
            Bones lie all the time. So does the bonehead playing with them ;)

    • Barrustio

      I see ….you have to see it Obama’s way or it’s the hiway eh? All Black people have to think the same way or you’re an Uncle Tom eh? You are a slave already and don’t even see it.

      • Grayzel

        The sad part is Russ created his own slavery by giving up his reason and cognitive ability to think for himself. It is sad.

        • Barrustio

          Yep….the worst part about Russ not being able to think for himself is…..he doesn’t see himself as a slave.

      • Russ

        Typical. I come to a conclusion based on my own observation of what’s blatantly right in front of my face, and your rhetoric is to blame Obama.
        I have a hangnail, is that Obama’s fault as well?
        (smh)

        • Barrustio

          Ineffective deflection there…..my point was that you feel that any Black person who doesn’t see things your way is an Uncle Tom. You have already predetermined someone else’s integrity based on your personal prejudices and start name calling your own people just because they disagree with you. That’s what you put blatantly right in front of my face for all to see. And that hangnail, if Obama says it’s his fault I’m sure you’ll believe it because he’s no Uncle Tom….because he rejects his White side….but that’s not racist because he’s somewhat Black.

          • Russ

            Wow, major brainwashing there. Have fun with your programed rhetoric.

          • Barrustio

            The brainwashed don’t know who they are do they?

          • Russ

            By your remark, obviously ;)

          • Barrustio

            Heheh….see what I mean?

          • Russ

            You do realize that the “I know you are but what am I” gambit lost it’s effectiveness after 2nd grade, right?
            Well, by your posts I guess you don’t.
            I would recommend advancing your education beyond the grade school level before engaging in discussions such as this. And if you have a college degree…I’d look into getting my money back if I were you. ;)

          • Barrustio

            All these comedians out of work and you want to be funny. “Engaging in conversations such as this” is elementary…. I do this when I want to revert back to my youth when I conversed mainly with children. At 66 I have “lived” racism, not regurgitate the thoughts of inexperienced youth.

          • Russ

            You aren’t the only one. But, unlike you, I still fight it instead of bowing down and making excuses for it.

          • Barrustio

            The problem is you have never experienced real racism. you sound too young, sheltered and quick to call anything the media liberal media gives you as racism. Not fighting, bowing and making excuses is a liberal thing exemplified by the POTUS who is too with social agendas and prefers to not fight but bow to N Korea,Iran, Syria and Russia. And make excuses for the IRS, NSA, Benghazi, Solyndra and numerous other real issues but finds time to further divide the country by feeding the media frenzy all it needs on racism……anything to detract from the REAL issues. THAT my friend is giving up the fight. Something with which I am not familiar.

          • Russ

            Don’t sell yourself short, the way you kowtow to this criminal, you seem quite the pro at it.
            As for my age? You don’t have that much on me. And as for your assesment of my dealings with racism, stuff it. You have no clue.
            Have a nice day Tom/ ;)

          • Barrustio

            Heheh My assessment of your dealings with racism is that your exposure to it is having to put up with having your relatives call Black people the N word….that’s the clue you gave me. As for your age…. I have centuries on you.

          • Russ

            I’ve had relatives wear sheets and relatives who have been beaten and lynched by those wearing them. I have family members now who hate each other simply because of race. Don’t you DARE preach to me about your petty little problems with “racism”. You have no clue what it really is as you’ve proven here. You’re an apologist. Actually you’re worse I just don’t feel like being that crude on this forum.

            And you have nothing on me…except ego and ignorance.

          • Barrustio

            Heheh ….you’re a laughable shill the likes of Jesse and Sharpton….”pero la sorra nunca se ve la cola”…..Which means “the fox never sees it’s own tail”…..only one perspective, point out the flaws of others because narcissism requires that you think yourself better or less able to err than others. Calling anyone an apologist simply because they don’t see it YOUR way is soooo Obamaish.

          • Russ

            First off, racism is not a matter of perspective but a well defined offense. The fact you think it is puts you on one knee. The second is that you attribute me to Sharpton (who’s a gloryhound and a fool. The opposite kind of fool from you) and assume I voted Obama last election. (don’t feel bad, I didn’t vote Romney either and that confuses the mentally deficient). The the final thing that puts you on your knees apologizing for the racists is claiming to have “suffered it” and using that as your basis for telling us what it isn’t. So tell me this apologist, how do you suffer something if it’s only a matter of perspective? Sounds like you’re telling us it was all in your head ;)
            Bundy is racist. Bundy is a freeloader. Bundy has all the right wing extremist Anarchists flocking to him like a virgin teen to a $3 whore.
            I’ll let you in on something else as well. Those extremists are scaring the locals. They’re going to do something stupid and the feds are going to wipe every single one of them out.
            Deservedly.

          • Barrustio

            Like I said ….you’re no different than Sharpton

          • Russ

            (smh) You really are not the brightest bulb in the box are you?
            Let’s see if I can put it in terms you’d understand…
            En el principio, cuando estaba haciendo mis shows, me incorporando una gran cantidad de españoles, tratando de ser un cómico latino en lugar de sólo un cómic. Ahora trato de hacer el espectáculo lo más amplia posible … Yo no quiero alienar a la gente. Quiero hacer lo que todo el mundo puede seguir a lo largo y todo el mundo puede relacionarse. ~ Fluffy
            When you are not racist, you are inclusive. When you are racist, you have a million and one reasons why another race is screwing up AND why your explanation is not racist. When you are an apologist, you make the racism possible by allowing it.

          • Barrustio

            Andale, haci me gusta, que se ponga los pantalones como un hombre. Pero por favor recuerda que a veces el racismo tiene su origen cuando uno no entiende si las palabras y las intencienes de el que las habla son inocentes o llevan el intento de ofender. A ese punto el que acusa a esa persona de racismo es en realidad el racista. Como dije anteriormente, “la sorra nunca se ve la cola”. Te deseo mucho exito en tu carrera de comico. Yo como tu, quiero que mis presentaciones sean oidas por todos. Por esa razon cuando me preguntan que tipo de musica toco, mi respuesta siempre es, “que es lo que quieres escuchar”. I never categorize my music and by not jumping to conclusions that someone is a racist I hope to attract those people who are usually perceived as such into a fold where people can see them as just who they are…..just plain old country folks. Buena suerte.

          • Russ

            Just because I make allowances for grandparents and their friends for their language (from both sides) doesn’t make it any less bigoted. I simply chose to deal with it because the relationship with the person means more to me than the stand.
            I have no such reason to adjust for Bundy.
            Like I said, those who are not bigoted find ways to include. Those who are use language, even in benign form, to separate “us” from “them”…not so much.

          • Barrustio

            In my case most of the recent racism which I experience is usually at the hands of my own or from Blacks. Whites don’t seem concerned at all that my wife happens to be Black. On the other hand Black men (who don’t seem to have a problem with the basketball star trophy White wife) and women often give my wife the look like “what’s up, a Black man isn’t good enough for you, Aunt Jemima” and I get the same from my own like “Oh, so a Latina is not good enough for you, Tio Taco”. I don’t get that from White folks although I know that all people do have their personal prejudices. I just didn’t read that in Bundy…..just and old school country boy with a lack of eloquence…..oops did I say “boy” I hope that doesn’t come across as racist. But then Little Joe of La Familia did put out a self-deprecating song called “Good Old Meskin Boy”

          • Russ

            “When it comes to racism there is no absolute truth there is only perspective”
            Like I said, you’re an apologist.

    • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

      What?????

    • raffaelecafagna

      ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • mjw1952

    Yes but he didn’t use any other examples. I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks a race of people may have been better off slaves is a racist. And an ignorant one to boot. Oh yes, th slaves sat around and ate chicken with their children. Please, please, bring him to see “12 years a slave” and then let him say that.

    • Barrustio

      Again ….you are not reading ….the MEDIA and people like you say he THINKS people would be better off as slaves….this smart Marine sees his statement for what it it is ….he was posing a “hypothetical question”. Have you never wondered if America would be better with the some of the old ways which promoted a sense of independence and a good work ethic rather promoting a culture which believes that America is so rich that things should be free. Coming from a family of twelve very poor individuals and a share-cropper great grandfather who was killed by the land owner for refusing to work without pay I will say this……I am glad we were never on welfare in spite of our struggles in my youth. It was an embarrassment to a Hispanic father to ask for assistance in feeding a family he was responsible for rearing. The end result of his work ethic (two jobs) is that ALL my brothers and sisters grew to achieve great things and become PRODUCTIVE members of society.

      • Grayzel

        Thank you.

        • raffaelecafagna

          Me too ; Thank you .

      • JoseCuervo

        Yeah because saying I’m wondering while saying racist comments just makes it non racist. Sure

        • Barrustio

          Race baiters will find a racist interpretation or perspective in anything that is being said. Usually comes from an insecurity from one’s own self-identity

          • JoseCuervo

            Right right .. because pointing out that when Clive refers to present day african americans as “black boy” or “slave” is not right equals baiting…. right right.. keep living in that bubble.

          • patriotgirl

            Get your facts straight … “slave” is not a racist term. Bundy did not say “black boy” but did say ” Negroe,” the pc word in HIS day. You must be enjoying yourselve immensely in your race baiting and, quite frankly, I believe I am dumber than you for stooping so low as to respond to your idiocy and ignorance. Reminds me why I hate tequila.

          • JoseCuervo

            Uhm you talk about getting facts straights but apparently you have not watched every single interview he has done. actually he said Black boy in another interview … you do know he has done 3 or 4 interviews repeating the same message right? And if you don;t think slaves is a racist offensive term you are even dumber than you sound…. oh , and I don’t even drink so I don’t give a crap if you like tequila or not.

            Here is the actual quote
            “If I say ‘negro’ or ‘black boy’ or ‘slave’ … if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive then Martin Luther King didn’t do his job.”

            basically he is saying in todays day and age, if those people, african americans, get offended by him or anyone caling them black boys or slaves… in 2014, then MLK failed.

            Are you so dense you cannot grasp this?

            And here is the video of him saying ‘blackboy” “slaves” cause I know you want your “facts straight”

            youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1Bf-AxkBp-0#t=135

          • Barrustio

            To many people, myself included there is nothing wrong (or racist) about addressing a youthful male regardless of race, as a boy. People use the term daily with no racist intent whatsoever. As for the slave part many people today are slaves….slaves to gambling, alcohol, sex and dependency on the government. There’s nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade but when it comes to calling someone a racist there is something wrong with the pot calling the the kettle, black.

      • Silky Wiley

        Went through some rough times myself, but my intuition was that going to authorities for help was a dangerous thing to do. I had the good natural suspicion of putting yourself and your children under inspection by an all powerful government. We made it. I made it. I worked, educated myself. Was a successful investment banker and sent my children to private school and then to university. My two grandchildren are now in university. I shudder to think what would have happened if during the hard times, I had gone on the dole.

        • Barrustio

          I commend you for doing it the old-fashioned way…..working for it. I also never understood how with as little as we had, our mother made sure that ALL of us attended Catholic school….how she managed the tuition I’ll never know. I also remember high school kids knocking on doors selling this and that or another means of “working their way through college”. Nowadays all kids think they are entitled to a student loan which most never pay back. It’s become a “gimme world”.

    • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

      Another person, idiot who thinks he knows it all. You have not read or listened to anything that is happening and you are the racist must be a demonrat!!

      • JoseCuervo

        You sound like a mentally challenged individual. Demonrat. You talk like a 10 year old. So infantile

    • Don Oberloh

      MJW, I think that critically reading an article, no matter your preconceived bias, will hold you in good stead with intelligent converstionalists.

    • raffaelecafagna

      GO INFORM YOURSELF BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR STUPID MOUTH : GOT IT ?????????????????? READ THE ENTIRE STORY >

    • Silky Wiley

      What Bundy wondered was “are they better off.” Are they still slaves? And aren’t more and more of us becoming slaves? Still I don’t think Bundy should have been talking about it. He was trying to make some correlation to the government wrongness in his situation, but he’s just a cowboy, he can’t talk bs like politicians.

  • mjw1952

    And he is getting far more government assistance than any welfare recipient. He has grazed his animals for free for 20 years. Every other rancher pays $1.65 per cow per month. And that is is all subsidized by we the taxpayer, because the price on privatte land is over $16.00 per cow per month. So just who is received the welfare here, ranchers or welfare recipients?

    • john l

      Your argument is the exact same as someone who has a business and lives in a town that a mafia runs and is forced to pay a % each month. Then gets mad when they see someone standing up against the mafia and you shout “we all pay so bundy should too!”… you would rather fight to be oppressed than fight to be free?

      • voncile fullwood

        and the one’s sitting in Congress pays % too so I guess they are run by the Mafia also and they should pay also and no better than we the people

        • Grayzel

          You missed his point completely. Was that on purpose or are you just obtuse?

        • patriotgirl

          Voncile, I want you to think about something…the majority of people first elected to Congress were not millionaires, but they are now. Did you ever ask yourself how that happened? It has been widely reported that the vast majority of Congressional members dkn’t pay their taxes? How did Timothy Geitner become Treasury Secretary when he owed $800,000 in back taxes. Today, with interest and penalties, that $800,000 has grown into millions and it still is not paid. Did you know that Members of Congress get a 5% cost of living increase AUTOMATICALLY each and every year, that is if they don’t slip in an earmark to give themselves more? It greatly pains me to tell you that we are being reduced to a society of the “haves and have nots” through the corruption of the people we elected to

          • voncile fullwood

            I agree with you 100%and they just got themselves another raise,while many Americans that don’t have a job can barely scrape for food to put on their table and food stamps for them has been cut back yes! it pains me and angers me to no end that their care less if children go without,but yet our taxpayers money goes over to aide others countries I say charity starts at home first.If they were not getting all this money for themselves you would soon see them vacate their seats–for the love of money is the root of all evil

        • voncile fullwood

          don’t see a point I missed where they are Mafia or who rich or poor if one pays all should pay no matter who they are and that includes Obama,Congress, or Billionair’s

        • john l

          Congressmen pay a % of the money stolen from us to pay big corporations and in return get contributions for their political runnings. At least the get money back. We the people get nothing back but more laws that do more harm than good

    • Brandon Magoon

      He tried to pay the grazing fees and the county wouldn’t take the money.

      • mjw1952

        Yeah, like the prpoerty has been in his family since the 1800′s.

        • Brandon Magoon

          Yes, the prpoerty sp (property) has been in his family since the 1800′s. The grazing rights on the Mesquite allotment have been in his name since 1944 and came down through the Abbotts, the Leavitts, and the Jensens on his mother’s side.

    • Barrustio

      If you eat steaks….be grateful. The land belongs to the people

    • Grayzel

      So the land that belong to the people of These United States belongs to the federal government?

      • Stanley Bluett

        Actually it belongs to the Native Americans. But they are not Jesus freaks and hypocrites like 99.9% of the Tea Party

    • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

      You have not paid any attention to what is happening, read up learn something then come back and tell it like it is and only the real truth. You are so wrong.

      • JoseCuervo

        Lmao the “truth” he says

    • raffaelecafagna

      you are very uninformed ,confused and brainwashed ; before you open your stupid mouth , please , inform yourself ; go read the entire story and become informed and then speak ; you will be surprised about the real story and the Truth . thanks.

    • patriotgirl

      First, the government confiscated that land some time ago under the Endangered Species Act (unconstitutional). Second, I don’t know what other ranchers you speak of, b/c under this same Act, the goverment has put the other ranchers out of business. Bundy is the last man standing. Third, Bundy’s family was given free grazing rights when the Feds confiscated the land under the Act. Finally, is what “we the taxpayer” are subsidizing is not Bundy, but the government who wants him out so that they can turn over the land to Al Gore, and other large and well-placed contributors of the Democratic Party to start their own solar, wind, geothermal energy farms, which will be subsidized by “we the taxpayers” under the guise of green energy; that is until they run out of our money and shut down, after pocketing our money.

      . So much for the desert tortoises and the EndangeredSpecies Act. Wake up and realize that this is not about cattle, Bundy, energy

      • patriotgirl

        IT IS ABOUT money and power. ” We the taxpayer” are subsidizing money making schemes for payoffs to political cronies, for making these rich cronies richer. Think about that when you do your taxes. Your tax dollars are bankrolling illegal acts by the very people we put in office to protect us from such atrocities.

        • patriotgirl

          By the way…a “fun” fact: the feds own 81% of Nevada through takeover of land under the guise if the Endangered Species Act.

          • Strandwolf

            Hey, may as well put that “fact” in quotes, too. It’s BS of course, missy.

  • Rick Belmont

    Sorry Marine, you are defending a racist and a criminal against your own race and government’s rule of law! Hypothetical question? Do you think you, your family and your Commander in Chief whould be better off as slaves? Take the “smoke” out of your eyes and make sure your “Fidelis” is “Semper” directed to the correct side. Your FREEDOM is what you make of it. Just ask President Barack Hussein Obama! HOOYAH!

    • Barrustio

      Well speaking of smoke ….we know who you voted for. Your perception of loyalty is that ALL Blacks must support Obama and his politics

    • Grayzel

      Against the human race? Isn’t the Sarge a human? Unfortunately, most people do not understand we humans all belong to one race and because of differing skin color attempt to divide us. You are one of the dividers. Do you agree with Darwin? Are people with darker skin than yours of a different race? Are the blacks on the lowest level of the evolutionary scale, as Darwin wrote. Cliven Bundy asked a hypothetical question. Much like yours; “Do you think you, your family and your Commander in Chief whould (sic) be better off as slaves?” Does that question make you a racist, just like you consider Cliven Bundy for the same type of question?

      • http://www.Yahoo.com/?fr=fptb-msgr Determined3

        Thank you Grayzel we are ALL GODS children what part of ALL do people not understand.Maybe they need to go back to an original Bible and read about the sixth day creation.GOD created all the RACES on the sixth day and on the seventh HE rested and on the eighth day HE created ADAM and then took some of Adams DNA not an actual rib and created EVE have to take the word RIB back to the original language THE HELICS CURVE hope I spelled it right if not most will know what I mean and you don’t have to be a college educated idiot to figure it out.GOD BLESS

    • voncile fullwood

      you are one dumb-ass moron–we would all be better off if he had stayed where he belongs and that is in Kenya–for he sure don’t belong in America,he is a dictator,a racist,and a Muslim lover and not for the American people,and get the smoke out of your eyes and stop inhaling the smoke that comes out of Obama’s mouth and his steam that he blows out only effects morons like you–at least we do have a lot of true Americans who believes in the same thing and that is not the steam he blows out,or the phone and pen in his hand to execute his on law and think we are suppose to abide by his standard not our own. Bundy is only expressing the truth and since Obama was elected there has been more racial issues than during the 60′s and he cause it with this Martin issue everything offends most of the blacks who don’t have anything better to do that find fault with everything

      • JoseCuervo

        Lmao and then you wonder why conservatives lose elections. Just read this guys comment. It’s amazing some people believe Hawaii is in Kenya

        • Myrtle Linder

          Fellow antichrist!! Not black president, interloper. Fake birth certificate!

          • JoseCuervo

            Hahaha fellow antichrist.. listen to you…. fake birth certificate….. keep talking.. as I said before.. then you wonder why you lost the last 2 elections….. too funny.

          • Stanley Bluett

            Antichrist!!! You’re losing your mind. If anything like the ANti-Christ ever exists, they’d be able to sit at YOUR dining table, eat and drink with you without you thinking twice about it and then smiting you as they walk out your burning house.

        • patriotgirl

          You have shed light on why I dislike tequila!

          • JoseCuervo

            I don’t like tequila either, not sure how that is relevant I apologize if reading the truth makes you dislike tequila

        • Stanley Bluett

          Well said mate.

          • JoseCuervo

            Much obliged

        • voncile fullwood

          the BC I saw from Hawaii had been tampered with,and had no State seal stamped on it—and where he is black or white would make no difference to me if he knew how to be a President and try to change our laws to suit his own agenda and write orders that does not pertain to our law-he is a Muslim you know it and I know he said so,and every three months his wife is on vacations for a month at a time spending millions of taxpayer’s money then he goes.Bush never ever went on vacations like this and his wife hardly went on a vacation even the blacks are getting to where they don’t even like him for the lies he tells and the promises he made so! if you like him stick with him I don’t like him and I don’t have to,if he would have done what is right and good for America I would show respect he don’t give and as far as I’m concern he don’t get it because he don’t give it—he is the worse President America has ever had and evil to the core

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh.. you work for the NSA or Secret Service? you personally saw this with your own eyes.

            Oh boy here we go with the he is a muslim chant, he is not, and if he was SO WHAT? that is why we have the 1st Amendment… get familiar with it….. I thought he was a communist, or a nazi and socialist, or the antichrist. which one is he?

            HAHAHA You say Bush never went on vacation? Are you serious? Please google the words George Bush Vacation king. Don;t let the truth his you in the face.

            Bush holds the record of most vacation days taken by any
            president….. ever. Obama would have to serve 8 terms just to catch up with the man. But No …you just look for another lame excuse to not talk about the subject and bash Obama.

            Bush spent at least $20 million taxpayer
            dollars just on flights to his ranch in Crawford although it’s believed to be more . Using airforce one as his personal taxi service every flight costing taxpayers $56,800 to $68,000 an hour , you make the math. Considering that Bush flew Air Force One 50 times not even five years into his presidency, that would amount to $40,000,000+, not including trips to Maine (a longer distance to Martha’s Vineyard) and any other vacations he took.

            In response to criticism that Bush was on vacation too much, the Bush administration adopted the Rovian tactic of scheduling, “work events,” while the president was in Crawford so that they could claim that President Bush’s
            vacations were “working” vacation. How convenient. I wish I could spend 4 months out of the year “working” from home, wouldn’t you?

            Should I mention, Mrs. Bush visited 73 countries and was gone 212 days…on the taxpayer’s dime?

            In May, 2002, Laura went to Paris, Budapest, and
            Prague ,Or her lavish African Safari with the twins? You know the same safari that Obama canceled not too long ago. Laura visited Africa 5 times on his second term. That’s a whole lot more trips to Africa than Obama has ever made. Bush spent billions od taxpayers $ on aid for
            Africa but who cares right ? Or the fact that most of the 1,020 days Bush was on vacation Laura was with him?

            Funny…when Michelle Obama went to Spain she only brought only Sasha (Malia was at summer camp) along with two close friends, each of whom
            also brought their daughters. Second, the entire group paid for their own lodging and personal expenses. It was reported that Michelle even reimbursed the government for the equivalent of two first-class commercial tickets for the flight on Air Force Two. (Her friends flew separately, on commercial flights). Finally, most of the rooms booked at her hotel in Spain belonged to Secret Service
            agents, and as Sweet wrote, “No matter where she goes — domestic or international — any first lady gets protection and she does not decide how many agents are needed.”

            I mean don’t let the facts dissuade you from your message.

            DidI mention that the USS George H.W. Bush cost 6.2 BILLION dollars? George jr awarded the contract to his buddies at Northrop Grumman on January 26, 2001 as one of his first orders of business after his appointment to office. Did that ship aid in the war? No it stayed in the
            coast of Maine the whole time . On a trip to Maine they used 4 helicopters to pick the Bush camp up at the beach house to fly to a nuclear ship for his dad birthday which they spent hanging about on the ship, They
            probably spent about an hour aboard before flying home. Security as always was tight employing local tax dollars as well as federal (our tax dollars) officers.

            I love how you people keep referring to “the blacks” .

            And I’ll leave you with this. Since like Obama, Bush also liked to Golf (although he did it a whole lot more often until he got called out on it and stopped as “respect” for our soldiers overseas that he sent under a lie but that’s another topic) let’s Watch this drive

            http://youtu.be/Z3p9y_OEAdc

            And don’t let that stamp on his Longform BC stop you from spreading those lies

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

          • voncile fullwood

            you are so far behind time it would take a long time to catch you up.and yes,I worked for the State and I know personally that every BC has a State seal stamped on it from that State.and out of Obama mouth he said he was a Muslim the lies that spreads is the ones who don’t tell the truth–and if you will go back and read I said the wife didn’t hardly take a vacation,and Bush again never ever took vacation like this one and each time Michelle Obama took a vacation it cost the taxpayer’s over 10 million a trip she takes her Mother,brother and children and we pay millions for her lavish vacations–I don’t need to look up the whitehouse.gov/site.. they don’t know how to speak the truth

      • Silky Wiley

        I don’t think you are helping the cause there son.

        • voncile fullwood

          I’m not trying to help the cause —I’m stating facts

    • drthomasedavis

      Hey, Belmont, I suggest this Marine knows what he is talking about, Don’t muddy the waters!

    • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

      Rick you are a racist big and bold to bad you were probablly nice at one time.

    • Don Oberloh

      I don’t think you even know the definition of racist Ricky. Prejudice is to prejudge someone on the basis of your previous experience. Racism id to think differently of a person due only to his ethnicity and not their action. You cannot be sometimes racist and sometimes not. Obviously Clive doesn’t have a problem with this American with an African heritage. ego he is not racist.
      Why are YOU specifying RACE Ricky? “his own race” smells of racism for sure.

      • Grayzel

        I think Ricky is a new age Darwin. Caucasians at the top of the evolutionary ladder going on down the ladder to the black man. The only way to have clear thinking is to understand there is only one race of humans. I guess Ricky hasn’t learned that yet. He still thinks there is more than one race. Darwin sure messed up the minds of many people without them even know it.

    • Jim

      I think that you missed the entire point. Oh well, some people just follow the BS. As far as our Commander in Chief, you really are out of touch. That person is, without any doubt whatsoever, the most incompetent and unqualified person to have ever been proposed to hold that position in the history of our country. Everything he has done while holding that office has made the United States the laughing stock of the entire world where no one can trust anything the person says. Besides, I don’t think that his salary, perks and other benefits would qualify as welfare payments or other government give aways which factually excludes him from the conversation.

    • Silky Wiley

      I think Bundy’s point was that they are still slaves and more and more are becoming slaves in this country, doesn’t have a thing to do with skin color.

    • Silky Wiley

      I think the call is Hoorah. But that is from the parent of a dead Marine. Racism is a spiritual disease. We are all red under the skin. And as the Hindus say, God is in everyone. That is what we should think looking at each other. God is in that person.

      • Rick Belmont

        Hoorah is the Marine battle cry. Hooyah is a Navy battle cry. Otherwise, you are absolutely right on!

    • Francie26

      Rick Belmont, try to read what Bundy said with a little understanding. He is just an old cowboy, not a sophisticate like yourself. He tried to explain some complex issues, and even though he didn’t quite make it clear, he said nothing that an understanding heart could perceive as racist. Before you condemn the mote in Bundy’s eyes, perhaps you should remove the log from your own.

  • Bp. David

    Absolutely correct, Sarge. And you are an excellent example of a great Marine. Semper Fi, Jarhead!

  • PatCindyCunningham

    I don’t think Mr Bundy is racist either. He is living 50 years a go and is the last person to give opinions. You know what they say about opinions? Of course many on the Right have egg on their face and the Mighty Liberal Propaganda Press, is having a field day. Just in case many have been living under a rock for the last 20 years or so, there is Racism in America. It will be here 100 years from now. It is human nature and it isn’t exclusive to whites also, blacks play the game too. Not just skin color, weight, money, size, ethnicity, just about everything you can think of. I guess it is born of envy and that is a sin according to the Bible so lets let the Lord fix this one because People just cant seem to put a finger on it.

    • patriotgirl

      Make no mistake, the way this Administration and their cronies use the term “racist” is purely psychological . . . First, labelling someone a racist one of the worst labels you can put on someone and in normal circumstances serves to shut people up. Until its overuse, we all saw that happen. Second, it is race-baiting on all sides . . . O would like nothing more than to declare martial law bc of race riots. And by the way ( not to mention thanks to Oliver North), martial law suspends the Constitution. Starting to get the picture?

      • PatCindyCunningham

        I have had that picture since 2008. It has gone down hill from their. I had never owned a gun until after Barack Obama was elected. I felt I had no choice. I still think the shite is going to hit the fan. Unless the Federal Government and now I am talking about the Judicial Branch and Congress strip Obama of his power and arrest him, the World is going to blow up right in front of our eyes. We can not sustain this loony tunes incompetence much longer.

  • glenn

    I’m still behind Cliven.Everybody thinks that the blacks have had it rough.How about the people who have had their native land striped from them and put on reservations.There’s lots of people who we could label but it always seems to come back on the blacks.Clive Bundy is no more a racist than the next person who opens his or her mouth about it.This crap about racism falls on everyone’s shoulders.I don’t know why people can’t get along cause it’s not doing anyone any good.Asfor his cows they are feeding on open range thatis there for anyone to use.If you don’t use it it’s not Clive’s fault.He’s just doing what the past 3 or 4 generations have done.FEED THEIR CATTLE.

  • drthomasedavis

    Semper Fi, Marine and God bless you and yours. You and Clive Bundy are great examples of Americans. Harry Reid and the entire BLM have done their worst to keep this great Republic Alive and well. Best regards from an old Brown-Shoe Army man and an Independent, Christian, Constitutional Conservative.
    Dr. Thomas E. Davis, Colonel, USA (ret)
    Stay safe and well, Brother, we need you.

    • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

      Very nice !!

  • Marlin208

    Why is it that you can not express yourself anymore? I think the hard talking guy was just saying that the government has ruined the black man’s spirit and made slaves out of them with their hand outs.
    Why do we all have to pussy foot around everything nowadays.
    It is the truth, like it or not and it started under Johnson with his great society.
    Now they can not get out of bondage and it is awful.

    • Jim

      And believe me, it is not just the black people that the government has corrupted. Just take a look at the Hispanics and the so-called Whites who are on the government dole. Do you think that they are any less slaves? Yessa Boss, just gimmee more free stuff and I’ll do anything you say! At least there are reasonable people in all races who understand the truth and aren’t afraid to say it. God bless them!

    • patriotgirl

      The whole point of civil rights was to “get” ALL people to NOT see color, to not judge by color, gender, religious beliefs, etc. Is there anyone else out there that feels that BO, his Administration, the Demorats,has set civil rights back BEFORE civil rights?!!!

      • Francie26

        Me. I think he has. I’m sorry about it, and once we get him out of office, we have a lot of healing to do as a nation. But it won’t be done by giving poor, but healthy people, either whites or blacks, handouts. Creating a thriving economy so they can get jobs and live decently is the better answer. This isn’t going to happen under Obama.

  • Grayzel

    Thank you Sarge. Thank you for your words and your service. It is just a sign of the times that you will be attacked. A black man off the government plantation better not speak his mind. As a Caucasian, I have wondered the same thing as Mr. Bundy. I took water hoses and clubs to the head in the 60′s marching for civil rights. I wonder if I wasted my time. Does that make me a racist?

  • Christian Wilson

    they find a black veteran who agrees with bundy and then they say that this is proof that bundy is not a racisist. Now who is distorting the facts?

    • http://gekruckeberg.com gekruckeberg

      Mr.Wilson. Since you apparently haven’t had time to aprise yourself of the facts in this case, why don’t you check out my comments at gekruckeberg.com/ges-blog.html? You might be surprised atwhat you find.
      gekruckeberg.com

    • brazuca

      So you didn’t bother to look at the whole video of Mr Bundy’s right? You just went right along with what NYT said and you’re OK with that. You are such a good follower, I bet you have all sorts of little gold stars on top of your page.

      • Grayzel

        good follower – drone?

      • JoseCuervo

        The whole video is as bad as the NY Times version. I’m sure a “colored” people didn’t appreciate it

        • Grayzel

          Cool, you are politically correct. Am I a racists if I state I am very colorless in a Wisconsin winter? Now, living in Florida my skin is as colored as Obama’s.

          • JoseCuervo

            I am not politically correct… I just live in the year 2014, not the 1920 like most of you seem to be living in.

            Love how you think your comments are like a defense when in actuality you sink that hole even deeper.

    • Don Oberloh

      Distorting what facts wilson? please be specific.

    • patriotgirl

      Oh, and a half-black President calling everyone who disagrees with him a racist is proof enough for you? You have simply shown us how shallow you are.

    • Memphis Viking

      By progressive rules, you just disagreed with a black man, therefore you are racist.

  • http://gekruckeberg.com gekruckeberg

    Well, I can’t add much to what Charlie Delta says, but you might want to check my comments at gekruckeberg.com/ges-blog.html
    gekruckeberg.com

  • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

    It is only ok if the demonrat racist say something not anyone who tells the truth. Thank you Sarge there are good people everywhere. It is only the demonrats who are irresponsible and are ruining this country.

  • Don Smith

    Just another conservative trick go out and find a subservient conservative black man he will say anything to support the conservative racist viewpoint and the love of money.

    • Grayzel

      So a man with black skin is not capable of thinking for himself? He has to think like you or you label him subservient or a man with no moral spine.

      • Memphis Viking

        That’s what the left does to minorities and women.

    • Myrtle Linder

      This is a perfect example of a racist, this man because he is black, does not have a mind big enough to decide on his own, he is led by his nose by the white man, says the socialist antichrist.

    • raffaelecafagna

      Don Smith you should Direct your viewpoint to ” La Raza “.
      Leave that Marine alone , he speaks the Truth and you do not understand that .

    • patriotgirl

      You must be very confident. Not many people would have the guts to so flagrantly flaunt their ignorance so publicly.

  • BEAVAJGART7V

    Thank you for your comments. Just hope those who misjudged Mr. Bundy by taking his comments out of context will listen to Mr. Bundy’s entire interview and to you.
    God bless you and thank you for your service.

  • junkmailbin

    the standard conservative talking heads are instantly denouncing someone for proposing an idea for thought. Heaven knows we actually never talk about races getting screwed by the government. No one ever bings up ow male with ancestors from Caucasia and are Christian have been getting screwed since Teddy the Turds great discrimination Act of 1965.
    Is someone better off receiving government aid over multi generations??? This would most likely lead to generational expectation s of being taken care of without having to do anything but vote for the provider( massa government).
    Step back and look at what is going on without throwing the race card instantly to poison the discussion.
    Language 101: Black in Spanish is negro Oh horrors an actual adjective describing the color black in formal spanish. Are spanish speakers supposed to no use the word?? Nigra : a southern term for blacks ( derogative). We get nig_er from it and is commonly used by blacks but the rather of de rev jesse be upon you if you use it and are white.
    So are you better off or worse of being is bondage to the government. That is the question. Answer, just look at the before and after for a start.
    By the way the terms Whitey, Honkey, Polar Bear, White boy etc are also racial slurs.
    I am a caucasian german by ancestry but I an an “American” no modifier to get points. T Roosevelt was right about hyphenated Americans. They have not truly become part of the country and want special stuff.Country of ancestry has nothing to do with Being America. Ever the indigenous stone age humans were not from the Americas.

  • Patriot_70

    I was Army, not a Marine, but I mirror your sentiments. An Honorable man you are, and like you, I fought to preserve the right for people to speak their mind.

  • Myrtle Linder

    A liberal socialist calls everybody a racist who does not agree with their anti-American beliefs, which may have nothing to do with race, at all. All who decide to fight against their socialist ideas are racist. Their main American to take down at this time is a racist because he is fighting for his rights. Christians are racists, because we are fighting for what GOD and HIS SON teaches.

    Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against Me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. This verse f scripture describes our present government. It is striving to turn America into an antichrist nation but that is not going to happen, GOD IS WITH US.

    • JoseCuervo

      Oh spare me the socialishum bs. So I guess when the time comes , you are going to reject Social Security and medicare benefits because, you know.. Socialishum…… hey.. you might as well not travel the roads and highways that are paid by.. socialishum…… and if your house ever catches fire.. don’t call the fire department that is paid by….. socialishum.

      God is with us… like americans are special… NO… god is wth good people that are not sinners.. GOD is with EVERYONE on EARTH not just us the mighty Americans.

      Turn american into an antichrist nation? Are you implying America is a christian nation? because the founding fathers were very clear that we are not when they wrote the 1st amendment and later on the Treaty of Tripoli clearly specifies that “the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,”

      I live by the words of Mathew 6:5-6:6. “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray
      standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by
      others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your
      Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in
      secret, will reward you”

      • Stanley Bluett

        Very well said. You forgot to mention the Soicalishum of Affordable medicine. (actually I think it’s been set up in completely the wrong way, they should have just expanded medicaid, but of course the “Insurance companies are making a mint off this.” Oh hold on that Capitalism)

        • JoseCuervo

          Personally they should have gone with the Single Payer System but the GOP didn’t want that, so what Obama did is took the old 93 GOP plan, Romneytized it and then tweaked it into ACA.

  • Derailed

    Brother I am so glad you made the statement you made! It is time that sensible people stand up and push back against those in radio that think they have all the answers. Also they are entitled to thier opinion but it is great to see someone voice theirs. Jesus lay your hand of protection over this man and his family. For he speaks truth and shows the wisdom that comes from you oh Lord.

  • louluna

    Very true what this Marine say’s

    • raffaelecafagna

      He speaks the Truth and we know that the Truth always hurt .
      Bless you Marine , I got your back .

  • bjones41

    First I would like to thank you for your service…God bless you! Then I would like to say thank you for your opinion, and one I agree with 100%. You touched on the real Clive Bundy, and can only know him by the same Spirit that the Lord has. I knew right from the start what Mr. Bundy was saying, but also knew that it would be fodder for those who do not understand what or who Truth is. Clive Bundy is not an English professor, but a rancher who knows what is really going on and he is NOT A RACIST!. I too am disappointed in Hannity, Rand Paul and all those others who have gone along with MSM and their disgusting and misinformed idea of what was actually spoken by Clive Bundy and only hope that they right the wrong of their disgusting remarks. Let’s keep standing up for America with TRUTH and that it will remain the HOME OF THE FREE AND BRAVE!!

    • Thinker

      You said it so well..

  • bud

    All blacks don’t live in government housing in fact our president is black.
    I wonder it all people in the South are bigots?

    • Barrustio

      Many people wonder that but are they considered racists?

    • Francie26

      Our president lives in government housing. lol And he’s a bigot. He’s even said so in his books. In fact, bigotry goes toward whites as much or even more these days than toward blacks. The fact that so many whites voted for a black president shows that bigotry today probably goes more toward whites than toward blacks. People tend not to vote for someone if they are bigoted toward them for any reason, including race. Frankly, I’ve heard that word
      “racist” more in the past five years than in my entire lifetime before, and frankly, I resent it. I was never a bigot, but if I keep being accused of being one, it may push me to one day lean in that direction.

      “I wonder it all people in the South are bigots?” No, not all. In fact, probably not even very many these days, but probably more percentage-wise than in the north, I would guess.

    • Byron

      I think that the White House does belong to the Government so obammy mammy does live in Government housing. And us in what you call the South are not bigots you stupid jerk.

      • bud

        Bundy lives in the South and he proved he is.

  • greatrighthope

    Mr. Bundy’s comments were plain spoken and, in reference to African Americans particularly, misguided. However, even without reading the further information, a certain grace should be afforded any individual, even a tough old rancher, on the basis of generation and culture when considering the true meaning behind their words.

    Like a tourist in Europe that doesn’t realize Austrians don’t speak Austrian there is no malice and no wish to offend. In fact it is just an attempt to add insight that is caught up in a bit of ignorance.

    Does anyone believe that if a black guy had a beer with a Klan member he could show him where he has gone wrong? Me neither. But I am willin ta bet ma bottom dollar that a couple a Buds with any thoughtful African American out on the porch (after the steaks) and Clive would reckon that he coulda used right better words to make his point.

    No malice, no foul. Too bad about Glenn Beck. What’s up with him?

  • Silky Wiley

    Thank you for your service. Thank you for speaking up and giving old Cliven a break. Yeah, he sure wasn’t artful in his musings. Now he will be considered a pariah and it will be ok if the BLM sweeps him from the land and all that will be out there is big frying pan solar panels. My son was a Marine and served with the “green” Marines, I think that was what blacks in the Marines were called back then. They hung around together when they were off duty. When he got out two young black men were among his friends. They all seemed oblivious to skin color. But they did share values. My son has reported to the other world. Once a Marine, always a Marine.
    I recently stumbled on the television show, The First Forty Eight. It is a show about police solving murders. The majority are black on black murder. Watching the show I empathized with the grieving families. Such suffering. Many of the young murderers seemed remorseful and didn’t seem to know why they have killed someone who may have been a neighborhood friend. They would say things like “tell his mama, I’m sorry”. The community seemed so fatalistic about all this. What has happened to cause so much violence in this group of Americans? It is outsized to their percentage of the population. Thomas Sowell has a number of ideas to what is going on. I hope brilliant minds are looking for solutions. If the problems are allowed to be discussed, that is.
    Nothing is going to get better until people can talk about it. But unless you are some political cipher talking in code or someone race baiting, the average person will be attacked as a racist if they even touch the subject.. I fear this will leave the black community isolated from other races. I don’t think poor old Cliven has racism in his heart. He is just an old cowboy. I have no clue why he went off on this ramble about something that has nothing to do with his cause in Nevada. It has probably led to his destruction. I hope it hasn’t damaged the cause of getting this land out of the hands of the feds and into state’ stewardship. There can be ecologically sensitive development. Government closes to the people governs best.

    There is still real racism out there. I have seen it on threads on websites or e-letters. Far more than I expected. That can’t be ignored, but we can’t be shamed into silence by false accusations either.

    • Francie26

      “I don’t think poor old Cliven has racism in his heart. He is just an old cowboy.” I agree completely. I grew up around men like him who don’t have a racist bone in their bodies, but who have a difficult time expressing their views. I bet some liberal asked him an explosive question, and they all scrambled to get Cliven’s answer so they could torment him like this. He thought he was being very profound, and he meant well by his comments. I agree with our fine young Marine above, and frankly, the people who taped this were doing their best to get something they could read into to get their false claim of racism. Clive could not imagine how his simple words could be snipped and torn and put together differently to make him seem foolish and bigoted, nor did it occur to him that there really are people who would do all they could to make his words sound hateful and bigoted. He is a simple man, not one given to a microphone and the resultant reshaping recorded words. Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and others of their ilk have gravely disappointed many readers.
      Thank you for your service, Charlie Delta. It’s men like you that make my patriot’s heart soar with pride. And my “mother’s heart” sends you a hug.

  • Jefry Tober

    In the 1980′s there was a manufactured Indian war. Ever hear of Big Mountain? Thousands of traditional and typically subsistence Hopi and Navaho were forcibly relocated for mineral extraction and waste of uranium and coal. Fast forward to the 1990′s; Reid Gardner Generating Station once was one of the dirtiest air polluters in the west and the coal comes from Big Mountain. They provide some of the electrical power for Bundy, Las Vegas, and Reno. The toxic coal ash waste is substantial by now and so has been the haze. It has polluted the air for all of Nevada citizens including 40 million visitors to Glen Canyon annually.

    What if for years people have recreated in Gold Butte amidst the overgrazing of Bundy. Cattle then transported underweight to feedlots in Las Vegas to be fattened on grains, doped with drugs, later to become a fast food hamburger.

    What if for years on the ground citizens and local governments (county and state) worked along with scientists and Federal agencies to list an endangered species – the Mojave Desert Tortoise.

    What if Clark County, Nevada developed in their comprehensive land plans to allocate Gold Butte as a mitigation area for the tortoise and allow disbursed recreation.

    What if Bundy could have kept the lease and reduced his herd to 150 cows on that public rangeland at any given time – perhaps forever.

    By his own foolishness he has locked his cows off of that public land. He could have had a reasonable deal in 1993, yet he rolled the dice to have it all – and lost in 1998.

    And what if you support his cowpies?

    So the story in a nutshell: Reid Gardner gets decommissioned and that coal plant goes away. The Moapa Indian Reservation economically benefits by a large solar array to offset the decommissioning. Nevada citizens including Bundy use clean electricity. Mojave Tortoise habitat will be destroyed with that array, and that brings us right back to why Clark County, Nevada (and not the BLM that manages that grazing allotment) permanently “retired” the grazing allotment that Bundy trespasses upon since 1998. A conservation group sued the BLM to get off their lard ass and deal with the trespassing Bundy.

    Where once Bundy grazed is to become a National Recreation Area and Wilderness in part to give a place for the the tortoise to thrive while Nevada trashes other places like huge open pit gold/cyanide mines. In Nevada, whether County, State or Federal public lands grazing will always be subservient to mining. That is the real story the public land in Gold Butte is being swapped for the solar and mining impacts. Do you want both (solar) electricity and gold? Gold when 85% goes to jewelry and cyanide poisons the water? Something has to give, else-wise the entire state becomes just one huge ecological wasteland.

    Bundy has been publicly threatening by violence of a bullet to do as he please and has NOT told you the parts of the story that is not congruent to his manufactured narrative. He has self represented himself in court twice while evoking “God and Country” which is predictable from a Mormon secessionist with ZERO moral or legal claim to that Paiute land. The carpetbagger Mr Bundy parents bought what we now call Bundy Ranch in 1948 and started running cattle in 1954.

    Now think about this – how in the world would anyone think it right for someone to buy (in 1948) a homestead of 160 acres and parlay that into 750,160 acres! That is right his 1100 or so branded, unbranded, and feral cows roam 750,000 acres! It is economically and environmentally unsound to ranch in the desert impossible if not for the fact of inexpensive BLM federal leases, when state and private leases are much more expensive. Ask a rancher in states that must rely upon private land – Bundy is out of line and a cheater.

    Think about this – the desert Bundy squats is land the Buffalo did not roam. And that is a clue to you about the feasibility of the “rugged and patriotic American rancher” in the desert of America’s west. Meanwhile feedlot and slaughter houses are withering because of prolonged drought in the west. Ranchers even without federal influence wisely draw down their “commodity” investments in prolonged droughts.

    Bundy had court order with a removal date. Bundy had a history of threats of violence. Bundy is a Mormon secessionist so the Nevada (and Utah) Militia factors in impoundment planning. The BLM along with Sheriffs and contracted local cowboys came in to impound and obviously for the safety of those contracted to enact court order they brought an appropriate response to the threat. 8 cows died (some being feral this being no friendly petting zoo) in attempting to impound the cattle for trespass. The prior lien is irrelevant while the belligerent 20 year trespass leading to impoundment is relevant to the Gold Butte mitigation area. He had ample warning to comply and refused while continuing his threats of violence. It is likely no cows would have died had he complied and removed cows or stayed out of the way. All over youtube and national news are short and incomplete video snippets – they don’t show that a Bundy militant rammed BLM vehicle with an ATV that is when you see the videos on the highway. Bundy provoked law enforcement – big mistake, but he had nothing to lose because this was over in 1998 by Clark County, Nevada! When will Mr Bundy divulge that it was Clark County itself and not the BLM that permanently retired that grazing allotment?

    Bundy reignites the Sagebrush Rebellion of the 1980′s, if he wins it will be more “Big Mountains” of mineral extraction and thin cows on overgrazed rangeland. If you want a conspiracy. If you want a fight. If you think crony capitalism is rampantly occurring don’t forget to consider Nevada’s economic engine of mineral mining.

    Do this search please: Sagebrush Rebellion
    Do this search please: Bundy + AFP + Koch brothers. (Americans For Prosperity)

    And now you might know more of the story then your immediate internet meme frustrations with our government. Our government is a reflection of us as individuals; highly dysfunctional, inept, and with an occasional bit of goodness along with bad. Which sounds exactly like the Occupy Movement and the Tea Party. Both sides painfully aware that corporatism conjoined with political cronyism is choking us while leading us down a path we might not choose. I choose like the Paiute that morally holds Gold Butte as the caretakers of this land to make my choices for the seventh generation. Especially when reduced to the argument SOLAR or COAL.

    You may allow the tortoise to go by the wayside while every one of us contributes in devouring this planet. You might say that the desert shrub will grow back but once the gold and minerals deplete there is no more.

    If you want Bundy to run roughshod over your romantic myth of the American west then you need to understand the plight of Bundy is overpopulation. When it was less then 30 million in our nation there was plenty of elbow room for Bundy and others to stretch out and degrade this planet and be “free”.

    And for the Bundy supporters out there not all is lost. Bundy can graze as much cattle as he desires on his 160 acres (homestead) with his water rights on the Virgin River intact. He can water his melons and his cows on private land which is the American way. Bundy can consider diversification with organic melons and free range beef barbecues along with ecotourism in the Gold Butte wild-lands behind his home. Americans are creative and resilient and Bundy can consider joining with Clark County, Nevada in advancing from 1877 (rather 1954) to 2014. After all, most of us law abiding and tax paying Americans only get to call the shots on our very own real property.

    • http://lisacolorado.blogspot.com lisacolorado

      Okay I’m taking in what you’re saying. Now… This information, without other stories and opinions I’ve seen of trashing the man’s character personally, is important stuff to know.

      I see the word ‘Mormon’ as a key term to set people off. It does my husband, who dislikes that religion. That’s just one example.

      And I wonder how many tortoises were killed by the BLM, why didn’t they arrest Bundy when he drove his truck into town instead of creating a big conflagration?

      I don’t like you and I think Monsanto and the Koch Brothers are just more keywords of liberal rage, and there’s equal and opposite money and influence on the Left… but I did listen to what you said.

      • Jefry Tober

        What I wrote is highly accurate despite your ideology.

        You might find this Timeline very interesting:
        http://www.mynews3.com/mostpopular/story/TIMELINE-History-of-land-dispute-between-Cliven/PNXsX3XL3UuTzi7_oHdqKA.cspx

        You might find the Bundy case interesting as well:
        http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/nevada/nvdce/2:2012cv00804/87613/35

        Bundy is a myth onto himself. If you explore local newspaper and news and comments you will start to see his Tea Party, Militia, secessionist colors. Not all locals agree with Bundy and certainly many ranchers reliant upon private property do not support Bundy.

        • raffaelecafagna

          you got to be another liberal coming here with all that ” fancy ” writing ; not interested in your opinion ; please keep it to yourself .

          • JoseCuervo

            Yeah because a person that clearly writes with a high level of education is “fancy” for you.

          • iitywybad

            I see we have another self important liberal socialist communist democrat come over from the Huffington Puffington Post, the Daily Kos, or maybe the Democrat Underground (exacly where they all belong) to proclaim how smart they are and how dumb we are. There is not need to talk with them, because no matter what facts they are presented, they ignore them, change the subject, and go into name calling. I will admit it is fun to irritate them, and drive them into a frenzy which makes them show just how ignorant they are.

          • JoseCuervo

            Actually I am a long life Republican who doesn’t recognize his own party or people that behave irrationally the wa you do. But keep talking out of your ass Mr.I-think-i-know-everything-about-the-stranger-behind-the-keyboard.

            All you did was insult me while at the same time saying to ignore me adding nothing of substance or intelligent to the conversation, while writing it using over 10 words.

            And Alas you wonder why people don’t take you fools seriously.

          • iitywybad

            IF you’re a life long republican, then the only difference I would have to make is that you are a “liberal socialist communist republican”. The Communist Party of the United States supported Obama in both election cycles, and 70 members of the congressional democrats are members of the Socialist Party of the United States. There is only one reason a candidate is supported by the Communist Party and only one reason to be a member of the Socialist Party. Since everything you post supports the lefts position, I am justified in putting you in their camp.
            I think you’re a liar, but if you were a life long Republican and believe what you’re posting today, we’re better off with you going over to the democrats. As far as insults are concerned, you libs always start them and try to portray yourselves as the sharpest tacks in the box, then you seem totally caught off guard when someone is smart enough to throw them back at you.
            Have a nice day!!

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh But I thought he was a Muslim? or the Antichrist as someone told me earlier? you know 666 the exorcist and what not….. Which is it? Can you make up your minds please?

            Hahaha Obama is a communist… god you people are INSANE.. too funny. And then you wonder why you lost the last 2 elections. And mark my words.. you tea bags keep this line of talk, you are going to lose the next Presidential election. The GOP is in shambles thanks to T partiers like you. It is an embarrasment.

            COMMUNIST PARTY

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXEPk3dzFg

          • raffaelecafagna

            ” a person that clearly writes with a high level of education ”
            do us a real favor , something nice : tell BLM to go push Illegal Aliens out of our land instead of pushing Americans around . What are you , another liberal brainwashed ki$$ a%% to the district of corruption ??

          • JoseCuervo

            Long life Conservative sick of people that act just like you and is imploding our party from within.

            Because breaking the law is not patriotic

          • raffaelecafagna

            Obama’s Lawless Executive Orders: EO13547
            read it ; maybe it will clear your confused mentality.

          • JoseCuervo

            haha, an obscure blog… hilarious. I don’t even know what your point is.

            Here is a list of Executive Orders by President, Obama’s might be a little higher by now of course.

            Obama: 171

            W. Bush: 291

            Clinton: 364

            HW Bush: 166

            Reagan: 381

            Carter: 320

            Ford: 169

            Nixon: 346

            Johnson: 324

            Kennedy: 214

            Eisenhower: 486

            Truman: 896

            FDR: 3,728

          • patriotgirl

            Your BO number must have come from his first week in office in 2008.

          • JoseCuervo
          • raffaelecafagna

            just read it and you will find out

          • JoseCuervo

            Already did long before today. Why don’t you tell me what your point is clown shoes?

          • raffaelecafagna

            liberals like you with a perverted mentality , turn into insulting others ; liberals far left of your caliber can`t stay in a decent conversation ; go back to your satanic cave ,retarded imbeciles , and stay there ; you are diarrhea ; you are a retarded imbecile because you don`t understand what you read , if you really spent time reading EO13547 ; and I believe you did not spent a second on it ; conclusion : don`t waste your liberal perverted mentality on answering because I do not deal with ignorance and garbage like your kind .

          • JoseCuervo

            LMAO… you sound like a sociopath and a lunatic. This made a nice screenshot. Hilarious…. ohh you insulted me.. I am so heartbroken. BWAHAHAHAHA… Typical conservative. All you have done on here is insult me and other adding nothing of substance to this topic. And then when we fight back ohh it is us that insult you… You are so butthurt it is quite funny. Can’t even write a sentence using proper grammar. Go back to Mexico Rafael seems to me like you are dying for acceptance from the white man.

          • raffaelecafagna

            faccia da culo

          • JoseCuervo

            ur have an ass face? yeah i knew that thanks.

          • raffaelecafagna

            you should tell BLM to push Illegals out of our land instead of pushing Americans around ; use your ” high level of education “.

          • JoseCuervo

            Actually under Obama, there have been more deportations than under any other President. This is a point our GOP are always reminding the Latino vote as it makes Obama look soft on immigration. Pay attention!

          • http://commentspammersmustdie.blogspot.com/ Kakarot

            Actually under Obama, there have been more deportations than under any other President

            Debatable, at best. Given Obama’s reluctance to enforce any law he doesn’t like, I’m tempted to declare shenanigans on that claim.

            http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150844/south-park-calls-shenanigans

          • JoseCuervo
          • http://commentspammersmustdie.blogspot.com/ Kakarot

            So you are saying Republicans are saying Obama has deported more people than Bush. I would think you would use places like Drudge or the RNC for reference in that case, rather than places left wing sites like The Nation.

          • JoseCuervo

            Drudge or RNC? I don’t read fiction. Left wing , wow you got me on 1 of the links.

            why can you people do your own research? why can’t you read something from the other side and say , well let me look that up to see if he is right. it would save us a whole lot of nonsense.

            Will a Fox News link make you feel better?

            http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/01/29/david-leopold-why-did-obama-devote-only-30-seconds-his-speech-to-immigration/

            http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2014/04/08/opinion-love-and-politics-look-at-jeb-bush-love-statement/

            Report: Deportations Quadrupled With Obama, Two-Thirds Were For Minor Offenses

            http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2014/04/07/report-deportations-quadrupled-with-obama-two-thirds-were-for-minor-offenses/

            What about TheBlaze? teatards are always putting Blaze articles as arguments

            Obama Administration Deports 1.5 Million Illegal Immigrants in 1st Term – A New Record

            http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/25/obama-administration-deports-1-5-million-illegal-immigrants-in-1st-term-a-new-record/

            Or one from Breitbart? Like you, they hate Obama

            “Yet the Obama Administration has deported more undocumented immigrants. 1.2 million, than any other president, and that has not gone unnoticed
            by the Latino community, which smells election-year politicking behind Obama’s sudden amnesty for the undocumented immigrants.”

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/24/Obama-Latino-strategy-vulnerable

            Or a Pew research link? which I already posted but I am sure you skimmed right to the nation.

            http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/19/high-rate-of-deportations-continue-under-obama-despite-latino-disapproval/

            President Obama: Deporter-In-Chief
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexnowrasteh/2012/07/30/president-obama-deporter-in-chief/

          • raffaelecafagna

            use your high level of education : tell BLM to use all that power ,resources , equipment ( all paid by taxpayers money ) to push illegals out of our land ; not push Americans around.
            You being a liberal don`t understand all this ; go read the Constitution maybe it will clear your brainwashed mentality .
            You are a liberal , far left , coming here polluting a conservative site ; those remarks on your post are self explanatory of who you are ; no one here made any comment similar to your comment ; so stop pushing your liberalism , it does not work here .You know who you are , don`t beat around the bushes .
            Ciao.
            . .

          • JoseCuervo

            Maybe we should start with you raffael.. Plus the GOP line is that the President is soft on immigration, that Obama has deported more illegals than any other President before him. And if you did some research, and looking at the stuff you write and how you write is clear you don’t, you would know Border Security has doubled in the last 6 years and the borders are more secure than ever……This is the GOP party line…. are you saying your party is wrong?

            You wouldn’t understand the US Constitution if I spell it out for you.

            And for sure you have no Clue on what the Nevada Constitution says…. you know how Clive hates the US Federal Government (that in my book is treason) but loves State Government… well, here is what the Nevada Constitution says

            All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may
            require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the
            United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or
            perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to
            maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or
            forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

            I don’t think it can be any clearer. This man is defying the laws of the
            United States of America that we fought to preserve and the clear constitutional directives of the
            State of Nevada. He does not have a leg to stand on.

            Now go back to your trailer and come up with another litany of clever insults to say to me that add nothing to the discussion. Clown.

          • JoseCuervo

            LMAO… you can’t even write a sentence in proper english. Go back to mexico.

          • raffaelecafagna

            wrong ; I was born in Africa and came here legally to be a Free man in a free Nation ; you should be the one going back to your origin and come back here legally , not jumping the fence . You are a disgrace .

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh you are from Kenya, like your boy Obama….. you must be another commie too. Did you learn how to pick cotton over there? I hope so because Clive says you blacks must learn to pick cotton to make something of yourself. Me jumping a fence? Kid I was born in Brooklyn, so were my parents and my parents before them so I don’t think that line works with me And a foreigner such as yourself should not stoop to such a low level to tell anyone to not jump a fence. You are a guest in MY country. And as I corrected someone earlier, my name is not in spanish…. You are so stupid ignorant , or as a conservative would call you, another wetback.

            Don’t be mad at me black boy. I am just acting like your idols here. Acting like the conservatives you love so much. Sucks doesn’t it?

        • Francie26

          Other people do not have to agree with him for him to be able to keep his own property and that includes his 100 year old agreement with the Feds to use that land for grazing. He had no agreement with the BLM, but predated that organization many years, going back to our early settler days in America. And he does not need to agree with you to keep what he owns. That’s not how America works.

          • JoseCuervo

            It has been documented his parents bought that farm in 1948. the guy is a fraud.

            “I’ve lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forageand the water and the access and range improvements,” Bundy said.

            The Nevada Constitution pre-dates this by 16 years. That when they
            became a state in 1864 they gave up their rights for unappropiated
            federal lands and codified it in the states constitution…

            Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy’s parents bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.

            Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn’t start grazing on that land until 1954.

            The Bureau of Land Management was created 1946, the same year Cliven was born.

      • Francie26

        The BLM who went in there on their rampage of destruction against the land owner and his cattle also managed to destroy an extremely rare tortoise nesting site. Thousands of eggs and young hatchlings were killed, and since this tortoise is endangered because it has a huge problem procreating, this could easily have been not only the last functioning nesting site, but even worse, the last of the young that will ever be produced by that animal. You can thank Harry Reid for that.

    • http://lisacolorado.blogspot.com lisacolorado

      And I give you major credits for sincerity.

    • Francie26

      “Americans are creative. . . . After all, most of us law abiding and tax paying Americans only get to call the shots on our very own real property.” And others get to call the shots on property on which they and their ancestors have bought and paid for grazing rights for over 100 years. None of you liberals cared until you found some perceived value in that land, and then suddenly, Cliven Bundy was a monster. As to Sean Hannity, he is wrong, wrong, wrong on this issue, and so are all the liberals ganged up behind that venomous ole’ thief, and sniveler, Harry Reid. If Harry is for it, God must surely be against it. Because you can bet your bottom dollar that Harry is only doing this for some ulterior financial benefit to himself or his “boys.” And you can also bet that if he wants it, it’s gonna’ cost you taxpayers somewhere down there along the way. That’s just how ole’ slimy Harry rolls.

    • Silky Wiley

      I’m sure it is all for the greater good. And Bundy being who he is, is a small sacrifice to the greater good. Sarcasm.

    • iitywybad

      In spite of your reply of many words, your ignorance is displayed most prominently by your remarks regarding the “desert tortoise”. First, cattle don’t present any threat to the tortoise – the coexist very well. Second, there are so many of these desert tortoises that many of them have been euthanized because the population grew so much. Third, in a transplanted habitat they have increased their population and the only thing keeping it in check is the babies being eaten by ravens – when the environmentalist wackos find the crushed shells in the nest, they bury them and claim they never existed. All you ignorant liberal socialist communist democrats are a national joke.

      • Strandwolf

        You are a liar.

    • Loyal

      What if you went away! “Call the shots on our on property”, get off the dope!

  • Idawg67

    Cliven Bundy’s remarks were NOT racist. He started the point with ‘I WONDER IF’. He NEVER stated ‘They WOULD be better off…’ And even if he did, having an old school opinion like that is NOT wrong and NOT racist. And actually, I am MORE disappointed at the SO CALLED CONSERVATIVES (RINOS IMO) and the SO CALLED CONSERVATIVE talk show hosts that are going along with this NYSlimes EDIT/HATCHET job…

    Lastly, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE MARINE :) Semper Fidelis

    • JoseCuervo

      Right. Because saying I wonder preceding racist remarks makes it non racist. Yup. Ok.

      • Buster Gipson

        Like I wonder if your really that Stupid

        • JoseCuervo

          yeay, that is really insightful. You are such a tough internet warrior. I don’t wonder if you are stupid because you really are stupid.

          • Buster Gipson

            jose go back across the border your mama is under the porch barking again

  • George

    Semper Fi , Damn I thought I was the only one who got what and how Mr Bundy was saying what he said. As an American I am proud of you for standing with him, as a Marine I’m proud to stand with both of you and die if need be.Some of us will never give up this Country. God Bless

    • Loyal

      Thanks Men!

  • Michael Quariadi

    Lib-tards make me sick the way they distort things in order to give someone a bad label. They turn our society into one where people have to walk on eggshells just to avoid getting a bad label.

    • JoseCuervo

      yeah , the media sure distorted when he called Black people black boys and slaves yup… they probably used a voice actor to make it seem like he said those things yup. Because been beaten up to be forced to work and given entrails and intestines and left over for dinner and work for no pay is much better than the way people are “enslaved” now a days… yup. Only black people take welfare.. all those rednecks in the valley and white trash on the trailer park.. they are loaded with money…. yup/

      • Loyal

        Learn to read! Black leaders have said the same things, and I have Mexican relatives, that call you a “Wet back”. What’a Ya think?

        • JoseCuervo

          I would think that it would be out of place since I am whiter than bread with luscious blond hair. Cracker would be the appropriate aspersion in this case. Sorry to crush your erroneous ass-umptions

      • Wayne Ogilvy

        What’s the matter libby ? Your significant other not showing you any love today ? You need some attention and maybe a hug ? I hear there’s this great bath house in Chicago that has some really famous members and they spend lot’s of time getting in touch with their feelings and comforting each other. You should join {If not already a member} There should be lot’s of boy’s there that agree with your view of this world ! Have a nice life !

        • JoseCuervo

          I’m actually not a liberal but yeah… that sounds fun. But I see you as the radical conservative you seem to be portraying yourself to be. One that hates his President and the government

          I know you are tired of the social liberal agenda?. That SICK!!! pesky Separation of Church and State? Think American culture is trash? Do you want to secede?

          Have I got the place for you!!!!

          Move to Sunny Iran!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Where Todays Conservative dreams come true!

          Guns for everyone: Yes
          Adulterers:Stoned!!!
          Liberal Media: Silenced!!!!
          Gays: Punished!!!
          Women: Modest and Oppressed!
          Government + Religion : Yes!

          Ladies don’t forget your Hijab!

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Well at least you have a sense of humor for a gay feller ! Most of your type get all huffy & puffy when exposed to the daylight !

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh I am gay now… is that what you are thinking about so late in the afternoon? Why are you thinking about gays? I bet you are like those politicians that hate gay in public but then get caught doing gay sex,

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Your the one that said that sounds like fun when I referred to the Chicago bath house , Hugs, And getting in touch with their feelings Jose ! And you do seem to have quite the knowledge base of gay politicians and gay sex so naturally as an alcoholic with compromised morals it would be easy for you to fall prey to other depravity’s and immoral behaviors !

          • JoseCuervo

            Whatever you say black boy

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            UH OH, Are you getting your racist panties in a bind ?

          • JoseCuervo

            Why are you calling me racist? I am just using innocent words, exactly like Clive Bundy… if you are getting insulted by it, maybe MLK has not done his job.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            There is a difference in the way the two of you use words fella, I can almost guarantee you if you walk up to a black man and call him a black boy like you did me,emphasis on boy, Your going to get the taste slapped out of your mouth. Two people can use identical words but mean entirely different things . Bundy in my estimation meant no disrespect to anyone, But when you called me black boy you indeed meant it as an insult !

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh.. this is grand.. you are using my own arguments against me… please go on. Tell me more my slave friend.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            They are wrong because you claim to be a conservative ! If you are a Liberal {As I believe you are} Then it’s OK for you to use words such as negro,wetback,chink,cracker,whatever, it’s the same old liberal BS, Do as I say not as I do !

          • JoseCuervo
      • Michael Quariadi

        YOU are the one distorting things because HE did not call Black people black boys and slaves, you liar. YOU are the one putting words in HIS mouth to distort things. You’re just as bad as the lib-tards and the liberally biased media.

        • JoseCuervo

          Really Michael, I put words in his mouth? Yeah, I made him say those things . You people trully are “special’, libtards? what are you 12? So infantile…

          Here is the quote, I wrote it so when you watch the video, it is clear to you.

          “when we talk about prejudice , we are talking about not been able to exercise what we think in our feelings, we don’t have freedom to say what we want. If I say ‘negro’ or ‘black boy’ or ‘slave’ … if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive, then Martin Luther King didn’t do his job done yet”

          Yeah Clive, go call black people in the street black boys or slaves….

          Here is the video proving he said it. Out of his own mouth out of those old chapped lips.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1Bf-AxkBp-0#t=143

          • Michael Quariadi

            Yes, really, Jose, YOU put words in his mouth. Bundy did not say, “Black people are black boys”, or “Black people are slaves”. YOU said that he said those things. Therefore, YOU are the one distorting, just like all the lib-tards and race-baiters do. YOU are the one who is the infantile 12-year old, you damn liar. YOU have not proven anything YOU said, you damn liar.

          • JoseCuervo

            You are either stupid or just a liar.. which one is it? HE SAID IT ON THE VIDEO HIS OWN WORDS

            “when we talk about prejudice , we are talking about not been able to exercise what we think in our feelings, we don’t have freedom to say
            what we want. If I say ‘negro’ or ‘black boy’ or ‘slave’ … if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive, then Martin Luther King didn’t do his job done yet”

            Let me break it down

            He wants the freedom to be able to call people slaves or black boy or negro but since we have that pesky word “prejudice” well he can’t but he did anyway

            ” if those people cannot take those kind of word”
            Those people he refers to are AFRICAN AMERICAN.. or “The Blacks” and he means in the present day.

            The words he says they get insulted by are “negro” “black boy” “slaves”

            ANYONE that sees that video, that is not a racist or has a little level of intelligence can understand this.

            You can call me a liar all day… but the video Does not lie

            WATCH THE VIDEO
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1Bf-AxkBp-0#t=143

          • JoseCuervo

            When ignorant folks like you want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to
            do anything, you just let them talk.

            Watch the video.. no matter how many times you insult me or call me a liar.. or say he didn’t say it… the video does not lie, he said it.

          • Michael Quariadi

            The use of the word “if” at the beginning of a sentence fragment fundamentally alters the meaning of the sentence as a whole, you ignoramus. That word at the beginning makes the sentence a hypothetical statement. Do you know that hypothetical means? Does the ignoramus know what hypothetical means? Maybe you would know if you went to school with all the other kids.

          • JoseCuervo

            LMAO.. your logic is hilarious. Just like when he said he is just wondering… yup using just wondering and if before saying something racist it automatically makes it not racist. LMAO… you guys are too funny, but not in a haha way.

          • JoseCuervo

            ignoramus.. what are you 5? Yeah I wonder if those black boys would be better as slaves. yeah not racist at all.. yup… makes total sense now.

  • Jefry Tober

    1)The fact is Clark County purchased the lease in 1988.
    2)The fact is Clark County permanently “retired” in 1998 the grazing allotment in question.
    3)The fact is Bundy has no lease with either Clark County, Nevada, or the federal land.
    4)The fact is Bundy’s cattle is trespassing Clark County’s grazing allotment in question.
    5) The fact is BLM was removing tresspassing cattle because they were sued to get the job done.

    Work with those facts for a while. Please find a link of Bundy’s lease with any entity.

    • Francie26

      The fact is you lie a lot.

      • JoseCuervo

        The fact is everything Jefry is stating has been documented… there is paperwork that proves it.

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          Get back to your Tequila and Mota Jose !

          • JoseCuervo

            Well, I don’t drink alcohol and I don’t know what mota is…. but keep showing us how infantile you people are…it’s hilarious

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            And you people will just stand around worshiping your lord and savior obama while his brown shirts point guns at Americans and sell our land to the Chinese just so you can keep your obama phone and your snap cards ! You are for now a useful idiot, Soon to be considered by your massa a worthless eater !

          • Jefry Tober

            Mormons don’t like brown skins unless they convert them. FACT.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Are you speaking of dirty Harry Reid ? He claims to be a Mormon.

          • JoseCuervo

            When you use words like “wordshipping” and “lord and savior” Obama, no one can take you seriously. Those are words of your own invention

            Obama phone, ha, you mean the Safe Link program that Bush started? But I’m the idiot…ironic

            Soo Infantile, keep talking man… keep it up. Liberals love it, makes smart conservatives like me defect my good old republican party. People like you makes us old time Conservatives look like fools.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            If you are a conservative I’m the smartest person on the planet. Jose you don’t need any help looking like & being a fool. you got that covered all by yourself. And like all good liberals you change words around, I said worshiping not wordshipping ! Were onto your little left wing tricks. Your gonna have to come up with something new !

          • JoseCuervo

            it is so sad that only smart thing you could come up with, is that I made a typo.. Bravo! Keyboard Warrior.. Bravo!

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Typo’s by the NYT & you liberals are on purpose until caught !

          • Carolyn VanZorge

            LOL

      • Jefry Tober

        The fact is you have not fact check beyond informattion that conforms to your desire.

        http://www.mynews3.com/mostpopular/story/TIMELINE-History-of-land-dispute-between-Cliven/PNXsX3XL3UuTzi7_oHdqKA.cspx

    • madman

      This is all about the BLM acting like Nazi Storm Troopers. You neeed tyo connect some of the dots in this. The head of the BLM is a friend of Harry Reid. Harry Reid & his son Rory want the land so some ChiCom energy company can build on it. It has nothing to do with grazing fees & all to do with Harry Reid looking to steal some one else’s land.

      • Mike

        Yep… amazing that the gov controlled media wants to spin it as fines and court orders, then when that doesn’t work, they pull out the Bunker Buster RACE card. Funny I don’t see that same media reporting on Reid, his son or the Chi Com company’s land grab.

        • Jefry Tober

          Even Brietbat has debunked the “Chinese” deal.

    • Mike

      Interesting… #2 and #4 contradict one another. You are entitled to your opinion. But so am I and you have completely missed the big picture. If you like Facts… Please research Laws on eminent domain, prescriptive rights, Inverse Comdenation, Grandfather Clauses, and Agenda 21. Make sure you have a Blacks Law dictionary. Please also look up Reid LLC. Just because the Gov passes some law does not make it Legal under the Constitution.

      • Mike

        BTW I am a Marine and a FACT that my Oath to the Constitution is what I base my opinion on. Good luck with letting them spoon feed you their gov controlled fun “facts”

    • Wayne Ogilvy

      So that makes it OK for them to train guns on Americans and Kill Mr, Bundy’s cattle ? You can’t even spell your name right and you expect us to listen to you ? Jefry Toker, Kepp hitting the bong it’s working real well for you fella !!

      • Jefry Tober

        Uh. Bundy missed the date to remove and comply. At that time the local tea party and militia showed up PRIOR to the BLM to come in to remove trespass cows by court order. The Militia came first and the BVLM came in second with appropriate respeonse. The locals know thta. Talk to people in Mesquite.

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          Son, You have your fact’s wrong. There were protestors and supporters there in response to the BLM’s roadblocks and first amendment areas. The militia and other patriots showed up AFTER Mr, Bundy’s son was tasered and pushed around and threatened, They ” The Militaia ” were not there to start trouble but to act as a deterrent to an out of control federal bureaucracy that had 200 armed agents including snipers pointing guns at Americans for grazing fees and some BS story about a desert tortoise. Kinda like the BS muhammad video that caused the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi right . Anyway’s there are many video’s on the internet about this from the beginning to today, verify it for yourself but please don’t just believe everything the MSM and the govt, say because like lawyers they are professional liars for the most part !

          • Jefry Tober

            Read the local press. Bundy missed his removal date for trespass cattle. The BLM set up a federal closure THEN the Militia came in THEN the Militia guns came out. THEN the BLM guns came out. LOCAL newspapers say that NOT national MSM.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            OK young man, I can see we are not going to see eye to eye on this so I will leave you with this thought. When the govt, Be it local state or federal decides they want your property, Be it land or cars or food or money and tries to put you out of business because of secret backroom deals they have made do you think for one minute that the court system will rule in your favor ? These cases are decided on a golf course or in a bar long before you get into a courtroom. Bundy never had a chance in court. The politicians and judges are all buddies and if they’re not the fed’s will just have the NSA dig up some dirt to blackmail them with. Corruption runs deep in today’s America ! But don’t worry be happy !!

          • Jefry Tober

            Thank you for your calm reply. You might be surprised how much common ground exists, once everyone goes beyond ideology. I don’t support political cronyism left or right, the corrupt should be found, investigated and brought to justice by a court of law. I don’t support NSA. I don’t support overreach. But careful research upon all of the history and issues pertaining to Mr Bundy will illustrate he is spitting in the face of all BLM leaseholders.

            The fact is politics are local (really) and it is all about building relations. The problem is not so much being decided in a bar or back-room or golf course. The problem is who is included and who is not.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Well unless your very wealthy, You and I will never be included in anything that deals with a politicians power or unjust wealth accumulations {Funny how after they become an elected official their wealth increases exponentially} I just don’t want them to kill the Bundy’s or they’re supporters, If he owes money put a lien on his property, If his cattle are trespassing on public lands cancel one of the obama’s vacations and use that money to put up a fence. There are much better way’s to do things than sending in Swat teams to intimidate folks. One of these days someone other than a citizen is going to regret this force first policy these govt’ stooges always seem to use today. Violence should always be a last resort but too often it’s the first tool out of the law enforcement society today, they quit being the good guy’s at times due to the military grade weapons and training, they are no longer peace officers but soldiers {In their mind} and we are more often than not viewed as the enemy. When I was young we could just go up and talk to a policeman anytime, Now if you approach a LEO they have {some not all} attitudes and look at you like you are a criminal. I don’t much care for the direction we are going because I remember when it truly was the land of the free and the home of the brave ! take care and stay safe & God bless America !!

          • JoseCuervo

            Actually it is you that have everything wrong. It is quite hilarious.

      • JoseCuervo

        Really, you are going to attack the man in how to spell his own name? Hilarious. Ever heard of Jefry Marte? Baseball player? F ignorant.

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          And you complained about me answering your comment to someone else. F Liberal !

    • CommiMarko

      Here’s some facts the Bundy land buts up against the Federal land the Federal land is not fenced and Bundy’s cattle do occasionally wonder over. Our Federal Courts have ruled that an open door is an invite to enter .. If the GuBba’mEnt had fenced and Bundy had cut the fence or pass thru a gate then it would be trespassing

      • Jefry Tober

        That is simply and entirely incorrect. Please go talk to the law abiding ranchers on BLM managed land. 18,000 BLM leases and one lying law breaking Bundy.

    • Guest

      jeff – since you are so interested infects and laws, i am hoping that you are as equally concerned about illegal aliens trespassing in our country and costing us so much money, as you are about some cows trespassing in nevada…………

    • Carolyn VanZorge

      jeff – since you are so interested in facts and laws, i am hoping that you are as equally concerned about illegal aliens trespassing in our country and costing us so much money, as you are about some cows trespassing in nevada…………

      • JoseCuervo

        Is that your comeback? to bring something unrelated to the subject?

        But since you bring it up, in the last 6 years border patrol has DOUBLED, and according to fellow Republicans accuse Obama as soft on immigration , due to the fact that more illegals have being deported under Obama than any other president. This is easily found online if you care to google it.

        Work with those facts for a while

  • bud

    Who is this guy and why does Bundy have a bodyguard?
    I am a marine and Bundy is a mooch not paying his taxes and refusing to honor the courts decision.

    • Wayne Ogilvy

      Bud, I guess you get your info, from MSLSD huh ? Mr, Bundy doesn’t owe taxes. he supposedly owes grazing fees for his cattle. If indeed you are a Marine {as is my Grandson} then you are not keeping up with what’s going on here at home. Try to keep up I’ll make it short, The BLM claims Mr, Bundy owes grazing fees for use of public land, Mr, Bundy disputes that he owes the feds but is willing to pay the state of Nevada the fees. the feds have by hook & crook forced 52 other ranchers out of business and Bundy is the last one standing. The feds decided to send 200 armed BLM and Park Rangers to surround the ranch and hire so called cowboys to round up Bundy’s cattle which they ran some to death and shot others from helicopters. They also used tasers and dogs on Bundy’s son and other supporters, They had Visible snipers on hilltops for intimidation factors. And all of this for grazing fees and a story about a desert tortoise, The tortoise story reminds me of the video cover story about Benghazi ! You do remember Benghazi right Bud ? Anyway it’s a land grab by Harry Reid and son & part of Agenda 21s BS. Catch up with the truth young man and thank you for your service !

      • Gary

        IF, he is indeed in the service! There are too many ashholes out there pretending to be military, just so someone will listen to them! I do not believe, for a minute, this clown is military!

      • Renee

        Well said. That was great that you educated him instead of calling him some name. Unfortunately, many people in our society learn to believe what they see on T.V instead of educating themselves further then MSNBC. Thats what the media and the crooks of our govt DEPEND on!!

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          Renee, I do sometimes stoop to calling names, Depending on how rude or ignorant I feel someone is being, My Mother taught me better but sometimes I forget. But usually the liberals will start the name calling so I don’t feel too bad about it. Anyway thank you and stay safe 7 keep your powder dry !

          • JoseCuervo

            Really, because if someone actually looks around this forum at all the comments involving you.. or simply clicks on your name, they can see all the insults you needlessly throw at people. For no reason at all. My 1st interaction with you today was you coming out of the blue replying ot one of my comments to someone else and telling me to go drink (which I don’t drink) and to go back to my mota.. whatever that means.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            And so far today Jose “I don’t drink alcohol” You have insulted the Tea Party, a Marine, the Bundy’s and anyone that disagrees with you. Including calling me Black Boy. You can dish it out but like all true liberals you just can’t take it ! You have a very thin skin and a very large opinion of your opinion !

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh why did you get insulted with me calling you a black boy? nothing wrong with being black…. nothing wrong with saying Black boy or negro right? …. I mean,, isn’t that what you have been defending mr.bundy for all day long?

            You sound like a stinking liberal now

            The Tea party does enough to insult themselves.

            And until I can see papers proving this is a real US Marine… like the Tea party wants from Obama, this is just a guy in a costume.

            See when I use your logic and your tea party logic it’s not so good is it?

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Why did you get insulted when I called you gay boy ? Nothing wrong with being gay is there ? And the Marine or any other Patriot has nothing to prove to a cowardly liberal that hides behind an alcohol screen name. Why don’t you come all the way out of the closet and tell us your real name ?

          • JoseCuervo

            absolutely nothing wrong with being called gay. BUt it seems you use gay as an insult. And again i say it again I dont drink.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Jose, You might actually be the one human on earth that might benefit from a drink once in a while !

          • JoseCuervo

            Since you are becoming quite fond of using my name. it is pronounced Yose (not the spanish Jose) after my great grandfathers last name who was born in England. Cuervo comes from my fathers side, who is from Spanish descent.. as in Spain… not Mexico as the way Mr.Bundy was referring to Mexicans as “the Spanish” people. You know, right before he was referring to present day “the Blacks” as black boy, negro or slave. Sue my parents for giving me a more interesting name than Wayne Ogilvy.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Well Yose, I am glad you are so fond of yourself and confident in your ability to take advantage of an inebriated female. Do you use the date rape drug along with the tequila or are you just so exciting that they can’t resist your charms ?

          • JoseCuervo

            Im just a very exciting person… Like Mr Dos Equis…an interesting man. No I don’t use your date rape drug tactics which apparently is your Modus Operandi. That would have never crossed my mind.

            But that’s is how you guys operate , seems to be common amongst today’s republicans

            http://www.inquisitr.com/373620/gop-activist-accused-of-date-rape-is-found-dead-suicide-suspected/

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            When I was young and single we had respect for females and never even heard of such a thing. I just figured that being a liberal you are so feminine yourself that the only way you could get a lady to go home with you would be to drug her !

          • JoseCuervo

            Oh and it is spelled Jose.. I know it is not rocket science but seems this is very confusing to you, it is not spelled the way it sounds…get it Ogrevee?

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            I really wish you would make up your mind what the heck your name is and what you are little fella , You are indeed quite confusing !

          • JoseCuervo

            I know , for someone like you it might be confusing…. let me dumb it down for you…when you write it it is spelled Jose, when you think it or speak it it is Yose.,…

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Yosemite Sam, You are very good at dumbing it down ! Had lots of experience I guess at the dumb part ! Thank you for clearing that up for me ! We can continue this another time. Today is family time so, Have a Great day Jose !!

          • JoseCuervo

            really? you have family? There is a woman out there that actually deals with you? God bless her. or maybe she is just like you which if it is the case, you deserve each other.

            You have a blessed day.

          • JoseCuervo

            you cant even understand a simple thing like this, can’t expect you to understand politics.

      • JoseCuervo

        “claims ” you say…. He has been taken to court several times over this. IT IS FACT that he owes 1 million in grazing fees. At a discounted rate than most of his peers.

        OMG… Benghazi? really , you are going to talk about Bengazhi right now. That is so unrelated but that is how you guys operate.. I could say.. How is the weather? and you would say , it’s nice clear day , kinda like that day in Beghazi… yeah nice day….

        Lets discuss Benghazi since you brought it up. Remind us who cut funding for Embassy security… Are those 4 lives more important than 3,000 dead under Bush’s watch on 9/11? An attack he had information to be able to stop but ignored? Or all the american soliders he sent into two unpaid wars?

        What about the countless embassies that were attacked during
        Bush’s terms? Bush makes Obama look like an angel.

        A list of Bushes Benghazi’s:

        January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

        June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

        October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

        February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

        May12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

        July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

        December6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

        March2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

        September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria.
        Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

        January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

        March 18, 2008. Sana’a,Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearbyschool killing two.

        July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

        September17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven
        months.

        October28, 2002 – 60 year old American diplomat Lawrence Foley is shot to death by Al Qaeda terrorists outside his home in Amman. Foley was supervisory director of the USAID program in Jordan. Foley’s assassination was part of a spate of Al Qaeda attacks in the fall of 2002 also including the Bali bombing (which killed over 200 including seven Americans) and the death of an American Marine in Kuwait. The Pentagon drew up plans to attack and kill the terrorists who ordered the Foley assassination, but the Bush administration quashed it because they believed it would have distracted from the coming invasion of Iraq.

        October
        15, 2003 – Three American State Department personnel are killed when a roadside bombing strikes their armored vehicle in Gaza. A
        Syrian-sponsored Palestinian terror group, the Popular Resistance
        Committee, takes reponsibility. No American retaliation takes place.

        January
        1, 2008 – American USAID diplomat John Granville, being driven home from a New Year’s Eve party at the British Embassy, is ambushed and killed along with his Sudanese driver by jihadist militants in Khartoum,Sudan. Not until Obama came into office were rewards of up to $5 million offered for capturing those responsible.

        So thats more American diplomats killed by terrorists on Bush’s watch…none of which were tied with thousands of hours of ensuing wall-to-wall TV coverage on Foxnews or endlessly redundant Congressional hearings.

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          And just like all Liberal false truth speakers, You live in the past and blame Bush for everything. you left wing nut jobs never learn from the past but you sure like to bring it up all the time. P.S I never said I liked Bush either !

          • JoseCuervo

            Yup yup , keep the insults.. you are a class act!

    • Loyal

      Why does obama need body guards, dingbat! If you knew what was going on, you wouldn’t ask a dumb question. And he does pay taxes, Etc. Learn to read! You are the mooch! And how did the likes of you get to be a Marine?

      • bud

        Why can’t some people make points without calling others childish names?
        Comparing Bundy to Obama makes zero sense.

        • SickofPoliticks

          Did you not call Bundy a mooch? Isn’t that a childish name? And you’re right. Comparing Bundy to Obama makes zero sense. I would never denigrate Mr. Bundy in that manner.

  • johnnyrocks67

    Tragically Bundy’s comments, as inelegant as they were, have become the story instead of the fact that our government has become a jackbooted army of petty tyrants. Who among us has not said something foolish, impolite, offensive, or wrong? All of is have. Perhaps Bundy is a racist–we can’t read his mind or get into his soul. That said, it really doesn’t matter what he thinks about race relations — he’s entitled to his opinion just as Farrakhan, Jackson, Sharpton, etc are (and their words do not speak very highly of Caucasians). And because we still have a few vestiges of free speech left in this country, we can still actually speak our mind even if it sounds stupid or hurtful to some. My sadness in this matter is that an opportunity to show what our government has become in its overreach and abuse of power has been squandered because an old cowboy got played by the media.

  • Buster Gipson

    Dear bud go back, sip some more koolaid , whoreship lord obama and SHUT UP

  • Bill bates

    I’m with the marine-I have been saying for a long time that liberals in government no matter what party have destroyed not only black families but poor white families

  • Bill bates

    They have done this for power and money

  • tom cook

    This is so correct, and Semper Fi Marine. Many people have said the same thing that Bundy said–perhaps Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams are more sophistcated in their explression but then they are very highly educated men. Before he decided to jump on the black racist bandwagon my favorite actor said years ago that we need to stop speaking of black men and white men and just say men. By-the-way what the hell is an AfricanAmerican? Stupid. What is wrong with negro? Hannity is a self-righteous jackass for sure and my contemplt for Rand Paul has grown immensely.

  • ccummings

    Mr. Bundy may not be eloquent, but I do not believe he meant anything in malice, he was only comparing the current Govt having made the Negro as well as all Americans as much a slave today by economic oppression as the Negros were for so many years at the beginning of our great Nation. Having grown up in the 70s in the projects in Seattle, I do know how the government helps. I believe that now, the Govt. is actively trying to shape our society to their own grand plan and are doing it via carrot (handouts) and stick (taxes). I believe it will only get worse, and both the Democrat and Republican party are working to the same goal. Can we all understand that being part of a race only means we are all people, and no person is any more or less than any other person.

    Stop believing there is a race issue, only the politicians and their confederates are making race an issue and only to get votes or money or power for themselves.

    Are we so easily led for such a stupid reason.

  • CommiMarko

    he must be a friend because Bundy is toxic … Bundy is a 80 something year old simpleton, lives out in the middle of nowhere and his family has done so for 160 years. Expecting this guy to be PC is in it self bigoted. I heard very little of what he said but it’s the same I have heard from CNN & FNC and others, ” that the African American Family ” has been destroyed and African Americans have gone from cotton plantation to Progressive Democrat plantation. Every two years during our elections the Progressive Democrat slave masters and their slave minders gin them up and roll them out to vote.
    If you’re open minded and tired of Government Cheese “The Black Sphere” is a great site to subscribe to.

    • iitywybad

      Bundy is toxic ONLY because many so-called conservatives don’t have any more backbone to stand up to liberal socialist communist democrats than RINO’s do. They talk a good story until there is a nick somewhere and all their resolve goes flying out the window. They immediately backtrack, make feeble excuses, and try to make sure NO ONE thinks THEY are racist – never mind that the real racist are on the left. I’m so disgusted with all of them to the point of throwing up.
      Bundy might be an octogenarian, but he’s NOT a simpleton – he’s a patriot tired of governmental overreach. I’m 75 years old, far from senile, and I knew immediately the point that Bundy was making. Sean Hannity is 50, and must be getting senile because I haven’t heard any apology from him for his mistake so maybe he still doesn’t get it.
      I don’t think 80 miles from Las Vegas qualifies as “the middle of nowhere”.

    • Loyal

      I agree, except for simpleton, and “middle of nowhere” (Be hard to raise cattle in the middle of town! No?

    • melissasmom

      The problem is that you “heard very little” of what he said.

    • voncile fullwood

      I picked cotton– peas,beans tobacco fields and it never hurt me and I never complained cotton was sold for many different things-the tobacco field was to bring in money,picking peas,beans and corn put food on the table that is what the South did

  • Robert Cook

    Myself , I don’t care what the feds are saying about Mr. Bundy , he is a good hard working man who is trying to make a living and the feds are just acting on orders by harry Reid so Mr. Reid can become even richer. In politics its all about money and that’s it . These federal officers who were there at the Bundy ranch a mercenaries and that’s it . They answer to the highest bidder . And who’s the highest bidder , the people who has use of our tax dollars . They use our money to hire mercenaries

  • jlp5871

    A lot of blacks are still slaves, slaves to the likes of sharpton, jackson, obuma,clinton, and the democRAT party. They walk lock step to any tune the slave holders call.

    • voncile fullwood

      Amen brother!

  • Leif Erik Knutsen

    Well the Koch Brothers amassed their troops at the Bundy Rebellion. You want to see force! Try that on the White House diggings like “We the People” are doing NOW at the Cowbow & Indian Rally. We ain’t putting or women up front to be shot first for the media attention either, but are walking hand in hand. Women, Black, Red, Yellow, GLTG, Religious and Atheist, even some Corpro/People. Hand in Hand.

    • Wayne Ogilvy

      No offense meant, But what are you talking about ?

      • iitywybad

        There is nothing you can say that would be offensive to the liberal socialist communist democrat trolls, and forget asking them what they’re talking about! They don’t have a clue because liberalism is a mental disorder that can’t be explained. The elevator doesn’t go to the top floor.

    • Gary

      Your name says it all, “nutsen”

    • SickofPoliticks

      What? Not a darn thing you wrote makes sense.

    • voncile fullwood

      do you actually think an atheist will walk hand in hand with a christian? don’t think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Friend of A Friend

    I still believe everyman has the RIGHT to his own opinion…and because some do not like it, does not make it racist, but purely an opinion….Harry Reid’s opinion of the Bundy’s and anyone supporting his cause as domestic terrorists is just as bizarre, but Reid has the right to state his opinion, it was in poor taste as well. His statement is no better then Bundy’s. After all, terrorists…. kill, torcher and rape…and I don’t think that is the case with the Bundies! He over reacted to the situation, just like everyone is over reacting to Bundy…some people just have poor judgment while on their soap box,. Reid is no exception.
    There is no room to breath anymore….maybe everyone needs to step back, live and let live, and move on! It is just not worth it!

    • Gary

      Hairy Reed is probably the most corrupt, despicable, piece of $h..i..t on the planet! And you are defending him! Where does that put you?

      • Friend of A Friend

        Hello Gary, I am in no way defending Reid….I can not stand the guy..he reminds me of a Nazi General. I am just trying to make sense of this whole thing…but thanks for respecting my opinion on the matter. I respect yours as well.

    • mjw1952

      I’m sorry but saying the a race of people is better off as slaves, goes way beyond an opinion. Would you say that if he said that the poor Jews were better off in concentration camps?

      • Steve

        That isn’t what Bundy said. You either didn’t read the entirety of his statement or you are not very good at comprehending what you read.

        “…” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; the…y didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

        We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

        Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.

        When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.

        And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

        You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.

        Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

        Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

        And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.”

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          Amen my brother !

          • Steve

            Thank you.

        • voncile fullwood

          Mexicans are hard working people,I have worked around them in So.Florida and in Texas,and no one should have all freebies,I can never recall having freebies–I worked all my life and made a paycheck where many abuse the system and the elderly can’t get anything or most handicap the ones that really need it can’t seem to anything and that makes me angry to see lazy people that don’t want to work but yet get these freebies all the time

        • mjw1952

          He still said “And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things?” So yes, none of that proves he isn’t racist if he thinks a race would be better off as slaves. The slaves didn’t have picnics with their kids. Their kids were sold like cattle. And he has been on the government dole for 20 years, so what is the difference between him and those “negroes?:” Oh, he got a lot more money from the government. Because he would have had to pay over $16 per cow per month if it wasn’t subsidized by the government. You know, the US government that he fails to recongnize. The one that probably gives him social security and medicare, too.

          • Steve

            If you’re going to cherry pick a quote then here is one that says he isn’t a racist at all. Not one bit. “We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point;”

      • Friend of A Friend

        …where did I say that? This is how things get distorted…I simply said …everyone has the right to their own opinion..like it or not…just like you have your own opinion. I am not defending anyone…only the right to free speech.

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          You better get inside those orange plastic fenced areas while using your first amendment rights or you will be arrested don’t ya know !

          • Friend of A Friend

            ……those orange fences didn’t last long….doubt if that is going to hold anyone back from speaking their mind…we are American’s and that is what we do….If Reid has the right to bloviate then WE have the right to complain about it. GOD BLESS the USA.

      • Carolyn VanZorge

        the media has your head spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning. have you viewed the entire video tape of bundy’s comments yet?

      • voncile fullwood

        the Jews has already been slaves but God brought them out of bondage–and He would bring everyone out of their bondage if they would listen,and the blacks has been brought out of bondage but they want let go

  • http://commentspammersmustdie.blogspot.com/ Kakarot

    I suspect I’m not the only one wondering about the timing.

    1. BLM tries to seize Bundy’s cattle. They fail, mostly due to an outcry of support for the Bundy’s.

    2. Harry Reid says “this is not over yet”.

    3. Suddenly, it is all over the news that Clive Bundy is eeevil.

    It may not be preplanned or deliberate, but the timing sure is convenient for the government minions.

    • Jefry Tober

      There is very little local support beyond the local Tea Party and Nevada Militia. Search for local press and comments by locals. Most of the support is by people right and left that has not fully explored the issues pertaining to Bundy.

  • Donald Congleton

    ooh RAH BROTHER

  • budb1942

    My observations exactly! Thanks for seeing through the media crap, brother. Former US Army but Semper Fi To you.

    • raffaelecafagna

      same here , brother . Bless you .

  • bud

    The courts decided Bundy is wrong.That’s how we do things here.

    • palehorse58

      Who say’s that the courts are right. There are many instances of the courts being wrong.

      • bud

        Then you appeal.You don’t grab your gun and defy the law.
        That’s what happened at Waco,

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          No, What happened at Waco was one nutcase with peter pan abilities had a bunch of people brainwashed into believing he was Jesus Christ reincarnated so they followed him into what they believed would be heaven on earth at their compound. Now I have no information that these people hurt anyone but rumors started flying and in their ultimate wisdom the ATF, FBI and others decided to intervene in the best interest of the children and other innocents in the compound so they began an assault that ended up burning alive many innocents and the very children they claimed to have concern for. I for one do NOT ever want to be rescued by the fed’s for any reason !

          • voncile fullwood

            he was a devil’s cult,like many that will follow Satan—-straight into HELL

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            You may well be right, But that does not give the fed’s the right to execute them. besides did you ever notice that the liberals don’t want the death penalty for convicted murderers but have no problem killing children ?

          • voncile fullwood

            so true! and their choice should have been I want to live too they were made to do what their parents said do

          • bud

            It could have been settled in court but when they shot a couple of agents all bets were off.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Yep those darn kids did need to be punished huh ?

          • bud

            When parents act stupid they sometimes get their kids hurt.It’s like driving drunk with them in the car.If they would have come out and went to court nobody would have got hurt.If Bundy’s nutty friends had started shooting and some got hurt who’s fault would that be?

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            So I guess they couldn’t just wait them out ? They would eventually have to make a food run. Ah but what the heck, We have this really cool tank and CS tear gas that is very flammable so lets torch the place, well show everyone what happens when you don’t bow to your masters !

          • bud

            They didn’t ser out to kill anyone with teargas but none of it would have happened if Koresh had obeyed the law and wasn’t abusing kids.I heard an interview from a girl that was abused by him when she was 12.He was a law breaking child molester.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            And in my opinion, child molesters CANNOT be rehabilitated and should be put down. But not along With the kid’s. And those fed’s knew darn well CS tear gas was highly flammable ! I knew it long before Waco and so did they ! don’t make excuses for jerkoff decisions please !

          • bud

            So you think they wanted to kill the children?

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            Who knows ? One thing is for sure, I didn’t see any of them crying about it afterwards. I think they meant to make a statement and set an example for us to NOT disobey our rulers. You think they have your best interests at heart or would lose a minutes sleep if we were dead ? don’t kid yourself bud. Look up the Georgia guide stones or the UN Agenda 21, That might give you an idea what they have planned for you and I ! Good luck in life my friend !

      • Jefry Tober

        This issue is not Bundy’s ranch his parents bought in 1948 and then started running cattle in 1954. His real property rights are sacred and uncontested. However he willfully doing as he please on public rangeland without a lease is properly contested.

        http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/nevada/nvdce/2:2012cv00804/87613/35

    • raffaelecafagna

      the courts ?? what courts ; perverts , sold out traitors , corruption = courts.

      • bud

        If you really believe that you should leave this great land.

        • voncile fullwood

          then there would be millions to leave what once was a great land,until some Kenyan came along and ruin it

    • Carolyn VanZorge

      you sound like a nice compliant little guy

      • bud

        If I get a speeding ticket thats not fair I go to court and fight it.If I lose I don’t go home and get people to protect me with their guns.

    • Jefry Tober

      Here is the court case the thieving Bundy lost. he can ranch on his private property and not public rangeland. He brought all of this on himself.

      http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/nevada/nvdce/2:2012cv00804/87613/35

    • voncile fullwood

      the way the Court sees things is they are right and the people are wrong

      • bud

        It’s the system we have and many have died for.If you don’t like it go somewhere else.

        • voncile fullwood

          Obama want let I’ve already tried it he said I could and then lied about it-we have a dirty Government,dirty courts and dirty system…they all lie

  • xeriscapelady

    Wow..this man should be front page news.We ARE ALL slaves with the way this country is being run. Thanks Charlie Delta and thanks for truth from the Black Sphere. And by the way I am a white Republican.

    • voncile fullwood

      Kevin –from the Black Sphere tells it like he sees it

  • SickofPoliticks

    Fantastic! Thank you for telling the truth!!

  • Jefry Tober

    I want to hear from a real hero Rep Hosford rather then a secessionist. Oddly some blacks fought in the south against the north in the 1860′s. As someone that grew up in the deep south southern hospitality can appear gracious while still privately holding onto bigotry.

    http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25336295/rep-horsford-looking-for-solution-to-armed-militia-near-mesquite

    • Travis MacLaren

      So a person who thinks government has gotten too corrupt and too big for it’s britches is now automatically a secessionist? The state militias are a legal constitutional concept to protect the poeple from this very kind of government overreach. They are not there to secede they are there to protect the people… that plus his military service to me equates to more heroism than simply enlisting to fight in whatever war our politicians deem best to suit their own ends…

      • Jefry Tober

        Bundy the mormon is indeed a secessionist along with ex-sherriff Mack that said they would place women in the front to be shot.as is many of the Militia. Not all from the Tea Party supports the Militia’s.

        • John Barnett

          whatever the sheriff said….there were no women and children on the front line of that standoff…watch the video. Yes other ranchers that are forced to pay to graze their cattle will say hes a cheater. Just as every single tax payer whose money goes to other countries and special interests will call a person who doesnt pay their taxes. This is also not all about Bundy himself. BLM was acting militant in the situation. the free speech zone was a kick in the balls to the first amendment. The BLM showed up overly armed and bullied protesters is what cause the militia to show up and keep the peace. yes….keep the peace…because if they were there what would stop the BLM from opening fire on the approaching protesters. Look at occupy wall street. Police were very friendly against unarmed citizens, right?

          • Jefry Tober

            Bundy was used by the Militia as well as not being truthful. I am very well aware of the militarization of our Law Enforcement having its roots in the failed drug war. If you are an American and you lease land you pay for it. It doesn’t matter whether it is county, state, or federal you simply cannot squat anywhere it please you beyond your property line. Simple.

            A lot of our tax dollars go to Israel. Some approve, others don’t.

            Actually according to local press it was Bundy and the Miltia that was militant, and according to national press it was the opposite.

            Consider agree or not Bundy had a lawful court order to remove trespassing cattle. Had he complied with that court order he could have safely removed his cattle onto his private property or leased elsewhere.

            After non compliance it was then an impoundment for trespass and a law enforcement action.

            Consider: Bundy had made publicly threats of violence for years (1998), locally his ideology is well known along with secessionist and Militia theocracy. So it was very necessary to come in with what appears heavy handed.

            I hate defending the BLM in this, but there is a lot of the story then one’s side of the story.

    • SILENTHAMMER

      Rep Horsford (that’s H-o-r-s-f-o-r-d) is worried about tourism? He should be worried about the tyranny of the department of “justice” directed by the “president.” They’re getting more people “visiting” now than they’ve had in the past, oh… 10 years. In addition, the “armed militia” CONFORMS to the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. And I’ll bet these men and women are “well armed” to be exact. The U.S. Administration is after money and control. There’s gold in them thar hills, just ask your buddy Harry Reid and his li’l Rory (And the Chinese, to boot). Naw, pardner, you’re lookin at the real heros, not a bunch of suits who are slaves to money and power.

      • Jefry Tober

        You are wrong on numerous counts. For instance 40 million people visit Nevada annually to see the grand canyon. A coal power plant is being decommissioned and a solar array replaces it. All of Nevada and visitors get cleaner air for that. This is way more complicated then what has been latched upon without complete research.

        18,000 BLM leases and only one Bundy. Talk to ranchers dependent on private land – they will say he is a cheater.

        nevada cattleman’s Association says for Bundy to handle it by court and not by gun.

        • jalina susan stutte

          Jefry Tober you sound like a government paid idiot! If you like big government than by all means move to another country, Cuba, Iran, comes to mind. America is for Freedom from big government and we will take it back. I salute this brave Marine and Mr. Bundy for standing tall. Mr. Bundy only used the “cotton Fields” example as just that a example to wake people up that our government is trying to turn us into mindless sheep depending on the government instead of ourselves. I understood where he was coming from and especially of his age and being a cowboy, he explanation is not politically correct and that is refreshing. For all the left wing idiots out there the Tea Party is made up of all faiths and colors, not just old white people like you try to tell people out there in fairytale land!

          • Jefry Tober

            Please tell me how a small government is going to deal with a commie Russia? I certainly do not support the nanny state. I don’t support the nanny state which is exactly why I looked deeper into the phony Bundy.

            I am not a fan of liars and Bundy is being less then truthful. Talk to ranchers that only have private land to work with and listen to what they have to say.

            Have you read me call or insinuate anyone to be an Idiot? I think not, yet you just did.

            America is based upon the principle of rule of law, so I would say to you – America – love it or leave it.

            First you will go after the feds. Next you will go after your neighbors. And that is exactly why the Tea Party has no traction. If it was just the constitution coupled with ending cronyism I would be a part of the Tea Party which I was originally involved with.

          • patriotgirl

            Why don’t you look and see what a BIG goverment is doing about Russia? I can understand from your know-it-all attitude why the Tea Party would not want you. Rule of law? Where?

  • Jyl Romain

    Semper Fi. Stay safe.

  • Raini Way

    Watch this poor guy catch all kinds of flack from “non-racist” white libtards for being black and conservative.

  • SILENTHAMMER

    Thank You, Sir! You have my support and respect. As does Mr. Bundy.

  • Jefry Tober

    How in the world would anyone think it right for someone to buy (in 1948) a homestead of 160 acres and parlay that into 750,160 acres! That is right his 1100 or so branded, unbranded, and feral cows roam 750,000 acres of public land NOT his private property! It is economically and environmentally unsound to ranch in the desert impossible if not for the fact of inexpensive BLM federal leases when state and private leases are much more expensive. Ask a rancher in states that must rely upon private land – Bundy is out of line and a cheater.

    • CollectItBoss

      Have you read the agreement Bundy wouldn’t sign? It’s insane. Public land is to be used by the public and not just for recreation. The feds should not even be involved in this. It should be a State issue. They use a turtle as an excuse to grab control. Ask ranchers in other states about that. He also said he would pay the leases if the money was going to the State or his County. The big picture here is we are allowing our government to get too big.

      • Jefry Tober

        Land management agencies; USFS & BLM are mandated for Multiple Use which is extraction (grazing, mining, logging), recreation and recreation amenities, and then environment. Historically BLM and USFS heavily tilted to extraction by big (Peabody Coal) and small players (Bundy). In both cases science as shown that ultimately big and small players can mess things up. The agencies are finally catching up to the science and now it appears skewed to you. Trust me there remains plenty of (extraction) exploitation on the lands of our west.

      • MV

        And consider the arbitrary waivers given to liberals – build solar power site – screw the turtles. Rancher is donor to Democrats – grant a waiver. But – if the rancher might be part of the Tea Party, donate to conservatives or similar actions that should be illegal (per Democrats)…then the BLM will choose not to grant any waivers.

        (Consider the wind farms – allowed to kill tens of thousands of birds, including eagles and hawks…..but a petroleum based company can get tens of thousands of dollars of fines PER bird that might get killed on the oil company lands. We don’t have a justice system when things are this arbitrary!

  • broward

    I want to hear Bundy’s view of the Jew
    and would he let his grandchildren marry one?

    • JoseCuervo

      I am wondering ( see using the word wondering will make my next statement ok) if the ones Hitler killed are probably better off dead , I mean… look at the conditions we live in nowadays is like the gulag SMH

  • onlymetaz

    I for one think this man is a hero in many ways! Not just because of his service to our country but because he believes in some thing that all Americans should our rights! Plus he has the guts to stand up for whats right! Who gives a crap if Mr Bundy spoke with or with out the perfect words IT”S HIS RIGHT TO FEEL HIS OWN WAY..Besides statistics back him up They even reported that on the news! which blew me away because they never report some thing that would make OBEYME look bad… Thank you Sir for your wonderful insight and Honesty!

  • Michael Reeves

    A black Marine named Charlie Delta who also wondered if the black family was better under slavery? I’m going to go out on a limb and say this is fake. Real fake. Take a cursory read of what life was like for the typical slave, and the few who were allowed to form families.

    • JoseCuervo

      as a tea partier would say…..let me see his birth certificate and documents proving he is a US Marine

    • jack smith

      Obviously Charlie Delta is a nickname earned in the military. But why do you think a black man couldn’t be named Charlie Delta? You sound a little racist with that

      • Michael Reeves

        Your trolling skills suck, but by odd chance you are serious, where and when did I say a black man could not be named Charlie Delta? Like you said, it is a nickname largely used in the military, and in this case a Marine. Odds are someone didn’t know the name of the man in the picture and used Charlie Delta as it is a plausible name or accepted nickname given the military garb of the individual in the picture.

        How do you define the word racist?

        • jack smith

          So if someone has an opposing view to yours it means they are a troll? That’s an interesting way to defend your malignant thoughts. So is the picture photo shopped too? How could a white racist ever put his arm around a black person and not feel disgusted?

          • Michael Reeves

            No Jack. Let me clear this up, I have no idea what your opinion is because if you shared it, it wasn’t in your reply to me. You asked me why I thought a black man could not be named Charlie Delta, I replied you had to be trolling because in no way shape of form did I say a black man could not be named Charlie Delta, and there is no way in hell you could have gotten that from what I wrote. And no I don’t believe the photo was shopped, I am sure it is a real picture. And I have no idea if Bundy is a racist, don’t know the guy nor have I heard anything from him that would leave me to believe as much. I’ve heard nothing that would lead me to believe Bundy believes we blacks are an inferior race.

            I disagree with everything he’s said thus far, but none of that makes him a racist, rather he is just a guy who has no business in front of a mic. He is a guy who has a twisted world view, and of course a cheat.

            You bring way too much of “you” to these discussions, try being a bit more objective, try reading objectively. It isn’t hard.

    • MV

      I think that the point that both Bundy and his friend Charlie Delta is making is that slavery was bad….but the welfare society has had even worse results. The essence of this point has been far better articulated by Professor Walter Williams, a black professor of economics (Geo. Mason Univ.) – and he is grateful he grew up before the Democrats started pulling the ‘blacks can’t get ahead without government help’ tricks that lead to the breakdown of the family. (And if you disagree with Prof. Williams – you must be a racist!)

      • Michael Reeves

        It is much easier to blame the government rather than a people and their individual family culture. Professor Williams suffers from a bit of confirmation bias in my opinion. As a liberal black American I can assure you there is absolutely no reason or excuse for any of us who are of able body and mind to remain on welfare. It is there to be used as a temporary assistance. Those who rely on it beyond that are to be blamed for their lack of progress in this country rather than a political party. It is stupid to suggest otherwise.

        Unlike Mr. Williams, I grew up during a time when many used welfare and grew dependent on it, the difference for me were two parents who had a work ethic to rival any, two liberals who never once heard a Democrat tell anyone we could not succeed without government help.

      • Jefry Tober

        Nothing provides greater opportunity then a good educational experience. A good mind will go further.

  • Richard Hope

    Bundie means it is better to work than get government money..cotton field was a bad example. Thank you Charlie. Take a cursory read of what life was like before Obama

    • Jefry Tober

      Actually Bundy receives government subsidies for his land and steals public rangeland. If Bundy was Black he would be in jail or dead.

      • JoseCuervo

        Bundy is the epitome of a Welfare Queen.

        • Wayne Ogilvy

          Bundy & family produce food ! What exactly do you provide Jose Cuervo ?

          • JoseCuervo

            Education to internet Nincompoops like you. While you provide just insults and infantile behaviour

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            You my liquored up friend couldn’t educate me on anything except how to run your lips on subjects you know nothing about such as working for a living. Again What do you provide except hot air ?

          • JoseCuervo

            You keep implying I drink when In fact I have told you several times I don’t drink alcohol. Are you mentally challenged or do you have a lack reading comprehension and retentive issues?

            For a person whining about hot air every comment from you on this forum has been an insult to others with no insight on the subject at hand.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            You keep using the screen name of a brand of tequila so by that and your incoherent blathering about subjects you have no knowledge of and claiming to be a conservative when in fact your statements prove otherwise, Leads one to think that like any alcoholic you are in denial and need some help. Can you say Alcoholics Anonymous ? I think a good twelve step program might do you some good !!

          • JoseCuervo

            Listen to your logic… same as a 7 year old. There is a notorious child molester named Wayne Ogilvy… does that make you one? according to your logic.. yes.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            You know Jose, I thought you and I were kinda having a good time bantering back and forth all in good jest, But putting my name in the same sentence as the worst thing in the world {A child molester} Is a little over the top in my opinion !

          • patriotgirl

            Go back to Cloward/Plevens activist school…we can all see you failed the first time.

          • JoseCuervo

            Sorry, I can’t read retardese.

          • JoseCuervo

            Yup, you know everything.. please tell me more oh divine know it all.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            You keep avoiding the original question Jose. Whaaaat Dooo yoouu provide for your fellow American besides liberal arts BS ? Is that slow enough for you to understand ?

          • patriotgirl

            It appears the pot, YOU, are calling the kettle black.

          • JoseCuervo

            Yeah i see you proving it time and time and again with your earlier comments….. keep it up.

          • Jefry Tober

            Not much. Do you know the total beef consumed in the US? Bundy 1100 head (or less by his claims) is entirely insignificant to America’s meat demand. In fact most beef production occurs on private land placing ranchers on private land at serious disadvantage to cattle raised on public lands.

            Desert raised cattle typically weigh at maybe 600 pounds, it is then shipped to feedlots and fattened to around 1200 pounds. It is at that time the cattle are given grains, hormones and antibiotics and I am suggesting that that is not as healthy is good ol’ fashion grass raised beef.

      • Wayne Ogilvy

        If he was black he would be in jail or dead ? I guess Michelle Obama was right about the white house being like a jail then.

        • Jefry Tober

          I am going to suggest many Blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans can appreciate that statement.

      • patriotgirl

        Ok, playing an inciteful race card. Now we all know …

        • Jefry Tober

          I have played no cards and the statement was not intended for people that are not minorities. It is not helpful to distort what another says. If you don’t understand the statement take it to some blacks or Native Americans and run that statement by them.

  • Guest

    1946Congress forms the Bureau of Land Management by combining two existing agencies, the Grazing Service, established in 1934 to administer grazing on public rangelands, and the General Land Office, created in 1812 to oversee disposal of federal lands.1954The Bundy family of Southern Nevada seeks BLM approval to graze livestock on a section of federal land called the “Bunkerville Allotment” along the Virgin River.1966The Bundy family seeks approval of six grazing agreements with the BLM, agreements that could be terminated by the agency after due notice in writing because of default or violation.Early 1990sBLM develops plans to protect the desert tortoise on federal lands in Southern Nevada. Tells Bundy permission to graze his cattle on public lands would depend on tortoise sitings.March 1993Bundy stops paying fees for grazing rights.July 13, 1993BLM sends Bundy a trespass notice on lands now deemed illegal for grazing.January 24, 1994Bundy throws away a BLM order to remove cattle that was left on his dashboard.February 1994Bundy pays grazing fees to Clark County. County returns check, citing lack of jurisdiction.1995BLM issues more trespass notices. Bundy challenges the agency’s authority.
    1997
    Bundy rejects BLM’s invitation to meet.

    • patriotgirl

      And therein lies the problem. The feds were not worried about the desert tortoise when they ( this administration) were going to let the Chinese build 2 solar farms 30 and 100 miles from the Bundy ranch, allegedly to offset some of the equity of our debt. That deal fell through last year, but not before Reid (and others) got his hefty campaign donations from the Chinese billionaire who runs China’s energy corporations. This solar farm would have been the largest in the world. Since the China deal fell through, Al Gore and other big Democratic bundlers now want the land to build their own solar, wind and Geothermal ” farm,” of course subsidized by the American taxpayer. Remember when BO gave millions to Gore to fund the development of n eco-friendly car? Which he allegedly was going to do in Sweden. Have you seen the car? 6 years later? Reid had a senior staffer, Kornze, installed as the BLM Director. A 35-year old with no land management education or experience..against prerequisits for that job requiring a minimum of. 20 years experience. Kornze is merely Harry Reids thug, as Reid is BO’s. Land grabbing to line their own pockets and those of their cronies.

  • Jefry Tober

    Cliven Bundy has been less then truthful to the American public. This is a complex issue and it is not helped by left and right wing pundits not doing due diligence in their fact checking. Cliven Bundy does a disservice to the Tea Party and conservatives of this nation. “Guest” you are correct. It appears we are both using the same local source for timeline.

    1946 Congress forms the Bureau of Land Management by combining two existing agencies, the Grazing Service, established in 1934 to administer grazing on public rangelands, and the General Land Office, created in 1812 to oversee disposal of federal lands.

    1954 The Bundy family of Southern Nevada seeks BLM approval to graze livestock on a section of federal land called the “Bunkerville Allotment” along the Virgin River.

    1966 The Bundy family seeks approval of six grazing agreements with the BLM, agreements that could be terminated by the agency after due notice in writing because of default or violation.

    Early 1990sBLM develops plans to protect the desert tortoise on federal lands in Southern Nevada. Tells Bundy permission to graze his cattle on public lands would depend on tortoise sitings.

    March 1993 Bundy stops paying fees for grazing rights.

    July 13, 1993 BLM sends Bundy a trespass notice on lands now deemed illegal for grazing.

    January 24, 1994 Bundy throws away a BLM order to remove cattle that was left on his dashboard.

    February 1994 Bundy pays grazing fees to Clark County. County returns check, citing lack of jurisdiction.

    1995 BLM issues more trespass notices. Bundy challenges the agency’s authority.

    1997 Bundy rejects BLM’s invitation to meet.

    November 3, 1998 U.S. District Court for Nevada orders Bundy to remove his livestock from the Bunkerville allotment of federal land before Nov. 3, 1998. He also is ordered to pay trespass damages to the government.

    April 2008 BLM notifies Bundy that if he doesn’t remove his livestock and fencing from public lands, the government would do it and charge him the costs.

    May 2008: Bundy tells BLM he will do whatever is necessary to protect his “unalienable forage, water and access rights.”

    June 8, 2011 BLM sends trespass notice to Bundy.

    July 2011 BLM notifies Bundy his livestock continues to graze on federal land and the cattle may be impounded and sold.

    April 2012 Department of Interior offers to gather and ship the cattle for sale, with Bundy getting the money. Bundy rejects the offer.

    2013 BLM officials say they would not use their impound authority because of concern the situation could escalate.

    July 9, 2013 U.S. District Court for Nevada finds that Bundy not only has failed to comply with the court’s 1998 order to remove cattle from the Bunkerville Allotment, but that he also is now grazing livestock on “a broad swath of additional public lands” without approval.

    The court further finds that Bundy has caused “irreparable harm” by allowing his cattle to damage the public lands.

    Bundy argues that the federal court lacks jurisdiction because the United States does not own the public lands in question. U.S. District Judge Lloyd George notes that in the 1998 ruling the court found that “the public lands in Nevada are the property of the United States because the United States has held title to those public lands since 1848, when Mexico ceded the land to the United States.”

    The court rejects Bundy’s motion to dismiss the case and permanently enjoins him from trespassing on the public lands in question. He is given 45 days to remove his livestock. If he fails to comply, the government is authorized to seize and remove his cattle.

    September 2013 BLM sends Bundy a list of his cattle seen on public lands. He is billed almost $330,000 in trespassing and investigation fee.

    October 8, 2013 U.S. District Court for Nevada finds that in spite of its July order, Bundy continues to graze his cattle illegally on public lands. The court also states that Bundy’s objections to the government’s actions are “without merit.”

    U.S. District Judge Larry Hicks gives the government authority to enforce the July order and permanently prohibits Bundy from trespassing on the former Bunkerville Allotment.

    March 19, 2014 Bureau of Land Management issues notice of intent to remove “unauthorized livestock” from 13 specific allotments in Clark County.

    March 27, 2014 The Department of the Interior through the BLM publishes notice in the Federal Register of the planned temporary closure of certain public lands in Southern Nevada to allow the impoundment of livestock grazing illegally on the lands.

    April 5, 2014 BLM begins impoundment and removal of Bundy’s livestock from public lands as authorized in two U.S. District court orders.

    April 12, 2014 With armed Bundy supporters massing near Bunkerville, BLM Director Neil Kornze announces decision to conclude the gathering of cattle from federal lands and to return corralled cattle to the rancher.

    • jack smith

      Do you have anything better to do today other than spew? This article must bother you an awful lot. Are you being paid?

      • JoseCuervo

        What is wrong with a person pointing out the facts? Falsehoods should bother you not a person pointing out things that are already documented.

      • Jefry Tober

        Sir. I am being calm and truthful. A rational person could hardly phrase that as spew. I am not being paid. I do not like manufactured lies to sway the American public by tomfoolery. Bundy has not told the entire story. Most are reliant upon talking points and soundbites. I am not.

        If you can correct me by fact and link please do. If you review my posts I have provided you with plenty of links that you can investigate and form your own opinion.

        • patriotgirl

          And you sir are not telling the WHOLE story either, just the government’s side. The feds own 81% of Nevada at present. Your inference to the feds acquiring this land in 1848 as land ceded to the USG by Mexico. You forgot the part where the feds ceded it to its citizens to form the State of Nevada, as well as other states. The feds have been slowly retrieving that land under the guise of Acts, such as endangered species, energy, etc. in furtherment of their own political conquests. If we use your premise, there is no rule of law when it comes to personal property rights or state sovereignty.

          • Jefry Tober

            Your statement is inaccurate and incorrect. Start with Nevada’s constitution.

            What are you projecting my premise to be? I respect private property. IF MR Bundy respected private property he would raise all of his cows on his private land. Mr Bundy is a socialist. Mr Bundy cannot simply take land. He started with 160 acres that is his real properyy. How many acres do you want to give him?

            In 1998 Clark County, Nevada bought the lease. Bundy reneged on his lease in 1993. Big mistake on his behalf.

    • Tunes59

      I see nothing here to suggest the government is culpable when they have acted in a manner which not only violates the letter but also the spirit of federal law. Much of what the BLM has done is in the form of rule making which is only the purview of congress. Much of the blame for executive branch over reach is on the shoulders of congress for abdicating their constitutionality mandated role as the legislative branch.

      Then beyond this many of the actions by departments and agencies of the executive branch done in the name of protection have resulted in lands being taken from the public and turned over to big money donors who made huge profits.

      Just because laws / rules are passed to make an action legal doesn’t mean they are right. Most of what Hitler did was legal. Doesn’t make it right.

      • Jefry Tober

        The Nevada Cattleman’s Association does not agree with Mr Bundy’s tactics at all. Many BLM lease holders (18,000) do not agree with Bundy.

        You are not forced to graze on public lands, in fact most ranching is done on private land. BLM leases are the cheapest compared to county, state or private. Cheap leases with rules. You don’t like the rules take it to your own private land. Kinda simple but very true.

        • Michelle

          The bigger issue is why does the federal government feel it is okay to put snipers on an old man for not paying grazing fees? This doesn’t trouble you? Why does the federal government own 80% of Nevada? Why is Harry Reid trying to make sweetheart deals for the enrichment of him and his son Rory, using federal lands? And why are you such a bootlicker that you put tyranny above your fellow citizens? I bet you would sell your own mother out to the feds if it made King Barry and his jester Harry, happy.

          • Jefry Tober

            You have anger issues. I will wait to discuss issues with rational people.

        • Tunes59

          Wow! Completely ignore everything I posted. Instead you change the subject and attack Bundy. You must be a Alinskyite liberal.

          • Jefry Tober

            18,000 BLM leases and only one whiney white Mormon seccesionist. No one is forced to lease public land. Bundy can keep all the cows he wants on his private property. Bundy may not claim 153,000 acres of public land and take it as his on. Pretty simple, huh?

            Accusations are not worth comment. I go by facts, while you go by anger some of it being misplaced and mischaracterized by a lying fraud named Cliven Bundy.

    • reggiec

      mmmmmm methinks you may be a BLM troll. How else did you get all that information? Do you have all the documents to back up all those statements? If so where did you get them?

      • Jefry Tober

        I am very interested in issues of the western states. I live in the west. I am not exactly a fan of the BLM & USFS.

        When I first learned of this issue I was curious because I am aware of Land Management Planning documents for BLM and USFS.
        1) First I went to Office of Clark County and reviewed documentation regarding land management in Clark County.
        2) Second I went to the Sate of Nevada and reviewed it’s land issues.
        3) I then went to BLM Southern District Office and reviewed thier land management plans.
        4) I then went to Bundy’s web page and reviewed their issues.
        5) I then looked at Nevada conservation groups to see what the local on the ground issues were.
        6) I then went to local print and media news to see what was being reported locally in Nevada avoiding national reportage.
        7) I also went to the Nevada Cattle Association and reviewed their press release.
        8) I also went to sites of the Moapa Indian reservation, and Paiute & Shoshone.

        That is basic fact checking. I avoided right or left wing blogs etc. Many of the conspiracies from Bundy’s camp have been debunked.

  • richardcancemi

    The has no honor, no conscience, no sense of morality. They are rotten to the core and so are their ideas. They are the cancer cells in the heart of America and are killing the USA.

    • Jefry Tober

      That is a pretty bigoted statement there fella!

      • richardcancemi

        I apologize.for not being clear as to the object of my statement. I was so angry I forgot to say “The LEFT”! And it is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And… the truth contains no bigotry.

        • Jefry Tober

          That remains a bigoted statement. America is 315 million or so citizens. America has a variety of ideologies, and that is what makes America great and dynamic.

          Contributing to polarization of America is not healthy for this nation. It would be very boring to be either all left or all right.

          • Michelle

            Your sophistry is pallid, Jefry. The left supports tyranny, this also includes Republicans that are “progressive” and anyone who supports tyranny and the subjugation of others for political purposes has NO honor, NO conscience and NO sense of morality. The inability or the lack of intestinal fortitude of Americans to call out evil for what it is, and yes, I meant to say EVIL, is why America is in the position it is in…Freedom has to be guarded from tyrants even if that means standing up and calling it like it is.

          • Jefry Tober

            I am a libertarian not left. Your cheap shots are inaccurate and unwarranted.

            Bundy is a cheap welfare rancher. He needs to ranch on private land. Ask a rancher on private land they will know he is whiner.

          • Michelle

            Interesting and very telling….standing up for liberty is a cheap shot…By your rationalization..it is okay to deal with “whiners” by sending out federal snipers….you are a fool. You are NOT a real libertarian or you would be standing for liberty. You talk about cheap shots…every comment you have posted on this forum is in an attempt to cheapen liberty and promote tyranny. Since you feel that Cliven is a whiny welfare rancher….I guess you advocate putting snipers on welfare recipients that squat in empty HUD(government) houses? You are for the government bullying anyone but you and yours.

          • Jefry Tober

            The facts are federal snipers were not sent out. Yes that law enforcement impoundment looked pretty militarized based upon real threats since 1998.

            I advocate Mr Bundy to graze on private land. Seems like the American way to me.

            Please don’t put words in my mouth, you discredit yourself by doing that.

            It is pretty silly that you can’t disagree with a liar named MR Bundy and then all of the sudden you are some form of asleep sheep.

          • reggiec

            And your excuse for a fenced “Free Speech area”? The whole of our nation is a free speech area. A no fly zone so no one could see the killing of cattle and ripping out infrastructure that was not authorized by the cattle removal order? Orders to some to fire on anyone that attempted to free the cattle? No prerequisite that those freeing the cattle had to be armed: just attempting to free the cattle? The latter was documented on video by the reporter that acted as a go between BLM and the protesters.
            BLM acted like thugs.

          • Jefry Tober

            Just because I know that Bundy has manufactured his story by lie does not mean that the BLM was in the wrong.

            Bundy had made threats since 1998, and nobody is a fool regarding that some want to start a war with the feds. The BLM had to come prepared for what has occurred these last twenty years. Uh the Bundy tension is real locally. Local support for Bundy is not unanimous not by any stretch.

            I disagree with both sides.

          • Steve

            You write as if no one should graze on public land? That is an idiotic waste of renewable resources twice fold. first in the loss of cattle production as a food source in a world of over 7 billion and secondly as a loss of revenue to our gov’t from leases not in question.

          • Jefry Tober

            There are 18,000 BLM leases and only ONE Bundy not paying his lease.

          • Steve

            Once again I am left having to educate the dim witted as to what their post said. Quoting you: “Bundy is a cheap welfare rancher. He needs to ranch on private land. Ask a rancher on private land they will know he is whiner.” First you say Bundy is ‘a’ cheap welfare rancher. Implying what, that ranchers using public land are welfare ranchers as opposed to the ranchers on private land. You then say he needs to ranch on private land, why? You are the one who set up the juxtaposition of ranching on private -good, and ranching on public land- welfare bad.

          • Jefry Tober

            Nope I did not say that. 18,000 BLM leases and one lying Bundy.

          • reggiec

            52 of them driven off their ranches in Nevada by “constantly changing” BLM regulations that made it impossible to continue to make a living ranching.

          • Jefry Tober

            Not exactly true. I have seen the grazing allotment maps for Gold Butte. There is only about 6 and under 10 allotments.

            I am still researching this. However no one has asked Mr Bundy to prove any of his assertions.

            I do know that Mr Bundy has the only case of rabid cow in Nevada’s history

      • reggiec

        The left have abandoned the “Liberal” label because it was associated with too many of their failed policies. They then became Progressives which is just another term for Socialist.

        Like: “We have to spread the wealth around”

        Socialism can be described as any of various theories or
        systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. Or, the stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between the free market and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

        The nation is divided because many in America have decided the gradual slide into Socialism has become a stampede and we want to reverse the stampede.

        Bigotry is when one side demands that all others subscribe to their beliefs and any opposition is crushed with false accusations of racism.

        Conservatives want to abide by the Constitution as written and intended. The left attempts to circumvent its original meanings.

        Thomas Jefferson said, in 1823,
        “On every question of construction, carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit
        manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”

        James Madison:
        “Do not separate text from historical background. If you do,
        you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.” …

  • Idaho Bob

    “Bottom line is that we are all slaves in this waning republic, no matter our skin color”. This Marine has it right. The usurpers in the White House and in Congress want all of us subservient to them. Molon labe.

  • Kathleen Lazare

    I couldn’t agree with you more. Bundy is too busy working and taking care of his family and others to become politically correct (touchy touchy feel good) in his commentaries. This is one time that the Fox guys and gals are wrong

  • loran

    Will some please explain to me how we let this ill advised tactic of the DOJ morph into a huge story about RACISM. I’ve seen the video in it’s entirety and I saw no evidence of racism. I heard Mr. Bundy’s use of the negro, but so what. This is the word and culture this man grew up in. When I was growing up in the 1960′s, that is the term we used also. We intended no disrespect when used. Now I see those who want to continue the story of racism for purely political reasons are now trying to convince folks that this black man is a phony. Just how far are you willing to take this? All the way to the November elections? There truly is no more common sense and morality left in this nation.

    • patriotgirl

      I guess you answered your own question. You are correct, this is merely a distraction strategy so that we become so enmeshedin the race argument that we forget the USG is land grabbing.

    • Michelle

      What is more intriguing is that a “conservative”, Glenn Beck, led the way to make this story about racism. This so-called conservative fanned the fire of this story and gave it major legs. Glenn Beck pulled the race card on Cliven Bundy and protected Harry Reid. How is THAT for a paradigm shift?

      • Steve

        What is more intriguing is that you keep reposting the same dang thing over and over. No paradigm shift in that leftwing tactic.

      • jack smith

        He never protected Harry Reid. And he never called Cliven a racist. He basically said this guy was a moron who didn’t think about what he was saying

      • loran

        Yes, I’m well aware of what he and even Sean Hannity have done with this incident. Of course Bill O’Reilly chimed in with his narcissistic thoughts. O’Reilly is the one huge reason I quit watching FNC back when he labeled me a Bible Thumper. That was a hard decision for me to make because I liked Laura Ingraham and Miss Ham. I vigorously disagree with both Beck and Hannity, but they do have the constitutional right to their opinions and their stance will not effect my listening to them. We can disagree. They are after all, conservatives widely respected.

  • LazyOldMan

    If you think that Africans had it bad in the south of the United States maybe you should find out how their fellow slaves were treated in Brazil and South America. The slaves in the united states lived as a family. Some even had guns and that is hard to believe.

    As they had to hunt for their own food. The slave owner was not allowed to free a slave that became disabled, old or unfit to work.

    The slaves that went to other countries were treated much worse.

    Do you really believe that any white man left the ship to go inland to trap a slave? Or just buy a slave at the dock?

    • Oldtex

      The slavers sailed inland water ways to camp compounds and dealt with native contractors. Rumor has it that Beck has a large wind sock outside of his studio, so he can see which way the wind blows. That is to say that he is wish washy. Alex Jones has also made these observations about Beck.

      • LazyOldMan

        How many negros served in the confederate forces?
        Around 1860, how many negro slaves were there in the united states of those what percentage actually were tortured?
        At the same time how was people treated in institutions like prisons, orphanages and insane alyssums?

  • Michelle

    What is intriguing is that a “conservative”, Glenn Beck, led the way to make this story about racism. This so-called conservative fanned the fire of this story and gave it major legs. Glenn Beck pulled the race card on Cliven Bundy and protected Harry Reid. How is THAT for a paradigm shift?

    • Idaho Bob

      It’s hard to know who to trust in this era of propaganda from all sides. Interestingly, there might be some legs to the fact that GB has four “former” FBI agents advising him.

    • jack smith

      Maybe GB isn’t who the media says he is then

      • sandraleesmith46

        That too. Mormons are a bit like Muslims in some respects: that’s one of them… Mormon 1st, then other considerstions.

    • sandraleesmith46

      Maybe Mormon Beck didn’t get the memo that the Mormon church excommunicated FORMER Mormon Reid… They do tend to watch each other’s backs against ALL others, regardless of the circumstances.

    • janmil200

      I agree, Michelle. Glenn was the one to pull the race card. He is only concerned about the elections and is anticipating how the left will spin it and is losing his focus on the truth in his desperation to win in Nov. He needs to ease up on trying to manage and control everything. A little more humility and trust in God might serve him well..

  • Jefry Tober

    Glen Beck runs cattle he knows that MR Bundy is a fraud.

    • Steve

      Oh that’s funny, a left wing nutter using Beck as a source of credibility.

      • Jefry Tober

        I thought Glenn was a nutter, I didn’t know he was left wing.

        • Steve

          Now I need to educate you on how to understand simple, clear English. I said: “Oh that’s funny, a left wing nutter using Beck as a source of credibility.” Clearly I said that the person using Beck is the left wing nutter. The irony, the funny part, is the leftist, you, using a supposed right winger as your credible source when in all other cases concerning Beck you would be attempting to ridicule him.

      • Oldtex

        Think Tober is being sarcastic?

        • Steve

          Not a chance. Tober isn’t nearly bright enough to use sarcasm even half that well. Besides, read his initial post in this thread; “Glen Beck runs cattle he knows that MR Bundy is a fraud.” Beck does not live on a cattle ranch. Beck didn’t grow up on a ranch. He owns one. Owning a ranch as an investment and being a hands on rancher are as far apart as Dems and Repubs. Did you notice Tober doesn’t cite any personal experience with cattle, just what he’s heard from others such as Beck. I’ll ask Fuzzy, one of my Highlander cows, if she thinks Beck is a real rancher. I’ll get just as good an answer as anything Tober could come up with.

    • pysco

      Glen Beck bought a few cows that does not make him a rancher, he came from Sacramento, Ca.

  • Idaho Bob

    The only thing GB runs is his mouth. Hardly a rancher by any stretch of the imagination.

    • Steve

      How many head of cattle does Bundy have? Do you know? What are the prerequisites in your mind that Bundy doesn’t meet to be a “rancher”? Or is it that you simply don’t like him because he runs his mouth too much?

      • Idaho Bob

        Comment had nothing to do with Bundy. To my knowledge, though, he has approx. 900 head. That would make him a rancher. Glen Beck is whom I was referring. I think he runs his mouth to much and not cattle as positioned below.

        • Steve

          Sorry , my mistake on the GB vs Bundy nomenclature. I looked for Bundy’s cattle herd numbers and couldn’t find any on the internet. I am a boy at heart sometimes and wish I could have been a rancher back home in N Dakota. But on my small hobby farm I have had the pleasure to keep 8 – 10 head of Highland Angus. This, at least, gives me a taste of caring for a few cows, a bull and a few calves each year. Not the real thing but not pets either and enough to give a fella a hint about what a real ranch would be like.

          • Idaho Bob

            Right there with you. We raise sheep and steers, but not enough to be considered a sheepherder or a rancher.

          • Steve

            Cool.
            Good luck to you, Idaho Bob.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Good beef cattle, and yes a taste, but better insight than those who’ve never dealt with any!

          • Steve

            Thank you.

    • Oldtex

      Bob if he has managed to hold out to be the last of 53, how do you explain his survival as a rancher and a strategist ?

      • sandraleesmith46

        Beck is a media personality; Bundy is the rancher.

        • LazyOldMan

          Please correct my mathematics.
          Was there 51 other beef ranchers neighbors of the Bundy ranch or farm forced out of the beef business?
          51 beef growers times (x) 900 cows times 2,000 pounds of beef per cow is or equals a lot of beef times other farms or ranches now out of business makes the beef cost more to me at a store?
          Or am I wrong.
          Did actions like putting ranches and farmers out of business be related to the price of beef to me?
          Maybe if I had food stamps, I could get all the beef that I want and have enough left over to buy some gas.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Other than you missed a couple of ranches, you pretty much nailed it!

  • http://www.buzzcreek.com/ me3tv

    I think Bundy has a weak case about the land but BLM should look at a hundred other options before swat teams! Plus, The discussion of state jurisdiction needs to be opened. BLM and feds controlling 85 percent of a state seems out of line. Bundy’s poorly worded diatribe has led to distractions over the bullying nature of the feds. It is a fact of life, the race industrial complex has product to sell and any opportunity is fair game.

    • pysco

      The whole thing was a smoke screen to get Bundy off the land so Reid could give control of the land to the Communist Chinese to build a solar power plant, which means they would control a power grid on American property, to me that would be a traitorous act.

      • puglianana

        It is his son, who wants the land. Heard it a couple of times on the radio.

  • PATRIOT.WW48

    Thx for your input Marine. :-) Glenn Beck is a Mealy-Mouthed, Candy-A$$, Panty-Waist, Light-in-the-Loafers lovin’ pile of DUNG. I sure am glad he and his Quisling types weren’t around in oh, say the Mid 1770″s.

    • Jefry Tober

      Glenn Beck has referred to himself as a rodeo clown, yet he seems like a nice Mormon.

      • puglianana

        nice, just confused.

    • sandraleesmith46

      They were, we call them “tories”!

  • Moderated2

    Thank you for your statement.

    I could immediately see the left-wing media was out pushing the race-card once again, that is what they do, anyone not walking in lock step gets smeared.

  • Jefry Tober

    Mr Bundy lied to the American people. He stated he had an ancestral right. He implied that his family homesteaded around Gold Butte. When the truth is Cliven parents bought the land in 1948. Cliven’s parents first started running cattle on public land in 1954. Cliven was born in Arizona.

    Today Cliven owns a 160 acre spread with water rights along the Virgin River, he has some of the best melons in the state on his land. Mr Bundy keeps some cows for his own use on his land and they are well grazed in nice grass (in the spring). The majority of the cows never see the verdant valley grass in newscast videos instead they are in the desert.

    I just wish Cliven would be truthful because this discredits those that are working on states rights issues.

    • pysco

      Document your statement, until you do that you have no more credibility than the NY Times.

    • Carolyn VanZorge

      i wish that bozo would be truthful -

      • Jefry Tober

        Me too! Mr Bundy is quiet a deceitful card!

        • Chandie Bartell

          Please explain how Cliven Bundy is deceitful?

          • Jefry Tober

            An example would be his claim that he attempted to pay Clark County. Clark County has never taken payments and never will. Clark County, Nevada bought the Bunkerville allotment in 1998 and permanently retired the allotment.

          • Wayne Ogilvy

            If Clark county bought it and retired it, What in the hell right do the fed’s have on it ?

          • Jefry Tober

            Clark County bought the lease after Bundy allowed the lease to have no signatory starting in 1993. The Bunkerville allotment is part of land management planning of Clark County. Clark County did not buy the land.keep in mind that Cliven Bundy had paid the BLM for the lease prior to 1993. So apparently at the time he recognized the validity of the federal government and the BLM.

          • Guest

            In Clark County land management plans it states that the land is being used by Clark County for other purposes.

          • Jefry Tober

            Look up Clark County, Nevada land management plans. The County wants to use that public land for other purposes.

          • Jefry Tober

            The BLM was sued to finally remove the cattle.

    • Chandie Bartell

      Jefry Tober, The Bundy Family DID not lie about their Pioneer heritage in Nevada! His family is Morman, and the ranch came down through his grandmother’s side of the family who settled there in the 1870′s. I will try to post the complicated history, but it saddens me that people are so quick to call the Bundy Family “untruthful” when they haven’t researched the main-stream media propaganda and “lies” thoroughly or just asked the Bundy Family themselves.

      • Jefry Tober

        Thank you Chandie. It is possible that every story has a bit of truth what you and I say. I don’t doubt that the Bundy family goes way back around Bunkerville. From what I have attempted to learn locally these are my links.

        Records: Bundy ancestors were farmers, not full-time ranchers
        http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come-under-scrutiny

        Records: Bundy ancestors were farmers, not full-time ranchers
        http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25341271/historical-accounts-bundy-ancestors-were-farmers-but-not-full-time-ranchers

        TIMELINE: History of land dispute between Cliven Bundy and the BLM – Las Vegas MyNews3 – KSNV
        http://www.mynews3.com/mostpopular/story/TIMELINE-History-of-land-dispute-between-Cliven/PNXsX3XL3UuTzi7_oHdqKA.cspx

        There is more from mesquite local news and the registaer Journal in Las Vegas.

        Being as the Bundys are Mormons I know that they have excellent genoloical records. That will matter, with that documented genology then checks against government records such as deeds etc can provide the complete record for the preemptive rights claim. It would be helpful to prove the claim to the court of public opinion, but in the end the final end of living room banter is the rule of law – court.

        I have looked for those answers at the various Bundy facebook sites and the Bundy family blog. I just encourage the Bundy’s it is to thier benefit to get that FACTUALLY posted. Too many missteps can just put an end to state rights claims.

        There are two tracks I would suggest:
        1) The real BLM leases and signatures. because as I understand the lease holder is the individuals signature.
        2) Pre BLM records, historic photos, etc. You got to prove that Bundy cattle ran on that specific Bunkerville allotment. The registered brands would be important.

        I can assure you that there was no intention that one could make a homestead land grant claim and bloat out and become the defacto owner of thousands of acres. As you know the Bunkerville allotment is around 153,000 acres. That is a lot of land to take over a homestead of under 320 acres.

        A question I would like to ask is what are your thoughts on Clark County, Nevada buying the lease in 1998. Does the Bundy’s not recognize local government?

        I am interested in your thoughts and love links! Thank you.

        • Chandie Bartell

          There are two things going on here. One: The “media” wants to discredit the Bundy Family to kill this movement. Two: It really doesn’t matter when the Bundy Family or any of their ancestors moved into Clark County, Nevada because when Cliven Bundy purchased his ranch, he also purchased the water rights and grazing rights that came with that land. When you purchase a ranch near BLM or USFS land you also get the water and grazing rights that came with that property. Those grazing leases are passed onto the new “owner.” This is also protected under NEPA the law that the federal agencies “ignored” and broke. NEPA protects the Custom, Culture, and Heritage of every citizen in that county.

          The BLM “broke” the NEPA law by not following it in Clark County, NV in this example by listing a species of animal that was used to attempt to take away that specific “individuals” ability to graze and “use” those water and grazing rights. In 1971 Congressmen enacted into law the NEPA law to protect citizens in every County from wayward radical environmentalism.

          What Cliven Bundy’s family doesn’t know or didn’t do is “force” the federal agencies to coordinate with them and the County under NEPA. If the Federal Government had coordinated with the the County, all 52 ranching neighbors of Cliven’ Bundy’s would still be ranching.

          *The law is not on the Federal Government’s side. The Law was broken and ignored by the Federal Goverment as the ignored and broke Nepa.

          Unfortunately the Bundy Family doesn’t know about County Coordination and this is something all rural citizens need to become educated about.

          Now getting back to number one: The media wants to discredit the Cliven Bundy Family. They are going to twist the facts to protect the Federal Government. The only media that is not owned and operated by Soros and corporations that work for the Federal Government are independent news-streams. Everybody has become their own researcher on the internet to find the facts on issues, and people out West understand real well how the agencies have broken the law to destroy the timber industry, mining, ranching, farming, even the hunting industries and recreational mult-use.

          So to try and attempt to label the Cliven Bundy Family as lying about their Pioneer Heritage is another red herring like the race-card that was coordinated between the White House and the NY Times and CNN to destroy the “movement” of getting control of these federal lands in our W. States.

          The Cliven Bundy Family tree was not thoroughly researched by the media and they left out their grandmother’s side of the family.

          Instead of posting it Ryan Bundy talks about it in this interview last friday at their ranch: Please watch!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLC9oDHUaYI&feature=youtu.be

  • sandraleesmith46

    As Charlie Delta said, and so have both Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell, 2 more black men, this IS enslavement, and not only blacks! We’re all victims of this bloated, diseased behemouth that was intended to work FOR us, but snatched the bit in its teeth in 1870, and has been a runaway since, ignoring the voice and will of we the people, buying compliance with bribes, also known as “entitlements”!

  • http://www.facebook.com/sstephaniew stephanie wilson

    forgive me Lord, i assumed he WAS a racist! i feel like a freaking moron!

  • silvernotes

    Thank you “Charlie Delta”…your comments were right on target

  • HappyG

    Considering that Obamacare was designed to make proud Americans go ‘hat in hand’ to the government to help pay for insurance they had previously proudly paid for themselves, is there any question that both Bundy and this Marine have a point…For fifty years our government has used the same tactics as common drug pushers who frontload freebies to entrap their victims for life…and despite the propaganda and spin, we are far worse off for it…

  • CountryBoy

    I thought that I was the only one that felt the way that he does….

  • Tutu

    Well said. I fully agree with you. You have to know where he is coming from. He is a farmer not an ivy league orator who talks out of both sides of their mouth. He is simple saying what he has experienced concerning how the government has crippled so many people both black, white and brown by handouts. True widows and orphans should be helped. But, to have 46 million folks on food stamps shows that something is badly wrong. We cannot keep borrowing and spending and leaving it to the next generations to pay off. That is truly immoral.

  • CoosaTotah9

    Thanks to C.D.. I knew what Cliven was trying to say the first time I heard him and it turned my stomach to hear Beck and others try to make it out to be racist.

    I think Beck was just trying to cover his own backside, again, because he (Beck) has had this story all wrong from the beginning and refused to back Cliven.

    I use to really like Beck, but, his “Truth has no agenda” is developing an “agenda of propaganda” covering his own backside.

    • Farmgirl

      Yes, I agree. I’m disappointed he made his agenda to refute the people who were angry with him.. He’s not doing his own research now because he’s spreading himself too thin. He’s hard to pass information to, and he’s lost his edge… Maybe like ALOT of us, he’s just burned out. There is too much going on right now, you have to keep your eyes open for the truth…

  • fromkathyyoung@gmail.com

    He gets it! God bless him for THINKING.

  • Guest

    Thanks TBS, for continued support for rancher Bundy. Noticed and total surprised that my best friends on FoxNews are running like scalded dogs. When things begin to get hotter we’ll see the colors fading on more.
    Yes, there are feds hiding like lice on a rat among the ranks, just don’t jump for any border-line, stuped acts suggested by questionable faces.

  • Wayne

    I agree with this Marine, I read the actual transcript, not the edited garbage that the papers put out. He’s correct in what he says, Cliven Bundy is an old man who was raised to speak truth, before all the PC garbage.

  • darnash

    I am so disappointed with Glen Beck and Sean Hannity and Rand Paul that they had the audacity not to really investigate before making comments. This makes me not trust them.

  • Juan_Freeman

    Thank you CD for your service and for standing with another brave American. My guess is that if the divisive sentiment takes hold and Mr. Bundy is isolated, then Harry Reid’s threat will come to fruition. I pray daily for his strength, his family and for those directly involved in this conflict. May God bless all of your richly.

  • DRLJR

    When one looks at what Mr Bundy actually stated one can see the cold hard truth. And all people, especially minority, need to remember what the agenda of “Progressives” actually is. They should look at Margaret Sanger’s real history and what she wanted. And look at what “Progressives” like Woodrow Wilson did.

    • Clint

      Man o man, do the folks need to be aware of this truth. If they don’t believe Cliven Bundy, and for the sake of their own sanity, they don’t need to ride through our town in Alabama. I am well aware that exposing the fact that I live in Alabama makes me suspect as a white supremacist, I am not. I don’t however, go around with my eyes closed either. There is a lot more truth in the facts of what Cliven Bundy is saying, than what is in the reactions of the non-racists, like Beck, Hannity, Huckabee are reacting too. It seems that every time I think that there are people who really understand what is going on at the grassroots, I am sorely disappointed. Thanks Sean, Beck and Huck, for disappointment. Real Men with backbone are indeed hard to find.

      • DRLJR

        That is why I point out these items in the appropriate places. And I am just discussing a minor amount of the “Progressives” agenda. I also do my best not to react emotionally when attacked, which sometimes happens, since the “Progressives” want an emotional response to occur so they can use to discredit the information.

  • emjay98

    Thank goodness for your observant understanding of Cliven Bundy’s remarks that have gained him so much attention as a racist. I was really upset with Hannity, and tonight Huckabee, for their misunderstanding of what Cliven was saying. He was concerned for those people and was actually commiserating with them. At least that was my impression. I do appreciate your perspective on Bundy’s words.

    • Juan_Freeman

      emjay98, I suspect your emotional response is shared by many. May I encourage you a bit? The salvation of our great nation does not depend upon Hannity, Huckabee or any others whose depth of understanding fails. Rather it depends upon men and women standing against the enemies within and from without. Stay the course; when and where those who have missed it here or in other areas, move on (or turn them off). When they stand with us, appreciate their effort. Above all, don’t be distracted and do what you can, for there is no one else capable of performing that job.

    • Clint

      You got to remember that folks who orbit with the likes of Hannity and Huckabee may think they understand ordinary folks, but they don’t.

  • frank thecrank

    This race baiting and class warfare has got to stop before their are no individual rights left. We are all in this together if our freedoms mean anything at all. Am so tired of politicians pitting one against another just for votes.

    • Suzzy

      I’m with you all the wAy.. SeAn And all you others that think he is a racist stick it…where the sun don’t shine.. Semper Fi
      From a Patriotic Farm, girl that grew up ranching cows.. Mr. Bundy you go.. Your awesome in my book.

    • Clint

      Ain’t we all. It must be time for bed. My spellcheck keeps reminding me that ain’t, ain’t a proper word. Spellcheck just ain’t been in the south or it would know that you can’t get along without ain’t.

      • frank thecrank

        spell-check was designed by a liberal , go figure.

        • Clint

          I can believe that.

      • David in Dallas

        (OT) Actually, “ain’t” is a proper word, but it is almost always misused. Used properly, it is the contraction for “am not”, so “I ain’t” is correct, but “he ain’t” or “you ain’t”, etc. are not.

        • Clint

          Thank you professor David in Dallas. I am relieved. Here I thought I had been speaking ungrammatical language all my life, now I find out that I’m not as ignorant as I thought. What a relief. I guess I’ll just have to try harder. ;<)

        • Clint

          I recently had cataract surgery and last week I went for my 1 week post/op checkup. During my exam my Medical Doctor said to me, “ain’t you doing great”, and I had to agree with her. Her specialty is medicine, not the proper use of the English language. She is a good Doctor.

  • Mark McDonald

    thank you Semper Fidelis

  • richbach

    One jarhard to another, I will stand with you and any other patriot. Being a Vietnam era veteran I believe that it is time for those of us that are actual patriots that took the time out of our lives to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic to do what the folks did back in the 1700′s. Those folks would have been hanged if the British had their way during the Revolution. 17 TRILLION in debt and another 90 TRILLION in unfunded mandates that can never be paid off. I would like to know where the hell all this “money” is coming from?

    • Pam E.

      Thank you sir for your service to our country.

    • Clint

      That’s just it. It is not going to come from anywhere. You know what happens when one owes someone and can’t pay. Let’s just say that it is not pleasant. Thanks for your service Jarhead. My first duty station out of boot in 1961, was Camp Pendleton, Ca. I found out that I had been designated a Hospital Corpsman from the moment I enlisted. I thought I had joined the Navy and would be on a ship? Hospital Corpsman 1961 to 1974. Some of my best friends are Jarheads to this day.

  • puglianana

    I understand that Harry Reed’s son wants this land. What does that tell you.. I am very disappointed w/Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. They have fallen into this trap of dividing the people. We need to stand together to fight what the government is trying to do. It is a Hitler’s tactic if ever I saw one. People can’t let remarks divide us. You know even married couples don’t always see eye to eye. Overlook some of this media interpretation and let them hang themselves. Let’s pull together and we will overcome. God Bless America

  • Pam E.

    Thank you sir for your comments. I too understood what Mr. Bundy was saying. He didn’t say it very pretty but I understood where he was coming from. Thank you very much for your service to our country

  • Saltporkdoc

    This is an example of why I love MY Marines (former Devil Doc here)!
    This is also why Obama is trying (and apparently succeeding) to gut the military.He knows they see through HIS bowl chit!
    Hoorah Gyrene, Hoorah!

    • Clint

      I wondered about that unusual moniker. I’m beginning to understand. I am a former Hospital Corpsman myself , 1961 to 1974 . First duty station, Camp Pendleton, Ca.

      • Saltporkdoc

        Salt = sailor; Pork = pig= 1970′s cop; Doc = Corpsman, all of ehich are legitimately on my resume.
        I was senior Corpsman for Echo Company 2/6/2 1968 to early 69 then TDY’d to Camp LeJeune Naval Hospital as senior Corpsman in the O.R.
        Boot Camp and Corps school was at Great Lakes and O.R. Tech School at Bethesda, NNMC.
        Active duty dates 01/1966 to 10/1969.
        There’s actually a bit more on my resume, but none is as interesting.

        Semper Remedius

        • Clint

          From Camp Pendleton I went to Hospital Corps School at the Grey Ghost in San Diego, Ca., I was sent to Portsmouth Naval Hospital in Portsmouth, Va. On Re-up I went to Aerospace Medicine School in Pensacola, Fl. and the rest of my service was with Marine squadrons as well as Navy squadrons both in Westpac and Atlantic, on ship and on shore. Like you I have a few other little ditties that ain’t worth talking about, and if I did, it would seem like bragging, and I would never do that. Semper Fidelis Doc, and thanks for your service.

  • Renee Nal

    Thank you for reporting this. Here is another character assessment from Cliven Bundy’s bodyguard: “Ever since I’ve been here he’s treated me with nothing but hospitality. He’s pretty much treated me like his own family.”

    http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/04/26/the-new-york-times-turns-tabloid-and-how-context-matters/

    • hank_MO

      I would be willing to bet that Mr. Bundy is a charitable, hospitable and gracious old gentleman without the least bit of animosity toward black people or any other group. Unfortunately, he is a subject of his era, and his example from that era has gained him the criticism and disdain of those who have no tolerance, sympathy or understanding of him. I’m sure that he’s a good, decent man who meant no harm to anyone, and regardless of his politically incorrectness in modern society, his position with regard to the government and the law should not be affected.

  • Dale Hogue

    Reread the article, then read what the posters have to say about the subject matter.
    When you’ve digested what has been written, write your own post giving your own opinion. This word “racist” is scaring the hell out of most all Americans. Why? I
    have no idea why, but it’s certainly being overused and/or misused too often to suit me. I am white as you can see by my picture, but that doesn’t mean that my opinion about the problems of Black people in the United States is corrupted or racist simply because I might make a reference to slavery. Most every slave owner in the Southern
    part of the then United States was a white or black member of the Democratic Party prior to the War Between The States. Some slave owners in the Northern part of the Union were also Democrats. The Southerners wanted to continue owning slaves while many of the Northerners changed their party affiliation to the newly formed Republican Party and all of them freed their slaves. There are Democrats in today’s Democratic Party who still are fighting The War Between The States. They refuse to let go of their beliefs, no matter how racist it make them look. Yes, there are racists out there in our fifty states, but nearly ALL of them belong to the Democratic Party
    regardless of what Obama has to say on the subject.

    • Russ

      Wrong.
      BOTH parties became corrupted by it after Nixon’s Southern Strategem.
      Deal with it and own it or be a partisan hack. Your choice.

    • hank_MO

      In case you hadn’t noticed, Dale, Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder are two of the worst racists and, in my opinion, are largely responsible for a great deal of the racial hostility and divisiveness we are now experiencing. They have taken the opportunity they had to truly unite the people and the races and used that opportunity to inflame tensions rather than mollify them. Since the 1960′s, those tensions have never been worse, in my opinion.

  • Clint

    As a southerner, it is getting quite annoying being accused by people who don’t have a clue about the south and southerners, intimating that each and every one of us with white skin are racists. I went to a Mexican restaurant tonight in Ozark, Alabama (the heart of the south, just 60 or so miles south of Montgomery, Alabama) and as I was entering there was a young couple leaving the restaurant. The lovely young lady was in front so I greeted them and held the door for them to exit. What was my motive? They were black and I am Caucasian, sort of pinkish white with freckles really. They were in their 20′s I am guessing, and I am knocking on the door of 70. So, what was my motive? It’s really pretty simple and mundane. My forefathers taught me to always hold the door for a lady and be courteous. It had absolutely nothing to do with skin color or age. It had everything to do with honoring my forefathers and the raising I received and just being an American Gentleman. It didn’t cost me a thing, and actually I gained from the experience. You can too, learn to be an American, not black, not white or any other shade, simply an American who respects other Americans.

    • Russ

      Being a gentleman for a lady is a FAR cry from stating that “negroes” were better off as property than free.

    • hank_MO

      Clint, you ignorant, white, Southern bigot, you are a tribute to our nation!

  • juniper

    If he is not a rascist then fine…but he needs to stop talking like that.Please advise Mr. Bundy, that black people don’t like being called those names and then we should all be okay …but please it is important to let him know that!!!

    • Clint

      Why would you or any thinking person assume that someone is racist by just a few words. Sounds like projection to me.

      • juniper

        All, I am saying is that he needs to refer to black people in a way that does not offend respectable black people.That is all, and if he does not know that, then someone needs to tell him.

        • hank_MO

          Juniper, you’re talking about an old man who has led an isolated life tending his cattle in the desert. He probably hadn’t SEEN a black person in twenty years until one showed up at his ranch to support his cause. He is subject to his upbringing the same as you are, and his speech references were perfectly legitimate for his era. He wouldn’t have a clue what you’re talking about and, once this problem is resolved, he’ll likely never have another occasion to be the least bit concerned over what the speech police think is politically correct and proper. Given his age and occupation, do you really think he should suddenly go back to school to learn how some little wannabe tyrant in NY or CA thinks he should talk? If he used the worst possible reference to black people or any other group, it might turn people against him, but should he not still be equal before government and the law to ANY OTHER CITIZEN? You’re a fool if you think he shouldn’t be. His cause remains the same as it was before he opened his mouth, whether that be right or wrong.

        • Clint

          I fully understand your point, but, would you like to have your life and personal character judged by one instance where you spoke without thinking clearly first and hindsight tells you that your choice of words could have been chosen more wisely. I for one would not. Hindsight most often points out our mistakes only after the fact. That’s why it is called hindsight. We all know that the liberal media love “gotcha’s”, as long it is on someone they don’t agree with, especially conservatives. Remember not long ago when the media jumped on and inflated every word that came from the mouth of anyone in the Palin family, from family friends and anyone, living or dead whom the media could quote. I will surely take the word of any military veteran over any media personality, including those of Fox News even though I turn to Fox for the news.

      • Russ

        Words convey intention, purpose and intent.
        His intention, purpose and intent were to make the claim that “the Negro” was better off as a piece of property than as a free person on public assistance.
        That’s racist.

    • nifongnation

      What is wrong with cotton picking ? It is an honest days work. Obama should be required to do it rather than play golf.

      • mjw1952

        Better off slaves.

        • nifongnation

          We all are in USA, on one side of the equation or the other.

      • Russ

        Not as a slave it isn’t.

        • nifongnation

          We in USA are all slaves, some slaves working to feed non workers, and the non workers slaves to the government that extorts the workers to feed them.

      • JoseCuervo

        You are an idiot.and obviously by your comments just like Mrbundy.. thanks for saying Obama likes to play golf…. so did Bush. And Bush played a whole lot more of it considering he spent 1,020 days of his Presidency on vacation, that is 33% of his presidency… I know you probably suck at math. Bush hold the title of Vacation king. Obama with just under 100 days of vacation so far..would have to serve 8 terms just to catch up to him.

        now watch this drive
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCm9788Tb5g

        • nifongnation

          Reagan and Bush would go home and cut brush, not fly all over the world in huge planes having lavish parties on the taxpayer dime. Oh, Michele does the same.
          I doubt your facts; perhaps you watch CNN and are ashamed that your people are all over Los Angeles running it bankrupt, with simians pooping out little burrito’s with unknown father’s , like squids in heat.
          Bush did not work like Reagan, but he earned a check and paid taxes on his work. Obama never earned a check in his life, unless you count the graft he received in Chicago with his mafia buddies.
          No , I am not the idiot, but I am a citizen , and you must have come from TJ by swimming the river and picking up worms that have obviously entered you grey matter and dined for many years, leaving behind detritus that is no better than Obama.

        • nifongnation

          You must receive your news from CNN as well as your supposed fact. Are you one of those illegal beaner burritos squirted out in LA by simians likened to squids dropping eggs, making LA bankrupt ?
          Obama has never worked or been paid as an employee of any private company. He did receive other peoples money as a senator in Chicago, but that is not stoop labor like picking cotton. I have worked in vineyard maintenance and used shovels in mud and with cement, and I can tell you, those types of jobs must be required of all communist congressmen and white house employees, including the lesbians and snot noses like Carney the circus boy.
          In fact , all government bureaucrats must be required to do at least 5 years of stoop labor before allowing them to vote with the illegals that Obama wants voting.

          • JoseCuervo

            When ignorant folks like you want to advertise their ignorance, you don’t really have to
            do anything, you just let them talk.

            I was born and breed in Brooklyn as the last 4 generations of my family. I don’t have a drop of latino blood in my body. keep talking, the more foolish you sound.

            “Are you one of those illegal beaner burritos squirted out in LA by
            simians likened to squids dropping eggs, making LA bankrupt ?”

            Keep talking that racist talk. keep proving my point.

  • icemancold

    WELL: For all those out there who may think that icemancold is RACIST here is a NEWS FLASH FOR YALL. I am not RACIST !! I am an equal oppertunity hater it does not matter if you is WHITE,BLACK,YELLOW,RED,BROWN, PINK AND PURPLE,YELLOW WITH GREEN STRIPES,OR BLUE AND RED. Give me reason and I will hate ya. now that is done THERE WAS NOTHING RACIST IN BUNDYS STATEMENT HE WAS SAYING ARE THE BLACKS ON WELFARE BETTER OFF THAN THE SLAVES PICKING COTTON?. Those on welfare have no family life because the sons are either in jail or dead, the girls are either pregnant had or are having abortions and either the mother or father is not in the home. when they were picking cotton they had family they worked in the garden,with the cows or horses and both parents were in the home. HOW MANY BLACKS ON WELFARE LIVE IN SINGLE PARENT HOMES.!!

    • Russ

      I made a reply but evidently the language was too strong.
      You sir are an idiot, a hatriot, and someone who desperately needs to be Gibbslapped repeatedly.

    • JoseCuervo

      Families on welfare are not raped, hurt, beaten, forced to work, given scraps for food. You gotta love how Racist always start a sentence saying.. I am not a racist.. then they go in a racist rant.

      HOW MANY WHITE ON WELFARE LIVE IN A SINGLE PARENT HOME? Go look around your local trailer park or redneck hillbilly town. Can’t fix stupid.

  • nifongnation

    Good man.

  • http://drudgereport.com/ Myles Standish

    Where to people get off telling others how to talk and what opinions to hold and how to express themselves?!?
    How in the heck does the scab of racism ever fully heal if people are forever picking at it and constantly making mountains out of mole hills, and in too many cases making mountains out of thin air?!?
    All those Hollywood futuristic films of the 70′s and 80′s, which seemed so utterly and completely absurd at the time, are in fact coming true. Thought police and speech police are everywhere — ready and anxious to pounce on and destroy anyone who they believe doesn’t think or talk “correctly”…..as in “politically correctly”!
    Again, where do these people get off imposing their list of things that are “okay” to say and think, on others?!? Turn the tables, and guess who’d be screaming FOUL the loudest?!?
    I have an idea: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS! It is not YOUR business who or what I happen to like or dislike — just like it’s not MY business who or what YOU like or dislike. If I happen to dislike dark-skinned people (which I DON’T BTW!), that’s MY business, and not yours or anybody else’s! If you happen to dislike light-skinned people, that’s YOUR business, not mine or anybody else’s!
    DON’T presume to tell me what I can like or dislike, or what I can say or how I can say it! IF we have freedom of speech (or what’s left of it), than it goes without saying that people have freedom of thought and mind, and nowhere does it say that they must keep their thoughts to themselves, or that it’s illegal to use certain words. That would truly be absurd!

    • mjw1952

      No need is telling people what to think. But if you make racist comments we can classify them as such. The problem with the right is they always want to say whAtever they want without the consequences.

      • Doc

        Yeah funny that… stupid rule… danged 1st Ammendment… Oh… Looky Hear… your exercising it too…. Irony….now go troll somewhere else…

        • mjw1952

          Again, no one is saying you can’t speak your mind. But we can also say that we think what you are saying is racist.

          • Doc

            Seriously, Racist… thats the catch all isn’t it, when you can’t win an argument on it merits, when you can’t counter an argument with logical facts or proof, just pull out the race card, well MJ, that card doesn’t trump anything anymore, its been overplayed and as a consequence is now ignored, sad really because where there is real racism its not given its due recognition because simpletons have reduced it to another bland whining point.

            Its so ironic that you and your ilk are only too happy to pull the ‘Race’ card as long of course as its a ‘white’ crime, Jesus we now even have ‘white hispanics’ gotta get that ‘white’ in there, funny though I never see you up in arms protesting if ‘La Raza’ or the ‘New Black Panthers’ are being racist, I never see you standing up to the likes of Al Sharpton when he stirs the pot about patently false wrongs that on investigation turn out to be not only false but literally criminal defamations of peoples character.
            You see MJ if your going to play the race card then my friend you had better play it across the board. Until such times no one is listening anymore, no one cares, in fact folks are now telling you and you’re friends to shove it where the sun don’t shine.

            People are waking up in this country, waking up to the fraud perpetrated by con men and not just lying democrats but lying republicans too.

            We the people have had it, so remain in your land of unicorns and fairy farts the rest of us will stick with the real world and watch happily as all you and your’s house of cards collapse and be recognized for the utter shite that it always was.

          • mjw1952

            First of all, my friend, you don’t know me, so how do you know who I do and do not call out. Second, it’s not a race “card.” If a black person says whites would be better off as slaves, would you call that racist? The real holder of the race “card” are the white people who think anyone who doesn’t hate blacks are racist against whites. Like it has to be either/or. In 1987 tawana Brawley told Sharpton she was raped, and he believed her. You cannot fault him for that.What other patently false charges has he made? LaRaza is a civil rights organization helping Hispanics. Please explain what they have done to offend you. The NEW Black Panther Party is a racist group, and has been condemne by the original BPP. And it’s numbers are very small. Not nearly as large as the KKK, neo-nazi and other white racist groups. You are right, we are not the progressive country we thought we were when Obama was elected 6 years ago. Since then the increase of white racist group has increased hundreds of times.

          • Doc

            Get over yourself, your not that bright, Bundy wasn’t being racist at all, he was making a comparison of the slave days back before the civil war to black people being slaves to the democratic plantation or welfare today, yeah is not well educated or articulate, so what, even the Black Panthers are supporting him, look it up, they agree with his premise about our government become more tyrannical as each day passes.
            Everything I posted is factual, just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn’t mean its not true.

            “We have an aging white America… They are dying… We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.”
            – Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington and founder of the La Raza Unida political party”

            And what about MEChA,

            “In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. … Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. … We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”
            “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”

            This sounds like some fringe group does it not, well unfortunately for you and your fellow travellers its not, this is coming straight from the official MEChA sites at Georgetown University, the University of Texas, UCLA, University of Michigan, University of Colorado, University of Oregon, and many other colleges and universities around the country, and here’s the final piece, this should chill even your bones. The final plan for the La Raza movement includes the ethnic cleansing of Americans of European, African, and Asian descent out of “Aztlan.

            Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge’s MEChA chapter has been quoted as saying: “The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing would commence: Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled — opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep power.”

            As I said earlier there is racism, but its not only idiot whites, its all races, when you acknowledge that and work just as hard to stop ‘All’ Racism then maybe we will have something to talk about.

      • hank_MO

        Who are “we”, clown? And even if you do “classify them as such”, so what? There’s a whole lot of us out here who don’t give a tinker’s damn about your classification or you, for that matter. Regardless if Bundy is a bona fide racist, which I don’t believe he is, how does that change the fact that the federal government invaded his ranch with armed agents and snipers, rustled and killed his cattle, willfully destroyed his property and attempted to confine his freedom of speech rights to some tiny spot designated by them?

        Get a brain, would ya? And mind your own business– you’ll have more than you can handle, I’m sure.

    • Russ

      You have freedom of speech. That does NOT give you freedom from the consequences and repercussions of that speech. It just means you can’t go to jail for it.

    • JoseCuervo

      Gotta love when they throw the 1st but they don’t know what it actually means. the 1st protects you from government persecution. That is all. You still have to face the consequences from the media or your peers.

  • welcometo1984

    Sorry Bundy now RECOGNIZES the US Marines does he? Cause I think you’ll find they’re US government workers whose Commander in Chief is President Obama.
    I’d like to flag up the fact that the good ole US of A is the world’s only hyper power BECAUSE it is federalized.
    Europe has a larger total population and a bigger total ecenomy but it isn’t one country. Had it been so since the US reconstruction era, Imagine it’s power today.

    Idiot Bundy riding on is horse with the Stars and Stripes whilst eschewing the US government I’d like to see little independent Nevada’s place on the world stage.

    • Progressive Republican

      Nice catch on the hypocrisy there.

      • DavidP

        “Nice catch on the hypocrisy there.”

        You may want to sign up for a critical reasoning class if you think that. In order to have hypocrisy, you must have two facts juxtaposed to compare the anomaly.

        Since a tax is not what the BLM charges for each head of cattle, his statement/argument is fallacious on premise. Only legislatures have the power to tax, not bureaucrats sitting in executive branch agencies.

        Moreover, anyone not supporting fees decided by bureaucratic whim and altering long held terms on grazing contracts for transient causes is commendable. Bureaucrats love exercising their petty power, and unless you protest and expose it, they will ride over you without regard of consequences.

        I’m not surprised you overlooked that fact since you are obviously blinded by your obvious love for the ‘Collective’ and ‘Public Good’ over the Individual.

        Lastly, have you squared that notion in your political psyche of you as a entity- over that of your blatent misanthropic existence?

        That Sir, is the true irony and hypocrisy in your prose.

        • Russ

          So legislation that delegates the day to day authority to an agency isn’t valid. But legislation that does the same thing it just did with the delegation is.
          You REALLY need to stop with the circular thinking and double talk.

          • JoseCuervo

            haha yeah Russ , they can never make up their minds. It is quite hilarious. Like Obama, one day he is a commie, another a kenyan, another a socialist, another a muslim. Like a box of chocolates, You never know which Obama you are going to get out of them.

        • hank_MO

          Though somewhat lengthy, your post is right on target, DavidP. I know and have known men like Cliven Bundy all my life; they are the wheels of this nation. Most get their facts a little jumbled when they talk, particularly if they are upset about something (hell, I do, too, for that matter), but they build houses, run farms and ranches, run equipment and dozens of other things that actually produce something as opposed to most of those on here who are condemning him who have probably never gotten their hands dirty at anything except dirty dealing.

          Mr. Bundy is from a different era and has lead a relatively isolated life just tending his cattle. He probably couldn’t even begin to explain what “political correctness” means and, like me, he doesn’t give a damn about it to start with. In today’s world, that leaves you open here and in the media to the castigations of all the sweet little twerps who would have you think they actually know something but obviously don’t. Bundy stepped in it when he used the race example though, in my opinion, he has a legitimate point. He should not have made that point using an example with such a controversial basis, however, because it suddenly provided the twerps with a defense which they did not previously have. “Oh, he’s just an ignorant bigot!” can be used to distract from the point and dismiss him and minimize the real issue which is the abuse of governmental power.

          You made most of the legitimate arguments pertinent here, but there is one point which I feel should be added– Even if Bundy is a die-hard racist– like many in our current administration, for example– he IS STILL of equal standing before government and the law as ANY OTHER CITIZEN including the twerps and wannabe tyrants criticizing him here and on the talk shows. There is a process by which the government collects its fees, taxes, etc., and it should have been followed here. That process does not include invading a ranch with armed agents and snipers and establishing “Free First Amendment” areas, rustling and killing of cattle and the wilful destruction of private property.

          As for those who suddenly claim that they’ve suffered injury due to their ownership interest in this “public” land, I say baloney. If they were so concerned about cows trespassing on it, why didn’t they fence and post it? My bet is that few, if any of them, have ever even fenced a dog pound, much less thousands of acres of desert land. Where I live, you can’t prosecute someone for trespassing on your land unless you have it fenced and posted. I rather think that’s not been the case here, with the exception, of course, of the “Free First Amendment” areas!

          I agree with you, DavidP– it’s high time the citizens of this nation rein in this government and bring it back to the function for which it was designed– the servant, not the master, of its citizenry. We could start by introducing Harry Reid to the inside of a prison cell, preferably in a desert location somewhere.

        • Progressive Republican

          So you’re telling me that Bundy riding around waving the American flag while disavowing the legitimacy of the country that flag represents isn’t hypocrisy?

          You may want to sign up for a critical reasoning class if you think that as I have two facts juxtaposed to compare the anomaly.

          Why do you conflate Bundy’s grazing fees with a tax?

          Moreover, anyone not supporting fees decided by bureaucratic whim and altering long held terms on grazing contracts for transient causes is commendable.

          So you’re good with the Shays and Whiskey Rebellions?

          Even if his ancestors did work the land (and we only have his word that they did), as of the passage of the Taylor Act in 1934 they would have had to pay grazing fees.

          And it was never private land as some have alleged. The parcel that Bundy is trespassing on has been owned by the U.S. government ever since it was purchased and/or won from Mexico or Spain.

          This fails to meet your “…fees decided by bureaucratic whim and altering long held terms on grazing contracts for transient causes…” complaint.

          When that individual goes off half-cocked and unilaterally decides to use my land without my permission (it’s your land too. Did he ask you permission?) then those in my employ, (re: the BLM officials in this case) are right to enforce the law in regards to the matter at hand.

          Bundy claims he has rights to the land because his ancestors worked the land prior to formation of BLM. The, well, a problem with this claim of his is that he’s notoriously dishonest. Ask his neighbors.

          And finally, learn to use your spell-check or it’s equivalent.

          Which then leads to the question, have you squared that notion in your political psyche of you as an entity- over that of your clear, obvious, and blatantly misanthropic existence?

          That is the true irony and hypocrisy in your attempt at prose.

    • Jacqueline Lynn

      A “Commander in Chief” who never SERVED A DAY! A CiC who has openly belittled the history of America’s Military efforts through the ages! A CiC who is driving out top ranking Patriotic officers to be replaced with those who accepted “I will fire on Americans civilians if so ordered!” A CiC who has weakened our Land and Sea and Air forces! A CiC who allowed Military benefits to be reduced by granting such benefits to Illegal Aliens! THAT Commander in Chief who is reducing us to second class status in the eyes of the world! THAT is what you want to tout?! Welcome to 2014!

      • welcometo1984

        Since when has that worried Republicans with their chicken hawk presidential offerings??
        Point being, as you have so CLUMSILY attempted to avoid, is that federal tax and federal wealth PAYS for that US military whose protections you so enjoy.

        So Bundy’s avoiding paying federal tax but loves the military. LMAO.

        • DavidP

          You obviously have little grasp of our Federal system and the U.S. Constitution that enumerates certain specific duties of the Federal government (such as common defense). Moreover, it is not a ‘hypocrisy’ to fight for individual freedom (even against a militant Federal bureaucracy), quite the opposite.

          The true irony here is that each of you who promote and sanction this unnecessary and politically motivated militant response by the BLM by your simpleton rhetoric had better remember one thing: that which you promote, as individuals, each of you are subject to this same harsh treatment if you dare speak out, resist, or protest the very thing you that would enslave YOU, the Individual. You are promoting UNBRIDLED FEDERAL POWER. Think those so called ‘Free Speech Zones’ were put up by accident?

          This Federal power must be kept in check, lest we all become its slave.

          How is it that you refuse to see that? this isn’t about cows munching on grass. It’s about Federal power, plain and simple.

          I have watched this entire situation and the Fed cheerleaders castigate, obfuscate, and denigrate your fellow citizens in favor of a system that has grown exponentially dangerous in power, which is the power to murder you and your fellow citizens, all for the sake of what? Some trespass infraction?

          Or is it that you feel safe? From what? Anarchy?

          I submit to you that showing up with 200 dudes with guns and dogs is anarchy, not some cows munching on grass.

          Sadly, it is the goal of all petty tyrants (folks like the Fed cheerleaders) and systematic ‘Statists’, to ‘feel’ safe at any cost.

          Newsflash: the more you insist they punish, the less safe you, as an individual, actually are.

          After all, the spark to all this is a man saying ‘No’ coupled with some cows munching on grass.

          Are you sure you want to murder a man for that?

          The ‘State’, (The government) you are pushing to punish and potentially murder one man who claims the system is wrong, is over some cows munching on some grass in an area you will likely never visit, never care about, nor have you ever cared about, and likely never will. those of your ilk have screamed at the top of you lungs that land he’s grazing on is YOURS.

          Can you show anyone your name on a title? Additionally, if it’s yours, can you sell it? Can you take the money and buy yourself something with it?

          No you cannot. Why? Because it isn’t yours. Only Congress is entitled to sell it. When was the last time you got a check in the mail for your gas and oil rights they sold?

          That’s right, never. That’s because your claim to that land is as baseless and bogus as your entire rant and argument.

          but for the sake of argument, let’s pretend it is: would you think it a death sentence for a guy to let his cows graze on your grass? Seriously folks, ask yourself, is it a death penalty?

          Fact: guys showing up with guns to confiscate your cattle is the threat of death if you interfere. Doesn’t matter who or what they are.

          What you refuse to acknowledge is the nature of all government, the power to deliver the death penalty if you refuse or say ‘no’. It doesn’t matter how many steps are in between, death is the eventual result.

          Or are you and your ilk the real ‘tool’ in all this? The media manipulation and outright lies stated by the BLM to which you fall prey for and are the vehicle of justification to those in power they use to rile you up over cows munching on grass?

          No, your prose reveals that this is more about your blood thirst as a human being, and that, in and of itself, is the very irony you support, what those in the power use to extract your compliance, subjugation, and your eventual slavery to.

          If you do so, you’re a tool, a slave to manipulation when you don’t question edicts from nameless faceless bureaucrats in some far off place to which they claim, the of ‘rule of law’.

          Have you no idea what administrative law is -vs- criminal law?

          Or do you justify your blood thirst based on who can scream the loudest? Whatever happened to your innate desire to survive as a human being?

          Our Constitution did not set up a ‘democracy’ for good reason. It forbids the government for taking anything (including your life) without just cause or compensation. It instead was fashioned as a Representative Republic because they saw the inherent evil in men as a group to do evil.

          If you think otherwise, it’s probably because you listened to the same nonsense that you parrot by your Socialist government teachers. Democracy, Democratic, Democrats- it all means the loss of the importance of the individual; that is unless you’re the one calling the shots (like Harry Reid), and then you have maximum freedom to do what you wish to anyone, anywhere.

          I would suggest you and the individual screen named ‘Progressive Republican’ keep that in mind when you are slinging your asinine statements about as if you’re actually outraged by some personal affront.

          You’re not, you’re a tool of propagandists and that is obvious to those who have eyes.

          So put your tin foil hats away, put down your Marx writings and stop being apparatchiks for a system that doesn’t give a damn about you- any more than it does Cliven Bundy.

          The real issue at stake here is why didn’t the Feds simply attach a lien to his ‘real’ property, and not to his personal property?

          If any of you cheerleaders for the Feds were actually honest, you’d answer that question instead of all this political ‘chaff’ you bandy about.

          • Russ

            If the Federal government does what you want, good.
            If the Federal government does what you don’t want, shoot them.
            Nice philosophy. History doesn’t favor it. It favors more intelligent solutions. But then again, that’s a stretch for most Hatriots.

          • JoseCuervo

            Please get familiar with the Nevada Constitution.

          • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

            Sure….as soon as YOU get familiar with the U.S. Constitution.

          • JoseCuervo

            you wouldn’t understand the US Constitution if it hits you in the face.

        • iitywybad

          You don’t have any knowledge of the truth. Cliven Bundy HAS paid his taxes – the only dispute is to whom he should pay the grazing fees, but as is true with all liberals, your mind is made up so we should not confuse you with facts.

          • Russ

            Funny how he seems to be the only rancher in the area who’s confused on this issue. The Cattlemen’s Association of Nevada has done everything they can to distance themselves from Bundy and his crazy rhetoric.
            The State of Nev. has said that they have told him he has to pay it.
            Everyone except the hatriots keep telling this man he’s wrong.
            Why? Because he is wrong.

          • iitywybad

            Another one heard from.

      • welcometo1984

        Up-vote yourself.

      • Jim

        Since WWII, has the US actually won a single military campaign? (Grenada doesn’t count.) Face it: we’re just crappy fighters. Lost dozens since then by my count.

        • Russ

          We did kinda well in Korea (even though, technically, it’s still going on)
          The reason we keep getting our buts handed to us is that the politicians stay in the game after the diplomacy has failed. When you do to war, the CiC steps back to take care of the big picture and lets’ the generals and military do what they do best.
          That hasn’t been happening and THAT’S why we keep losing.

        • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

          You’re either incredibly ignorant or just a troll. Which is it?

          In Vietnam, aka the Democrats’ War, the U.S. never lost a single major battle. Not one. If it wasn’t for the Democrats micro-managing the war, and refusing to allow the military to do more than defend land, we would have won it. As it is we did not “lose” that war, we abandoned it.

          I’ll bet you’re a pimple-faced sissy who gets chased home from school by bullies and resents the alpha males who serve in the military.

      • JoseCuervo

        Uhm.. last time I checked it was the GOP vote reduced benefits for our soldiers. Voting to reduce Snap benefits that impact directly our veterans. Last time I checked , under Bush the US was a laughingstock. Guy couldn’t even open a door for christsake.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MtqYdnzSe8

        “I will fire on Americans civilians if so ordered!”
        That was proven as not true, why do you people believe every conspiracy theory and every meme?
        http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/citizens.asp
        WHY DO YOU PEOPLE NEED TO LIE????????????????

        Why don’t you talk about the fact that the GOP wants to deport the spouses of US military personel?

        A commander in chief that never serves a day he says….. so neither
        the ones on the list below, . your point is flawed.

        John Adams
        John Quincy Adams
        Martin Van Buren
        Millard Fillmore
        Grover Cleveland
        William Howard Taft
        Woodrow Wilson
        Warren G. Harding
        Calvin Coolidge
        Herbert Hoover (Served in a private (civilian) humanitarian capacity in Europe during World War I. He was involved in the Battle of Tientsin during the Boxer Rebellion as a guide for US Marines.)
        Franklin D. Roosevelt
        William Jefferson Clinton

        Ten other Presidents served in some military unit but saw no action:

        Jefferson (“Like other Virginia gentlemen, he had militia duties, and did administrative work”)
        Madison (Same, though a few sources list him as briefly seeing combat)
        Johnson( served as military governor of Tennessee . )
        Arthur (served admirably as high-ranking supply officer on home front during Civil War
        Polk (state militia officer )
        Lincoln (spent a time burying dead during the Black Hawk War)
        Fillmore (too old to fight served on home front during Civil War)
        Carter (Annapolis graduate and on active duty but during peace time.)
        Reagan (volunteered but assigned to a non-combat unit due to poor eyesight)
        George W. Bush (in Texas air national guard went AWOL)

        • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

          http://www.snopes.com/politics

          Ah HAHAHAHAHA!! Only a braindead retard is unfamiliar with the common knowledge that, when it comes to politics, Snopes lies their asses off to favor the left. LOL

          • JoseCuervo

            Yeah that you sure proved your point. Acting like a ninompoop like you have been behaving all day…. please provide video of Obama saying those words. This is a recycled hoax that has been used since 1995.

            but hey.. you geniuses believe the word of a racist it’s really not a big leap you believe every little hoax on the internet.
            How come this source has not come forward? if the source actually exist? because it is BS.

    • Doc

      The American Flag represents and Idea, that of Freedom, not subservience to the gubernmint, its about an idea, Life, ” Liberty ” and the pursuit of happiness, something this gubernment is trying to squash aided and abetted by moron’s like you

  • Progressive Republican

    Bundy’s unedited refrain: “Negroes abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.

    Hmm… no racism there, eh? “Negroes abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton.” So the saving grace for black folk is knowing only how to pick cotton? That would solve these problems? Really? They put them in jail because they didn’t learn to pick cotton?

    Just how does that work? Ya got anything else there? Like maybe the racist drug laws and racial profiling that actually put them in jail?

    And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things…“.Again with the cotton-pickin’ theme. And the outrageousness of saying anyone is better off as a slave? I mean. I realize that a huge reason for racism is ignorance and this is certainly a fine example on display here, but it’s getting a bit redundant now, isn’t it?

    “…or are they better off under government subsidy?” Ah, what irony. He’s criticizing the “negroes” who are on government subsidies, but it’s apparently okay for you and me and the rest of us poor dumb suckers to subsidize feeding his cattle.

    They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.Less freedom? Not having to worry (at least as much) about being beaten/raped/lynched is less freedom? I can’t even pretend to start to get my head around so bizarre a concept. Black people are less free now that they are no longer slaves. Wow. Totally shot off into the realm of [guano]-crazy. I wonder what the climate is like there. Demonstrably false, crazy, head-exploding stuff.

    Then there was his CNN interview wherein he displayed an interestingly tenuous grasp on such apparently arcane concepts as reality, logic, facts, etc..

    Hoo, boy.

    Yup.

    Taken by surprise that people found his opinings on whether black people might be better off as slaves offensive? That’s a mighty sheltered life ya got there old son.

    And he continued that train(wreck) of thought by trying to explain himself/find someone-else-to-blame-’cuz-it-can’t-possibly-be-my-fault-I’m-an-ignorant,-thoughtless-racist, right? Can it?

    So he “logically” concludes that somehow it’s Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s fault because, what? He didn’t finish the job?

    You do realize that said opportunity was denied him by his being assassinated?

    So then he thought that the thing that people found most offensive about what he said was that he used words like “black boys” and “Negroes,” as opposed to the whole “better off as slaves” bit.

    Oof.

    Go figure.

    So, he finally ends by saying, “We need to get over this prejudice stuff.” This puts him in fine “conservative” company since they’re all so upset that people keep calling them racist for doing things like siding with Cliven Bundy, or blaming blacks for their own problems, or (in the case of the Roberts Court) for saying that we live in a post-racial society where we no longer need affirmative action to make sure colleges are diverse and educational opportunities are afforded to all.

    Let’s not do the hard work it takes to make things truly equal between races. Let’s just “get over” this “racism” stuff. Say it’s over, and be done with it. It worked with Vietnam, didn’t it? Declare “Victory” and then beat feet? If we just stop calling racists “racist,” we’re good.

    Ahem.

    Then he goes on Alex Jones’ show and says that since he didn’t say that he’s racist that this means that he isn’t racist. After all there are a plethora of instances where nearly all racists have actually admitted this out loud. To an audience. Because racists always say, “Yeah, I’m racist.

    He was just wondering if real slavery was worse than what he called “welfare slavery.” And he also clarified that real slavery might have been preferable because black people had chickens and gardens and the men worked.

    Well Cliven, progress. Chickens and gardens.

    Ol’ Al pipes up with, “How can people say you don’t want freedom for black people?

    I do want that. That’s what our heavenly father wants and that’s what our founding fathers want and that’s what I want.

    And, let’s remember, Bundy has said he is kind of like the founding fathers.

    Bundy also said that he’s invited “ethnic people” to his parties. Then he says, “There’s a black man on my front yard right now.

    This black man in the front yard was in the “militia” that is “protecting” Bundy from the bad old federal government by puttin’ ther wimmin folk in th’ way.

    How “brave” of them.

    And that black man seems to be “very comfortable” and he is “mingling” with Bundy’s family. And he is armed, all of which is very reassuring.

    • sweetqueen777

      I think Mr. Bundy was using the picking cotton phrase as a euphemism for working for a living. As slaves, they were dependent on the master for everything. How is that different for entire families on welfare??

      • Russ

        Families on welfare are not beaten, raped, sepperated, treated and even killed as possessions.
        next?

      • Progressive Republican

        Had he meant “working fir a living” he’s clever enough to have said that.

        The difference <iviz the welfare?

        Their being beaten, raped, mutilated, murdered, etc. for starters. That and welfare, for the poor, has limits.

        Welfare for the wealthy like ol’ Cliven here? Fewer limits.

    • Mellivora Capensis
      • Russ

        Sometimes Derrick Grayson has some very intelligent things to say. Sometimes he’s full of it and it sounds like he just likes to hear himself talk.
        This is one of the later.

    • Mellivora Capensis

      These MEN seem to get what Bundy was saying…
      Why is it sooo hard for you ???

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk9dzcmiWwI&feature=youtu.be

      • Russ

        Manning? Seriously?
        This is what manning had to say about white women: “It is common knowledge that African men, coming from the continent of Africa—especially for the first time—do diligently seek out white women to have sexual intercourse with. Generally the most noble of white society choose not to intercourse sexually with these men. So it’s usually the trashier ones who make their determinations that they’re going to have sex”
        He’s also attacked anyone who stands up for any black community other than his and CONTINUOUSLY berates black men on his show.
        So, a nutjob condoning a racist because it follows his theocratic fantasy land is your justification? Seriously?

        • JoseCuervo

          it is amazing isn’t it? as if a racist is going to disagree with another racist. And Manning is worst because he hates his own kind. Gotta love when their own links sink them down.

          • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

            “hahaha whatever you say black boy”
            “Whatever you say black boy slave”
            “Black boy”

            I guess you’d be an expert on what a racist would agree with, Mr. Queervo.

          • JoseCuervo

            Yup.. I’m just talking like your hero Clive Bundy slave boy…. maybe he can join the owner or the Clippers in the walk of shame.

      • Progressive Republican

        The Manning Report?

        I got what Bundy was saying.

        Cretinous apologists like Manning?

        *yeesh*

        Go badger someone else.

    • Doc

      Oxy-moron… Progressive Conservative, Yeah right… Troll on down the road with your crap..

      • Progressive Republican

        There was a time when the term “Progressive Republican” wasn’t mutually exclusive.

        Of course, that was before the RINOs came in and [screwed] everything up, but wtfe…

    • iitywybad

      If you think using a lot of words makes you look smart, YOU”RE WRONG!
      You seem to ascribe to the theory that “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull sh*t”.
      You and your ilk are the racists. Maybe you should look the word up in a good dictionary rather than use the definition from the Daily Kos, the Huffington Puffington Post, or MSNBC.
      Republican, my a*s, you’re a paid troll from the DNC.

      • JoseCuervo

        hahaha whatever you say black boy

      • Progressive Republican

        Ah, the old “You-pointing-out-racism-makes-you-the-racist” ploy which flies like a stationary, well, anything.

        I am no Democrat.

    • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

      You must word for the media, You’re very adept at taking words out of context.

      • JoseCuervo

        Right “out of context” sure.. sure whatever helps you sleep at night.

      • Progressive Republican

        No I do not.

        I took nothing out of context.

    • JoseCuervo

      It is refreshing to find another republican like me that is smart and can think for himself. These clowns are an embarrassment to my good old republican party. You broke this down really well and with respect. Just be prepared for the litany of insults and incoherence coming your way

      • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

        “another republican like me”

        Ah AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        Phew! Good one! Keep those knee-slappers coming.

        • JoseCuervo

          Thanks for proving my point.

      • Progressive Republican

        Thank you for the kind words.

        I’d have to lie like a Rethuglicon/Teandertal to disagree with you.

        I’m used to it and expect it.

        Take care.

  • poppygene

    GOD Bless Charlie Delta, and Kevin Jackson too. As much as I respect Sean Hannity, I think he was wrong on this, and just did not have all the facts; something he rails at Democrats for. What will be interesting is if Hannity will admit it, if he sees this by Charlie Delta, and all the other pro Bundy statements by people who saw the entire interview, and all know Cliven is a very poor spokesperson.

  • Peter Field

    Just plain talk with no political agenda. Cowboy like, straight forward and from the hart.

  • freebirds

    I’m prejudice toward pit bulls. Even tho I’m not prejudice toward the whole canine race. Just one or two breeds I fear. I have had 4 negative encounters with pit bulls. I have had maybe 8 good encounters with them as I do service calls. This being said about 50% of them have had a negative impact on me. So every time I do a service call where there is a pit bull present I have my guard up.
    If a black person happens to have his or her guard up because he or she has had some negative experiences with white folks it doesn’t make them wrong. ( is it wrong for them to be prejudice based on past experiences) or even experiences of friends?
    Why might it be wrong to be prejudice if it is the other way around.
    Should I treat all pit bulls as if there a cavalier king Charles spaniel? They are of the same race you know! We as humans must go on living and be prejudice and on guard as we need to be regardless of color

    • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

      I like your analogy. I love so-called “pitbulls” (the American Staffordshire Terrier).

  • For What Its Worth

    Perhaps we can convince this brave marine to run for office before the morons get any stronger! The country needs leaders such as he who can recognize the truth and speak power to it! We need brave men and women who aren’t afraid to buck insane “Political Correctness” that is strangling this once great country and speak honestly, regardless of what the idiots in the Mainstream media push. Soon, as CD said, we will all be slaves if we don’t.

    • pbsambo

      Kudos to him!

    • Mellivora Capensis

      NO !!!
      I have yet to meet a “GOOD MAN” who is also a politician !!!
      Lets keep this Marine “CLEAN” !!!
      LOL

    • Ron Handy

      U are so right. !! The Gov. Is and always will be are biggest problem in America. !!

      • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

        Close. The BIGGEST problem in America is the left wing propaganda machine media. If the media was fair and balanced, people would throw the Marxists out of government.

        • JoseCuervo

          Fair and balance? LMAO.. are you singing the Fox News line?
          Ironic considering the 2nd biggest owner of Fox News is a Sharia loving Muslim, Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal. The same guy that funded the Muslim Mosque in NY that tbags were protesting a few years ago, the one Fox News covered 24/7 thus getting higer ratings making the Prince $$$$$ genious…

          Fair and Balanced… lmao.

          • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

            So, YOU do not think that the American media should report fairlly and be balanced, politically,

            Thanks for revealing yourself as an uber leftist who hates America and wants The People to be subjected to nothing but left wing propaganda.

          • JoseCuervo

            Thats not what i said but obviously you are too mentally unstable to even understand a simple sentence. You keep watching that Sharia Muslim Co -owned Fox News because Al-Waleed Bin Talal said so.

  • sweetqueen777

    This is a real man, who makes up his own mind about what he reads and hears. This alone, makes him smarter than the average bear. Mr. Bundy is simply a product of his times. I meet a lot of older country people, who know that everyone is loved by God, but they have observed certain things about people, and their behaviors. What he was saying was that when you take the handouts, you are the slave of those who provide them. The welfare state is what is holding the “black man down”, not whitey.

    • welcometo1984

      “The black man” there’s the problem right there.
      There are plenty of successful black Americans. Some who hail from wealthy beginnings, some who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps…and government assistance however If you think the race playing field is level save for color and race baiting you are mistaken.

      Take a look at detection of violent crime and homicide against blacks. Far lower detection rates What does that tell people? In certain areas in America If you kill a black man you have a statistical sixty four percent chance of getting away with it. Now people make a bug stink about black in black crime but if those shooters were killing white people at the same rate, the army would’ve been called in by now. The only good n***er is a dead n***er is a major driving factor. Look at the color of the victim not the perp. If white homicide was investigated with such lack of interest then the white body count would be just as high.

      The war on drugs, come on everyone with a functioning brain stem can see marijuana policing is the new Jim Crow. A)White people get stopped less so a they get away with it and B) They enjoy the ‘blind eye’ to hard drugs because their lives will get wrecked much less get brutalized in jail . Poor blacks, hey your life doesn’t count and if you get shanked in jail that’s tough.

      Illegal drug trade has been given to blacks the same way medieval Christians gave the Jews Usury. It’s illegal but it’s going to happen so we’ll push it into your community and YOUR community can be outlawed.

      The two-faced War on Drugs. Nancy Reagan saying “Just say no” whilst Ronnie is allowing the Contra rebels to flood the Port of LA with crack to raise US dollars and launder money sent to them by the US government from arms sales to Iran. Which communities were their agents given clearance to sell into?
      It is dangerous and fallacious to assume black communities have either been left alone or given equal respect as white communities since Civil rights.

      • Doc

        Blah Blah Blah… If you say it over and over and over and over and over maybe someone will believe you…piss off, people are not buying your crap anymore, go back to HuffPo..

        • JoseCuervo

          Yeah Doc.. you are just another racist, just come out and say it..Stop being a pussy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

            “Racist!” “You’re a RACIST!” “RACIST RACIST RACIST!!”

            Regurgitating that word gives you a woody, doesn’t it? LOL

          • JoseCuervo

            Whatever you say black boy slave

        • JoseCuervo

          Don’t call me son.. My father has more sense and decency than people like you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

        Yes, there are plenty of successful black Americans. They are also a great many conservative black Americans who have escaped the white Democrat plantation. And the numbers of both are growing every day as more and more wise up and throw off the shackles of the liberal Democrats.
        And THAT is essentially what Bundy was attempting to say in his poor choice of words.
        Jim Crow, the Ku Klux Klan, fire hoses and attack dogs against demonstrators, the murders of civil rights workers, filibustering the Civil Rights Act, etc. etc. all done by DEMOCRATS.
        The DEMOCRATS are still just as racist today as they’ve been for 150 years. They’re just more subtle about it.
        While the left wing propaganda machine media is brainwashing the shallow and gullible to believe that it’s Republicans who are the racists,

      • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

        “It is dangerous and fallacious to assume black communities have either been left alone or given equal respect as white communities since Civil rights”

        What is “since civil rights”? Blacks were given their civil rights in the 1800s. Are you one of those uneducated boneheads who think the passage of the Civil Rights Act by the Republicans is when blacks were given civil rights? LOL!

        The Civil Rights Act did not bestow even one right. Not one. All it did was ENFORCE the rights that blacks already had in certain areas of the deep South where the DEMOCRATS” Jim Crow laws were still alive and well.

        • welcometo1984

          Strawman argument which betrays your hatred for the fourteenth amendment. It matters not when a law is created if it isn’t enforced…oh right your lot wouldn’t know that.

          • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

            Obviously you’re too uneducated to know that the 14th Amendment was written as part of Reconstruction after the Civil War. It was intended to address issues AT THE TIME and the “citizenship clause” was written solely for the offspring of former slaves.

            In fact, most of the 14th Amendment is now legally vestigial.

            “It matters not when a law is created if it isn’t enforced…oh right your lot wouldn’t know that.”

            You mean like all of our immigration laws that your beloved Messiah is illegally and unConstitutionally ordering ICE not to enforce?

            You mean like Obama arbitrarily changing and delaying Obamacare?

            Maybe you mean like Eric Holder’s refusal to enforce hate crime laws or election fraud laws?

  • DW

    Never mind the documented video evidence of Cliven Bundy’s racism or him doubling down on it with very different words than “I wonder if.” Then again gun nuts will put up with all sorts of abuse so long as they can fondle their guns.

    • Doc

      Listen shitbird, if you watched the whole video not just the edited version by NYT you would see he is indeed not racist, does he lack articulation, probably but your left wing parasites will use any method to further your filthy cause..Why are you even here… go back to your mothers basement..

      • JoseCuervo

        Listen shitpig.. if you watch ALL THE INTERVIEWS maybe it would sink in that this old man is a racist. And the unedited version of that 1st video is as worst and the edited version…. Why is it that conservatives are so dumb and quick to insult everyone.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bf-AxkBp-0

        • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

          Jose Queervo, you left wing douche nozzles screech “RACIST!” like the little boy in the fable screeched “WOLF!” The word has become meaningless.

          Don’t like Obama, but DO like Kevin Johnson, Mia Love, Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, etc.? You’re a racist.

          Diss a group that is NOT EVEN A RACE, such as illegal aliens….you’re a racist.

          Leftists believe that they can stifle debate on an issue by screeching “RACIST!”

          Here’s the REAL modern definition of “racist”: a conservative who is winning an argument with a leftist.

          • JoseCuervo

            Whatever you say black boy

          • raffaelecafagna

            go wash your mouth with soap and water , rinse it with H2Cl ;
            you are a disgrace .

          • JoseCuervo

            And you are a sorry excuse for a human being Rafael.

          • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

            I was thinking H2SO4 would be better.

          • raffaelecafagna

            Indeed ; sulfuric acid does a better job .

          • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

            “black boy”

            I think that adequately proves that YOU are a racist and only come here to stir the pot. In other words, you’re just a troll.

            Worse, your lousy spelling and grammar also proves that you are an uneducated troll. Probably just white trash posting from his mom’s single-wide trailer.

      • welcometo1984

        Right so he had love for Mexican illegal immigrants who have no choice but to work for ranchers for less than minimum wage. How hard working they are. Yup, sure they’d be working the fields 12 hours a day if they had a green card, whatever you say.You people are jokes.

        • Doc

          Bollocks you imbecile, no one asked illegal aliens to cross the border and seek work here, they came of their own free will and broke the law in doing so, as for the minimum wage thats a crock too, I have worked alongside illegals and they got paid the same as myself so spare me your left wing tripe, if it wasn’t for ‘I never had sex with that woman’ Clinton signing the NAFTA deal they would probably not have had to leave their homes, but you’re boy was in the pockets of the corporations and couldn’t give a shite about anyone but himself.
          So please spare me you gibberish, time and time again you have been proven wrong, which to me shows how stupid the left wing are, the republicans and democrats are two sides of the same coin and you are their useful idiots, wake up and and take a whiff of reality.

    • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

      Nice way to admit to being a shallow, media-brainwashed chump.
      We’ll fondle our FIREARMS while you fondle your GUN.

      • raffaelecafagna

        very well explained ; we have liberals , far left , coming here polluting a decent polite conservative site ; JoseCuervo is another example of perverted mentality, DW is next , Jefry Tober is there too. Proof : if you go to DW comment ,you see 1 up by JoseCuervo ; now check JoseCuervo post ( one below ) , it is self explanatory.

        • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

          I’ve noticed all the trolls. Trolls aren’t very bright or original. At best they just regurgitate the talking points they’ve been programmed with by the left wing media.

          • Jerry Hart

            I am disappointed that it didn’t attack religion too.

      • frank907

        This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun. Takes an old Marine or soldier to know that one.

      • DW

        Says the guy who slurps up right wing propaganda like he’s sucking it right out of Cliven Bundy’s “gun.” You just admitted to being an ignorant, uneducated, uninformed piece of trash. Congratulations.

  • Mellivora Capensis

    Thank you Marine !!!
    (For your insight and your SERVICE !!!)

    I have said the same thing for years what Mr. Bundy said, and people have called me racist too…
    I even added in the white trash trailer park folk…

    Semper Fi !!!

  • cornbread01

    Semper Fi & Semper Paratus!! We desperately need more Americans of ALL colors who know & speak the hard, cold truths, withheld & obfuscated by “educated” liberals & their indoctrinated slaves.

  • Ron Handy

    Lets face it. !! We are in a total funk in America . !! There just isn’t enough people who can see the forest from the trees.

    • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

      The left wing propaganda machine media works 24/7 to camoflage the forest.

  • waferballs

    Setting the record straight, and he’s a marine!

  • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

    “For my part, I say to the Left, shove Clive Bundy’s statement up your Harry Reids!”

    LOVE it!!! This is a TRUE American! Semper Fi!

    • JoseCuervo

      Alledged Marine. I want to see his birth certificate and his papers. Hooah!

      • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

        “Alledged”

        I want to see your 6th grade English grades.

        • Jerry Hart

          I think it was more of a crack at 0bama’s sealed records and sarcasm.

  • Jefry Tober

    The Bundy family once had a cotton gin around Bunkerville, Nevada which helps to explain, ” the blacks were not taught how to pick cotton”. This is evidenced by a family plaque in Mesquite, Nevada.

    • Chandie Bartell

      Stop it!

      The federal government broke the law in 1993 when they ignored NEPA to list a “species” to regulate ranchers out of business by stealing their grazing and water rights on BLM land that came with the purchase of their land, when the owners purchased those rights. The BLM under NEPA is required by law to coordinate with the County when they are going to attempt to make any changes that will effect the Custom, Culture, and Heritage of the citizens in that County.

      This land issue has been going on since 1992 when the U.S. signed the International Treaty at Rio da Janero at the first Earth Summit to quietly replace our United States Constitution.

      The BLM broke the NEPA law by ignoring it in 1993.

      The question to ask is why did the BLM ignore NEPA?

      Why did 52 ranchers that are neighbors of Cliven Bundy go out of business when they paid their grazing fees in Clark County?

      Why did the BLM organize a paramilitary operation under the most powerful puppet masters in the United States Government, one third to the President Senator Spokesman Harry Reid?

      Most important that involves you, Why did the Federal Government under Harry Reid and Holder and the Media label Cliven Bundy a racist?

      • Jefry Tober

        The Levitts(sp) (Bundy) were farmers. The brought a cotton gin in. I guess they didn’t hire blacks to pick cotton or operate the cotton gin. They (Bundy’s) have no record of grazing the area beyond farm animals.

        Prove it to American people and your government that you despise.

        Bundy blew it Clark County holds the allotment now. Game over.

        had Bundy kept the lease and accepted the terms he could have then fought it legally AND he could have built his case to the American public and sympathetic legislators could have acted to his benefit.

        You are A Mormon. Do you remember the massacre in that area? Mormons pretending as indians murdered white women and children. Your Mormon cult does not have a glorious past AT ALL.

  • houstonpatriot

    Hey Bro ,
    Thanks for standing up for Bundy! I’m Ex-Navy I know the camaraderie that the Marines have! You need to post this on soro’s media matters website! I gave props to Bundy for calling out the dems using the inner city negros for keeping their power. I said that bundy didn’t go far enough and should have mention that the inner city negros need to pull their pants up from their ankles and stop looking like they are someone’s BITCH! I’m hoping this can be a Rosa Parks moment and wake them up and get off the dems plantation and stop killing each other like it’s lunch! Semper Fi!

  • houstonpatriot

    also notice the media isn’t talking about the government land grab of Nevada and the rest of the west! Or the killing of his 2 bulls and destroying water tanks! This a alinsky tactic worked to perfection !!!

    • Jane Yavis

      When do you think Fox News will be interviewing Bundy’ Bill Paying Neighbors??? Notice Bundy had to import women and children to circly his wagons because none of Bumdy’s neighbor Ranchers who are paying their bills are standing up or him.

      • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

        What does anything have to do with Fox News?

        Oh, that’s right, the braindead left have demonized Fox News. They prefer to be brainwashed and indoctrinated with left wing propaganda and lies by MSNBC and CNN. LOL

        • Jane Yavis

          Fox News and Sean Hannity did a good enough job of demonizing their sorry selves when Sean was for Clive and his Freedoms before he was against them. Hey, guys, takte credit when credit is due.

          • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

            Psssst, pinhead, Sean Hannity is not “Fox News.” He has a political ENTERTAINMENT show on Fox.

            Braindead leftists don’t seem to know that Fox NEWS runs from 8 am to 5 pm on the Fox network. They’re not bright enough to differentiate news from entertainment. That’s why so many of them get their “news” from the Comedy Network. LOL

          • Jane Yavis

            PSST – Bobble head, Speaking of not that Bright, Didn’t Rush Linbaugh say Entertinerrs should stay out of politics???
            Wait, next you’ll tell me you never listen to him anyway. Nothing funnier to witness than an outraged Parott. Patriot.

          • Kerry Kolsch

            Anyone who is for jackbooted government thugs pointing guns at civilians over a civil matter is to intellectually flawed to effectively participate in this conversation.. Go away Jane!

          • Jane Yavis

            Would that be “TO” Intellectually Flawed, or “TOO” Intellectually Flawed or “TWO” intellectually flawed. What part of deadbeat Rancher don’t you get? He doesn’t have a single other RANCHER who pays his bills on his side. Speaking of Jack,,,,, maybe that’s what you don’t know when you carry rhetoric like that. “Have you subsidized Rancer Clive today???

      • Chandie Bartell

        They should be interviewing Cliven Bundy’s neighbors as they were forced out of the ranching business by the BLM breaking the NEPA laws. Out of 53 ranchers in Clark County, NV, only one is still in ranching and that is Cliven Bundy. All the other ranches tried to comply with the illegal demands of cutting their AUM’s back clear down to 150 over thousands of acres and were regulated out of business.

        Cliven Bundy’s neighbors were at the stand-off putting their lives in danger and in the direction of potential gun-fire to support Cliven Bundy on April 12th.

        So the question here again is why didn’t Cliven Bundy pay his grazing fee starting in 1998?

        What happened to Cliven Bundy’s 52 neighbors that used to be ranchers when they paid their grazing fees?

        • Jefry Tober

          You take it to court. Environmentalist sue the federal government all the time over NEPA and ESA. Often enough they win against the government.

          What is going on with this! Bundy could have been making his case since 1993! he could have advocated he could have attracted a talented team of lawyers. This is silly and wrong on Bundy’s behalf. States rights are not new. Conservatism is not new. This is not the first iteration of Sagebrush Rebellion and you know that. Americans for Prosperity have a lot of money and they activity put that money out for causes like Bundy’s claim.

          Bundy must be naive and lazy NOT to properly lawyer up. Same as the supposedly 53 ranchers when there are not that many allotments in the controversial Gold Butte area.

          The facts are simple. The population of America has encroached the Mormon promised land. Lake Mead is a recreational area now that wasn’t the case in 1870. This is an issue of overpopulation. Get rid of Reno and Las Vegas and maybe just maybe Bundy can do as he pleases.

          BTW it is well know local support is small, very small. Most of that “gun” support is non local.
          BTW it was 1993, and you still don’t live in the area because you would mention that the allotment was bought in 1998 to facilitate Clark County planning.

        • Jane Yavis

          Cliven Bundy had women and children in the front line. What happened to his neighbors/??? They didn’t want THEIR women and children in the line of fire,,,,,so, the stayed away. Simple as that.

  • Mommamia1

    This is Rwanda redux

    Hatred of the Tutsis (a lighter skinned tribe) by the Hutu (a darker skinned
    tribe) was planted through lies continually promoted through the state
    Hutu-controlled newspaper. Some behind the newspaper also created a leaflet
    picturing a machete with a question, “What should we do to complete the social
    revolution?” They continued to build up suspicion, paranoia, fear, mistrust and
    victimization to a point that it unleashed a satanic fury resulting in the
    deaths and mutilation of 1,170,000 UNARMED men, women, children and infants.
    There were 7 people killed/minute for 100 days.

    The killings were organized nationwide with one killer for every 10 families.
    If a Hutu would not kill a Tutsi he too would be killed. The genocide of the
    Tutsi was well organized with Hutu representatives in each neighborhood. Hutu
    businessmen imported 581,000 machetes to accomplish the slaughter.

    How was such hatred conceived? Organizing, propagandizing, fanning the flames
    of hatred and then the spark: As with all genocides someone is killed. A Hutu
    organizer’s plane was shot down, the state-run propaganda claimed the Tutsis
    had done it though it was struck from a Hutu military camp. That’s all it took
    to start the rivers of blood flowing.

    Organizers of genocide understand human nature and play to its basic lowest
    level. Don’t be fooled. Globalists want this same fullness of hate realized to
    assure their absolute power. Division, deceit and disorder are tools of
    evil. Love, order and Truth are the
    tools of God in Heaven. Choose to defend what is of God.

    • Silvia Dupont

      Thats why god killed evryone and everything on the planet yes that is true love.

    • welcometo1984

      Why was genocide preached from the pulpits of Catholic churches in Rwanda? Was that God’s plan.

  • Jane Yavis

    Clive Bundy may not be a racist, those making excuses for him are.

    • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

      You may not be a retard, but anyone defending your retarded comment is.

      • JoseCuervo

        haywood is just a butthurt blackboy slave

        • http://www.facebook.com/haywood.jablomie.771 Haywood Jamal Jablomie

          Hose A Queervo is just an uneducated white trash troll posting from his mom’s single-wide trailer.

          I see Hose A is defending your comment. I rest my case.

      • Kerry Kolsch

        The word “retard” is not politically correct. I would rather say that Jane is as dumb as a box of rocks and her comment is indefensible.

    • nifongnation

      Eric Holder is the pure racist, and not a racialist.

    • Chandie Bartell

      Stop it! The federal government broke the law by ignoring NEPA from the very beginning in 1993. The law was broken by the Federal Government, by using a “species” an animal to attempt to take away rancher’s grazing and water rights of ownership on BLM lands to regulate them out of business.

      The Federal Government succeeded in putting 52 ranchers out of business in Clark County, NV alone. This doesn’t count every county in every state the BLM and USFS have forced ranchers out of business, and to sell their property.

      This isn’t a raciest issue, this is an issue of a corrupt Federal Government involved in a land acquisition agenda to to meet the agreements of the objectives of the annexes of the United Nations Bio-Diversity Treaty, Agenda 21 of Sustainable Development.

      The United Nations Bio-Diversity Treaty was not ratified by Congress, but secretly signed by Clinton with Executive Orders.

      Now how did this all of a sudden become a racist issue and why?????

      • Jefry Tober

        Agenda 21 “legally a non binding statemnet of intent and not a treaty” was signed by President Bush not Clinton.

        The United States is a signatory country to Agenda 21, but because Agenda 21 is a legally non-binding statement of intent and not a treaty, the United States Senate was not required to hold a formal debate or vote on it. It is therefore not considered to be law under Article Six of the United States Constitution. President George Bush was one of the 178 heads of government who signed the final text of the agreement at the Earth Summit in 1992

  • frank907

    Maybe the word SCAM applies here. My questions would be:
    1. Was the desert tortoise a scam to make these lands available for some project that would benefit a few at the cost to many?
    2. Concerning the court findings, was this an honest judge or a crooked political appointee assisting in the scam?
    3. Is the government afraid to go back to court for some reason like potential discovery of illicit activity in the previous court?
    4. Why is it necessary to militarize federal agencies with swat like units? I would not be surprised to see a swat unit in the Department of Educations pre-school unit to control those domestic terroristic 3 year olds. Every alphabet agency seems to have a bunch of wannabes that want to carry guns.

  • Kerry Kolsch

    One of the quickest ways to demonize anyone in this country is to call them a “racist”. Rand Paul backed away from Bundy because he does not have his father’s balls. It is much easier for the politically correct intellectual snobs in this country to identify Bundy as a villain than to take the time to educate themselves about the oppressive, overreaching, unconstitutional actions of the Federal government. Why do we have agencies with military gear taking up arms against American citizens over a civil matter? In spite of Bundy’s outdated vocabulary and naive means of expression, there is a legitimate point to the discussion he started. In the old days we had slavery and it was clearly identified as such. Today we have far more deceptive means of enslaving some people for the benefit of others and we ignore it. Two examples are prison factories and school loans. Our politicians created the War on Drugs to strip us of our Bill of Rights and to incarcerate non violent prison slaves for cheap labor for large corporations. By dumbing down universities and insisting everyone should have a degree no matter how worthless it is, our politicians created a means of enslaving the poor and middle class for the benefit of the bankers with school loans. Back in the day, before the government got involved, a kid could work their way through college. Now they are chained to a costly debt that can not even be discharged in bankruptcy. There are many many more examples of how we are all laves. Bundy’s comments were not artful but I have more disdain for the modern day slave makers in the US congress.

  • Ron O’Neal

    Where the hell did they find this RETARD??? Shame is…they ALWAYS manage to find ONE of them!! Some ignorant knee-grow to uphold their “cause” for them because HE is different from ALL THE OTHER KNEEGROWS!! Kill Yo self!

    • Jerry Hart

      “ONE of them”
      You pathetic piece of crap.

    • Barrustio

      That’s right …..all knee-grows are supposed to be in lock step with the NAACP or you’re an Uncle Tom right? That’s what I call self-imposed slavery.

    • nifongnation

      Spelled negro or negroe. You need education, and Dr. Thomas Sowell and Dr. Walter Williams are on YouTube, if you cannot read, and have written books on the subject at hand, if you can.

    • RetREMF

      After you look up the term ad hom